2019 / 2020 Hyundai Nexo | The Ultimate Unicorn
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Hyundai's Nexo isn't the first hydrogen fuel cell vehicle in America but it is the first H2 car that actually makes sense. It's attractive (IMHO), does up to 380 miles on a tank and has about the same room inside as the average mid-sized gasoline crossover. Of course the "chicken and egg" problem is ever present. There are few H2 cars so there are few H2 stations. There's also the question of how green a hydrogen fuel cell car really is and whether or not a battery electric vehicle is the right direction. Even counting all of that however, I think the Nexo is probably one of the coolest vehicles I've driven and if you live in California, the lease deals are crazy cheap. (And include enough hydrogen to get you 50,000 miles).
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I watch a lot of automotive review channels, but this is one of my favorites. I really appreciate his straight up / "Just the facts Ma'am" delivery, without all the inside jokes, unnecessary theatrics, and the obligatory "buddy banter" that you get on a lot of the other channels.
*Not that there's anything wrong with that!*
Alex is a pro. I, actually, bought a car after his review. Because of facts he brought up
@@forty-second No doubt about it; Alex knows his stuff.
I come here for the cars. The buddy banter and comedy at the other sites is 3rd rate at best.
@@forty-second same here, Dodge Durango.
Alex seriously needs to be nominated for his outstanding work that he contributes to this platform with an award. That Jerk Doug doesn't deserve to have a spot on Carscoops or be a recommendation on this site. Savage Geese is also brilliant.
E M1 couldn’t agree more, Alex for pure information and analysis, savage for the in the shop segment where he looks under the car and his more unfiltered opinion about the design and driving experience.
I would still put Alex on top, but everyone else besides these two really pales in comparison.
@@Ethan7s The others are "fillers" while Motorman is way too verbal and philosophical for such a channel. I refuse to watch Doug, just too weird and a show off with no real content.
@@EM.1. Well Savage just did softcore porn on the Mazda 3's dead pedal, so now he's in the running for first place.
Joking aside, other than Doug, the others are still worth a watch if you like cars and have time on your hands.
And I know he's not trying to be, but somehow Doug just comes off as extremely annoying.
I have a theory that Doug is generating a lot of fake views. There is no way that 500,000 people watch him talk about a Dodge truck in 2 days. There is some techno fakery going on here that is generating him a lot of money.
@@b4804514 Didn't even cross my mind before, but now that you mention it, it does seem fishy!
Dear Alex - thank you for the review on the NEXO - I got mine two months ago and I love it! I leased it for 3 years - and it has pleasantly surprised me. I get much better range than predicted - I am averaging 390 miles range - much more than the predicted 354. Previously I had a Toyota Mirai - which was great but range too short. NEXO is a great overall car and I hope that it will help others interested in H2 autos. Thank you!
I really like the interior. I actually think the vast array of buttons in the central stack is quite appealing.
Feel the same. Buttons are cool and to me less distracting than a screen.
It has a sort of retro-modern StarTrek feel. I like it!
Just really like how you go through everything. As an automotive fan, I really appreciate the work you put in.
You have outdone even yourself Alex!
Thanks for the extra segment on explaining the fuel cell and refilling the hydrogen tank!
You are simply the most informative car reviewer anywhere right now.
Love the sass about those buttons too! :)
Bounced around different auto review channels, this is the best!
Your presentation of the Hyundai Nexo makes me want to buy this car over other EV vehicles because 1. I am close to a hydrogen fuel source, 2. I need a permanent car pool sticker, 3. I need a vehicle with lots of cargo (29.6 ft³, 56.5 ft³ with seat area) which is similar to Mitsubishi Outlander (30.4 ft³, 66.6 ft³ with seat area), 4. the interior looks very nice and buttons are easy to navigate ,5. I hate long charge times (and sometimes hard to find a charging station) and 6. it's a cross -over. Very nice!
Holy Moley. I watch hundreds of reviews... on all kinds of vehicles. That was the best review I have ever seen for any car. Fluid and informative (and fast) as hell, I learned so much about this car and fuel cells I can't believe it was 30 minutes. Went by in a flash. This looks amazing for the price if you live in California, especially L.A. It really offers a lot. I want one. Thank you Alex.
I test drove this car in Los Angeles a couple of days ago, loved it, and was interested in leasing it. My local dealer had no interest in leasing the car at the National advertised rate at $3k down $399 + tax. They wanted $5k down and $699 a month + tax!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Basically they said they were to only dealer in town with these cars and wanted a major mark up. If they actually get over MSRP on this car, It will be the only Hyundai in the history of the company they will get over much less MSRP on any car they have ever made or will ever make.
The first one shipped in February so be patient and it'll come down. Same thing happened to the Clarity.
I think an EV with a big battery and a hydrogen fuel cell as a "range extender" would be really cool. It would be nice having 300 miles of battery range and another 300 miles of hydrogen range.
O.O that'd be great if it was a truck
All difficult to use. What we need is water's hydrogen gas fueled car. Water is plentiful, cheap, and everywhere. Water molecule is H2O and by separating hydrogen gas from oxygen, the combustible hydrogen gas can be used in internal combustion engine.
This is available with the BMW i3.
Having gas back up is more practical than Hydrogen.
@@hassanger8128 A hydrogen range extender is cleaner than a gas one.
I love that idea, man. Just need a green(er) hydrogen grid.
Nice Job. I have one of these Unicorns, and I like it. I didn't own a car for 15 years, and I don't need one really except to get to work on Sunday when the trains start running an hour late for me. I am still learning about the semi-autonomous systems in my Nexo: Forward Collision-avoidance Assist, Blind Spot Collision-avoidance Assist, Rear Cross-traffic Collision-avoidance Assist, Lane Keeping Assist, Lane Following Assist, Driver Attention Warning, Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go, Leading Vehicle Departure Alert, and I'm not kidding about the FCA, BSCA, RCCA, LKA, LFA, DAW, SCC, and LVDA. That's what they call them in the manual. My favorite feature is the Auto Hold, where at a stoplight you don't have to keep your foot on the brake.
Alex is undoubtedly the best car reviewer on RUclips
Glad he reviewed a hydrogen car and seems to me it looks great and could be an alternative if the technology advances
Wow that button cluster looks like it's fresh off 80's stereo equipment
Alex!.. the rest are just fancy bulshitters... Great job and dedication bro!
Another great video, thanks Alex. However, I wish u mentioned something about the process of compressing the Hydrogen and storing it. In my opinion, that is a lot of energy consumed, cost and risk that falls in the Cons column big time.
BUTTONS!!!! BUTTONSSSSSS!!! YES! BRING THE 80s BACK, PLEASE! i miss buttons!!!
I love me some buttons, but that console is c-r-a-z-y.
A definite thank you for the fuel cell explanation and straight delivery. As for fuel cell vehicles vs. EV, I think that isn't much of a question while stations are basically within EV range. The only advantage I see for fuel cell is if you drive a ton of miles every day; if you drive under a couple hundred miles it's far more convenient to just 'fill up' at home.
And if you drive too far in an EV you can still refuel even if it has to be off of a 120V. Sure, it takes a while, but go too far in a fuel cell vehicle and you'll have to be towed. All that could change, though, if fuel cell vehicles take off....and prices for hydrogen come waaay down. The fuel subsidy helps, sure, but I definitely wouldn't buy a fuel cell vehicle when I might have to pay those prices when the subsidy goes away.
From an Alex to another Alex, this was perhaps the best auto review Ive seen. The whole hydrogen concept is awesome. Hyundai seems to have done a great job. Your explanation of the Hydrogen system was excellent. I want one of these things now! Send them to Puerto Rico! Thank you for the video!
It's not for everyone, but no vehicle is. Gotta say, the science is fascinating! Kudos to the early adopters and test pilots
Great review - thanks Alex. I have 3,000 miles on my Nexo Limited. It is a really excellent vehicle, and surpasses the Mirai I leased for 3 years. The Nexo (even in the Limited trim) is getting 370-380 miles of range. My Mirai never got above 260. The Nexo has a lot more space, drives quieter and has a better overall road feel. Plus it is loaded with tech.
I have learned more this time than I've ever learned on any explanation of fuel cells thank you Alec may God continue to bless you
No offense to you Alex or this vehicle manufacturer... but I would choose Honda, or Second Toyota offers based on their normal cars reliability and driving dynamics...and whenever Mr Honda failed..he always found a way to drastically improve far beyond competition.
I have drove ICE cars/trucks for many decades. Recently got a Tesla Model 3. Really liked the simplistic tablet control without all of the dedicated buttons. Also liked the 130 MPGe.
I'm also interested in FCEV and hope to see infrastructure and MPGe improvements. For now BEV is a clear winner.
I really like the interior (about 100x more than a Model 3) and that you can use this as a normal car without any weird compromises.
Great review btw. Best review of the Nexo on RUclips.
Alex: Huge respect for your thoughtful, detailed and largely accurate on the H2 piece here. However, please consider how the H2 industry has long referred to power train configurations as you formulate your comparisons. A vehicle like a Nexo is not properly thought of as a battery EV with a different battery. It is a hybrid, correctly called a "fuel cell hybrid," with a different kind of fuel. One other thought: As you try (and it is hard - I feel you!) comparing the system efficiencies - with pure EV vs H2, you must consider the source of the E in EV (the well part). And, please, self-discharge: in both batteries and H2 tanks. Inactive (not driven for days), the batteries in an EV can reduce efficiency via self-discharge. Disclaimer: This can also be true with some H2 storage schemes (liquid especially, but also high pressure gas and solid metal hydride). All, systems and technologies, including carbon fuels, face these complex and interconnected factors. It makes the head spin faster than those weird rim things that people stick on their wheels! To be clear: I largely agree with your conclusions. I just think the factors I mentioned brings EV real world efficiency (and greenness) down a notch making H2 a closer competitor. When you add in that fueling experience (fast - clean and convenient), the case for H2 is compelling, if still 100% unconvincing. I say that only because of the incredible strides made in very high voltage EV recharging systems. There are really fast/practical systems on the way (Porsche - I'm looking at you!)
Great video, love the vehicle. Also love H2 technology as it provides similar lifestyle to gasoline vehicles. Problem is it will take a LONG time before H2 or EV refilling options are available ubiquitously in middle America/rural areas. There are other concerns as well, but it is really cool to see an actual hydrogen fuel cell vehicle that I'd love to have (Hyundai did a great job on it) - if I could only, just, refill it. LOL But well done sir, thanks for the in-dept explanations and comparisons too.
Great review as always Alex, and you always find the best way to explain the tech and detail the features. Unfortunately, this vehicle makes horrible sense right now in southern CA, because H2 stations are really few and far between and you have to hunt for one that is operational. Many complain that they arrive to a station that is empty or malfunctioning. Also, it should be fair to consider the economics after the fuel card is empty. Fill ups will cost about $90 per! It’s now a new form of range and wallet anxiety. If you drive 1500 miles a month, it will cost you about $400-500 per month to operate. Not the best case scenario and is far more expensive than an ICE or BEV to operate.
Well done Alex... well done to all manufacturers including BMW, Mercedes Benz, Honda, Toyota, for realizing this is important technology.
They should make a plug in hybrid hydrogen version, where you trickle use the hydrogen as needed or for longer trips, and just plug in every night at home to keep the large battery full for basic everyday use.
Nice review! You did a great job explaining this complex topic while keeping it brief and entertaining.
FYI, Tesla is beta testing a new v3 Supercharger that charges a Model 3 at up to 250kW. Charging speed tapers pretty quickly, but it's still a big speed boost. I don't know how it compares to hydrogen fueling speed.
The rear turn signals are orange, not red.
I have owned a fuel cell electric vehicle (Mirai) for 3 years (I have 54,000 trouble free miles on it) and two of my friends drive Nexo's
Wow, do I wish that car was available in PA. By far my favorite vehicle and I can’t buy it! I don’t see why not having a hydrogen infrastructure is such a high hurdle. Why wait for some third party to develop the key ingredient (H2 stations) to making their product work? Can’t Hyundai sell me a home H2 generation appliance and storage tank? I would gladly pay Hyundai extra to have someone come to my home and install one. Its only input is electricity and water from a hose. In addition, Hyundai should incentivize each of it’s dealerships to install a small, one-pump station. The dealerships are spaced far enough from each other to make them somewhat ubiquitous. Plus, it’ll be a smart way to keep their customers coming back regularly. Apple does everything it can do to keep their customers within the Apple ecosystem by forcing customers to come back for most their accessories. They don’t mind because it’s convenient. Car companies haven’t figured out that bringing their customers back to the dealerships to do something as simple as filling up every 350 miles may be a GOOD thing for long-term relationships, and ultimately, sales. Ugh. I want that car.
Izúre Lem, Thanks for letting me know. Shame. I love the car and wish we could have a way to fill up from home.
Like everybody says, Alex rocks! I don't, however, understand his choice of car. I would rather wait 20 minutes for a charge instead of not having a place to charge to begin with. Plus I can't get over my fear of hydrogen, that thing is stupidly flammable and its flame is hard to see.
Love this car, if there were more places to fill up then this would definitely be on my list
When I saw the interior I remember our AKAI stereo in the 80s the buttons and knobs
It's the only up-to-date fuel cell vehicle you can buy today. The Toyota Mirai is somehow outdated already, but there will come a new version. Thankfully the Nexo is really attractive, but a bit expensive.
2:45 Red turning signals? Look at the other side?
That central console looks like a 90s stereo stack, so many buttons.
You don't see the range drop in cold weather, precisely because of the heat that the fuel cell emits. That heat is the difference in efficiency between a fuel cell and the BEVs that you refer to, but in cold weather the fuel cell simply uses the waste heat for the cabin, thus preserving the range. While it does have a PTC for the cabin that is used to "top up" the cabin temperature. Since the waste heat is used for the cabin the efficiency of a fuel cell matches the efficiency of a BEV in cold weather.
18:33 potentially useful when parallel parking against a wall or high curb while driving with passengers
One thing to note, fuel cell tanks have an expiration date. So we don't know how much will it cost to replace those tanks. I believe that's why Honda wants all Clarity FC's back, well before the tanks expire.
Upon researching your comments they really hve no merits when understanding the type IV this used here. Seems like an EV lover trying to spew lies
Might be interesting to explain the travel rule and how that favors FCEV sales in California over in other states.
Give thema little bit more color, special inside. Than this car is future. Absolute.
filling up with hydrogen is to long for me to handle at this point, plus they have no stations here in the north east. but that hydrogen card would make me seriously consider it if we had a small network of stations.
Gotta give it up for Hyundai for this one! This is one of the most discreet and futuristic looking vehicles on the road today~
I am really thinking of buying it after watching your video. I took a test drive and it was awesome. Did you end up buying one( it’s been 2 years since you made this video) ? Lots have changed
Did you buy it?
I hope they make Some letlights inside in different color.. further perfect.
I love buttons in cars but that might be a little extreme. That giant section of controls looks like a plane cockpit.
Interior is sweet
wow
Awesome video. So informative. Since the fuel cell takes in oxygen, does it pump cleaned oxygen into the cabin?
Brilliant presentation ! professional is lesser word !
Yes. Yes it is.
Very nice steering wheel. Almost like an airplane control yoke 😉
I live in the northeast, why am I watching this California exclusive vehicle?
Because it's cool
We have them in Vancouver, BC too
I hope it is.
Me too. Earth is getting sick
Watch for Hyundai to come out with a new battery system where you just pull up at any Hyundai or Kia dealer, they exchange your spent battery with a fully charged one in 5 minutes or less and off you go for $25. That will kill the competition.
Exactly! I’ve always thought that this was the most viable option to make electric cars as convenient as gas ones. Except that ALL electric vehicles should have a “standardized battery” that slides in and out (kinda like how we had VHS and CDs), and this would be done at your local gas station (manufacturers would have agreements / setups for this)
how would that work exactly? Can I exchange my 5-year-old battery with a new one? who's paying for faulty batteries?
No, existing batteries are currently too difficult to exchange. New designs will come out with redesigned batteries that are suitable for instant plug-and-go service. You will buy one new battery with the car then exchange it every time your battery charge is depleted. You won't have to be concerned about replacing your battery for the life of the vehicle. Hyundai/Kia will take care of recharging and repairing or replacing faulty batteries.
Alex What is your opinion on all the buttons that are horizontal? I see one coffee spill and lots of problems like a laptop keyboard. Dirt and just gravity will gum up all those buttons in short time. They do take away from storage as well.
electricity to charge your tesla is not green either. It too comes from whatever source made it. You must compare apples to apples. How much energy is spent to produce electricity in a power plant? Hydrogen is not an energy source in and of itself, anymore than electricity is an energy source. It is a medium for energy. It is only a way to store it. The difference with hydrogen, is that unlike storing it in a battery, range is no longer an issue and you can refuel in a couple of minutes, not 12 hours.
Another great thing about Hydrogen is that any gas station can sell it. Just like they sell propane or natural gas. They just have to get the tanks installed. So the infrastructure is already there in every existing gas station.
Also, the cost you quote for electricity assumes that no changes to the power grid are necessary. That is today's price for electricity when almost nobody has a battery charged vehicle. But if you add 263 million cars to the US electric grid, the grid could not handle that load and therefore the cost of electricity would have to go way, way up.
One more thing, you referred to this as a hydrogen vehicle vs an electric vehicle. This is an electric vehicle. All vehicles will eventually be electric. You meant to say a hydrogen vehicle vs a battery vehicle. The difference is how the electricity is produced - one produces it from a battery, one produces it from a fuel cell.
interesting car.... great review thanks man
i just dont get why make this car if its not as efficient as electric/hybrid. is it because its lighter and cheaper??
This vehicle is not cheap and would cost 3x what a gas fueled vehicle to fill if Hyundai didn't Subsidize your fuel!
Hi Alex, do you think that manufactures are deliberately making gas tank size's smaller and cruising ranges shorter in an effort to give new EVs and H2 vehicles less competition? It just seems like as fuel millage go's up gas tank sizes go down. In the past some of our cars could go from Indianapolis to Atlanta without stopping for fuel, just under 500 miles.
Hydrogen is a non-starter. You're having to add a whole new costly and bulky support system with the filling stations (dispensers, space, underground tanks, transportation of the hydrogen to the stations, hydrogen production itself etc...) All of that and the only benefit over a pure BEV is refuel time. Just not worth the added expense. Installing public charging stations for BEVs is way less expensive and intrusive and can be done in parking lots, electricity is already being produced and has a huge established infrastructure to support it. Plus you can charge your EV at home while you sleep.
I'm not saying it will be - but Zach, H2 absolutely can be, and has been, produced on site - no transport needed. Add an electrolyser, compressor and tanks plus dispensers and you are ready to go. There are BEV charging stations with overhead weather protection (roofs) covered in solar PV providing "some" of the power for charging customer vehicles. Same approach could be considered for H2 stations (plus water supply and parts mentioned above). Not saying it is better (see my long comment elsewhere). Only mentioning technological realities for consideration. Small set-ups could be used at home too. That expense is a real issue, I'll grant you. But until very high voltage high speed charging of BEVs (which is coming it seems), it offers a really good fueling/charging experience. It is the head in hands conundrum - ugh - which infrastructure do we need now?!
“Roads? Where we’re going, we don’t need roads.”
Of course
excellent contribution !
Wait this one will steer too cause my sonata only goes forward and back
Last, I am also troubled by the cost of hydrogen, both to the consumer and the environment. It is sooo expensive and requires so much energy to make hydrogen that, even if I get free hydrogen for the three years of lease (lease because the tech is changing fast and the hydrogen will be so expensive if I have to pay for it later), I feel bad about all the energy used to make the hydrogen and transport it to the stations to get it into these cars. Plus it is actually pretty inefficient in the overall scheme of energy (loss, etc.). Therefore, those are things to weigh.
Get the Nexo, Alex! I would. And I look forward to hearing your thoughts after long-term ownership.
And I’ll just drive down to the fuel cell filling station. Oh wait, that’s right there are none. I’ll stick with a car I can charge at home, overnight.
If you did have to pay for the fuel, how much is one tank full?
Nice styling, too bad they did not make it with another fuel option
I want this car..
If you were taking it on a long trip where there were no hydrogen stations, or wanted to buy one and didnt live near hydrogen stations, could you put the hydrogen in a tank and take it with you? Or is there another way to buy the hydrogen and store it at your house?
It's a lot less costly than a Model X, that is true.
Does the car offer you cold water drink while driving ? imagine taking that car in hot area and refueling yourself from the exhaust waste :)
Alex: You are right that not all hydrogen is
sourced in a green manner. This fact also applies to electricity. Some electricity is generated by burning fossil fuels. You referenced that the well-to-wheel (WTW) efficiency of a fuel cell electric vehicle is lower than that of a battery electric vehicle. If you compare the WTW greenhouse gas emission of a fuel cell vehicle fueled with steam reformed hydrogen vs. a battery electric vehicle charged from an average US grid, you will find their numbers are comparable at around 230 g CO2 e/mi. Their high and low range of emissions overlap. See this Department of Energy presentation, p.5 at www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2018/02/f49/fcto_h2_fc_update_satyapal_transp_research_board_2018.pdf
Relative efficiency of this is definitely below than "many battery electric vehicles" out there. Well. All of them. Worse than all of them.
They will pay for your hydrogen for 51,000 miles so quit whining
Really digging the design. Good job Hyundai.
Hyundai should just put two electric motors and a 75+kWh battery in it. It would be a best seller
Hydrogen as a technology for cars has already lost. And in case you care about the environment, it is not much more efficient overall than ICE cars
Ugo Sugo don’t be so sure. Technology in this area is advancing rapidly. I read and saw on TV an Australian company has just invented a hydrogen catalyst that can convert NH3 (ammonium) to hydrogen for hydrogen cars. They even had a working example. This apparently is the golden key needed to solve a lot of the problems associated with storing hydrogen etc. in this day and age it’s premature to rule out completely any technology
@@snoopy13946a) there is a new "gamechanging" tech in fuel cell every day. And if I got a dollar every time an Australian claim saved the world ...
b) I remember about an Israeli company, several years ago, claiming using NH3. c) the well to wheel efficiency of FC is not much better than gas (NH3 production is extremely energy intensive d) by the time FC will be cost competitive (without even considering efficiency) you'll can drive a BEV that does 500 miles, and charge in 10 min.. In summary, dead! cheers
Ugo Sugo Then why would a company like Toyota pronounce recently that battery EV’s were only a stepping stone towards Hydrogen ? They’re putting their money on hydrogen. Maybe they know more than you do.
@@snoopy13946 Toyota, a company that is trying to market its hybrids as the future, when they already belong to the past. There are million of reasons why large corporations stick to their guns, no matter how dumb it can be. What I know is based on science, and evidence says Toyota doesn't have a viable FC yet, and they have to lease it otherwise it would be ludicrously out of market. Not to count the poor efficiency of hydrogen production and its conversion to electricity
insideevs.com/efficiency-compared-battery-electric-73-hydrogen-22-ice-13/
@@snoopy13946 all other car makers are developing BEVs. Maybe they also know something? The question is with Cobalt supply. But Tesla now has a new battery tech that solves that.
This supercar is coming 2020. IT is a pity the price is still high in Holland. Identiteit know why???
Can someone make a hydrogen powered vehicle that sounds amazing
im thinking to live in this car or chevy blazer
What's the difference between H70 and H70-M?
People... this is how you review a car. At least as far as comprehensiveness goes.
I still think fuel cell isn't the way to go with hydrogen. They need to just replace gas & diesel with hydrogen. Almost any modern engine can be converted to run on hydrogen directly, that way hundreds of millions of vehicles can just be converted instead of having to be scrapped and replaced entirely which is ridiculously wasteful.
This will become a used bargain. If I would live in California I would get a used Toyota Mirai for sure, it's insane how cheap they are. Under $20k.
Have you mentioned anything about hydrogen being released from tanks because of getting warmer and over time those tanks end up being empty even if a car is not being used?
@Skintite Poly2Nurbs en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Hydrogen_7 "To stay a liquid, hydrogen must be super-cooled and maintained at cryogenic temperatures of, at warmest, −253 °C (−423.4 °F). When not using fuel, the Hydrogen 7’s hydrogen tank starts to warm and the hydrogen starts to vaporize"
@@LinasR The Hyundai Nexo (and other fuel cell cars) doesn't use liquid hydrogen like this BMW, but gaseous hydrogen under high pressure.
There is no significant hydrogen loss with these pressure tanks. According to the manufacturer less than 1% per month.
They abandoned cryogenic hydrogen in cars because of the mentioned losses by evaporation.
Did not talk about the drivetrain.
Isn't hydrogen Fuel cell bad for the environment as well? Which is why you see much more investment into EVs and traditional gas/diesel engines versus hydrogen. They're too expensive. Not efficient (versus electric). Not clean (currently most hydrogen is made using natural gas). And no infrastructure (refueling).
That button stack looks absurd and stupid.
button record?
Hyundai quality control will leave your combustion engine going up in flames. Will it leave the hydrogen vehicle blow up like a bomb?
The only reason there is no range anxiety in gas cars is the ubiquitousness of fast refueling stations. Hydrogen cars get the fast fill up right but I would have way more range anxiety in a hydrogen car than an ev because you really have to make sure you can reach one of those stations, and what happens if they are out of service for whatever reason? You really have no other recourse. However, if hydrogen stations started popping up all over the place then a hydrogen car is better than any other alternative, assuming hydrogen prices come down. When, or if, that happens is anyone's guess. If they can get charging times way down for ev's then hydrogen will never take off.
get us that interior on the rest on Nissan products
If I were to ever buy an EV, it would be a fuel car vehicle. Until then, I'll keep my manual transmission Toyota 86
This fuel cell technology is dead on arrival for Ev consumers. The math doesn't make sense. It's too complex and less convenient. This paradigm of depending on a 3rd party for fuel is obsolete. You can't really put a value and the feeling to waking up in the morning with a full battery at home. It's priceless. So Toyota and Hyundai need a better strategy. However I concede it might work for big fleet ( buses, truck) so long the source of hydrogen is green.
I don't think I buy that. it's just a different customer. This customer wants to visit a station for 5 minutes once a week rather than plugging it in daily. Some will fall on one side and others on the other. One person my office says he HATES the gas station so daily charging is his preference. The other is in an apartment and can't plug in daily and dislikes plugging in the company EV so he prefers the H2 model.
There is an irrevocable law of economics, which is that all transactions are biased to lower cost. People will by the cheapest product that meets their needs.
Hydrogen is the most expensive product. The hardware is more expensive. The fuel is more expensive. The infrastructure is more expensive. Everything about it is a boondoggle.
A hydrogen station costs ~$5M to build. A gas station costs ~$2M. A level 3 fast charger station costs ~$75k (less than 1/60th as much as hydrogen). That's why Tesla can afford to build their own network across three continents while Toyota & Hyundai--two of the world's largest companies--beg govts to pay for building hydrogen stations.
The cost of hydrogen is high not because of supply or infrastructure. It's high because of thermodynamics. The cost of 'green' hydrogen will NEVER be less than 6x to 8x electricity.
Cost will destroy hydrogen and everyone foolish enough to support it.
@@theevermind Dear economics professor, if what you said is true, there would never be any new product or an alternative to an existing product, because there can only be one product that is the cheapest.
When you talk about the cost to build stations, have you considered the difference in efficiency? How many cars can a Level 3 charger station charge a day and how many cars can a regular/Hydrogen station fill a day? If there are an equal number of EVs and hydrogen/gasoline cars out in the market, you'll need to build so many more Level 3s...
Last but not least, people used to say the cost to destroy EV but there is Tesla with all the other companies make them. Just because YOU can't think of a way to reduce cost doesn't mean others can't. Please leave the thinking to the more capable...
Is that rare?