My son is Gen Z. He just graduate from high school. He worked over the summer before college. The owner hired about 10 Gen Z kids. Within weeks, it was down to him and 3 other workers. All the rest had been fired for being late, lying, stealing from the company and just not showing up. Several of them argued with the owner of the expectations they agreed to when they took the job- nothing that was not written in their contract. My son worked so much OT, that he paid cash for a his dream car. and walked away with a reference and a job offer for next summer. He said after the first 2 weeks, management didn't even bother him. I am GEN X and I don't believe in dying at your desk but one has to work and have some sort of self control and acceptance for what working is. I would not put up with abuse or not being paid, etc. but my word, these kids quit because the wind blew the wrong way.
A majority of Gen-Z are really criminally minded, stealing material things, stealing time, lying, self-centered with no reference to universal morals. Hopefully, most of them will "wake-up". Owner had to fire one, who went missing while on the clock, and when asked where she was, she said honestly, she went to the gym, on company time. Owner of this small business would quickly fail with such workers.
If u take the job at the salary offered under conditions you were told than that employer has the right to expect loyal hard working honest employees. Period
@@SurzhenkoAndrii "Employer is not entitled to have honest loyal discipline employees, unless paid properly" - Wrong, and that reflects the lousy morals of the person. A person should ALWAYS be loyal, honest and disciplined. That's a bare minimum to be a decent fucking human being. Those have nothing to do with the *work* you do. The *work* is the specific actions from you above and beyond the basics of being a decent humans being. Such entitlement. No wonder...
As a 39 year old, software engineering veteran, I hate the attitude of these gen z so called coders. They don’t know anything and they scoff at everything. I got one working on code implementation on one of my designs and he challenges everything with a smirking face. He just says what he thinks is wrong but does not have an alternate way to do things. Its annoying
Same here. Theoretically a junior, but factually something between an entry-level and a junior. Thinks he is a senior. Everything is interpreted as a personal attack. He makes the same errors over and over. Constantly declares his enthusiasm, but of course not when it is time for correction. Then I'm mean and angry and it is time to complain to the bosses XD.
37 here. I can't stand how hard it is for them to do BASIC COMMUNICATION. The Gen Z'rs I've worked with overwhelmingly are so awkward. The act like "surfer dudes" who are high at all times, speaking barely coherently. They laugh constantly when they can't think of the basic words needed to complete coherent sentences. It's getting bad...
This is so real. I'm between Gen-Z and Millennial aged, and not all, but many of my coworkers can't interact professionally or have total meltdowns when they're held to account. I work remote in Supply Chain, and a woman on my team was wearing a tube top, which made it look like she was topless. When told this was inappropriate, she accused us of objectifying her and that *we* were the problem. When I approach coworkers about how they haven't met deadlines, they blame their anxiety and executive dysfunction, and cry "ableism". It drives me batty.
@@Laplata-r9n Nah I work remote as a senior software engineer it's a valid opinion. Not all remote workers are slacking off. You just need to not be a douche bam now you're actually working amazing. You kinda want to work when the job is fun and pays good you know?
executive dysfunction is actually very serious if you aren't getting treatment...and to blame people for that is like complaining to a wheelchair users for not using the stairs...
@@hookflash699 Since when non-journalists following political orders are right about anything? do you even know how to tie your shoes if you are to believe these crap on 2024?
Gen Z forced me to quit my tenured job as a STEM professor because they would rather complain, call me names, and try to get me fired than do honest work. They are the worst.
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824 and you’re an idiot for missing the “stem professor” and “tenured” bit. Too damn stupid to work out the students were complaining. Basically OP was doing a bad job of teaching and not delivering their moneys worth
In my last job we hired a gen-Z woman (girl) and if anyone makes any noise she will walk up and tell them to be quiet, get a room, etc. Everyone hates her but are afraid of HR. I heard the other day the director purposely made noise with a product that he would normally put putty over the speaker just to have fun with her. She actually came up to the director and asked if he could take the hardware somewhere else. I feel sorry for her because as she ages I doubt she will develop senior / principal level skills. An experienced engineer told her to use a software technique and she said I'm not a CS major I'm a EE. Crazy that this new crop of engineers would even say something so stupid. Most will adapt to the cold reality of life others will have a tough time. Some of the gen-Z engineers I've worked with are amazing but most are pretty clueless.
That’s an interesting situation to deal with. At that point you kind of have to start wondering whether she has sensory issues, or just sensitive hearing. If that was the case however, she should’ve been transparent about it early on and asked for accommodations and maybe be stationed in a more quiet place. Either way that does sound annoying if she didn’t give any reason to why she didn’t want people making noise. Just saying it’s not good to be assuming anything about people, 100% blaming it on stupidity or cluelessness is a stretch.
I am 21, totally agree, I liked how you try to change your words to not offend people even when you do not have to. If you are not willing to commit... you get what you give.
I'm GenX. About a year ago I went job hunting, filling out applications online and getting called for interviews. Every interview I showed up wearing a suit and tie. Standing in the waiting area were GenZ's who... would show up too but wearing jeans, crocks, flipflops, or tee-shirts, super long hair, scruffy beards, painted fingernails or man buns. Professionalism is dead.
Boy, Stef, you trod on dangerous ground with this one. An entire generation would disagree with you, but that generation would be the Gen Zr's. I'm a boomer myself, finally retired in the last few years, but working as a freelancer finally doing what I love. No one would deny that times were different back in the early 70s when I started in the workforce, but I was fortunate enough to learn a work ethic that served me well throughout my various jobs. I busted my ass and did my best because that's the kind of person I wanted to be. I didn't feel "entitled" or that the world owed me anything. Having worked at both small companies and corporations, I can tell you that the corporate world sucks and they're hard on their employees. But they're there to make a profit, and if you're a hindrance to that goal, you're probably going to be removed. I never got laid off in my entire career, even when others were. Would my approach work today? I don't know. But work life is a reality, and unless you plan on somehow starting your own business and think the money will just start rolling in by doing nothing, you have to work to survive, and your attitude is a major factor to being able to do that.
Your approach wouldn't work today. I'm 53, been with the same employer for more than 28 years now. It's not the company lower level management that's the problem today, it's the current generation of HR and CEOs that have come up. They're "hoppers", who jump to a new company every few years, brought in only to make cuts and increase profits, take a big payment, and leave for the next victim. In my department there are only two engineers over 30 years-old, including myself. They've laid off all the over-fifty workers to replace them with 2-year out of college grads for half the cost. It's starting to show in the lack of experience and professionalism and I'm fully expecting the last two of us to be laid off in the next couple of years as soon as the younger ones can fill our specific niche. From my observation, this trend started with the private equity firms buying up everything in the 90s and continues today. It's a very different world today.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative You're probably right. The entire environment has changed for the worse over the decades. I worked at one small company for probably 10 years that had several retail stores, and they eventually fell to the winds of change and went out of business. But the owner used some of his connections to get a new job lined up for me because I had tried to do my best when I worked there. Contrast that with today, where HR comes in, fires you and maybe gives you a severance package, and you're escorted out and forgotten. Hedge fund investors snap up a company and immediately start cutting costs including personnel, even if it hurts them in the long run. (That's actually happening now where my son works.) And the workforce today reacts in kind, rightfully so, by not giving a rat's butt anymore about company loyalty. As for your situation, good luck, I hope it works out for you whether you're able to remain there or end up someplace else. Thank god I don't have to deal with that crap anymore.
No, your approach would not work today, and that completely goes over most of your generation's head. The pay is much lower and life is more expensive. You would have busted your ass and still be on the bottom if you tried that today, much like many of this generation. How is that worth it?
@@Icewind007 "You would have busted your ass and still be on the bottom if you tried that today, much like many of this generation. How is that worth it?" yes its worth it. Getting experience is a good start. Learn as much as you can. Consider it paid training\continuing education. Every makes very little when the start out, even if your a STEM. You get experience, show value. If the company does not reward you, than move on to different employer after a couple of years. Plan B: get experience, Find out what is in demand, build a portfolio of contacts & start your own business. When I started out, I was the lowest paid in my group. I stuck with the job, learning everything I could. Did a lot of OT (salary usually working 60+ hours 6 to 7 days aweek). when there was nothing more to gain (skill\experience) I switched employers and made nearly double what i was making. later I started my own business & was making between $150K & $250K a year.
Not just graduates have this attitude. Teens and twenty year olds I have hired want to spend time on their phones rather than serve customers. They protest when I lock those phones in my desk, and when I have to issue a warning and put it in their personal files
I’m in my mid 50s, heading to my late 50s. I work part time at a retail establishment along side six GenZ adult/children. I stay upfront and help the customers the entire shift. They sit in the back on their phones and only come out if I ask them to come out. Yet, they expect to make the same salary that I do and complain about everything I don’t know how this generations gonna survive working 40 to 50 years, I kind of wish I was around to see it just so I can have a good laugh.
It's important not to overcomplicate it. You can love the profession. But a job, a contract, etc. - it's a transaction. That's it. It's not personal, sentimental, or emotional. It also turns out, you're, in fact, not "a family" *gasp*. Ultimately, employers always expect to get as much value out of you as they can, so try to give them enough to where they feel like they're getting their money's worth (but no more), and importantly, also try to get as much value as you can out of them. And if it's not working for you and something better comes along, just jump ship. It's just business. They'd drop you without hesitation too, if they thought it's better for them.
Workers are a commodity. Sadly, loyalty is fading as a result. “I can’t find good workers anymore.” is common to hear. Well, when you try to get something for nothing or provide free stuff (enticing) you foster a materialistic reward. The reward should be focused on the satisfaction of good result from your labor not free food, free gear, free anything. The satisfaction from a job well done is more rewarding than any pay hike. You have to allow the employee to learn how to do the work you want to see done. You will both be happy in the end.
Entry to mid-level tech people are not in the driving seat anymore. For any position I have, 10+ qualified people apply. Yep, do just enough and I will not keep you on staff. After a while, nobody will hire you. Take an honest look at other industries and quit having the me-me-me-first attitude.
True, unfortunately a lot of young people (myself included) used to get attached emotionally to the people and the work and just try too hard. It's just a job, nothing to be worried about in the end.
Maybe but young people are raised to treat people a certain way and didn't learn that work is this nightmare realm where people don't treat each other like human beings. Normal people get attached to people they spend a lot of time with. Employers ruined their own work environments.
@@johnhanley2431 Funny thing is this attitude by employers is what is causing them to fail in my country. Anyone worth anything leaves for better pastures, so what you end up is mediocre people being a norm which results in mediocre companies. Companies thought they can train people up if they cannot find good employee, only for those employees to leave once they're trained up. So what ends up happening is that there's a constant shortage of workers but for some reason bosses never try to increase their salaries, and would rather spend it on rehiring. Brother, your entire IT department was completely replaced in the span of 2 years, maybe start thinking about how to retain people?
It's going to get much worse. I recently saw a viral video of a college student taking screen shots of her test, running it through Chat GPT and getting a 100% on it.
Yes, the way people are evaluated is going to have to change. Well, do what small business do ... give them a trial period to see how productive they are. So students who don't actually learn, will be found out only hurting themselves.
Some of them think they know everything but like somebody said, “ you are as good as your Wi-Fi connection” without a smart device they can’t do anything.
Not all gen z are like this but the bad ones are giving the good ones a bad name. Some gen z do this on purpose because they don't want to work. They don't want to work unless its the job that they want. While at the same time, gen z in the trades are thriving. They're making money and no one talks about them becausr they're not online complaining.
I think you are on to something. Most people work because we have to. We have to pay out bills. But if you live with your parents, you aren't paying the bills, or only paying a few of them. This gives you lots of options, like not having to work a full time job. Some are trying to live the 'Van" life and hobble together a job while maintaining that lifestyle. When it gets inconvenient or difficult, they move on.
The teachers warned us. Now they can't keep a job down. I call it karma on the parents. These parents disrespect the teachers and now their adult child moves back into there home.
I’m Gen X and am being permanently medically retired because I can’t deal with this woke crap anymore. I’m not pandering to people’s mental health issues. If you’re a woman, you’re a woman. I was accused of transphobia because I was an intensive care registered nurse for 20 years and I believe in the binary. I’m sick of giving performance management discussions and getting rude, unsolicited feedback. So, I’m out. I’m losing heaps of money but I don’t have to deal with these egotistical lunatics.
Not projecting much are you. If you are a health care professional, then being woke is part of the job. Woke meaning caring about others and giving them dignity along the way. Take an honest look at yourself, maybe the problem is you, not them.
I’m gen z, who still lives with parents, and I do agree, you get what you give. You need to offer something of value. If you feel entitled to certain things, and offer nothing in return. You have every reason to be fired. It’s as simple as that. Just saying “you get what you give” really reminds me of that song of the same name. Great song check it out for yourself.
Even when I was in school employers complained people graduated without being able to program anything, and things were much more rigorous then. The real problem is graduating means nothing today it is no different than HS grad. Best advice I got was from a prof no one can stop you from learning. so even if your school is doing a poor job and passing everyone like every ivy league school and most state schools today, you can still master the material on your own using the textbooks as a guide.
I would add one point to that: To get promoted quickly and be liked by management, just do things that makes your manager life easier. Managing your manager is an easy way to make him/her happy and get them off your back.
I agree until that manager is replaced do to promotion or other factors then you are going to get screwed do to the new manager wanting there own team so there going to want to replace you. This happen to me after 20 years with the management team we all got moved out like we where nothing. I now work on the shop floor as if I was just hired doing a job that I did 28 years ago news flash im not that young guy I was and there trying to push me out hoping I quit. Im not going to quit I have 2 more year's. Todays job market is broke they dont understand what experienced people are worth until it all crashes around them then they expect you to fix it...... Dont do it they did this to themselves let it ruin them because they are doing everything to ruin you.
Im a senior consultant. Current consultanting on a very large enterprise system. The head of the department im consulting for told me this. The difference between a junior and senior/lead. Is juniors need to be helpful. Seniors/Leads need to be valuable. Get good at being valuable and selling yourself. If you can't do that then you'll be replaced.
I’ve had three different careers and been a manager at two of them. My job as an employee is to do my job and make my boss look good by doing what I was hired to do and giving constructive feedback or suggestions when necessary and not whining when they say no. That’s their job. As a manger, to give those under my leadership the tools to do their jobs and help them grow. The key to success is education, being open to new ideas and criticism (not abuse). I grew up with a strong work ethic and worked hard to succeed in all three of my careers, all of which were different. Which brings up what my dad used to say, if something is not working for you, try something else.
I'm starting my own startup now. That's what i did in my last job. I resigned. when you said "if you disagree then you're a.... (GenZ) Entrepreneur. Lol. I literally wrote entrepreneur on my Instagram haha. And i am about to open a startup to cover my gap year. 😂❤ Smart. Not unethical. It's a real company with a real purpose.
If you have a startup year in your CV and go back to being an employee later, the recruiter can say that your startup year was only a cover for not having a job. They also feel free to say that X is a job hopper, when any position is below 3 years.
If they care that much about a 1 year gap they aren't worth working for, apply somewhere else with better recruitment where they don't care about the bs and just care about your skills.
I interview and hire a lot. My question to you in the interview would be why you are applying for a job if you have a successful company. Or would you be working at my company only while yours became successful. Or did the company fail, why and what did you learn from it.
Gen X/Boomers committing their lives to companies only to be tossed aside like a piece of paper when "times get rough" for the company. I do believe in being professional, showing up on time, etc since your going have to be this way if you work for yourself but absolute loyalty to where you're working overtime for the company and stuff like that isn't worth it as they won't be as loyal back.
Correct. Professionalism is something GenZ should learn even if i do agree with their general sentiment. We are all Mercenaries. As for young being sacked easily? Think it wasn't so back then in the day? I recall people getting sacked. Even Engineers got the pink slips when boss saw a engineer graduate put together a setup with one hand in pocket. That was enough, looking disrespectful. Then there was the 'going to work hangover' or messing things up and forced to resign? This is a ongoin process. People will get wrecked but regardless of generation one must bounce back. Be it self employment or whatever.
I am not X or Boomer, but from my parents who I have seen over the years. I think Gen Z understands the Gen X and Boomer mentality about work wrongly. They don't slave their lives over work. They don't commit years of their lives on loyalty either. They do the work, get paid, and go on. My dad got laid off after 20 years at his first job due to financial trouble. You know how he handled that? He built a rapport over those 20 years, and had resources to fall back on. He was able to get a new job quickly, better pay, etc. He had built relationships with people. Gen Z doesn't think about work like that. They view it more individually and are less likely to build connections and clients to help them later in the future. My mother jumped jobs often when the job wasn't working for her because she understood the at will employment. She knew her skills and sought new jobs when the old one didn't value her or she took it up with management. She moved up and over time she was senior leadership in her career. Most times you aren't dealt a good hand, and you have to make a choice. Do you draw or reshuffle?
For the first 2 commenters in this section, why should I work like a slave only to be tossed aside when the time comes? Companies don't chase anything but profits, either financial or political (DEI), none of which have anything to benefit the workers. Why should the workers do anything in addition to the necesary work to earn their living? Not to mention there is also the immigration whicj brings waves and waves of low pay workers from poor countries and whom the employers use to raise the bar way too high for the standards of their employers to the point it is more expensive to pay to get to the job rather than just not work.
@@Hardcore_Remixer You could not have missed the point more. Being a merc gets paid, laid and made. And you also bolt out when things get dicey. No loyalty, no bs. 'Pay me or get out' attitude will never go out of fashion.
When I was first busting onto the work scene with that ego that I'm gonna change the world, the world laughed and handed me my ass rather forcefully. I had my head up my ass for a bit after that., but I did figure it out. I don't think it's so much a Gen-Z thing as much as it's a human thing where you make mistakes when you're young and hopefully learn from them. Doesn't always work, but usually it does. Heck, I screw up all the time and I still have most of my fingers.
My schools from junior high to college always had programs and/or classes you could join to learn how to give speeches, how to dress and act professionally, etc. It sounds like these programs/classes are either not offered anymore or not encouraged. Employers rightly expect you to be professional in how you act, dress, represent the company, and work with the team while also delivering quality work product. It's the whole package they desire from you so that they don't have any problems that cost them money and/or time. This IS what they are paying you for - the whole package.
Pretty much spot on advice. I’m retired now but worked as a lab technician for a large company for over 30 years. “Easy to get along with people” are a joy to be around when trying to get the job done. It was an industrial lab, so other than required safety equipment you could dress in jeans, tee shirts, whatever. Every so often just for the heck of it I would wear a three piece suit. People would look at me and wonder what I was up to. There were even people from other buildings who would come in and say “ I heard you’re wearing a suit, what’s up “?😂
I certainly belong in the cantankerous category. Never got on with my superiors, was never interested in dress code, used every excuse under the sun to avoid meetings and always developed bad blood with some of my colleagues who I thought were jerks (they probably thought the same of me). So I went freelance and worked as an independent engineering consultant. That worked out fine and I was even contracted by former employers. They all hated my guts, but knew I was good at my job. That way they could keep me at arms length and still get the most out of me. Both my kids are Gen Z. I told them, either they buckle down to company rules or they have to go freelance. I'm waiting to see how they fair.
If you do not like your pay, your benefits, your hours, etc, just remember that you negotiated that and accepted what you have. It's your own fault for accepting what you have when you were hired on. You should have done your own research on the company's climate and culture before you accepted any offer. I swear this generation thinks they are perfect and they never do anything wrong and that the world owes them a living just for existing. OMG, you came into work today... let me bow down before you! Stop putting the blame on the company and start taking responsibility for your actions or lack thereof.
Sure, it's easy to say that as a boss when you can always hire some cheap migrants coming from poor countries and who'd work overtime for a garbage wage. Immigration changed the rules in about every Western country, and that's foe every job tier, from delivery driver to software engineer (Indians are both super smart and work for super cheap). When a boss sais he cannot find good workers they actually mean they cannot find good workers to work on a garbage wage that doesn't keep up with the inflation and that they are waiting for the next influx of migrants to come. Capitalism is about "supply and demand", but it has now become "wait and demand". Look around. Every Western country imports migrants in mass to the point they let even the illegal ines enter.
A 90 day probation for tech employment I've seen for decades. One fellow who headed a small SW shop said it took at least a month to find our if you were any good. They only hired programmers just from college as they knew how they wanted them to write. He went with his gut, interviews were generally 15 mins and not really interested in grades or what school they hired from."Who knows how they got those assignments done." The company was very successful.
This job market and career field is completely screwed up. Mass firings, layoffs, barely any jobs, etc. Then they want you to "tap dance" and kiss butt just to keep your job and the work politics overshadow any actual learning you may get to do on these jobs. Also no training. College doesn't teach you what you really need to complete web applications properly. The companies all do things their own ways. Then there is the racial aspect where the work cliques don't accept you because your not from the same "culture" as them. Who cares about equal employment right? I say all this to say that freelance is the new career and the career is dead. The old geezers killed it. A new generation of improperly trained coders and they want to blame the new generation, which didn't get that fancy training and quality time one on one with senior developers. We just got thrown into the fire and then when we don't know what to do your just bad at your job lol. Freelance is the way and these corporations better hope AI works because they won't be able to hire workers once all these old folks die off...
A few weeks ago, I saw a job posting on Indeed for a "junior" dev role (requirements more in line with a SENIOR role), $18/hour. Yes, $18. That's less than a FedEx or Amazon delivery driver in the same city. I have noticed that when employers treat people well, with decent benefits, income, work/life balance and working conditions, employees strive, whether they're millennials, gen z....go figure!
I predict that AI will only result in less "qualified programmers", it won't actually end up taking as many jobs as people think. Notice that "qualified is not the same thing as a senior developer". As the saying goes you can be a senior developer with 1 year of experience repeated 10 times. Those programmers who are actually worth their salt will not work for a salary below their expectations, they also will be a lot harder to find. If companies continue on the trajectory of not wanting to hire or guide new hires because they think AI will eventually replace them (I'd argue getting from junior to senior is mostly self-learning and improving from past experiences). Then as you have correctly pointed out all the qualified programmers who have made their money and have started leaving the industry will create a massive void in this area. They can offshore but that won't fix the problem since this shortage will be global. There is no shortage of supply, however, there are those who can code and those who can actually solve specific problems, which actually moves the needle, those developers are in short supply, these companies don't usually appreciate these developers. Inexperienced or non-qualified programmers create technical debt, AI is not going to be any different. The only catch is that companies that choose to use AI (eventually most companies will probably have to so they can compete) will have NO choice but to prioritize training developers again or hire the thousands of developers that have gone freelance / contract only, and oh boy are they going to have to increase their payouts.
@@johncenator3146 Those companies will not pay more. Instead they will persuade congress to approve an increase in the number of H1-B visa approvals (imported software engineers) every year. If our country is not flooded with H1-B visas now, it will be in the near future. Once that happens, most American developers will have to settle for $18 per hour if they want to continue developing software. Today's democrats won't think twice about selling out your career to "globalism" and they'll lie through their f**kin teeth while they do it. Fact: 100,000 H1-B visas approved EVERY YEAR since the 1980's. That's a LOT of imported/foreign software engineers who will to do your job and all of the jobs you turned down. Let that sink in. . .
I've been a contract engineer for over 30 years now. I live in the place of being expendable, an EMU (Engineering Meat Unit), and I'm very good at what I do. The most fundamental lesson that I've learned is to never burn bridges. Do the best that you can in the role you have, treat others with respect and kindness, but always remember that you are expendable. The second is that You Are Not Your Job. You have a responsibility to yourself that nobody gets to take from you, and self-awareness isn't really a leading trait with most people.
What is not taught in school, is entrepreneurship, which would address most of these issues. When you have to work for yourself, you learn how to interact w customers, understand their needs, wants, concerns for the health of their business, and collaborate.
I keep reading articles about gen z doing this and that. I've never yet encountered someone like in the articles. They've all been just as professional as any others I have worked with. Often times more so as the job marker hasnt been great as of late. The people who managed to get in the door really appreciate having an opportunity. I think there are probably some extreme outliers out there due to weird parenting trends that became popular in the last 20 years or so.
This really reflects on the parent(s) and upbringing. Kids should be taught basic manners and that work and effort counts. Unfortunately, I know some parents that were too shielded and provided by their (rich) parents. Now they are entitled because "mommy" shields her adult child from life's hardships and the kids will become the next generation of entitled.
The first rule of successfully working for a living is the understanding that you have to do work. And if they think it is hard to actually work - wait until they try being an entrepreneur.
There is a see-saw that must be balanced. Employers and employees need to work together and have respect both ways. A great start is to really iron out the contract and what is expected on both sides. During the interview, the potential employee must ask the potential employer questions as well. Interviews are not a one-way street. What I have discovered over my decades of working is that saying "yes" to an additional task once, is that it can end up being more than a one-off, and when you eventually say "I'd love to, but I can't do it this time", you're the one with the bad attitude! That is wrong.
This is related to the reduction or elimination of remote work. Getting people back in the office fosters professional development for people just starting their careers, no matter what generation they belong to.
I'm Gen X. I hated corporate culture, so I started my own business. I expect my employees to behave themselves, within reason. So far, every Gen Z employee has been a complete failure and disapointment who thinks they can do whatever the hell they want. Most of the late millennials, and some of the early ones, also suck. I make it clear in my advertising, pre-interviews, and interviews what I expect. I spell it out. I make the job sound super hard. I give them a specific list of acceptable clothing and hair styles, I don't just say "business casual" or something vague like that. The first day, half of them show up in pajamas with uncombed hair in their eyes. Nearly all the rest also don't make it past the first week. I pay more than double minimum wage, so that's not the problem.
This is expected. I am surprised that "Oggy and the Cockroaches - Jack's Nephew", "Cell" {2016} and "It's Our World (Steve Cutts / Yann Tiersen)" last that long.
The good news here is knowing that it doesn’t take much to rise above the average employee. Not much at all. Beginning a career and feeling entitled to do everything their way? Refusing to follow protocols? To be a great leader, you must be able to follow. Humility is the secret weapon. You disqualify yourself from leadership (or ownership) when you refuse to follow. Thinking entrepreneurship and self employment is the answer? Yet, no doubt expecting to have others work for you and follow your lead? Good luck.
Through my career in coding for almost 21 years , I’ve been lucky to work for companies that hired you for your knowledge and skill, plus had no real dress code.. only real dress code was no shorts or open toe. You have to find the companies that fit you but I agree you have to be professional. Also keep learning even outside of the job. I’ve learned other programming skills through personal projects because a job isn’t autonomy.. and the company has particular requirements.. sure you could suggest a path but it needs to benefit the company in some way that the bosses can see the possible returns.
Corporations openly age discriminate and downsize seasoned developers, engineers, technicians, and managers only to hire as one commenter stated "openly lazy, whiny, arrogant, entitled generation" of "workers". There is no wonder everything is falling apart, I read an article about iOS 18 being incompatible with Apple's latest iPad Pro with M4 chip but working fine on the older models. That is absolutely ridiculous, companies like Apple and Sony were known for producing quality products but nowadays they're just pushing junk on the market and releasing patches every week it seems like everyone else...
If people are still buying it doesn't make sense for them to over invest. After Steve Jobs, Apple does not innovate, they just try to get the most money
My first idea, this is not how much time, but how much money for doing the job. I remember to understand how some software analystes were exceptional, I understood how I was good when I saw the size of their house. In fact, I paid their houses. When they fired me, they had fired themselves too, but they whined to not find enough good software developers like them. Everything in a projet starts with money, you have to be critical on this point. If you are poor and work hard, this is not you the problem so don't act fool about that. Learn to live with people living on eart. You need to ask how much your employer is ready to deserve for each point. You don't beg, you ask him to not beg free requirements like a quality from him. He need to feel he is begging your instead of giving something.
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Let me fix this for you: A lot of Gen Z previous to uni and corporate world have never really held down a JOB !!! Maybe summer jobs or part-time jobs but never a full time job There fixed it for u
there has been issues with employees new to the work force since forever. but the business model has been exceedingly skewed towards business preferences for years. it finally levelled out near the millennium ... the fact that new hires still have issues fitting in should not be a surprise. we are not going back to the fifties
An employee is a service provider, an employer is a customer. Ether can agree to end or maintain the relationship. It’s that simple. Labour laws are mostly 🐂 droppings today.
If I don't get a raise that competes with inflation, I show up a few minutes late, and the quality goes down in my work. I value my labor and my time. It's the companies responsibility to reciprocate through monetary means. Professionalism is only valued when you're the boss.
I don't think it's political either but I also don't think this is a real thing. If this wasn't caught in the interview process that speaks more about the employer than the one they let go.
@@Not-Getting-Political-Anymore The youngest boomers were born in 1963. Do the math. Someone 51 was born around 1973. All of this generational squabble seems to be endemic to the U.S., going back to the 60's. The most recent trend is to talk about how gen A (basically children) is deficient due to the poor parenting of their millennial parents. I don't know how old you are, but if you live long enough there will be folks saying the same about your generation.
My son is Gen Z and he is graduating university this year. He has been working as an intern since beginning of his second year and now that he wants to do his masters, told his company that he wants to focus on that. They offered him a flexible arrangement and more money because of his work ethic, hard work and results. The other 4 interns in his group they were fired because of their typical z behaviour. I think their behaviour and attitudes tend to be stem from how the parents bring them up and how they perceive work and respect of others. I don't need to explain anymore.
Remember there’s a time where people in the dating scene are bad mouthing the shit out of the opposite gender? It’s the same thing all over again, only this time between the old and young people
If this gentleman has tattoos, they are mercifully covered. To me he is not a follower. He sees no value spending thousands on something that is a fad. The next fad? Tattoo removal, which cost much more than being tattooed.
They shouldn't do all those diversity hires! Mostly diversity hires are the issues. They are making all the other majority regular hires look extremely bad. ESG needs to be removed also as a criteria for judging companies.
You get there on time every day and be professional. Bosses put together a clique that are unprofessional, constantly late and can't finish what they started. Those are the ones that get promoted.
All you need to hold a job down is to get on with everyone and earn more than you are paid. Sadly apparently not so easy to find employees like that any more. (Reflections from someone recently retired.)
It is a mental thing. I am sure that there are good kids among the Gen-Z. But... some of them? They never learned to understand work ethics. I just hope that many can adjust to the reality that work sucks. And you have to follow certain expectations.
I could never work in the US. There are workers rights in the US too, incl the firing process. But it's not enforced, and now even the workers are saying "it's just normal"? When I can't leave on the spot, it comes with huge benefits. Nobody sees it as a violation of our rights. The system is beneficiary to both sides, employers have time to replace critical workers too. If you don't want that added security in life, you can sign up as a contractor, where you exchange some of those rights and other benefits for additional salary. There is also a "trial period" where rights are much reduced. Our US (and other nationalities) regular workers are humble and easy to get along. When we get US folk into manager/higher positions, they're never there for long (here) because they add so much toxicity to the workplace. But they do get the same security, they can't be fired on the fly. Even if a replacement is found quickly, they can come to an agreement that paychecks continue for the rest of the period but not show up. Added security in life, less anxiety, employer don't have leverage. But I can't walk out just because I feel like it? Yeah, I'll take it! For anyone sane, that is a positive, not a negative. If it is particularly bad, provide documentation and you can get out on sick leave. Employer don't get to see the reason, but its common courtesy to inform the higher ups and/or HR on what went wrong.
I’m OG, 59 and in manufacturing. Jets specifically. You outsiders tend to generalize manufacturing as “dumb monkeys’ however there are reasons, rules, specs for EVERYTHING. Including paint drying temp, composition, how to acquire, approved vendors, disposal, etc etc. ad nauseaum. All these processes are required to know and/or understand for your job. New hires (all ages) like to gripe and say I didn’t sign up for this. Uh, yes you did. Everyone wants my max pay without any skills and knowledge and time on the job. Many quickly do the human equivalent of “least work, most pay” I get it, we all do it at times. We have whole crews that are like that. Starts with management. Unfortunately the last 20 years a lot of management came from these slackers and don’t workers so they continue the cycle only worse.
Companies get their panties in a bunch because reciprocity isn't working for them. What a shocker. Do you seriously think that the companies are asking anything of the sort like 'how can we help our employees'? NO, it's obvious if you fired people for something you could clearly train them in. It's about the bottom line, for workers now too. It's clearly mere transactional relationships.
Their logic is they don’t want to be overworked and underpaid . The whole business has always been this way and people ONLY TOLERATE it because everyone was doing the same. We have grown accustomed to a slave, to not question and to go what life thrown at us. But they are wrong at the part where you could leave at anytime.
I like to learn coding not to get a job but to build all ideas I have in my mind. What you think about it? Most videos I see online are meant to get jobs.
My dad learned at the age of 10 or so, that if he didn't show up well, and provide value to someone, he wouldn't get to go to the arcade. I didn't learn that until I was in my mid 20s. My kid will learn that as fast as I can reasonably allow. You've got enough shit to deal with in your 20s. But he won't want anything if he has infinite entertainment at home for free on a phone. I'll probably let phones be used for parent-contact only. I'll train him useful shit on the computer. But if you want to have fun, you'll have to go find someone else. And convince them to give you money.
I retired eight years ago from my banking career. I started seeing the decline in qualified management trainees back then, and now as a customer, it is so much worse. Totally agree with you.
im learning html 5 with uncle stef.. i equate coding with english, theyre both analytic and i had to learn them both, My mother tongue is portuguese and i think funny you englsh speaking guys saying exuberant and other latin words hahahhahha
My son is Gen Z. He just graduate from high school. He worked over the summer before college. The owner hired about 10 Gen Z kids. Within weeks, it was down to him and 3 other workers. All the rest had been fired for being late, lying, stealing from the company and just not showing up. Several of them argued with the owner of the expectations they agreed to when they took the job- nothing that was not written in their contract. My son worked so much OT, that he paid cash for a his dream car. and walked away with a reference and a job offer for next summer. He said after the first 2 weeks, management didn't even bother him. I am GEN X and I don't believe in dying at your desk but one has to work and have some sort of self control and acceptance for what working is. I would not put up with abuse or not being paid, etc. but my word, these kids quit because the wind blew the wrong way.
A majority of Gen-Z are really criminally minded, stealing material things, stealing time, lying, self-centered with no reference to universal morals. Hopefully, most of them will "wake-up". Owner had to fire one, who went missing while on the clock, and when asked where she was, she said honestly, she went to the gym, on company time. Owner of this small business would quickly fail with such workers.
Employer is not entitled to have honest loyal discipline employees, unless paid properly.
If u take the job at the salary offered under conditions you were told than that employer has the right to expect loyal hard working honest employees. Period
@@SurzhenkoAndrii "Employer is not entitled to have honest loyal discipline employees, unless paid properly" -
Wrong, and that reflects the lousy morals of the person. A person should ALWAYS be loyal, honest and disciplined. That's a bare minimum to be a decent fucking human being. Those have nothing to do with the *work* you do. The *work* is the specific actions from you above and beyond the basics of being a decent humans being. Such entitlement. No wonder...
As a 39 year old, software engineering veteran, I hate the attitude of these gen z so called coders. They don’t know anything and they scoff at everything. I got one working on code implementation on one of my designs and he challenges everything with a smirking face. He just says what he thinks is wrong but does not have an alternate way to do things. Its annoying
Kind of agree. Complaining without solutions is just useless.
same here I work in the I.t dept. and most of all my 8 superiors are females (young people) so you can only imagine the hell that goes on in there
Same here. Theoretically a junior, but factually something between an entry-level and a junior. Thinks he is a senior. Everything is interpreted as a personal attack. He makes the same errors over and over. Constantly declares his enthusiasm, but of course not when it is time for correction. Then I'm mean and angry and it is time to complain to the bosses XD.
37 here. I can't stand how hard it is for them to do BASIC COMMUNICATION. The Gen Z'rs I've worked with overwhelmingly are so awkward. The act like "surfer dudes" who are high at all times, speaking barely coherently. They laugh constantly when they can't think of the basic words needed to complete coherent sentences. It's getting bad...
Same in the pilot industry
This is so real. I'm between Gen-Z and Millennial aged, and not all, but many of my coworkers can't interact professionally or have total meltdowns when they're held to account. I work remote in Supply Chain, and a woman on my team was wearing a tube top, which made it look like she was topless. When told this was inappropriate, she accused us of objectifying her and that *we* were the problem. When I approach coworkers about how they haven't met deadlines, they blame their anxiety and executive dysfunction, and cry "ableism". It drives me batty.
"I work remote" opinion discarded
Wow. They are god at creating new words
@@Laplata-r9n Nah I work remote as a senior software engineer it's a valid opinion. Not all remote workers are slacking off. You just need to not be a douche bam now you're actually working amazing. You kinda want to work when the job is fun and pays good you know?
executive dysfunction is actually very serious if you aren't getting treatment...and to blame people for that is like complaining to a wheelchair users for not using the stairs...
Nobody 'objectifies' women better than women.
Ten-fifteen years ago everyone complained about millennials
And? They were right.
@@hookflash699 Since when non-journalists following political orders are right about anything? do you even know how to tie your shoes if you are to believe these crap on 2024?
and they were right
Every n generation bellyaches about the n+2 generation. It's nothing new.
@@gilian2587 And every civilization eventually collapses. Maybe the two are related?
Gen Z forced me to quit my tenured job as a STEM professor because they would rather complain, call me names, and try to get me fired than do honest work. They are the worst.
They were basically paying you for a service that you didn’t deliver on
@@TheJase8566 More entitled gen z opinion. you are the EMPLOYEE, not the boss. Start your own company if you want to be the boss!
@ I’m GenX you boomer scum
@@sebbonxxsebbon6824 and you’re an idiot for missing the “stem professor” and “tenured” bit. Too damn stupid to work out the students were complaining. Basically OP was doing a bad job of teaching and not delivering their moneys worth
In my last job we hired a gen-Z woman (girl) and if anyone makes any noise she will walk up and tell them to be quiet, get a room, etc. Everyone hates her but are afraid of HR. I heard the other day the director purposely made noise with a product that he would normally put putty over the speaker just to have fun with her. She actually came up to the director and asked if he could take the hardware somewhere else. I feel sorry for her because as she ages I doubt she will develop senior / principal level skills. An experienced engineer told her to use a software technique and she said I'm not a CS major I'm a EE. Crazy that this new crop of engineers would even say something so stupid. Most will adapt to the cold reality of life others will have a tough time. Some of the gen-Z engineers I've worked with are amazing but most are pretty clueless.
That’s an interesting situation to deal with. At that point you kind of have to start wondering whether she has sensory issues, or just sensitive hearing. If that was the case however, she should’ve been transparent about it early on and asked for accommodations and maybe be stationed in a more quiet place. Either way that does sound annoying if she didn’t give any reason to why she didn’t want people making noise.
Just saying it’s not good to be assuming anything about people, 100% blaming it on stupidity or cluelessness is a stretch.
I am 21, totally agree, I liked how you try to change your words to not offend people even when you do not have to. If you are not willing to commit... you get what you give.
Gen X (1965-1980)
Gen Y (1981-1996)
Gen Z or iGen (1997-2010)
Gen Alpha (after 2011)
2022 gen ai
Sad that you have to list this for some people. I hate the clown who call everyone older than them "Boomers". Such ignorance.
I'm GenX. About a year ago I went job hunting, filling out applications online and getting called for interviews. Every interview I showed up wearing a suit and tie. Standing in the waiting area were GenZ's who... would show up too but wearing jeans, crocks, flipflops, or tee-shirts, super long hair, scruffy beards, painted fingernails or man buns. Professionalism is dead.
What is a man bun?
@@MuhammadbinYusrat think the top knot seen in traditional East Asian cultures.
I have known more people get thrown out of job interviews for wearing a suit than those who got the job because of it.
While true I also don't think employers deserve respect.
@@gottesurteil3201 The default mode should to always show respect...until someone gives you a reason not to respect them.
Boy, Stef, you trod on dangerous ground with this one. An entire generation would disagree with you, but that generation would be the Gen Zr's. I'm a boomer myself, finally retired in the last few years, but working as a freelancer finally doing what I love. No one would deny that times were different back in the early 70s when I started in the workforce, but I was fortunate enough to learn a work ethic that served me well throughout my various jobs. I busted my ass and did my best because that's the kind of person I wanted to be. I didn't feel "entitled" or that the world owed me anything. Having worked at both small companies and corporations, I can tell you that the corporate world sucks and they're hard on their employees. But they're there to make a profit, and if you're a hindrance to that goal, you're probably going to be removed. I never got laid off in my entire career, even when others were. Would my approach work today? I don't know. But work life is a reality, and unless you plan on somehow starting your own business and think the money will just start rolling in by doing nothing, you have to work to survive, and your attitude is a major factor to being able to do that.
Your approach wouldn't work today. I'm 53, been with the same employer for more than 28 years now. It's not the company lower level management that's the problem today, it's the current generation of HR and CEOs that have come up. They're "hoppers", who jump to a new company every few years, brought in only to make cuts and increase profits, take a big payment, and leave for the next victim.
In my department there are only two engineers over 30 years-old, including myself. They've laid off all the over-fifty workers to replace them with 2-year out of college grads for half the cost. It's starting to show in the lack of experience and professionalism and I'm fully expecting the last two of us to be laid off in the next couple of years as soon as the younger ones can fill our specific niche.
From my observation, this trend started with the private equity firms buying up everything in the 90s and continues today. It's a very different world today.
@@Shadow_Banned_Conservative You're probably right. The entire environment has changed for the worse over the decades. I worked at one small company for probably 10 years that had several retail stores, and they eventually fell to the winds of change and went out of business. But the owner used some of his connections to get a new job lined up for me because I had tried to do my best when I worked there. Contrast that with today, where HR comes in, fires you and maybe gives you a severance package, and you're escorted out and forgotten. Hedge fund investors snap up a company and immediately start cutting costs including personnel, even if it hurts them in the long run. (That's actually happening now where my son works.) And the workforce today reacts in kind, rightfully so, by not giving a rat's butt anymore about company loyalty.
As for your situation, good luck, I hope it works out for you whether you're able to remain there or end up someplace else. Thank god I don't have to deal with that crap anymore.
No, your approach would not work today, and that completely goes over most of your generation's head. The pay is much lower and life is more expensive. You would have busted your ass and still be on the bottom if you tried that today, much like many of this generation. How is that worth it?
@@Icewind007 "You would have busted your ass and still be on the bottom if you tried that today, much like many of this generation. How is that worth it?"
yes its worth it. Getting experience is a good start. Learn as much as you can. Consider it paid training\continuing education. Every makes very little when the start out, even if your a STEM. You get experience, show value. If the company does not reward you, than move on to different employer after a couple of years. Plan B: get experience, Find out what is in demand, build a portfolio of contacts & start your own business.
When I started out, I was the lowest paid in my group. I stuck with the job, learning everything I could. Did a lot of OT (salary usually working 60+ hours 6 to 7 days aweek). when there was nothing more to gain (skill\experience) I switched employers and made nearly double what i was making. later I started my own business & was making between $150K & $250K a year.
What do you mean I don't get a private office??? - Gen Z interviewee
Addiction to status for younger people is staggering, but hey, it makes getting above them is super easy.
@@devlaunch-online Not really when many start going into the work force, and it becomes status quo.
Not just graduates have this attitude. Teens and twenty year olds I have hired want to spend time on their phones rather than serve customers. They protest when I lock those phones in my desk, and when I have to issue a warning and put it in their personal files
I’m in my mid 50s, heading to my late 50s. I work part time at a retail establishment along side six GenZ adult/children. I stay upfront and help the customers the entire shift. They sit in the back on their phones and only come out if I ask them to come out. Yet, they expect to make the same salary that I do and complain about everything I don’t know how this generations gonna survive working 40 to 50 years, I kind of wish I was around to see it just so I can have a good laugh.
Yeah, I can totally imagine this train wreck. I've worked in similar environments.
It's important not to overcomplicate it. You can love the profession. But a job, a contract, etc. - it's a transaction. That's it. It's not personal, sentimental, or emotional. It also turns out, you're, in fact, not "a family" *gasp*.
Ultimately, employers always expect to get as much value out of you as they can, so try to give them enough to where they feel like they're getting their money's worth (but no more), and importantly, also try to get as much value as you can out of them.
And if it's not working for you and something better comes along, just jump ship. It's just business. They'd drop you without hesitation too, if they thought it's better for them.
Workers are a commodity. Sadly, loyalty is fading as a result. “I can’t find good workers anymore.” is common to hear. Well, when you try to get something for nothing or provide free stuff (enticing) you foster a materialistic reward. The reward should be focused on the satisfaction of good result from your labor not free food, free gear, free anything. The satisfaction from a job well done is more rewarding than any pay hike. You have to allow the employee to learn how to do the work you want to see done. You will both be happy in the end.
Entry to mid-level tech people are not in the driving seat anymore. For any position I have, 10+ qualified people apply.
Yep, do just enough and I will not keep you on staff. After a while, nobody will hire you.
Take an honest look at other industries and quit having the me-me-me-first attitude.
True, unfortunately a lot of young people (myself included) used to get attached emotionally to the people and the work and just try too hard. It's just a job, nothing to be worried about in the end.
Maybe but young people are raised to treat people a certain way and didn't learn that work is this nightmare realm where people don't treat each other like human beings. Normal people get attached to people they spend a lot of time with. Employers ruined their own work environments.
@@johnhanley2431 Funny thing is this attitude by employers is what is causing them to fail in my country. Anyone worth anything leaves for better pastures, so what you end up is mediocre people being a norm which results in mediocre companies. Companies thought they can train people up if they cannot find good employee, only for those employees to leave once they're trained up. So what ends up happening is that there's a constant shortage of workers but for some reason bosses never try to increase their salaries, and would rather spend it on rehiring. Brother, your entire IT department was completely replaced in the span of 2 years, maybe start thinking about how to retain people?
It's going to get much worse. I recently saw a viral video of a college student taking screen shots of her test, running it through Chat GPT and getting a 100% on it.
Yes, the way people are evaluated is going to have to change. Well, do what small business do ... give them a trial period to see how productive they are. So students who don't actually learn, will be found out only hurting themselves.
Some of them think they know everything but like somebody said, “ you are as good as your Wi-Fi connection” without a smart device they can’t do anything.
Not all gen z are like this but the bad ones are giving the good ones a bad name. Some gen z do this on purpose because they don't want to work. They don't want to work unless its the job that they want. While at the same time, gen z in the trades are thriving. They're making money and no one talks about them becausr they're not online complaining.
I think you are on to something. Most people work because we have to. We have to pay out bills. But if you live with your parents, you aren't paying the bills, or only paying a few of them. This gives you lots of options, like not having to work a full time job. Some are trying to live the 'Van" life and hobble together a job while maintaining that lifestyle. When it gets inconvenient or difficult, they move on.
Bring back The Draft. 2 years in The Military will teach them.
The teachers warned us. Now they can't keep a job down. I call it karma on the parents. These parents disrespect the teachers and now their adult child moves back into there home.
I’m Gen X and am being permanently medically retired because I can’t deal with this woke crap anymore. I’m not pandering to people’s mental health issues. If you’re a woman, you’re a woman. I was accused of transphobia because I was an intensive care registered nurse for 20 years and I believe in the binary. I’m sick of giving performance management discussions and getting rude, unsolicited feedback. So, I’m out. I’m losing heaps of money but I don’t have to deal with these egotistical lunatics.
Word this world is going crazy
"permanently medically retired because I can’t deal with this woke crap anymore"?!? Nope. This sounds more like you have a mental/emotional problem.
@@factChecker01Hmmmm, sounds like she took a page out of the Gen Z playbook. LMAO.
Not projecting much are you. If you are a health care professional, then being woke is part of the job. Woke meaning caring about others and giving them dignity along the way. Take an honest look at yourself, maybe the problem is you, not them.
@@factChecker01 no I can’t deal with pandering to individual delusions
I’m gen z, who still lives with parents, and I do agree, you get what you give. You need to offer something of value. If you feel entitled to certain things, and offer nothing in return. You have every reason to be fired. It’s as simple as that. Just saying “you get what you give” really reminds me of that song of the same name. Great song check it out for yourself.
Even when I was in school employers complained people graduated without being able to program anything, and things were much more rigorous then. The real problem is graduating means nothing today it is no different than HS grad. Best advice I got was from a prof no one can stop you from learning. so even if your school is doing a poor job and passing everyone like every ivy league school and most state schools today, you can still master the material on your own using the textbooks as a guide.
I would add one point to that: To get promoted quickly and be liked by management, just do things that makes your manager life easier. Managing your manager is an easy way to make him/her happy and get them off your back.
I agree until that manager is replaced do to promotion or other factors then you are going to get screwed do to the new manager wanting there own team so there going to want to replace you. This happen to me after 20 years with the management team we all got moved out like we where nothing. I now work on the shop floor as if I was just hired doing a job that I did 28 years ago news flash im not that young guy I was and there trying to push me out hoping I quit. Im not going to quit I have 2 more year's. Todays job market is broke they dont understand what experienced people are worth until it all crashes around them then they expect you to fix it...... Dont do it they did this to themselves let it ruin them because they are doing everything to ruin you.
Im a senior consultant. Current consultanting on a very large enterprise system. The head of the department im consulting for told me this. The difference between a junior and senior/lead. Is juniors need to be helpful. Seniors/Leads need to be valuable. Get good at being valuable and selling yourself. If you can't do that then you'll be replaced.
Always great to see Uncle Stef in good shape. Important note: be professional, be on time, and don't smell. :D
You wouldn't believe how many people don't keep the last one lol
I’ve had three different careers and been a manager at two of them. My job as an employee is to do my job and make my boss look good by doing what I was hired to do and giving constructive feedback or suggestions when necessary and not whining when they say no. That’s their job.
As a manger, to give those under my leadership the tools to do their jobs and help them grow. The key to success is education, being open to new ideas and criticism (not abuse). I grew up with a strong work ethic and worked hard to succeed in all three of my careers, all of which were different. Which brings up what my dad used to say, if something is not working for you, try something else.
I'm starting my own startup now. That's what i did in my last job. I resigned. when you said "if you disagree then you're a.... (GenZ) Entrepreneur. Lol. I literally wrote entrepreneur on my Instagram haha. And i am about to open a startup to cover my gap year. 😂❤ Smart. Not unethical. It's a real company with a real purpose.
If you have a startup year in your CV and go back to being an employee later, the recruiter can say that your startup year was only a cover for not having a job.
They also feel free to say that X is a job hopper, when any position is below 3 years.
@@AdamFiregate then yes, it's a job hopper. I don't care what belief they hold. They are dud HRs. Cucks who never could take a risk in life.
@@AdamFiregate No one cares.
If they care that much about a 1 year gap they aren't worth working for, apply somewhere else with better recruitment where they don't care about the bs and just care about your skills.
I interview and hire a lot. My question to you in the interview would be why you are applying for a job if you have a successful company. Or would you be working at my company only while yours became successful. Or did the company fail, why and what did you learn from it.
Gen X/Boomers committing their lives to companies only to be tossed aside like a piece of paper when "times get rough" for the company.
I do believe in being professional, showing up on time, etc since your going have to be this way if you work for yourself but absolute loyalty to where you're working overtime for the company and stuff like that isn't worth it as they won't be as loyal back.
Absolutely true. Behave properly and within the scope of your responsibilities, but don't expect nothing in return.
Correct. Professionalism is something GenZ should learn even if i do agree with their general sentiment. We are all Mercenaries. As for young being sacked easily? Think it wasn't so back then in the day? I recall people getting sacked. Even Engineers got the pink slips when boss saw a engineer graduate put together a setup with one hand in pocket. That was enough, looking disrespectful. Then there was the 'going to work hangover' or messing things up and forced to resign? This is a ongoin process. People will get wrecked but regardless of generation one must bounce back. Be it self employment or whatever.
I am not X or Boomer, but from my parents who I have seen over the years. I think Gen Z understands the Gen X and Boomer mentality about work wrongly.
They don't slave their lives over work. They don't commit years of their lives on loyalty either. They do the work, get paid, and go on. My dad got laid off after 20 years at his first job due to financial trouble. You know how he handled that?
He built a rapport over those 20 years, and had resources to fall back on. He was able to get a new job quickly, better pay, etc. He had built relationships with people.
Gen Z doesn't think about work like that. They view it more individually and are less likely to build connections and clients to help them later in the future.
My mother jumped jobs often when the job wasn't working for her because she understood the at will employment. She knew her skills and sought new jobs when the old one didn't value her or she took it up with management. She moved up and over time she was senior leadership in her career.
Most times you aren't dealt a good hand, and you have to make a choice. Do you draw or reshuffle?
For the first 2 commenters in this section, why should I work like a slave only to be tossed aside when the time comes?
Companies don't chase anything but profits, either financial or political (DEI), none of which have anything to benefit the workers.
Why should the workers do anything in addition to the necesary work to earn their living?
Not to mention there is also the immigration whicj brings waves and waves of low pay workers from poor countries and whom the employers use to raise the bar way too high for the standards of their employers to the point it is more expensive to pay to get to the job rather than just not work.
@@Hardcore_Remixer You could not have missed the point more. Being a merc gets paid, laid and made. And you also bolt out when things get dicey. No loyalty, no bs. 'Pay me or get out' attitude will never go out of fashion.
Every older generation has complained about the newer. Only to be replaced by the newer generation. It’s just a matter of time.
That's not what's happening. Things have changed. Other factors are at play.
Thanks, Uncle Stef!
Welcome!
When I was first busting onto the work scene with that ego that I'm gonna change the world, the world laughed and handed me my ass rather forcefully. I had my head up my ass for a bit after that., but I did figure it out.
I don't think it's so much a Gen-Z thing as much as it's a human thing where you make mistakes when you're young and hopefully learn from them. Doesn't always work, but usually it does. Heck, I screw up all the time and I still have most of my fingers.
My schools from junior high to college always had programs and/or classes you could join to learn how to give speeches, how to dress and act professionally, etc. It sounds like these programs/classes are either not offered anymore or not encouraged. Employers rightly expect you to be professional in how you act, dress, represent the company, and work with the team while also delivering quality work product. It's the whole package they desire from you so that they don't have any problems that cost them money and/or time. This IS what they are paying you for - the whole package.
You can see this, "Someone Owes Me", attitude in kids today.
Pretty much spot on advice. I’m retired now but worked as a lab technician for a large company for over 30 years. “Easy to get along with people” are a joy to be around when trying to get the job done. It was an industrial lab, so other than required safety equipment you could dress in jeans, tee shirts, whatever. Every so often just for the heck of it I would wear a three piece suit. People would look at me and wonder what I was up to. There were even people from other buildings who would come in and say “ I heard you’re wearing a suit, what’s up “?😂
I certainly belong in the cantankerous category. Never got on with my superiors, was never interested in dress code, used every excuse under the sun to avoid meetings and always developed bad blood with some of my colleagues who I thought were jerks (they probably thought the same of me). So I went freelance and worked as an independent engineering consultant. That worked out fine and I was even contracted by former employers. They all hated my guts, but knew I was good at my job. That way they could keep me at arms length and still get the most out of me.
Both my kids are Gen Z. I told them, either they buckle down to company rules or they have to go freelance. I'm waiting to see how they fair.
If you do not like your pay, your benefits, your hours, etc, just remember that you negotiated that and accepted what you have. It's your own fault for accepting what you have when you were hired on. You should have done your own research on the company's climate and culture before you accepted any offer.
I swear this generation thinks they are perfect and they never do anything wrong and that the world owes them a living just for existing. OMG, you came into work today... let me bow down before you!
Stop putting the blame on the company and start taking responsibility for your actions or lack thereof.
Sure, it's easy to say that as a boss when you can always hire some cheap migrants coming from poor countries and who'd work overtime for a garbage wage.
Immigration changed the rules in about every Western country, and that's foe every job tier, from delivery driver to software engineer (Indians are both super smart and work for super cheap).
When a boss sais he cannot find good workers they actually mean they cannot find good workers to work on a garbage wage that doesn't keep up with the inflation and that they are waiting for the next influx of migrants to come.
Capitalism is about "supply and demand", but it has now become "wait and demand". Look around. Every Western country imports migrants in mass to the point they let even the illegal ines enter.
A 90 day probation for tech employment I've seen for decades. One fellow who headed a small SW shop said it took at least a month to find our if you were any good. They only hired programmers just from college as they knew how they wanted them to write. He went with his gut, interviews were generally 15 mins and not really interested in grades or what school they hired from."Who knows how they got those assignments done."
The company was very successful.
This job market and career field is completely screwed up. Mass firings, layoffs, barely any jobs, etc. Then they want you to "tap dance" and kiss butt just to keep your job and the work politics overshadow any actual learning you may get to do on these jobs. Also no training. College doesn't teach you what you really need to complete web applications properly. The companies all do things their own ways. Then there is the racial aspect where the work cliques don't accept you because your not from the same "culture" as them. Who cares about equal employment right? I say all this to say that freelance is the new career and the career is dead. The old geezers killed it. A new generation of improperly trained coders and they want to blame the new generation, which didn't get that fancy training and quality time one on one with senior developers. We just got thrown into the fire and then when we don't know what to do your just bad at your job lol. Freelance is the way and these corporations better hope AI works because they won't be able to hire workers once all these old folks die off...
A few weeks ago, I saw a job posting on Indeed for a "junior" dev role (requirements more in line with a SENIOR role), $18/hour. Yes, $18. That's less than a FedEx or Amazon delivery driver in the same city. I have noticed that when employers treat people well, with decent benefits, income, work/life balance and working conditions, employees strive, whether they're millennials, gen z....go figure!
Why would they ever want to hire anyone with your attitude?
I predict that AI will only result in less "qualified programmers", it won't actually end up taking as many jobs as people think. Notice that "qualified is not the same thing as a senior developer". As the saying goes you can be a senior developer with 1 year of experience repeated 10 times. Those programmers who are actually worth their salt will not work for a salary below their expectations, they also will be a lot harder to find. If companies continue on the trajectory of not wanting to hire or guide new hires because they think AI will eventually replace them (I'd argue getting from junior to senior is mostly self-learning and improving from past experiences). Then as you have correctly pointed out all the qualified programmers who have made their money and have started leaving the industry will create a massive void in this area. They can offshore but that won't fix the problem since this shortage will be global.
There is no shortage of supply, however, there are those who can code and those who can actually solve specific problems, which actually moves the needle, those developers are in short supply, these companies don't usually appreciate these developers.
Inexperienced or non-qualified programmers create technical debt, AI is not going to be any different. The only catch is that companies that choose to use AI (eventually most companies will probably have to so they can compete) will have NO choice but to prioritize training developers again or hire the thousands of developers that have gone freelance / contract only, and oh boy are they going to have to increase their payouts.
@@johncenator3146 Those companies will not pay more. Instead they will persuade congress to approve an increase in the number of H1-B visa approvals (imported software engineers) every year. If our country is not flooded with H1-B visas now, it will be in the near future. Once that happens, most American developers will have to settle for $18 per hour if they want to continue developing software. Today's democrats won't think twice about selling out your career to "globalism" and they'll lie through their f**kin teeth while they do it. Fact: 100,000 H1-B visas approved EVERY YEAR since the 1980's. That's a LOT of imported/foreign software engineers who will to do your job and all of the jobs you turned down. Let that sink in. . .
If you aren't able to learn on your own, you won't be successful at any job.
I've been a contract engineer for over 30 years now. I live in the place of being expendable, an EMU (Engineering Meat Unit), and I'm very good at what I do.
The most fundamental lesson that I've learned is to never burn bridges. Do the best that you can in the role you have, treat others with respect and kindness, but always remember that you are expendable.
The second is that You Are Not Your Job. You have a responsibility to yourself that nobody gets to take from you, and self-awareness isn't really a leading trait with most people.
What is not taught in school, is entrepreneurship, which would address most of these issues. When you have to work for yourself, you learn how to interact w customers, understand their needs, wants, concerns for the health of their business, and collaborate.
this simple advice applies to every employee not just grads.
I keep reading articles about gen z doing this and that. I've never yet encountered someone like in the articles.
They've all been just as professional as any others I have worked with. Often times more so as the job marker hasnt been great as of late. The people who managed to get in the door really appreciate having an opportunity.
I think there are probably some extreme outliers out there due to weird parenting trends that became popular in the last 20 years or so.
This really reflects on the parent(s) and upbringing. Kids should be taught basic manners and that work and effort counts. Unfortunately, I know some parents that were too shielded and provided by their (rich) parents. Now they are entitled because "mommy" shields her adult child from life's hardships and the kids will become the next generation of entitled.
Great advice.
The first rule of successfully working for a living is the understanding that you have to do work. And if they think it is hard to actually work - wait until they try being an entrepreneur.
There is a see-saw that must be balanced. Employers and employees need to work together and have respect both ways.
A great start is to really iron out the contract and what is expected on both sides. During the interview, the potential employee must ask the potential employer questions as well. Interviews are not a one-way street.
What I have discovered over my decades of working is that saying "yes" to an additional task once, is that it can end up being more than a one-off, and when you eventually say "I'd love to, but I can't do it this time", you're the one with the bad attitude! That is wrong.
This is related to the reduction or elimination of remote work. Getting people back in the office fosters professional development for people just starting their careers, no matter what generation they belong to.
The greatest among us is servants of all.
I work under those conditions- it's self employment. But then the customer becomes the boss.
Gen Z will call mother when you fire them. They want you to talk to their mother.
I'm Gen X. I hated corporate culture, so I started my own business. I expect my employees to behave themselves, within reason. So far, every Gen Z employee has been a complete failure and disapointment who thinks they can do whatever the hell they want. Most of the late millennials, and some of the early ones, also suck. I make it clear in my advertising, pre-interviews, and interviews what I expect. I spell it out. I make the job sound super hard. I give them a specific list of acceptable clothing and hair styles, I don't just say "business casual" or something vague like that. The first day, half of them show up in pajamas with uncombed hair in their eyes. Nearly all the rest also don't make it past the first week. I pay more than double minimum wage, so that's not the problem.
Brilliant 👏
This is expected. I am surprised that "Oggy and the Cockroaches - Jack's Nephew", "Cell" {2016} and "It's Our World (Steve Cutts / Yann Tiersen)" last that long.
The good news here is knowing that it doesn’t take much to rise above the average employee. Not much at all.
Beginning a career and feeling entitled to do everything their way? Refusing to follow protocols?
To be a great leader, you must be able to follow. Humility is the secret weapon. You disqualify yourself from leadership (or ownership) when you refuse to follow.
Thinking entrepreneurship and self employment is the answer? Yet, no doubt expecting to have others work for you and follow your lead? Good luck.
Thanks from Italy.
Through my career in coding for almost 21 years , I’ve been lucky to work for companies that hired you for your knowledge and skill, plus had no real dress code.. only real dress code was no shorts or open toe.
You have to find the companies that fit you but I agree you have to be professional. Also keep learning even outside of the job. I’ve learned other programming skills through personal projects because a job isn’t autonomy.. and the company has particular requirements.. sure you could suggest a path but it needs to benefit the company in some way that the bosses can see the possible returns.
Corporations openly age discriminate and downsize seasoned developers, engineers, technicians, and managers only to hire as one commenter stated "openly lazy, whiny, arrogant, entitled generation" of "workers". There is no wonder everything is falling apart, I read an article about iOS 18 being incompatible with Apple's latest iPad Pro with M4 chip but working fine on the older models. That is absolutely ridiculous, companies like Apple and Sony were known for producing quality products but nowadays they're just pushing junk on the market and releasing patches every week it seems like everyone else...
If people are still buying it doesn't make sense for them to over invest. After Steve Jobs, Apple does not innovate, they just try to get the most money
My first idea, this is not how much time, but how much money for doing the job. I remember to understand how some software analystes were exceptional, I understood how I was good when I saw the size of their house. In fact, I paid their houses. When they fired me, they had fired themselves too, but they whined to not find enough good software developers like them. Everything in a projet starts with money, you have to be critical on this point. If you are poor and work hard, this is not you the problem so don't act fool about that. Learn to live with people living on eart. You need to ask how much your employer is ready to deserve for each point. You don't beg, you ask him to not beg free requirements like a quality from him. He need to feel he is begging your instead of giving something.
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Let me fix this for you:
A lot of Gen Z previous to uni and corporate world have never really held down a JOB !!!
Maybe summer jobs or part-time jobs but never a full time job
There fixed it for u
there has been issues with employees new to the work force since forever. but the business model has been exceedingly skewed towards business preferences for years. it finally levelled out near the millennium ... the fact that new hires still have issues fitting in should not be a surprise. we are not going back to the fifties
An employee is a service provider, an employer is a customer. Ether can agree to end or maintain the relationship. It’s that simple. Labour laws are mostly 🐂 droppings today.
Camera looking crispy! What focal length is it?
Shooting on a 24-70 f2.8 ... this was about 35mm.
@@StefanMischook 🔥
If I don't get a raise that competes with inflation, I show up a few minutes late, and the quality goes down in my work. I value my labor and my time. It's the companies responsibility to reciprocate through monetary means. Professionalism is only valued when you're the boss.
I think it is amazing how many words you said without conveying any meaning.
I should go into politics!
That’s not political. That’s a lack of home training.
As a 51 year old, 30+ year IT guy, Both employee and employer must adapt.
I don't think it's political either but I also don't think this is a real thing. If this wasn't caught in the interview process that speaks more about the employer than the one they let go.
You got your foot in the door at a very different time boomer
@@Not-Getting-Political-Anymore The youngest boomers were born in 1963. Do the math. Someone 51 was born around 1973. All of this generational squabble seems to be endemic to the U.S., going back to the 60's. The most recent trend is to talk about how gen A (basically children) is deficient due to the poor parenting of their millennial parents. I don't know how old you are, but if you live long enough there will be folks saying the same about your generation.
Yep I was a manager, would rather have a humble, willing to Learn person, then an arrogant know it all
My son is Gen Z and he is graduating university this year. He has been working as an intern since beginning of his second year and now that he wants to do his masters, told his company that he wants to focus on that. They offered him a flexible arrangement and more money because of his work ethic, hard work and results. The other 4 interns in his group they were fired because of their typical z behaviour.
I think their behaviour and attitudes tend to be stem from how the parents bring them up and how they perceive work and respect of others. I don't need to explain anymore.
Remember there’s a time where people in the dating scene are bad mouthing the shit out of the opposite gender? It’s the same thing all over again, only this time between the old and young people
If this gentleman has tattoos, they are mercifully covered. To me he is not a follower. He sees no value spending thousands on something that is a fad. The next fad? Tattoo removal, which cost much more than being tattooed.
Some people just aren't corporate material and shouldn't work there.
They shouldn't do all those diversity hires! Mostly diversity hires are the issues. They are making all the other majority regular hires look extremely bad. ESG needs to be removed also as a criteria for judging companies.
I agree, but even before the advent of DEI, I noticed a sharp decline in the critical thinking abilities of new hires.
You get there on time every day and be professional. Bosses put together a clique that are unprofessional, constantly late and can't finish what they started. Those are the ones that get promoted.
If you a want to create an economy where customers are a burden to you, then you have no excuse why customer satisfaction makes you a job cut.
All you need to hold a job down is to get on with everyone and earn more than you are paid.
Sadly apparently not so easy to find employees like that any more. (Reflections from someone recently retired.)
Not calling names is a deal breaker.
Every generation complains about the next generation. This is no different.
ur too funny, keep it up uncle stef and thanks for the great advice (especially regarding Ruby 💩)
I don't have much work experience. I definitely struggle being professional.
It is a mental thing. I am sure that there are good kids among the Gen-Z.
But... some of them? They never learned to understand work ethics.
I just hope that many can adjust to the reality that work sucks. And you have to follow certain expectations.
I could never work in the US. There are workers rights in the US too, incl the firing process. But it's not enforced, and now even the workers are saying "it's just normal"? When I can't leave on the spot, it comes with huge benefits. Nobody sees it as a violation of our rights. The system is beneficiary to both sides, employers have time to replace critical workers too. If you don't want that added security in life, you can sign up as a contractor, where you exchange some of those rights and other benefits for additional salary. There is also a "trial period" where rights are much reduced.
Our US (and other nationalities) regular workers are humble and easy to get along. When we get US folk into manager/higher positions, they're never there for long (here) because they add so much toxicity to the workplace. But they do get the same security, they can't be fired on the fly. Even if a replacement is found quickly, they can come to an agreement that paychecks continue for the rest of the period but not show up.
Added security in life, less anxiety, employer don't have leverage. But I can't walk out just because I feel like it? Yeah, I'll take it! For anyone sane, that is a positive, not a negative. If it is particularly bad, provide documentation and you can get out on sick leave. Employer don't get to see the reason, but its common courtesy to inform the higher ups and/or HR on what went wrong.
I’m OG, 59 and in manufacturing. Jets specifically. You outsiders tend to generalize manufacturing as “dumb monkeys’ however there are reasons, rules, specs for EVERYTHING. Including paint drying temp, composition, how to acquire, approved vendors, disposal, etc etc. ad nauseaum. All these processes are required to know and/or understand for your job. New hires (all ages) like to gripe and say I didn’t sign up for this. Uh, yes you did. Everyone wants my max pay without any skills and knowledge and time on the job. Many quickly do the human equivalent of “least work, most pay” I get it, we all do it at times. We have whole crews that are like that. Starts with management. Unfortunately the last 20 years a lot of management came from these slackers and don’t workers so they continue the cycle only worse.
If it was about making other peoples lives easier I think we would have less automated phone calls when we’re trying to contact a company.
Companies get their panties in a bunch because reciprocity isn't working for them. What a shocker.
Do you seriously think that the companies are asking anything of the sort like 'how can we help our employees'?
NO, it's obvious if you fired people for something you could clearly train them in.
It's about the bottom line, for workers now too. It's clearly mere transactional relationships.
My industry has a hard time finding young employees who can pass the drug screen. My brother wirks in a different industry and has the same issue.
THEY HAVE NEVER LEARNED WHAT A PROTOCOL IS.
Their logic is they don’t want to be overworked and underpaid . The whole business has always been this way and people ONLY TOLERATE it because everyone was doing the same. We have grown accustomed to a slave, to not question and to go what life thrown at us. But they are wrong at the part where you could leave at anytime.
Totally agree 👍👍😉
If you want people to behave in a “professional” manner, pay them “professional” pay (enough to own a home and car)
My experience of some of them in dev is that they are emotionally fragile and lack any resilience.
Blame the parents. This didn't come out of nowhere.
I like to learn coding not to get a job but to build all ideas I have in my mind. What you think about it? Most videos I see online are meant to get jobs.
Start with the fundamentals and then go from there.
Even if you learn things that are supposed to get you a job, wouldn't that mean you are able to write code like a professional?
My dad learned at the age of 10 or so, that if he didn't show up well, and provide value to someone, he wouldn't get to go to the arcade. I didn't learn that until I was in my mid 20s.
My kid will learn that as fast as I can reasonably allow. You've got enough shit to deal with in your 20s. But he won't want anything if he has infinite entertainment at home for free on a phone.
I'll probably let phones be used for parent-contact only. I'll train him useful shit on the computer. But if you want to have fun, you'll have to go find someone else. And convince them to give you money.
Great attitude, your kid will be set up for life!
"Large Language Models and The End of Programming - CS50 Tech Talk with Dr. Matt Welsh" -- CS50. Wish them well...
I work for my job not for other people
I retired eight years ago from my banking career. I started seeing the decline in qualified management trainees back then, and now as a customer, it is so much worse. Totally agree with you.
Pleaseeee what is song at end of video, cant find it with Shazam .....
im learning html 5 with uncle stef..
i equate coding with english, theyre both analytic and i had to learn them both,
My mother tongue is portuguese and i think funny you englsh speaking guys saying exuberant and other latin words hahahhahha
English language borrowed a wide variety of Latin and French words. And its grammar is based on Latin grammar. That's why.
@@MuhammadArslan-px1sm sorta based on latin grammar; and the words totally and heavely borrowed from greco latin and french respective lexicon s
@@MuhammadArslan-px1sm and muhammad, html is easy right?
@@contasemperfil linguistics nerd spotted. Looks like we're on the same boat
@@contasemperfil everything is easy. If You just put time and effort then everything flows smoothly.
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