Excellents in Pokemon Go just got harder. My tests show why.
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- Niantic recently released patch 0.317.0 for Pokemon Go. Players quickly discovered that it appeared to significantly alter catch mechanics, making Excellent throws more difficult. This video does an analysis of a large number of Excellent throws from before and after the patch to check whether, and how much, catch mechanics have been changed.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
01:36 - Analysis
02:35 - My Thoughts
03:24 - Outro 
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UPDATE: This was fixed in the patch 0.319.0 that is or will be rolling out soon. Check out the update video here: ruclips.net/video/11bEZTdrYiw/видео.html
CORRECTION: Embarrassingly I said this was caused by the 0.370.0 patch, which is completely incorrect. The correct patch number is 0.317.0. Not sure where I conjured the other number from.
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Love how Niantic only changes things to make them suck more lol. Appreciate the guide and validation that I wasn't going nuts after the update.
It sometimes seems that way.
I swear Niantic is a worse gaming company than EA....
That’s why spoofing is just more fun. The spoofing apps offer more features that niantic should add like quick catching, auto transferring pokemon, etc.
RIIIIGHT! Like they wanna charge an arm and a leg for their in-app-purchases and limited time yada yada.
All we get going forward though is base game updates that make it go downhill and less enjoyable?
Naintec has been slipping for YEARS in the sense that they don't listen to the fanbase or give us anything good anymore.
@@timdoyle1638and then there's people like you who's soul purpose is to break a game because you can't respect or enjoy it and or whatever base game isn't to your standard like~
~Go make your own app then why don't you?
After all, you put in that much effort to learn how to spoof and or hack a game. Whyyyy can't you do some good with that power instead of becoming part of the problem?
THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS
With all the data this channel willing to collect and save so we can compared it with future Updates, This Channel deserved More Subs
Thanks, I appreciate that! :)
This vid needs wayyyyy more exposure, great work!
Thanks so much!
Today, a Mankey smacked my ball back at me, but it bounced off the back of his head before being inexplicably vacuumed to my buddy for the catch assist. What a joke.
Very odd. Not quite the same thing, but there's a challenge called the "triple bounce" where you try to get the ball to hit the Pokemon three times, like this: ruclips.net/video/zPrfJGJL2g4/видео.html
I'd love to do that some day but it's extremely dependent on RNG.
This game is full of strange behaviour.
I've also noticed there's less whip on the curveball. Before you could simply rotate the ball once to get the spin going then throw, now you have to aggressively spin the ball just rotating it once or twice then stopping doesn't hold its spin and it will sort of turn upside down and hit the Pokémon really far out and not spin back in towards the centre like it used to.
I think I've noticed that too. You have to be more deliberate with starting the spin, which is particularly problematic when you're trying to throw quickly during an attack animation.
@@TheExcellentPokedex Exactly!
That explains why I can't catch anything with one single hand at all since yesterday, I thought it was my fault, not to mention how the excelent throws are more difficult now.
Thank you for the explanation
The impact on one handed players is something I didn't realize until reading the comments on this video. Moving back the hit targets is especially annoying there, it appears.
I had a 95%+ excellent throw rate on Machop before the patch. I was thinking I must be tired or not focused enough afterwards because I couldn't hit one at all. Thanks for explaining that it is Niantic's doing.
Those initial throws before I was aware of the change were so jarring. They just completely missed on easy Pokemon. At least we *know* there's a difference now.
This company does so many shady things just to waste peoples time and money. Its really sad and i feel like the FTC needs to do something, if they didnt lie or keep the changes hidden from the players it would be different but they are SO deceptive with shiny rates, catch rates, spawn rates etc. Its actually nuts how bad this game is with this
Not sure the FTC would care about throwing mechanics specifically, but I do appreciate some of the regulator efforts around requiring publishing specific odds for certain random events. We need more of that for things like shiny rates, etc.
wow, I thought I was pretty hard core about this game, but you're thorough to a point of mastery. Great data, bro
Why play if you can do a Master's thesis instead?
@@TheExcellentPokedex thank you for the video proof. I'm pretty sure Niantic hates its players at this point
This is the most aggravating thing they have ever done. Not only was it not announced or recognized in any way, not only is it worse (not just different) but your finger has to almost go beyond the screen, something that simply isn't possible. On pokémon farther away this makes a precise throw practically impossible.
Yeah, the far ones are affected the worst by this. Throws that require the full screen are very frustrating to get right, and sometimes seem impossible. I'm not sure that I can physically hit something like Trubbish after this change, since it required as fast a throw as possible right to the edge of the screen before.
@@TheExcellentPokedex It took me a while to figure scatterbug excellents. Pretty sure they're no longer possible after this update because the release point was at the border of the screen
I'm amazed you had all the touch tracking video recordings for each species to compare against. Amazing datasource for this type of analysis!
Yeah, been spending way too much time curating this. At least it paid off for something. :)
I knew I wasn't going crazy with the hitbox being moved back
Yup!
Great video!!! My throws were bad all of a sudden I thought I was trippin
Thanks for watching! Hope we get this fixed.
This is an awesome video showcasing the difference in throws. I'm glad you were able to back up your claims well. Good job!
Thanks! :)
I love internet and how people have data about everything!
Really nice video!
I started this channel because weirdly the internet *didn't* have this data, which I thought was weird. :D
Huh, just got done my evening walk amd thought i was going crazy. Hope this reverts, i have some muscle memory to unlearn otherwise, though not as much as you!
Haha, yeah. I do like learning new throw patterns but it's tough to fully reprogram my brain.
Thank you! Your calm demeanor with so much personal investment is quite calming. Here's to it getting fixed for everybody🥂
Commenting to help boost this video! This needs to be talked about.
Thank you so much. :D
Wow that makes so much more sense, and you said since last Friday. That’s I think when I noticed I was throwing off and I’m like man I just cannot throw today. That’s crazy fk this game forreal
Frustrating that the community has to discover and test things like this. Also that we haven't heard anything about whether this is intended.
Thank you for making me feel like I am indeed NOT crazy!
Thanks for watching. I had to make this video just to confirm what we were all thinking.
Found your channel because of this (hopefully) bug. Subscribed to hear any possible updates. I really hope this will get fixed, I had gotten really good at excellent throws but now I feel like I have no control over it whatsoever. I submitted a bug report too, but I doubt that's gonna do much.
I'll do my best to bring an update if one hopefully occurs!
It messed with me so bad on Saturday during the event, I was trying to catch crabrawler knowing that I was throwing excellent throws and it kept being short or going to far to the left. I hope they fix it!
Crabrawler excellent is so hard now. Quite annoying.
why does this channel only have 1k subs 😅the quality is so good
😊
holy crap i thought i was imagining things. thanks for the helpful video!
You're welcome!
Awesome video man. I seen this trending on Twitter so I had to come check out the original vid. Keep up the solid work!
Got a link to the tweet? I was wondering where all these views were coming from. 😂
Such a great video! And even better data 👊
Thank you. :D
Keep going bro! What you have going here tracking all that data and even the making of this videos with supported proof is amazing!
Thanks. :D
thanks for this video. i stumbled upon your channel by youtube recommendation. no wonder my excellent throw rate got screwed badly since the weekend😑
RUclips is being kind to this video. It seems that this change has definitely hit a nerve with the community.
Love seeing this channel grow 💪🏾
I appreciate you, I see you on every video! :)
it all make sense now. with new visuals all have changed.
Thank you! Subscribed because of this report. Good job, keep it up Sir! o7
Thanks! This kind of bug fell right in my wheelhouse.
Thank you for always putting in the time and data to bring us this info! I thought it was just subjective, but you objectively proved what we were all concerned about.
You're welcome. :)
I'm always happy when my unique trove of data can be used for something interesting like this.
Lol, Niantic was QUICK to reverse the change that made the spawn radius larger last year… complete radio silence for this one. If that doesn’t further convince you that Niantic is anti-player then you’re just willfully blind at this point.
What will be interesting to find out is whether they consider this a bug or not. If it's not a bug then I really question how they chose to implement it. It just makes the game feel jankier.
Oh my god, I feel it too. I thought I was just imagining it.
Thanks for the video! i was 100% sure pokemon are furhter and this started after the thing where you had to change settings to even throw.
You are fantastic. Thank you for figuring it out.
Thanks for watching. :)
And here I thought I was just adjusting to my new phone and a larger screen 😮 thanks for this one!
Thanks for confirming what I thought. Scatterbug has been so annoying to catch lol
Glad to see evidence that it wasn't just me. This even made some Pokemon that already required hard throws like Landorus absolutely miserable to capture. And with the trend that newer Pokemon usually have a more difficult catch rate, I'm wasting more Pokeballs trying to catch even lower CP things.
Feels like once a year, one thing or another burns me out until next spring. That might come earlier than usual this year.
Honestly it's good to take a break once in a while.
Thought I was going crazy for a few days, unable to throw excellents like before! And then i randomly stumbled upon your video and it all makes sense now. Hopefully it's just a bug but honestly who knows with Niantic 🤞
OMG I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY
Happy to make us all feel a little more sane.
Thank you for hard data and evidence. I’m the type of person to blame myself before blaming the game when it comes to something skill based. Now I know I’m not going crazy.
Yeah, me too. That's exactly why I had to make this!
No way the face reveal 😮
Haha, I just got a new setup for my other channel and figured why not.
@@TheExcellentPokedex What is your other channel? 👀
@@KayhanM Haven't posted on it in a while but it's this: www.youtube.com/@ElectricLlamaProjects
Planning to do some more stuff with it soon.
omg thanks to let us know about this
No problem. Honestly not sure what to make of this still.
@@TheExcellentPokedex i wish i can give you an answer
I felt something was off but couldnt quite put my finger on what. Thought i might have just got slack. But this explains it
This makes sense why I seem to miss so many balls when pokemon are so far back. The area to release is non existent on my phone in order to properly land the ball
Está noticia si es importante dentro del juego!
Como una jugadora habitual,
ya me había parecido extraño que los pokémon fueran más agresivos o costara demasiado poder hacer “bien”,”genial” o “excelente”, pero con todos los problemas de bugs pensé que era normal 😑,
Muchas gracias por la valiosa información 🙋🏼♀️🙇🏼♀️.
¡Gracias por mirar! Aprecio mucho tu comentario.
Disculpas si mi español es malo.
also it attacks new when u make the circle on excellent -
before: curve the ball, focus the throw, throw
now: curve the ball, focus the throw, monster attacks
Totally noticed the aim distance change as well.
If this truly isn't a bug, and Niantic had some sort of reasoning behind this change, they truly are one of the most toxic gaming companies of all time. Catching Pokemon is literally what this entire game revolves around at the end of the day, and choosing to randomly alter the mechanics of one of the most integral part of your game without saying anything or hoping players might not notice is just so insanely disrespectful to their player base.
Agreed. If this is intentional, it's hard to imagine the reasoning behind it.
@@TheExcellentPokedex to get less XPs
this is completely unplayable for me, i used to hit every excellent that i wanted to and now i spent 3 hours trying to finish "3 excellent in a row" without ever getting 2. The update has now been forced and the fix in the video doesn't work. If this isnt fixed before GO fest im refunding my ticket, if this gets my day 1 account banned (likely) then im gone for good. Niantic at their finest
Yeah. I think excellents are definitely still quite possible, but they are all significantly different than before, and some of the harder ones just got... even harder. Messing with years of learning a consistent throw pattern is really frustrating.
Got to hope it's a bug or you've got a hell of a lot more work ahead of you 😅
Also I was wondering why Scatterbug was borderline impossible to hit and there's also another thing where I see my pokéball shift to the side slightly when coming into contact with the pokémon
I'm having a lot of issues with Scatterbug after the patch as well.
On the plus side, if they don't revert this then I'm no longer massively behind on editing. Maybe if I start collecting again I can keep up. (Not likely.)
In addition, lots of throws aren’t even being acknowledged, or the ball simply slides down the front of the Pokémon. It’s crazy!
You deserve way more subscribers, I though you would have at least 100k subs
Thanks so much! It's hard to imagine 100k but maybe some day!
I'm still doing my 3rd Master ball research, 50 excellents. I've noticed doing Ex are different for the past week.
Oof. I'm not at that step yet (spend too much time making videos and not enough time actually playing, I guess). I bet that will trip a lot of people up even more than before.
It’s aggravating. I had nearly perfected the critical catch excellent throws, having confirmed that the only ones they don’t work on are legendaries, Snorlax and Audino
Looks like it's fixed now! See pinned comment.
@@TheExcellentPokedex I’m still struggling with it, where sometimes it seems fixed but then other times it goes away from the release point, almost like RNG. This was just in the last hour. Maybe there’s an update coming.
I used to play without native refresh rate and consistently hit excellent throws. After Niantic removed AR fast catch, I couldn't hit even great throws consistently. I had to enable native refresh rate and then practice and adapt to the new frame rate. Even still, as you mentioned, it feels like you have to throw much harder and longer to hit the same pokemon
For example, it was easy to hit excellents on landorus. But now, I have to throw the ball much further, that my finger has to slide past my screen which is kind of frustrating
Yeah, I think the worst throws are the ones where you have to throw as hard as possible and you run out of space on the screen. You just hope it registered the right speed.
I knew my throws had felt off recently. I didn't spend any brain cells to question it though
It’s literally at the edge of the screen for some pokemon and in some situations pokemon spawn where you literally can’t get an excellent throw without taking off your phone case
Yup. Lickitung and Tangela (of current spawns) are pretty annoying for this.
When I start trying to grind a lot, and one of the ways is excellent throws...
I haven't noticed excellent throws being harder to hit, but for me it seems Pokémon escapes the ball much easier than before after making an excellent throw. It's almost as if nice throws has a better catch chance than an excellent throw for some reason 😅
That would be *shocking* if true, but anything could potentially be a bug. This kind of thing is really hard to test without a very large sample size to get statistical significance.
Thank goodness people think the same I thought I was tweaking
i KNEW something was up
First I thought it was me throwing worse than before, but seeing this calms me a little 😅 Let's all just hope this is a bug
I was wondering why was I sucking at Excellent throws all of a sudden. I thought maybe I just wasn’t concentrating enough but when I started missing easy Pokemon I usually get, I knew there was a problem
Thank goodness I just got my master ball, cause those excellent throws 😮💨
Gotta save that for a Galarian bird.
Question, do different pokeballs have different 'weights'? It feels as if the normal pokeball is the lightest and the ultra ball is the heaviest. Ofc might just be trippin 😅 nice vid man
As far as I know, all balls throw the same. But I've never actually thought about that before, just never noticed a difference.
God I thought I was going crazy. All of my throws were pulling more to the right. Now it feels like I have to release the ball at the very left edge of screen to get a centered throw but it still feels so off. I'm probably hitting excellent throws at 10% of what I was previously. I'm actually struggling to even hit great throws
This explains why my throws are better now lmao
I coin this the "Impossible Throh Technique"
lol
I noticed the change between morning and afternoon, so that must have been when my app updated. In the morning, I was on a hot streak and made 5 excellents in a row. That afternoon, it was much more difficult. By the next day, I realized something had changed in the game. I assume this was intentional. Charitably, I would think their data was telling them that excellent throws were too easy and they wanted to make it more of challenge to meet requirements like the Level 46 and 49 excellent throw requirements. My actual assumption is that this is an intentional change to slow down XP that you can get from non raiding sources. The less raiding, the less raid passes they sell.
I really hope they didn't do this on purpose, but maybe they did. If they did do it on purpose, it's a weird way of making Excellents harder. I feel like it would make more sense to just reduce the circle size a bit if that was the goal, instead of just making everything feel jankier.
Best buddy bounce back as also been messed with
Sadly this is so hard to test now since I don't have access to the version before the change. It's quite possible though!
From time to time there's always one day that my throws are bad, but this time it felt different. So glad I went to search and found this video. Thanks for your wok! and F@#$ Niantic
Glad I was able to be there in the search results for you. I too was really happy when I saw other people had the same issue.
I hope this gets fixed. Having a curved screen + case makes it impossible to land a lot of throws now.
Yeah, I think the worst throws are the ones where you have to throw as hard as possible and you run out of space on the screen. You just hope it registered the right speed.
I thought I was going crazy and just been out of my form
My phone screen isnt even wide enough to allow me to make excellent throws now.
Yeah, I was trying today on a Muk which is very far away, and I'm pretty sure it's now impossible on my phone. It used to be baaarely possible with a perfectly angled throw to the edge of the screen.
I definitely noticed
I honestly have no idea. I'm not very conspiracy minded, but anything is possible.
You were literally the most qualified human on the planet to prove this.
That's exactly why I had to make this! I saw the post on Reddit and realized I had exactly the right data to check this out.
Poke AK mentioned this video.
I appreciate the shoutout and you mentioning this so I saw the video.
Have you also done an analysis on poke stop rewards? I feel like niantic changed the drop rate of normal pokeballs to try and fight autp catchers and force people to interact physically more often.
I haven't been keeping track of that on older versions so it's hard to do a comparison now. I'm guessing they do tweak the rewards from time to time. They definitely do that with gifts.
It's so you have to either buy Pokeballs or Go somewhere that has stops. It's intentional. Same thing when pokemon are becoming harder to catch
Thank god, I thought i was losing my mind by how bad I was throwing it, thx
You're welcome. :)
Not only are excellent throws needing to be ‘re-learned’ but all my mon have been taking speed or something (every one is attacking like crazy). Nerfantic like to make us waste our resources, that’s for sure. That’s not so bad if you’re a city player but when you’re rural, I can’t see the point in playing any more.
Nobody likes getting the 170xp/120xp for non-bonus catches, so here comes a glitch(?) that pretty much makes those catches more frequent than ever.
That is indeed the worst feeling.
Wow great database.
If only I had the time to actually edit it all. :P
I noticed that when the balls collide with the Pokémon before, it wouldn't do that now, it'll reach it's collision and then sudenly do a litle jump/teleport usualy lower on the Pokémon, drives me nuts, can barely hit anything anymore
Yeah I'm not really sure what's going on with that. I feel that the collision box has moved back a little, so the ball just flies one or two frames more than it used to, which appears in slow motion to be an extra jump at the end. But I'm really not sure.
@@TheExcellentPokedex also feel like that's the case, hope they fix it asap so we don't get too used to this one now
I KNEW IT!!!
Right!?
This will make catching certain pokemon that already had insanely far back catch Fields nearly uncatchable, and this includes Trubbish, one of the Boosted Stardust pokemon. Better get this fixed Niantic.
Agreed, it make it very hard to get Excellents on Trubbish, Lickitung, Muk, etc, for me. But it's fixed now! See pinned comment.
They got easier for me but the crabrawler is like that
I legit couldn't hit a Drifloon(shadow) and was like WTF is going on? Is this going to run? Lmao
great, makes it impossible now to play one-handed or on a bike which already was a pain in the a**
Damn, sucks that you have to start over again with your collection. Hopefully they switch it back
The silver lining is that I was so far behind on editing that I was getting kind of overwhelmed.
But obviously I'd love them to switch it back anyway. So much lost effort.
Who's here cus poke Ak gave the shoutout
LMAO
I became level50 3 hours ago, lvl50 challenge is 5 excellent in a row, 3 hours i couldn’t do it.
Well, it affects nice and greats too. Now I’m not really looking forward to Cyndaquil CD
Same. I also can't make a video for Cyndaquil because all my footage (I had 10+ examples) is now obsolete. :(
👏👏👏👏👏👏🤯🤯
Have y'all noticed that pokemon now time their pokeball repelling action to your release? Before the patch, it felt more RNG but now after testing, this seems to be the case. Looks like Niantic is now looking at making more money off of pokeball sales
I honestly haven't noticed a difference
It's a pretty subtle effect if we're honest. The change in Excellent throw target is less than like a half inch on the screen. But it's enough when the technique is really dialled in.
Did you do the Wiglett before or after the patch? If it was before, I'm so sorry. But Niantic probably won't feel sorry.
Definitely before! Luckily.
Still hoping they'll patch this out.