Jeffrey Ponting: It’s always best to hide behind a big stack of telephone books. Two will be sufficient for 22 cal, but 6 or 8 for 30 cal, but they’re very difficult to find these days and awkward to carry to the supermarket where you’re most likely to get shot.
At the Springfield Armory Museum there's an eye-opening display about the M1's penetration capability vs the M14, through hardwood. It would change a lot of opinions about what is "cover" and what is "concealment". Bullets are more powerful than most people think. Rifles are no joke. Those things can shoot through _trees_ .
You obviously haven't seen enough TV show or movies. The good guys have no problems hiding behind saplings, then again they are usually a lot skinnier than I am.
My favorite story growing up my Grandpa would tell me was about him and his brother shooting his m1 Grande in .30-06. At an old 30s - 50s car abandoned in the woods and having the round go clean into and out of the cast iron engine block like butter... Ever sense hearing that i wanted an m1. 2020 is the year it become true. Rip papa.
Perfect do everything round. Heavy enough for elk and moose and most bears, won't mangle a deer or antelope, and turns coyotes into Davy Crockett hats. Love my 06
Nice, .o6 !! It's what my dad used...I Truly believe what U say, they don't go 10 yards if any at all !! KUDOS...This deer season, my cousin had to run at top speed for at least a mile to track the deer blood, w/ 30 30.. His party had to go to where he brought it to the trail, cuz again, he had to run it down too much...If he used the .o6, he wouldn't have to track it down or just a little tracking it.. Take care Ed :):)
When it came out it was considered a fast round and was for the times. Men used against bear, moose, elk etc. because they were accustomed to getting close to game anyway it did the job. Now people want to see how far away they can shoot an animal and probably wound more than they kill. But they don't show those on TV and RUclips. I've had guys tell me that the 30-30 is only good for 100 yards on whitetails but I've yet to have one take me up on going out to 200 yards and bend over to see if I can make that shot. I've owned and shot all kinds of calibers because I like guns of all sorts. But I still make time for 1950's model 336R that was my first deer rifle handed down from my dad.
It's kind of cool that I found this video from 6 years ago, and able to join the conversation! My grandfather taught me to shoot, hunt deer & turkey & boar & squirrels, and to lead a pack of beagles on rabbit hunts. For deer he started me on a Marlin 30-30. After a while he taught me to shoot at distance with a Remington 30.06 He taught me to select the correct rifle for the terrain and the environment for the hunt. The 30-30 was for hunting in the woods or thickets. and the 30.06 was for open ridgelines and felds. Just like all the other lessons he taught me, they proved to be invaluable. I was fortunate enough to have a successful career with these tenets serving as the foundation. Thank you for drumming up these memories. 🤙🏽
What the hell is WRONG with you people??? Seriously, why would you talk crap about this guy's video? He wanted to see what these three very common, very popular hunting cartridges would do to 3 cast iron skillets. So he set them up and shot them! Period. End of story. He's not trying to win a Nobel prize for physics. He's not running for political office. He's not submitting his video for "Video of the Year." He's not developing his own wildcat cartridge. He's not trying to sell his guns to you. He's just shooting skillets to see what happens. Damn. Few things are more worthless than self-appointed RUclips critics.
You're welcome WHO_TEE_WHO. I LIKE your video, and I really don't know why ANYONE would have a problem with it. It's not a super sophisticated "test" or anything. It doesn't really teach us a whole lot about the ballistics involved. But...who cares??? Shooting guns if fun, and watching someone shoot guns is fun! And that's enough. I've always wanted to line up a bunch of car batteries and see how many a rifle cartridge will penetrate.
Because Jake, the people posting crap here are anonymous pussies hiding behind user names. The internet has provided us with a generation of cowards who would never say anything like this to a person's face.
I was surprised at the performance of the .30-30. The old classic deer hunting round turned in a better performance than I expected. It was worth watching just to learn that. The skillets stood up better than I expected, too. I personally would have used new skillets for each test to eliminate any changes in metal characteristics due to shock, microfractures, etc. But that's due to hanging around in engineering facilities for over 30 years. This was probably NOT the case, given the consistency of penetration and hole size/shape for all rounds. I love my .308, but I may have to get another .30-30, partly for old times sake and partly because of this video. I do wonder about the distance to target, though. THANKS for a fun and enlightening video ! ! !
While it was all in good fun and I found it an entertaining video, you'd need to have more skillets to compare the ultimate performance of how much cast iron it takes to stop each bullet. Otherwise it's a bit like shooting a paper target and noticing the holes are all about the same size.
Cast iron is an amorphous material, so even within one skillet you'll find nonuniformities. Staying near the edges was a good call on his part, the extra material there probably reduced the overall damage. Blowing out the entire center of the back skillet would have been a fun way to end the video, though...
Great practical information. Real world trumps a gun book write up any day. Thanks very much for the effort and presentation. I’ve been shooting for over 50 years and appreciate the practical demonstration. The ‘06 even demonstrated improved expansion as would be expected.
I bought a 30-30 thinking that it was significantly less powerful than a .308. After firing it (and seeing this video) I have concluded that there is less difference than previously thought.
Something that testers normally don't cover, is the effect of projectile construction. A harder , thicker jacketed slug of the same weight traveling slower will penetrate farther, that a softer slug that is designed to fragment that is going at a higher speed. So with that in mind, one needs to pick the right tool for the job. I was able to reload my 30-06 with a Speer 110 gr half jacketed hollow point. With 4 grs of imr 7625, and a half sheet of tp to hold the powder against the primer... It would only go through one side of an empty 55 gallon drum.. But it worked well on squirrels.
@David Zimmerman, The .30-06 was already a classic hunting round right after WWI even, that was the reason why the .300 Savage was created in 1920, for basically the same idea why the .308 was created, to get .30-06 ballistics out of a shorter case.
@@mikepetersons1319 Considering over the first 60-70 years the most economical rifle to have and most common is that Lever 30-30. Yea, its taken down more deer.
Would those holes be as large if the skillets were further apart?.... The reason I am asking is because I think the slug is pushing iron from one skillet to the next....
Yes, they would be as large. You see, the velocity of the bullet has everything to do with the size of the holes. The faster the bullet moves, the smaller the hole is. In the first pan, the hole is small because the bullet moves faster than the shock wave the bullet creates because the shockwave is the speed of sound, and the bullet is flying super-sonic. This means only a small amount of energy is lost in the first penetration. The bullet is traveling slower, though. Probably sub-sonic at this point. This means that the energy is traveling at about the speed of sound, and takes longer to exit the second pan, meaning more energy from the bullet goes into the pan. By the time it goes into the third pan, the bullet is traveling very slowly. In short, the slower the bullet travels, the more energy is lost in the form of kinetic soundwaves rippling through the metal of the pan. Fast bullets only touch the pan for a short time, leaving a small hole from the small amount of energy lost. The third pan has the biggest hole because the bullet is traveling slowly and stays in contact with the pan for a longer time. An example of this type of concept can be seen in bullets hitting metal plates. Slower bullets leave large dents when they do not penetrate a sheet of steel, but very fast bullets poke holes with no dents in the metal. Another example is the entry and exit wounds on soft material. The bullet dumps energy as it slows down into the surrounding tissue, which gets spread out over a wider and wider area. If it is allowed to exit the other side, it usually leaves behind a larger hole than when it entered. This whole post describes a concept that is usually restricted to super-sonic projectiles. Sub-sonic projectiles tend to act differently.
Well I guess it would be hard to argue against noon noob's prognosis. It sounds pretty plausible to me. The missing centre pan material for the -06 I suspect is because it is near to the damage done by the .308, & that damage had cracked out around the .308 hole weakening the pan.
I think it would be interesting to see if there would be enough stability in the the skillets after the first was hit due to the force of the impact on each subsequent skillet. I would think the force of the impact would spin the skillet and cause each subsequent hit to be off course.
That makes no sense. Its not "pushing" anything because there isn't anything to push. Its blasting it to dust. Cast iron is very brittle. Its just shattering to bits. There is nothing pushing anything.
@David Gonzales My friend let me shoot one at a tree in PA it is powerful,first time for me too,he would shoot deer and would go to Wyoming for Elk if I remember correctly.
Americans are so poor, it's all they can afford. Considering if the US made them, they'd be say what, 4 times the price for the same thing? It's why China is going to win the trade war. They simply do it cheaper. Like ALL your mobile phones....guess where they're manufactured???? You honestly think people are going to pay, say, 4 times the amount (4k$) for the latest iphone or samsung 'built' in America in some illegal labour sweatshop? Fuck no. China has the US by the BALLS.
? I'm Australian, i don't really have a dog in the fight. I took the OP's statement as an 'anti China' remark. Not many seem to realize that the ONLY reason the US became great, was WW2. Having the manufacturing capabilities to basically 'war profiteer' off the world after WW2 because Europe's manufacturing capabilities were destroyed, and they were paying back Lend-Lease loans to the US. The US's golden years were at the expense of a LOT of the world. And Trump has the gall to chastise Europe for treating the US unfairly in trade. Europe REMEMBERS what pretty much amounted to US extortion after WW2. Too many US citizens either don't know, or try to erase the sins of the past. Or just plain expect other countries to 'cop it in the ass and like it' 'cause we'z da Americans!!! Greatest exploiters in the world!!!
For our terrain the 30-30 is the best setup. Gets through the brush easy and takes a deer down no sweat. My Model 94 is from the 40's and has been my best friend in the field.
Cool vid, the beauty of the 06 is being able to load up some higher grain bullets and increased case capacity. Buffalo Bore loads up to damn near to 300WSM maybe even 300WM power in a 30-06. One of the most versatile rifle rounds in the world, maybe just rouds period (next to 357 Mag and 12 ga.)
Great video, and very entertaining. I was actually surprised by the results, which always makes a video better if you ask me. Keep up the good work, sir.
Cool video! The 30-30 acquitted itself very well among the two more powerful calibers. Used to shoot IHMSA 200 meter handgun matches with a TC Contender in 30-30. It's a very potent calibdr in a handgun, and I came up with a very accurate handload. Easy to reload too.
So Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future III would be dead, I guess. So much for Hollywood. Guess Mythbusters doesn't have to test this since this guy just did.
I've had a Marlin 336-a (24 inch barrel, PG stock, 2/3 magazine) for about 45 years. I've had other rifles as well, but that Marlin was the most user-friendly, very quick to get in action rifle I've ever had. Surprisingly accurate too. I used to practice shooting at 10 inch paper plates 300 yards (measured) away. I could get every shot in the magazine in a 7 to 8 inch circle at that range. I had replaced the rear sight with a Marble's Full Buckhorn one, which would be now considered a sort of "ghost ring" sight. I used Remington 170 grain Core-Loct ammunition, as it was the most accurate I ever found.
So I guess we learn that if you hunt frying pans instead of hunting a critter and cooking it in the frying pan, you can use pretty much any .30 rifle successfully. Good to know.
Very impressive results! I have never been mad enough at my Lodge pans to do that! But....the next time I have one that food keeps sticking to, will find its way to the range! Love the look of that Winchester! What a beauty! Thanks for sharing!
Isaiah Hansel Yeah I know. They didn't look like Lodge handles. I was just saying that I only have Lodge and some very old Griswold and wouldn't be mad enough at them to shoot them! Lol!
Once upon a time, I deer hunted with a old fellow we called the “Toothless Wonder” or aka “TW.” He did not have any teeth in his head and he was crossed eye until Medicare fixed his sight when he was in his seventh decade. In the mean time, ole TW hunted with a lever action 30-30 with a box of cartridges that dated to middle of the 1960’s. I do not know how old the rifle was. Never ask him about it. TW would only load one round of ammunition in his rifle at a time. He would carry the round that he was going to hunt with that year in his pocket during October to have it shined by opening day in November. When you heard him shoot, there was meat on the ground ~ preference being a young tender doe. Ole TW was the inventor of “one shot / one kill” long before some hotshot thought it up.
Fantastic! Those should be mounted on the wall, so they can be examined and talked about for years to come. Love the Ruger, you can carry it in the field and not really worry about scuffing it up....clean, smooth lines, eady to handle....great rifle.
Enjoyed this video, would have liked to see him use the same brand of bullets for all 3 riffles. I think a Remington Corelock is a better bullet than a Winchester super x
That Model 94 is a sexy beast. That stock is beautiful! I'm a 3006 fan though. I just love the available range of bullets you can get for it. It's about the perfect 1 rifle choice a man can make.
Josey Wales never had problem with range with a 30 30 I mean at 50 yards what else does a guy need if ya can't get that close well there's always knitting
jeremy scriver I mean range of bullet weights. You can load anything from coyote loads to bear and moose. A 3030 will go a whole lot farther than 50 yards by the way. My longest shot ever was 90 yards. We don't get a lot of long shots where I live on deer. The timber is too thick.
Very similar results with all 3 as I would have guessed much more expansion with the 30.06 but just me....There was more damage but nothing crazy....Good testing as you are going to need more Cast Iron pans on your next camping trip or hunting expedition now.....LOL....Good stuff....
Consider ease of loading, iron sights., and the wood stock. The 1894 is the superior device. No bolt, no need for weed grabbing optic unit, magazine capacity, reload simplicity.
Had always wanted a 30-30 but Pop told me the 30-06 was more versatile with bullet grains and load. He also told me, in his opinion, the 30-30 was basically a deer rifle for short ranges - whereas the 30-06 was good for more than 300 yards. Can testify the I've shot mulies at the 350 yard range with dead-on accuracy. Thanks for the video. Gave me a representation of the 30-30 vs 30-06 was like. Now if you had a larger mass comparison to show knock-down power, am guessing the 30-30 would be lacking in that department in comparison to the 30-06. ;)
Nice comment, I'm a 30 30 man my self just for the opposite reason I shoot in brush at close range at multiple targets on foot. I would take 30 06 for anything at long open range
There is no rifle to compare to the 30-06 for flexibility. You can go to Walmart (in the US) and buy more different bullet weights for the 30-06 than any other caliber.....from 120 gn up
A Hertzian cone is the cone produced when an object passes through a solid, such as a bullet through glass. More technically, it is a cone of force that propagates through a brittle, amorphous or cryptocrystalline solid material from a point of impact. This force eventually removes a full or partial cone in the material.
Contrary to ballistics the 30.30 is slower but it has more put down power at 100 yard's than faster ammo. It's the shock and I have used all and the 30.30 has put more deer down on the spot rather than the others running maybe 70 yard's. Fact
I heard T-Fal cookware is more bullet resistant. That ultra non-stick cooking surface really gets the job done. Seriously though, that was very cool what you did here.
Please do a video showing a 30-06, shooting a carbonated soda or beer, when the can is balanced on top,of a watermelon. During hunters safety they did this and told this story behind it. Down pressure, a hunter shot a can of beer off his friends head, William Tell style. The shot hit the can as expected but the can shot down into his hunting partners head. They shot the can on the watermelon 🍉 and the can was in the ground after going through the watermelon.
I've done this with a metal coffee can full of water, with a penny under it sitting on a brick. It will put a perfect imprint of the penny on the bottom of the coffee can.
I believe that by the time you got to the 30--06, there could have been unseen fractures in the pans that cause the center pan to break the way it did.
@@pugetsoundknappers4234 but for stopping power in a last resort self-defense against imminent danger, it's the size of the exit wound that matters more.
@@rayray8687 Yep, they are indeed domestic cattle. At some point in their lives they are slaughtered for their meat. Both of the Hereford bulls (and one steer) where slaughtered by professionals using .22 shorts. They used them because 1) they were extremely effective 2) they were in relatively close proximity to houses (subdivisions) and 3) very inexpensive. The point I was making was that a well-place shot with a very small caliber round is quite effective, more so that an ill-place shot of a large caliber. I'm a lifelong hunter - modern firearm, black powder and archery. And I'm a former Marine Officer and WDFW Chief Hunter Safety Instructor. When asked what the 'best caliber' is for big game in North America my response is and always will be "the largest caliber you can shoot comfortably and ACCURATELY". I've personally know hunters who consistently took large mule deer with one shot from a .22-250 in a state where .22 centerfires are legal. I've know other hunter who used .257 Roberts, .270 and other sub .30 caliber rounds to take elk and bear. And part of Hunter Safety Instruction is hunting 'ethics'. And part of hunting ethics is humanely dispatching the game - one shot, one kill. Big game have a remarkable ability to absorb ill-placed shots, large exit hole or not. I will take a well placed .223 round long before I would an ill-placed .338 round. Outside of the Military I've found few people who can shoot the larger calibers as consistently and accurately as they can a smaller caliber. And still others who opt for larger calibers to compensate for lack of accuracy due to insufficient practice. There are definitely exceptions, but in my experience, they are exceptions. ps 12 gauge double-ought buckshot doesn't leave an large exit hole unless it is a contact shot, but its stopping power inside 30 ft is considerable!
Puget Sound Knappers: I wouldn’t argue with you on any of that but I will say that shooting a bovine in the head at contact distance doesn’t really qualify as a good choice for hunting large animals. Also I honestly thought that everyone today used a spike gun but obviously not. When I was much younger living in an area of small farms, the animal’s head was smashed in with a sledgehammer and it’s throat cut immediately. Very quick kill. I’ve fired a 30-06, 303, 308, 22, .17, BB gun, pop gun, 12 gauge buckshot (knocked me on my ass at age 15), Lee-Enfield Mk1 and a beautiful old ‘94 Winchester 30-30. If I had my druthers I’d choose that Winchester bush gun over all the others any day. But then, as you’ve suggested, you need to learn how to shoot. Caliber is something, but placement is everything. I had it pounded into my head before I was ever allowed to touch a gun that we didn’t hunt to hang elephant heads on our wall, we hunted to use what we killed. I no longer hunt but I’m very glad to hear that you and most others are ethical and responsible hunters.
With the same bullet weight, the 308 and the 30-06 are essentially the same gun. Because of the larger case, the 30-06 just offers a wider range of bullet weights it can effectively shoot.
Out in Wyoming '76, used my near used up 19th century 7mm Mauser sporterized military rifle w/iron sights to ice huge mule tail buck running full blower quartering to right using 1 shot at half a mile. As rancher & son who was spotting had observed, he took his fancy rig down above fireplace, replaced w/Mauser, and waited for wise ass to comment at supper...didn't take long! He splained to him how the shot was made that hit the huge mullie hangin' up out front, that bullet had hit high in back, broke near all guts, went right thru heart, and exited front of deer. Rancher then asked the young hunter "Do you have a problem with that?? The youngster who had just called the rifle a POS and been neutered in front of 14 other hunters for his trouble, just calmly asked the rancher "Is the rifle for sale"?? Upshot is caliber, powder loading, and zachary what kind of shiny shootin' iron is used is not critical, what is most important is know your rifle, AND JUST WERE THAT BULLET MIGHT BE GOING!!
here is my guess. you didn't mention range so I'm adding that in my guesses. 50 yes all 3 go through 100 yards 30/30 maybe 308/3006 through. 150 30/30 no go, 308and 3006 through 250 yards 308 and 3006 through 450 yards 308 no go 3006 through 500 yards 3006 no go
30.30 is effective for big game but I would hesitate at 200 yards especially elk. 30.06 is the best for big game and has range if one has skill out to 400- 500 yards which I do not recommend for most people. 7mm Remington I wonder what it would do the skillets. Iron is brittle so punching holes is not surprising. Try steel plate 3/8 or 1/2 inch at 50 yards.
30-30 is a great brush gun. Heavy 150 grain rounds and more than enough power to drop a deer at 50 yards, which is a normal shooting distance here in the east coast mountains.
Well, what I was *really* hoping would happen is, all those 80s episodes of 'The A-Team' would be proven correct, with the three layers of cast iron coming through completely unscathed, having utterly deflected every caliber of round... So much for 'poor man's A-Team body armor'! Lol! Maybe they went through because you didn't weld the pans together? 😆
Years and years ago, early to mid 60s, most of deer hunting friends had 30-30s, if you were lucky enough to be able to afford to buy a 30.06, you were kinda elite and really prized the rifle. In gun case and in sight for all to see. Not that the 30-30 was shabby by any standards. They were more prominent in area I lived in. We didn't bother the gun case and didn't jack with any firearms in them. You could open up case and admire the rifles, but only if adult was present could you hold and shoulder them. We would get beat if those rules weren't followed. Time out was the end of a belt.
They probably asked if they were faulty and he said yes so they gave him back his money. Then they raised the price of frying pans by 10 cents to recover their loses.
I've long felt that the 30-30 is an excellent home/property defense round. This video confirms it further. Also, a lever action rifle is not as likely to be viewed as negatively by others the way black rifles are.
Those who view the black rifle negatively, who cares what Idiots think ? Old Nam Vet , got my fill of those people, 50 years ago and don't care what those brained washed Idiots think.
victor castle My point was that in liberal places like CA and the east coast, lever guns are probably less likely to be legislated in the future the way AR type rifles are today. For someone who can only afford one rifle and wants a good all around firearm for hunting and home defense, a lever action 30-30 is a viable option and can be run very quickly with practice.
that makes zero sense to shoot a caliber that can potential travel through the home invader then through our paper thin walls into your children's bedrooms or the neighbors house. imagine the liberals reaction to the headlines man shoots intruder with high powered rifle also striking the neighbors house! they will have a field day with that one
@Aziryse why do you need 17 rounds? Seems you need to be practicing a little more than you have... I'll stick with what gets the job done....You can keep your 40 and all the rounds that go with it ..
@Aziryse depends on how well you can shoot not only in the light but also in the dense dark...I have 1 in the tube and 7 in the clip...I can handle any situation and hit very well
That first pan is just right for camp fire for a no grease cooking just right for bacon self cleaning drips grease on fire leaves no residue behind !!!!🤔
I like the 3030... before the video. I guess 3006 will bang it. Love Winchester 94 brush gun. It is nice... any of these rounds will change your day if you get hit.
Truth. Anyone that has to remove a cast iron tub, will definitely agree. I remember smacking our old tub with a 8 pound sledge to remove it. It shattered when we started hitting it and broke into pieces.
Cast iron isn't fragile so much as it is brittle. It is extremely hard with a 2-4% carbon content, which is higher than most industrial tool steels at 1-2%. It doesn't take shock all that well and tends to chip and fracture before it bends, flexes, or dents.
The shape of the 30-30 round (more rounded and snub nosed) would flatten out more on impact, giving the larger entry hole on the front skillet. Also, the round was placed further away from the contour of the bottom of the pan. The round was also more centrally-located relative to the center of the handles which the pans were suspended from, giving a more uniform and concentric entry and exit from first to last pan. Both the .308 and 30-06 rounds were not placed as central to the suspension point so there was a twisting action of the pans on impact of the rounds as they traveled through one pan into the next. Also, being too close to the bottom/side edge of the pan would also have an effect on the outcome. At any rate, it shows the .308 & 30-06 are very similar in the effect they have not just on cast iron skillets but in use in the field or on the battlefield.
tbf the cartridges they were using would be black powder, and large caliber pistol cartridges to boot. It wouldnt surprise me if slow, fat rounds like that could be stopped.
Every movie that ever had a cast iron pan in the line of fire bounced bullets like Superman! Basically bullets are drawn to them just so they can be deflected
Chris I am no racest either but I'd think the 30-06 would be a good round to kill one of those old black pot belly stoves but I think they are on the endangered species list it be good for duch oven also
It appears i'm a little late for this discussion. But I feel that I too have a right to my opinion. Great vid Boss! Answered absolutely every question I had about those three rounds, out of those three rifles against those three skillets!! Thank you so much for the brilliant use of my time! Subbed.
Now you know why the M1 Garrand was in .30-06! Even though the damage to the pans seemed somewhat similar, it rounds are completely different especially in range distances. Also the 2nd and 3rd shores hit near the rolled edge where the metal is stronger. The 30-30 is fairly equivalent to the 7.62x39 where 300 meters is its effective range. The 30-30 is made for a brush gun where it burst through vegetation to get close range game. The .308 is more of a do all round but. An still reach out to 1000 meters and slightly beyond when loaded correctly. It stabilizes well with good oomph and is the predominant sniper round in the US. The .30-06 is the power and distance king. That’s why so many of the newer rounds coming out are compared to it.
M1 garand 30-06 rounds were full metal jacket. NOT looking to put big holes in guys....just hoping to put a lot of holes in a bunch of guys during an attack with one bullet. they had eight rounds and it got a little tense.
You wrote " the 30-30 is made for a brush gun". When the 30-30 (30WCF) was introduced it was probably the best long range cartridge available. Possibly surpassed by the 25-35, but thats a different topic. 30-30 became known as a brush gun after moer advanced cartridges were created and popularized. Many compare the 30-30 to a 7.62x39 however in the right rifle, "Savage 99", and loaded with equivalent 125 or 150gr spitzer bullets, and modern powders, the 30-30 puts the 7.62x39 to shame. And very nearly produces the terminal performance of some factory 308 loads.
I don’t think you mentioned the distance shots were taken at. Just curious, great video, honestly didn’t think the 30/30 would go through all 3. Nice surprise.
When I was in High School during an Elk hunt I witnessed a fellow with a old octagon barreled Model 94 30-30 dump a big bull Elk at a dead run with about a 50 yard head shot! Myself and the other 2 hunters never even got a shot off with our "modern" scoped high powered rifles! It was obvious that guy knew that gun! So a couple of years later I bought my own Model 94 30-30. In the ensuing years that gun reliably took Mule Deer, Pronghorn and Elk! Very accurate and effective out to 200 yards. A few Pronghorn beyond that! I made a point of learning that gun so that I know it as well as that fellow did his! It is still my "Go to" rifle 60 years later. The thing that I have always admired about it is when I shoulder it and lay my cheek against the stock both front and rear sights are perfectly aligned with my eye! Have no idea if that happens with anyone else! In short, anyone who believes the 30-30 is outdated is kidding himself!
Smoke pouring from frying pans is totally normal, it happens to my wife all the time.
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Not touching that with a 10 ft. pole
Not when I hit my wife.
Crackles McFarly very small caliber
@Mikeel Kinzey she knows her place like most Broads do.
If someone is shooting at you with .30 caliber rifles don't hide behind cast iron skillets.
Jeffrey Ponting cast iron anything 👍👏🙂
Jeffrey Ponting: It’s always best to hide behind a big stack of telephone books. Two will be sufficient for 22 cal, but 6 or 8 for 30 cal, but they’re very difficult to find these days and awkward to carry to the supermarket where you’re most likely to get shot.
If you do, your goose is cooked.
R C Nelson: As long as your cook isn’t goosed you’re ok.
No. Even small trees will not help.
Finally. I can't tell you how many pans I've hunted and got away from me. Switching calibers for sure!
At the Springfield Armory Museum there's an eye-opening display about the M1's penetration capability vs the M14, through hardwood. It would change a lot of opinions about what is "cover" and what is "concealment". Bullets are more powerful than most people think. Rifles are no joke. Those things can shoot through _trees_ .
You obviously haven't seen enough TV show or movies. The good guys have no problems hiding behind saplings, then again they are usually a lot skinnier than I am.
@@k.dickie8972 my Daddy always told me to watch more TV!
haha, everyone knows pallets and car doors are enough to stop bullets. I dont need museums and proof, try again sweatie ;)
@@alexsmith2885 wait, why am I sweating
My favorite story growing up my Grandpa would tell me was about him and his brother shooting his m1 Grande in .30-06. At an old 30s - 50s car abandoned in the woods and having the round go clean into and out of the cast iron engine block like butter... Ever sense hearing that i wanted an m1. 2020 is the year it become true. Rip papa.
Well, there goes my idea for using pots and pans for body armor.
underrated comment!
Jerky 😂
PAN SHOT!
That’s what the deer said.
@@e-doc4787 Haha just about to comment that. Good to hear someone else has seen that too lol
Used a .06 my whole life.... Never had to track one. They don't go 10 yards if any at all. I like my 30.06
I never had to track mine at all...it never went anywhere without me, lol.
My Go Too Heavy ? 30-06, Springfield Armory, Marine version, A3-04
Got my .30-06 Tikka 33 years ago and not one regret!!! Beautiful, Accurate and Deadly! Love it.
Perfect do everything round. Heavy enough for elk and moose and most bears, won't mangle a deer or antelope, and turns coyotes into Davy Crockett hats. Love my 06
Nice, .o6 !! It's what my dad used...I Truly believe what U say, they don't go 10 yards if any at all !! KUDOS...This deer season, my cousin had to run at top speed for at least a mile to track the deer blood, w/ 30 30.. His party had to go to where he brought it to the trail, cuz again, he had to run it down too much...If he used the .o6, he wouldn't have to track it down or just a little tracking it.. Take care Ed :):)
IMHO, 30-30 is very underestimated, took a deer every year since I was 12 with a marlin 30-30, 35 years and counting
I need to come hunt with you!
.35 Rem is good too. I have a Marlin 336C.
Very nice !
When it came out it was considered a fast round and was for the times. Men used against bear, moose, elk etc. because they were accustomed to getting close to game anyway it did the job. Now people want to see how far away they can shoot an animal and probably wound more than they kill. But they don't show those on TV and RUclips.
I've had guys tell me that the 30-30 is only good for 100 yards on whitetails but I've yet to have one take me up on going out to 200 yards and bend over to see if I can make that shot.
I've owned and shot all kinds of calibers because I like guns of all sorts. But I still make time for 1950's model 336R that was my first deer rifle handed down from my dad.
West Texan I Love Mine its Original Marlin When It Was Marlin 336SS Western Happy Trigger And Lever Will Never Sell It
It's kind of cool that I found this video from 6 years ago, and able to join the conversation!
My grandfather taught me to shoot, hunt deer & turkey & boar & squirrels, and to lead a pack of beagles on rabbit hunts. For deer he started me on a Marlin 30-30. After a while he taught me to shoot at distance with a Remington 30.06
He taught me to select the correct rifle for the terrain and the environment for the hunt. The 30-30 was for hunting in the woods or thickets. and the 30.06 was for open ridgelines and felds.
Just like all the other lessons he taught me, they proved to be invaluable. I was fortunate enough to have a successful career with these tenets serving as the foundation.
Thank you for drumming up these memories. 🤙🏽
What the hell is WRONG with you people??? Seriously, why would you talk crap about this guy's video? He wanted to see what these three very common, very popular hunting cartridges would do to 3 cast iron skillets. So he set them up and shot them! Period. End of story. He's not trying to win a Nobel prize for physics. He's not running for political office. He's not submitting his video for "Video of the Year." He's not developing his own wildcat cartridge. He's not trying to sell his guns to you. He's just shooting skillets to see what happens. Damn. Few things are more worthless than self-appointed RUclips critics.
Thanks Jake 🖒🖒
You're welcome WHO_TEE_WHO. I LIKE your video, and I really don't know why ANYONE would have a problem with it. It's not a super sophisticated "test" or anything. It doesn't really teach us a whole lot about the ballistics involved. But...who cares??? Shooting guns if fun, and watching someone shoot guns is fun! And that's enough. I've always wanted to line up a bunch of car batteries and see how many a rifle cartridge will penetrate.
That is so funny!!! I literally was at the store pricing car batteries yesterday so we could shoot some!
Because Jake, the people posting crap here are anonymous pussies hiding behind user names. The internet has provided us with a generation of cowards who would never say anything like this to a person's face.
I am a Thompson Center nut, and would love to see the affects of a 7TC on cast iron.
I was surprised at the performance of the .30-30. The old classic deer hunting round turned in a better performance than I expected. It was worth watching just to learn that.
The skillets stood up better than I expected, too. I personally would have used new skillets for each test to eliminate any changes in metal characteristics due to shock, microfractures, etc. But that's due to hanging around in engineering facilities for over 30 years. This was probably NOT the case, given the consistency of penetration and hole size/shape for all rounds.
I love my .308, but I may have to get another .30-30, partly for old times sake and partly because of this video. I do wonder about the distance to target, though.
THANKS for a fun and enlightening video ! ! !
Thanks for watching! Always fun shooting a lever gun
While it was all in good fun and I found it an entertaining video, you'd need to have more skillets to compare the ultimate performance of how much cast iron it takes to stop each bullet. Otherwise it's a bit like shooting a paper target and noticing the holes are all about the same size.
MG50 right & lever guns are just cool if a fan of Louis L'Amour & old westerns.
Cast iron is an amorphous material, so even within one skillet you'll find nonuniformities. Staying near the edges was a good call on his part, the extra material there probably reduced the overall damage. Blowing out the entire center of the back skillet would have been a fun way to end the video, though...
Great practical information.
Real world trumps a gun book write up any day.
Thanks very much for the effort and presentation.
I’ve been shooting for over 50 years and appreciate the practical demonstration.
The ‘06 even demonstrated improved expansion as would be expected.
Pan shot! The Ballad of Buster Skruggs.
BlahBlahBlah Blah it’s Scruggs.
I bought a 30-30 thinking that it was significantly less powerful than a .308. After firing it (and seeing this video) I have concluded that there is less difference than previously thought.
Some of the factory 3030 loads today are punchy! They are approaching 300 Savage performance.
Next video: How to repair a cast iron skillet. 😂😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣 thanks for watching Ronald!
Lol
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Made me laugh so hard hahahahahahahahaha , time to ask weldingtipsandtricks guy he’s super pro with tig mig welding
OR - How to repair THREE cast iron skillets
Something that testers normally don't cover, is the effect of projectile construction.
A harder , thicker jacketed slug of the same weight traveling slower will penetrate farther, that a softer slug that is designed to fragment that is going at a higher speed. So with that in mind, one needs to pick the right tool for the job.
I was able to reload my 30-06 with a Speer 110 gr half jacketed hollow point. With 4 grs of imr 7625, and a half sheet of tp to hold the powder against the primer... It would only go through one side of an empty 55 gallon drum.. But it worked well on squirrels.
I thought the second skillet would stop the round. Was so pleased it went through all three. I have to pick up my 94 after seeing this vid.
30-06 is king! We used it in WWII. Became a classic hunting round when our troops came home
@David Zimmerman, The .30-06 was already a classic hunting round right after WWI even, that was the reason why the .300 Savage was created in 1920, for basically the same idea why the .308 was created, to get .30-06 ballistics out of a shorter case.
I love both my 06 rifles one is bolt and one is pump.
Hell, the 30.06 was modified into the .270win in the 1920's. WWII, hell, 30.06 was a champ before the 1911 was even designed!
my Rock island sported with low 20k #'s is really cool. I'll never sell it.
The 30 30 has killed more deer in history than any other caliber. Probably all calibers combined. Its been killing deer for a 125 years! 1894-2019
I will add the Marlin 30 30 killed more.
In Soviet Russia, the deer shoot back.
@@mikepetersons1319 Considering over the first 60-70 years the most economical rifle to have and most common is that Lever 30-30. Yea, its taken down more deer.
Because its older caliber
Thurdy thurdy has.... It's a no brainer. You can't kill a deer with a caliber that is not in existence yet.
This guy almost sounds like hank hill
Dangit bobby
Boy l'll you what
He sells propane and propane accessories. I wonder what a bullet would do the one of your propane tanks
He does Sound like Hank Hill....That's Funny
more like Dewy Cox imo
Would those holes be as large if the skillets were further apart?.... The reason I am asking is because I think the slug is pushing iron from one skillet to the next....
Yes, they would be as large. You see, the velocity of the bullet has everything to do with the size of the holes. The faster the bullet moves, the smaller the hole is. In the first pan, the hole is small because the bullet moves faster than the shock wave the bullet creates because the shockwave is the speed of sound, and the bullet is flying super-sonic. This means only a small amount of energy is lost in the first penetration. The bullet is traveling slower, though. Probably sub-sonic at this point. This means that the energy is traveling at about the speed of sound, and takes longer to exit the second pan, meaning more energy from the bullet goes into the pan. By the time it goes into the third pan, the bullet is traveling very slowly.
In short, the slower the bullet travels, the more energy is lost in the form of kinetic soundwaves rippling through the metal of the pan. Fast bullets only touch the pan for a short time, leaving a small hole from the small amount of energy lost. The third pan has the biggest hole because the bullet is traveling slowly and stays in contact with the pan for a longer time.
An example of this type of concept can be seen in bullets hitting metal plates. Slower bullets leave large dents when they do not penetrate a sheet of steel, but very fast bullets poke holes with no dents in the metal. Another example is the entry and exit wounds on soft material. The bullet dumps energy as it slows down into the surrounding tissue, which gets spread out over a wider and wider area. If it is allowed to exit the other side, it usually leaves behind a larger hole than when it entered.
This whole post describes a concept that is usually restricted to super-sonic projectiles. Sub-sonic projectiles tend to act differently.
Well I guess it would be hard to argue against noon noob's prognosis. It sounds pretty plausible to me.
The missing centre pan material for the -06 I suspect is because it is near to the damage done by the .308, & that damage had cracked out around the .308 hole weakening the pan.
I think it would be interesting to see if there would be enough stability in the the skillets after the first was hit due to the force of the impact on each subsequent skillet. I would think the force of the impact would spin the skillet and cause each subsequent hit to be off course.
That makes no sense. Its not "pushing" anything because there isn't anything to push.
Its blasting it to dust.
Cast iron is very brittle. Its just shattering to bits. There is nothing pushing anything.
@@brokenwave6125 I was just asking
30=06 is by far my favorite round, especially out of my 1903 Springfield.
I love my m1!
@David Gonzales My friend let me shoot one at a tree in PA it is powerful,first time for me too,he would shoot deer and would go to Wyoming for Elk if I remember correctly.
Agreed Sir!
Finally, a good use for Chinese cast iron!
steve
I know right! Thanks for watching Steve!
Americans are so poor, it's all they can afford. Considering if the US made them, they'd be say what, 4 times the price for the same thing?
It's why China is going to win the trade war. They simply do it cheaper. Like ALL your mobile phones....guess where they're manufactured????
You honestly think people are going to pay, say, 4 times the amount (4k$) for the latest iphone or samsung 'built' in America in some illegal labour sweatshop? Fuck no.
China has the US by the BALLS.
😂😂😂thanks Evan
? I'm Australian, i don't really have a dog in the fight. I took the OP's statement as an 'anti China' remark. Not many seem to realize that the ONLY reason the US became great, was WW2. Having the manufacturing capabilities to basically 'war profiteer' off the world after WW2 because Europe's manufacturing capabilities were destroyed, and they were paying back Lend-Lease loans to the US.
The US's golden years were at the expense of a LOT of the world. And Trump has the gall to chastise Europe for treating the US unfairly in trade. Europe REMEMBERS what pretty much amounted to US extortion after WW2.
Too many US citizens either don't know, or try to erase the sins of the past. Or just plain expect other countries to 'cop it in the ass and like it' 'cause we'z da Americans!!! Greatest exploiters in the world!!!
Americans are proud of AMERICA 😂😂😂🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
For our terrain the 30-30 is the best setup. Gets through the brush easy and takes a deer down no sweat. My Model 94 is from the 40's and has been my best friend in the field.
Oh wow very nice
I've been using my Model 94 Buffalo Bill Commemorative for 50 years. And it more than handles the job.
Awesome! That is a very nice rifle
Plus, you get to hunt with a piece of American history.
True!
Those self-healing targets are wild! Thanks for this unique test of a new target material.
Verdict: All 3 rounds tested are adequate for hunting cast iron skillets.
True!
MrJeffcoley1 best comment yet.
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I prefer the 165 grain Sierra Game Kings for hunting cast iron skillets.
😂😂😂 thanks Duane!
In definitely taking my 30-06 next time I go hunting cast iron skillets. Thanks for saving me some ammo and kitchenware!
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Very cool video! I was primarily curious about the 30-06 so the 30/30 and .308 content was bonus material. Thanks .
Cool vid, the beauty of the 06 is being able to load up some higher grain bullets and increased case capacity. Buffalo Bore loads up to damn near to 300WSM maybe even 300WM power in a 30-06. One of the most versatile rifle rounds in the world, maybe just rouds period (next to 357 Mag and 12 ga.)
Great video, and very entertaining. I was actually surprised by the results, which always makes a video better if you ask me. Keep up the good work, sir.
Thanks for watching Tov!
I learned not to use my Wear Ever Skillet as personal protection when investigating a strange noise in the basement.
Thanks.
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Well damn, guess its time to rethink my 3 layer cast iron skillet body armor.
😂 yes you should!
it got panned in this test
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Now, THAT'S funny!
Cool video! The 30-30 acquitted itself very well among the two more powerful calibers. Used to shoot IHMSA 200 meter handgun matches with a TC Contender in 30-30. It's a very potent calibdr in a handgun, and I came up with a very accurate handload. Easy to reload too.
Great video mate, you forgot to mention to the skillets that the 30-30 is obsolete and to bounce these old bullets off. Lever guns still rule!
Leverguns are my favorite! Thanks Trevor!
Lol. 30-30 obsolete. That’s funny
Note: Dont use cast iron for bullet proof vest.
Nope!!!
So Michael J. Fox in Back to the Future III would be dead, I guess. So much for Hollywood. Guess Mythbusters doesn't have to test this since this guy just did.
Bullet proof vests won't stop a rifle bullet anyway. They only work on bullets fired from handguns.
except the 454 Catskull
I was thinking of Clint Eastwood in one of his Spaghetti Western movies.
Wow this was a great test I'm very impressed I would have never thought the 30-30 would have went through one cast iron pan much less three of them
I've had a Marlin 336-a (24 inch barrel, PG stock, 2/3 magazine) for about 45 years. I've had other rifles as well, but that Marlin was the most user-friendly, very quick to get in action rifle I've ever had. Surprisingly accurate too. I used to practice shooting at 10 inch paper plates 300 yards (measured) away. I could get every shot in the magazine in a 7 to 8 inch circle at that range. I had replaced the rear sight with a Marble's Full Buckhorn one, which would be now considered a sort of "ghost ring" sight. I used Remington 170 grain Core-Loct ammunition, as it was the most accurate I ever found.
So I guess we learn that if you hunt frying pans instead of hunting a critter and cooking it in the frying pan, you can use pretty much any .30 rifle successfully. Good to know.
🖒🖒 thanks for watching Mark!!!
Wait a minute, can't say that yet. Need to try an M1 carbine .30 cal
Very impressive results! I have never been mad enough at my Lodge pans to do that! But....the next time I have one that food keeps sticking to, will find its way to the range!
Love the look of that Winchester! What a beauty!
Thanks for sharing!
Hey Dan! Thanks for watching! Love this Winchester levergun! Its an oldie but a goodie!
Use Pam to avoid food sticking. Won't help the bullet tests, though.
Dan 821 they were not lodge pans there Walmart brand
Isaiah Hansel Yeah I know. They didn't look like Lodge handles. I was just saying that I only have Lodge and some very old Griswold and wouldn't be mad enough at them to shoot them! Lol!
Shot lodge in many other videos 😂😂😂
Once upon a time, I deer hunted with a old fellow we called the “Toothless Wonder” or aka “TW.” He did not have any teeth in his head and he was crossed eye until Medicare fixed his sight when he was in his seventh decade. In the mean time, ole TW hunted with a lever action 30-30 with a box of cartridges that dated to middle of the 1960’s. I do not know how old the rifle was. Never ask him about it. TW would only load one round of ammunition in his rifle at a time. He would carry the round that he was going to hunt with that year in his pocket during October to have it shined by opening day in November. When you heard him shoot, there was meat on the ground ~ preference being a young tender doe. Ole TW was the inventor of “one shot / one kill” long before some hotshot thought it up.
Fantastic! Those should be mounted on the wall, so they can be examined and talked about for years to come. Love the Ruger, you can carry it in the field and not really worry about scuffing it up....clean, smooth lines, eady to handle....great rifle.
Enjoyed this video, would have liked
to see him use the same brand of bullets for all 3 riffles. I think a Remington Corelock is a better bullet than a Winchester super x
I will remember this video if I'm attacked by a Skillet .
Good idea
If the skillet uses stealth and can maintain the element of surprise you won't remember a thing...ever. 🤣
Scott Hulsey: Your wife will be a person of interest
That Model 94 is a sexy beast. That stock is beautiful! I'm a 3006 fan though. I just love the available range of bullets you can get for it. It's about the perfect 1 rifle choice a man can make.
Thanks for watching Josey. This model 94 is quite old. Cant go wrong with any of them really i spose. Fun to test them out
Josey Wales never had problem with range with a 30 30 I mean at 50 yards what else does a guy need if ya can't get that close well there's always knitting
jeremy scriver I mean range of bullet weights. You can load anything from coyote loads to bear and moose. A 3030 will go a whole lot farther than 50 yards by the way. My longest shot ever was 90 yards. We don't get a lot of long shots where I live on deer. The timber is too thick.
Same with me. Always hunt thick timber
Knitting....😂😂🍗
He should make a T-shirt with his new catch phrase " I don't know if that means anything, but it looks cool"
Very similar results with all 3 as I would have guessed much more expansion with the 30.06 but just me....There was more damage but nothing crazy....Good testing as you are going to need more Cast Iron pans on your next camping trip or hunting expedition now.....LOL....Good stuff....
Thanks Scott! Pretty cool to see the holes getting bigger
The bottom line this guy is a cry baby . a bullet will go through smaller and expand when it comes out the other end .
Consider ease of loading, iron sights., and the wood stock. The 1894 is the superior device. No bolt, no need for weed grabbing optic unit, magazine capacity, reload simplicity.
Had always wanted a 30-30 but Pop told me the 30-06 was more versatile with bullet grains and load. He also told me, in his opinion, the 30-30 was basically a deer rifle for short ranges - whereas the 30-06 was good for more than 300 yards. Can testify the I've shot mulies at the 350 yard range with dead-on accuracy.
Thanks for the video. Gave me a representation of the 30-30 vs 30-06 was like.
Now if you had a larger mass comparison to show knock-down power, am guessing the 30-30 would be lacking in that department in comparison to the 30-06. ;)
Nice comment, I'm a 30 30 man my self just for the opposite reason I shoot in brush at close range at multiple targets on foot. I would take 30 06 for anything at long open range
I love the 4570 levergun too!
There is no rifle to compare to the 30-06 for flexibility. You can go to Walmart (in the US) and buy more different bullet weights for the 30-06 than any other caliber.....from 120 gn up
That is true
And the moral of the story is: Never bring a skillet to a gun fight
Once again, excellent video . I didn't expect the result. That's what makes them so entertaining.
Always appreciate you watching Phil!
30-06 is king
Thanks Josh!!!
Josh Hester -I LOVE MY AUGHT 6😍😍😍
I love them all!!!
My 30-06 kicks like mule
Hey Wesley! Thanks for watching! They do have a kick to them dont they!
New cast iron usually has a coating of oil to prevent rusting this is probably what caused the smoke
And the .308 and 30-06 provide more kinetic energy to the target. If metal, you will get sparks or more sparks from the extra KE.
A Hertzian cone is the cone produced when an object passes through a solid, such as a bullet through glass. More technically, it is a cone of force that propagates through a brittle, amorphous or cryptocrystalline solid material from a point of impact. This force eventually removes a full or partial cone in the material.
So scary how well those rounds performed on the cast iron skillets. Impressive.
Anywho I just subscribed.
Thanks Gary! Appreciate you watching!
Contrary to ballistics the 30.30 is slower but it has more put down power at 100 yard's than faster ammo. It's the shock and I have used all and the 30.30 has put more deer down on the spot rather than the others running maybe 70 yard's. Fact
Thanks for watching!
True statement i am happy owner of a winchester 94 been hunting with it on the iron sights and have never missed anything! 30-30 real hunter rifle
I agree i have dropped almost all the deer i have shot with a 3030 the ones that didnt drop right then they didnt run 100 yards
I heard T-Fal cookware is more bullet resistant. That ultra non-stick cooking surface really gets the job done.
Seriously though, that was very cool what you did here.
😆 thanks for watching Ronald!
“THESE PANS ARE DEFECTIVE”
No that’s a defective human.
“HE HATES THOSE CANS!”
WHO_TEE_WHO is a jerk to pans.
I love the way you describe your shots and their effect on the pans, you got a chuckle out of me...
Thanks for watching Kelly!
Ah I see what went wrong here, the skillets were made in China
5 more videos on channel with USA skillets....same results
myqal guluski haha
@@WHOTEEWHO .....but when you bought American, you put Americans to work:)
Lawman FL: Who knows, could be a whole new industry...frying pan targets!! Shouldn’t have said that - now it’ll come up on my Google ads for a month.
At least he didn't shoot a Griswold!
Please do a video showing a 30-06, shooting a carbonated soda or beer, when the can is balanced on top,of a watermelon. During hunters safety they did this and told this story behind it.
Down pressure, a hunter shot a can of beer off his friends head, William Tell style. The shot hit the can as expected but the can shot down into his hunting partners head. They shot the can on the watermelon 🍉 and the can was in the ground after going through the watermelon.
Wow! That sounds like a good video. Thanks
No! Don't shoot a beer! Unless maybe it is a PBR or Coors Light. It may fly farther.
What
Get this story ! Issue
I've done this with a metal coffee can full of water, with a penny under it sitting on a brick. It will put a perfect imprint of the penny on the bottom of the coffee can.
I believe that by the time you got to the 30--06, there could have been unseen fractures in the pans that cause the center pan to break the way it did.
Thanks for all you do! Very informative!
Remember when choosing a gun caliber, the size of the exit wound is what counts.
Actually shot placement is what counts. I've witnessed 2,000 lb Hereford Bulls dispatched with a .22 short on several occasions.
@@pugetsoundknappers4234 but for stopping power in a last resort self-defense against imminent danger, it's the size of the exit wound that matters more.
Puget Sound Knappers: Who hunts Hereford bulls? Aren’t they domestic cattle?
@@rayray8687 Yep, they are indeed domestic cattle. At some point in their lives they are slaughtered for their meat. Both of the Hereford bulls (and one steer) where slaughtered by professionals using .22 shorts. They used them because 1) they were extremely effective 2) they were in relatively close proximity to houses (subdivisions) and 3) very inexpensive. The point I was making was that a well-place shot with a very small caliber round is quite effective, more so that an ill-place shot of a large caliber.
I'm a lifelong hunter - modern firearm, black powder and archery. And I'm a former Marine Officer and WDFW Chief Hunter Safety Instructor.
When asked what the 'best caliber' is for big game in North America my response is and always will be "the largest caliber you can shoot comfortably and ACCURATELY". I've personally know hunters who consistently took large mule deer with one shot from a .22-250 in a state where .22 centerfires are legal. I've know other hunter who used .257 Roberts, .270 and other sub .30 caliber rounds to take elk and bear. And part of Hunter Safety Instruction is hunting 'ethics'. And part of hunting ethics is humanely dispatching the game - one shot, one kill. Big game have a remarkable ability to absorb ill-placed shots, large exit hole or not.
I will take a well placed .223 round long before I would an ill-placed .338 round. Outside of the Military I've found few people who can shoot the larger calibers as consistently and accurately as they can a smaller caliber. And still others who opt for larger calibers to compensate for lack of accuracy due to insufficient practice. There are definitely exceptions, but in my experience, they are exceptions.
ps 12 gauge double-ought buckshot doesn't leave an large exit hole unless it is a contact shot, but its stopping power inside 30 ft is considerable!
Puget Sound Knappers: I wouldn’t argue with you on any of that but I will say that shooting a bovine in the head at contact distance doesn’t really qualify as a good choice for hunting large animals. Also I honestly thought that everyone today used a spike gun but obviously not. When I was much younger living in an area of small farms, the animal’s head was smashed in with a sledgehammer and it’s throat cut immediately. Very quick kill.
I’ve fired a 30-06, 303, 308, 22, .17, BB gun, pop gun, 12 gauge buckshot (knocked me on my ass at age 15), Lee-Enfield Mk1 and a beautiful old ‘94 Winchester 30-30. If I had my druthers I’d choose that Winchester bush gun over all the others any day. But then, as you’ve suggested, you need to learn how to shoot. Caliber is something, but placement is everything. I had it pounded into my head before I was ever allowed to touch a gun that we didn’t hunt to hang elephant heads on our wall, we hunted to use what we killed. I no longer hunt but I’m very glad to hear that you and most others are ethical and responsible hunters.
With the same bullet weight, the 308 and the 30-06 are essentially the same gun. Because of the larger case, the 30-06 just offers a wider range of bullet weights it can effectively shoot.
I like my 06 in a bolt action. 308 in a semi. Just a prefrence
Out in Wyoming '76, used my near used up 19th century 7mm Mauser sporterized military rifle w/iron sights to ice huge mule tail buck running full blower quartering to right using 1 shot at half a mile. As rancher & son who was spotting had observed, he took his fancy rig down above fireplace, replaced w/Mauser, and waited for wise ass to comment at supper...didn't take long! He splained to him how the shot was made that hit the huge mullie hangin' up out front, that bullet had hit high in back, broke near all guts, went right thru heart, and exited front of deer. Rancher then asked the young hunter "Do you have a problem with that?? The youngster who had just called the rifle a POS and been neutered in front of 14 other hunters for his trouble, just calmly asked the rancher "Is the rifle for sale"?? Upshot is caliber, powder loading, and zachary what kind of shiny shootin' iron is used is not critical, what is most important is know your rifle, AND JUST WERE THAT BULLET MIGHT BE GOING!!
WOW!
What the Hell!?
Yeah. Get close . Get accurate .Get a model 70 in .270 Win.
One time I shot a huge buck a dead run, dropped it with one shot and it was so far away the deer had rotted by the time I could walk to it.
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My initial reaction to the 30-30 was "Whoa!" Very fun and informative! Cheers!
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here is my guess. you didn't mention range so I'm adding that in my guesses.
50 yes all 3 go through
100 yards 30/30 maybe 308/3006 through.
150 30/30 no go, 308and 3006 through
250 yards 308 and 3006 through
450 yards 308 no go 3006 through
500 yards 3006 no go
Very wrong on the 150 yards and the 30/30. Fake News
@@benwhite9643 you are saying it will go through at 150 yards?
I don't know. never tried it.
if you have please tell.
Still hard to beat the 30-30 up to 100 yards for deer. Nice Test
Yup i love a good levergun. Thanks for watching!
I tell people all the time it is cheaper to use the 30-30 and just as effective
I dont disagree. Sometimes it is fun to shoot a big ol gun though 😂
30.30 is effective for big game but I would hesitate at 200 yards especially elk. 30.06 is the best for big game and has range if one has skill out to 400- 500 yards which I do not recommend for most people. 7mm Remington I wonder what it would do the skillets.
Iron is brittle so punching holes is not surprising. Try steel plate 3/8 or 1/2 inch at 50 yards.
30-30 fine if your target is within 150 yards, shoot at a deer at 300 yards and all your going to hit is dirt.
30-30 is a great brush gun. Heavy 150 grain rounds and more than enough power to drop a deer at 50 yards, which is a normal shooting distance here in the east coast mountains.
30-30 is popular in many areas here in the Pacific northwest but back in the Rockies you need long distance calling. Hello Weatherby
Great vid! I love how you kept all the rounds in the 150 grain range
Thanks for watching!!!
Well, what I was *really* hoping would happen is, all those 80s episodes of 'The A-Team' would be proven correct, with the three layers of cast iron coming through completely unscathed, having utterly deflected every caliber of round...
So much for 'poor man's A-Team body armor'!
Lol!
Maybe they went through because you didn't weld the pans together?
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I shot a ford pinto chrome bumper with a .44mag and it did not penetrate. I shot the same bumper with a 30-30 and it looked like a paper punch hole.
Thanks for watching farmer dave!
Farmer Dave proof that velocity rules - to a point.😊
Dave: Why are you shooting at car bumpers?
Just to test the effect of each bullet as in the video? OK, I'm a liberal, but I'm cool with that.
You can shoot a hole in cast iron with a .22 cal, cast iron is not very strong sometimes if you just drop it on something hard it will break .
I just love watching this one over and over....
Years and years ago, early to mid 60s, most of deer hunting friends had 30-30s, if you were lucky enough to be able to afford to buy a 30.06, you were kinda elite and really prized the rifle. In gun case and in sight for all to see. Not that the 30-30 was shabby by any standards. They were more prominent in area I lived in. We didn't bother the gun case and didn't jack with any firearms in them. You could open up case and admire the rifles, but only if adult was present could you hold and shoulder them. We would get beat if those rules weren't followed. Time out was the end of a belt.
I wonder what walmart said when he went to return them.
They probably asked if they were faulty and he said yes so they gave him back his money. Then they raised the price of frying pans by 10 cents to recover their loses.
You should have bought those pans at Costco. I'd love to see their face when you try to return them.
you can take anything back to walmart. "these diapers already got shit in'em"
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I've long felt that the 30-30 is an excellent home/property defense round. This video confirms it further. Also, a lever action rifle is not as likely to be viewed as negatively by others the way black rifles are.
Those who view the black rifle negatively, who cares what Idiots think ?
Old Nam Vet , got my fill of those people, 50 years ago and don't care what those brained washed Idiots think.
victor castle My point was that in liberal places like CA and the east coast, lever guns are probably less likely to be legislated in the future the way AR type rifles are today. For someone who can only afford one rifle and wants a good all around firearm for hunting and home defense, a lever action 30-30 is a viable option and can be run very quickly with practice.
that makes zero sense to shoot a caliber that can potential travel through the home invader then through our paper thin walls into your children's bedrooms or the neighbors house. imagine the liberals reaction to the headlines man shoots intruder with high powered rifle also striking the neighbors house! they will have a field day with that one
but completely understand what you mean
These are hunting rifles, not home defense rifles
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I think this test makes us all glad we didn't grow up to be an iron skillet!!!!!
Yup! Thanks for watching Erwin!
Thanks now I can't cook my eggs!! Great video!! Just subscribed. Can't wait too see more. Rich. 👏👏
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"Big hole in the back!" lol awesome video.. Please try .45 ACP vs 10MM
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45 ranks number 1 in my book
10 mm its beter
@Aziryse why do you need 17 rounds? Seems you need to be practicing a little more than you have... I'll stick with what gets the job done....You can keep your 40 and all the rounds that go with it ..
@Aziryse depends on how well you can shoot not only in the light but also in the dense dark...I have 1 in the tube and 7 in the clip...I can handle any situation and hit very well
Results were closer than I expected. Thanks for the Iron skillet test.
Thanks for watching Rich!
That first pan is just right for camp fire for a no grease cooking just right for bacon self cleaning drips grease on fire leaves no residue behind !!!!🤔
I'm assuming you mean the one you could see through along the edge as he was holding up at the beginning of the video.
I like how you're thinking Mandy ;) Now when is the cookout ?
Love the 30 caliber ammo, can’t beat it!
Me too! Thanks for watching! This one was pretty fun!
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And still affordable!
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I like the 3030... before the video. I guess 3006 will bang it. Love Winchester 94 brush gun. It is nice... any of these rounds will change your day if you get hit.
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Pretty much the same could be said for any bullet .........
Any of these rounds will ruin the next 6 months if they don't kill you
Cool video man. I'm a newbie trying to learn all I can about different calibers. This helps believe it or not.
Cast iron, contrary to what people think, is fragile
i was sort of surprised that the '06 didn't shatter those pans.
Truth. Anyone that has to remove a cast iron tub, will definitely agree. I remember smacking our old tub with a 8 pound sledge to remove it. It shattered when we started hitting it and broke into pieces.
Cast iron isn't fragile so much as it is brittle. It is extremely hard with a 2-4% carbon content, which is higher than most industrial tool steels at 1-2%. It doesn't take shock all that well and tends to chip and fracture before it bends, flexes, or dents.
No fragile- brittle.
@@rickharover5243 lol you can't "shatter" iron my dude
I'm glad I didn't miss skillet season when does it close.
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Haha just before bread pan opens.
The BIG difference is the 30-30 is a much slower bullet than the other two. The 308 and 30-06 are way faster and are longer range.
The shape of the 30-30 round (more rounded and snub nosed) would flatten out more on impact, giving the larger entry hole on the front skillet. Also, the round was placed further away from the contour of the bottom of the pan. The round was also more centrally-located relative to the center of the handles which the pans were suspended from, giving a more uniform and concentric entry and exit from first to last pan. Both the .308 and 30-06 rounds were not placed as central to the suspension point so there was a twisting action of the pans on impact of the rounds as they traveled through one pan into the next. Also, being too close to the bottom/side edge of the pan would also have an effect on the outcome. At any rate, it shows the .308 & 30-06 are very similar in the effect they have not just on cast iron skillets but in use in the field or on the battlefield.
So that scene in the Ballad of Buster Scruggs in false. Can’t use frying pans as body armor
tbf the cartridges they were using would be black powder, and large caliber pistol cartridges to boot. It wouldnt surprise me if slow, fat rounds like that could be stopped.
6:12 I'm 3 for 3 today! That's very surprising! Lol Very Humble.
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That 94 is a piece of art
Hey Brian! I love the model 94
Love the channel. I’m happy that I found it recently so I have plenty of videos to catch up with 🇺🇸
cast iron pans make terrible body armor.
Sure do!
Every movie that ever had a cast iron pan in the line of fire bounced bullets like Superman! Basically bullets are drawn to them just so they can be deflected
They all lied 🤣🤣🤣
Nooo Tv, Wikipedia, and trump never lies
All three of these rounds have proven themselves deadly I love them all equally
I am partial to the levergun but love them all! Thanks for watching!
WHO_TEE_WHO I love the old school stuff ! Some of the most beautiful firearms are in a wood stock
Absolutely! Will take a wood stock over synthetic any day
I use the 308 it is perfect for killing all types of skillets pots wocks or even the elusive gothom steel frying pan...... Who tee whoooooo!!!!!!
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Would this be a good round for killing a Dutch oven. I’m no racist but that Dutch oven is really asking for it 😂
Chris I am no racest either but I'd think the 30-06 would be a good round to kill one of those old black pot belly stoves but I think they are on the endangered species list it be good for duch oven also
Benjamin Dean 😂 Thanks perfect answer
It appears i'm a little late for this discussion. But I feel that I too have a right to my opinion.
Great vid Boss! Answered absolutely every question I had about those three rounds, out of those three rifles against those three skillets!! Thank you so much for the brilliant use of my time! Subbed.
Thanks for watching Rich!
*Throws away cast iron vest made out of frying pans*
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Now you know why the M1 Garrand was in .30-06! Even though the damage to the pans seemed somewhat similar, it rounds are completely different especially in range distances. Also the 2nd and 3rd shores hit near the rolled edge where the metal is stronger. The 30-30 is fairly equivalent to the 7.62x39 where 300 meters is its effective range.
The 30-30 is made for a brush gun where it burst through vegetation to get close range game.
The .308 is more of a do all round but. An still reach out to 1000 meters and slightly beyond when loaded correctly. It stabilizes well with good oomph and is the predominant sniper round in the US.
The .30-06 is the power and distance king. That’s why so many of the newer rounds coming out are compared to it.
Thanks captain skippy!
M1 garand 30-06 rounds were full metal jacket. NOT looking to put big holes in guys....just hoping to put a lot of holes in a bunch of guys during an attack with one bullet. they had eight rounds and it got a little tense.
Edward Balcomb yes sir I’m quite familiar with the rifle. I am blessed to own a 1945 Springfield war issue. It is my favorite rifle.
You wrote " the 30-30 is made for a brush gun". When the 30-30 (30WCF) was introduced it was probably the best long range cartridge available. Possibly surpassed by the 25-35, but thats a different topic. 30-30 became known as a brush gun after moer advanced cartridges were created and popularized. Many compare the 30-30 to a 7.62x39 however in the right rifle, "Savage 99", and loaded with equivalent 125 or 150gr spitzer bullets, and modern powders, the 30-30 puts the 7.62x39 to shame. And very nearly produces the terminal performance of some factory 308 loads.
I don’t think you mentioned the distance shots were taken at.
Just curious, great video, honestly didn’t think the 30/30 would go through all 3. Nice surprise.
25 yards. Thanks for watching!
When I was in High School during an Elk hunt I witnessed a fellow with a old octagon barreled Model 94 30-30 dump a big bull Elk at a dead run with about a 50 yard head shot! Myself and the other 2 hunters never even got a shot off with our "modern" scoped high powered rifles! It was obvious that guy knew that gun! So a couple of years later I bought my own Model 94 30-30. In the ensuing years that gun reliably took Mule Deer, Pronghorn and Elk! Very accurate and effective out to 200 yards. A few Pronghorn beyond that! I made a point of learning that gun so that I know it as well as that fellow did his! It is still my "Go to" rifle 60 years later. The thing that I have always admired about it is when I shoulder it and lay my cheek against the stock both front and rear sights are perfectly aligned with my eye! Have no idea if that happens with anyone else! In short, anyone who believes the 30-30 is outdated is kidding himself!
Gotta love the 3030
@@WHOTEEWHO I always have! Everyone should shoot the gun and caliber they feel the most comfortable with! For me that is the Model 94 in 30-30!