Spoke with the Volvo dealer today and he said v1.3 comes this month and v1.4 already in May. I hope they will fix that slow ramp-up at low soc, among other things
Little surprised about the comments about noisy cabin as this was not mentioned as an issue in other reviews - in fact the opposite in reviews of similar Ultra trim.
Maybe im missing something but surely KM/h added per hour, is far more important than percentage added per hour. Doesn't that make the Tesla the clear winner?
Yep, In this comparison, the Tesla has a battery that's approximately 18% larger. If the consumption were the same, the range would increase by that 18%.
You can't use km/h because it's incredibly subjective, as driving speed, tires, road conditions, and weather all drastically affect it. What reference consumption would you use for the calculation? Certainly the km/h shown in our Tesla while charging is a complete lie, as they use a consumption rate based on its EPA range, a laughable overestimate versus the consumption at our normal highway driving speeds.
This shoes why peak kw is NOT important. More importantly is the charge curve. Thats why the new nio battery with 170kw charge power is so good as it holds its 170kw to arround 60%
Well for "fast" road trips you want high peaks and good efficiency. That's why Tesla beasts many cars with better charging curve on 1000km challenge. I personally never charge over 50%~ doing 15 minute stops instead of 40 minutes...
Was Model 3 Highland LR nerfed regarding charging speed? Also noticed it during the 1000 km challenge but thought it was due to extremely cold conditions. My M3 LR 2021 with LG battery charges with >100 kW at 50 % SoC
This is why max charging speeds are a marketing gimmick currently. It should be average max charge speed. My Niro EV that has about a 74kwh limit tends to also only take 30 mins to 80% but stays at a more consistent charge rate. Anyone going to 80% they all seem to work out roughly the same. Tesla wins for a very quick burst only.
It makes difference if you don't need to charge up to 80 percent. Sometimes it's better to take advantage of high charging speed and move on after reaching 60 percent.
@@seyyah61 See if you plan a route from north to south of the UK with a Nero EV max 74kw and a model 3 at 250kw. The Niro only takes 14 mins longer on the entire trip. Mainly because of charger location route not selecting to use Telsa chargers. If it did I bet almost identical. So for long trips all the same and the short trips well charged at home.
@@kenion2166 But there is travel fast or travel with less stops in-between. Being able to go further on a bigger battery or like the Niro Ev 250+ miles on a charge though I get 280 is so much better. Plus remember about degradation its ok talking about these charging times and trip times now. But in one year shave 8% off a Teslas overstated range and only 1% off Hyundai groups cars after 60K miles and many years.... yea charging at peak means more time all round.
@@De4dCert The Trip-planner from Tesla is far from "fast" it calculates for the average person with range anxiety so it will also try to maintain SOC > 10-15%. More experienced Tesla owners will drive that they arrive with 5-10% and stop charging if it drops < 100kw
Would it be possible to show on graph how much kWh was added per each minute? For me, it is the best metric to see how quicky is energy restored back into battery. If I can predict my consumption during next trip, I can easilly calculate how many kilometers can I travel untill next charging stop.
So bad how much tesla is falling behind in battery tech.. And charging speeds with the latest software are even worse. At least my m3 is charging slower than shown at the moment
@@AeonMW2 there are different class of vehicles. The Volvo is a small SUV, model 3 is a 4,7m sedan. The only common thing they have is that both are electric cars.
Spoke with the Volvo dealer today and he said v1.3 comes this month and v1.4 already in May. I hope they will fix that slow ramp-up at low soc, among other things
BBC and Charging Curve for the EX30. Impressive. Thanks Bjorn.
Thanks for the video. It would be interesting to see battery temperature in the metric comparison.
This is a test where having a KM/min (so KW/avg consumption) would be very usefull.
Little surprised about the comments about noisy cabin as this was not mentioned as an issue in other reviews - in fact the opposite in reviews of similar Ultra trim.
Maybe im missing something but surely KM/h added per hour, is far more important than percentage added per hour. Doesn't that make the Tesla the clear winner?
Yep, In this comparison, the Tesla has a battery that's approximately 18% larger. If the consumption were the same, the range would increase by that 18%.
I like km/h as how long you have to charge to get to your next stop matters most to me. This takes efficiency into account too
@@AliusScitmelius But the consumption is lower, so the real difference is > 18%
You can't use km/h because it's incredibly subjective, as driving speed, tires, road conditions, and weather all drastically affect it. What reference consumption would you use for the calculation? Certainly the km/h shown in our Tesla while charging is a complete lie, as they use a consumption rate based on its EPA range, a laughable overestimate versus the consumption at our normal highway driving speeds.
Taking into account efficiency too perhaps km or miles per hour is best 😉
How can the battery of the EX30 preconditioned for super charging?
Navigate to a fast charger.
Why you choose model 3 LR? SR would be more interesting
Even better to compare it to a model y sr
Same price
@@bjornnyland Really? In Finland at least the EX30 with bigger battery is the same price as the Model 3 SR, while the LR is 8000€ more expensive.
@@bjornnyland ok, thanks. Make sence.
This shoes why peak kw is NOT important. More importantly is the charge curve. Thats why the new nio battery with 170kw charge power is so good as it holds its 170kw to arround 60%
Well for "fast" road trips you want high peaks and good efficiency. That's why Tesla beasts many cars with better charging curve on 1000km challenge. I personally never charge over 50%~ doing 15 minute stops instead of 40 minutes...
Was Model 3 Highland LR nerfed regarding charging speed? Also noticed it during the 1000 km challenge but thought it was due to extremely cold conditions. My M3 LR 2021 with LG battery charges with >100 kW at 50 % SoC
Difference chemistry, less cobalt in the battery = less charging performance
This is why max charging speeds are a marketing gimmick currently. It should be average max charge speed. My Niro EV that has about a 74kwh limit tends to also only take 30 mins to 80% but stays at a more consistent charge rate. Anyone going to 80% they all seem to work out roughly the same. Tesla wins for a very quick burst only.
It makes difference if you don't need to charge up to 80 percent. Sometimes it's better to take advantage of high charging speed and move on after reaching 60 percent.
@@seyyah61 Exactly, if you want to travel fast you want high power peaks and charge to 40-50%
@@seyyah61 See if you plan a route from north to south of the UK with a Nero EV max 74kw and a model 3 at 250kw. The Niro only takes 14 mins longer on the entire trip. Mainly because of charger location route not selecting to use Telsa chargers. If it did I bet almost identical. So for long trips all the same and the short trips well charged at home.
@@kenion2166 But there is travel fast or travel with less stops in-between. Being able to go further on a bigger battery or like the Niro Ev 250+ miles on a charge though I get 280 is so much better. Plus remember about degradation its ok talking about these charging times and trip times now. But in one year shave 8% off a Teslas overstated range and only 1% off Hyundai groups cars after 60K miles and many years.... yea charging at peak means more time all round.
@@De4dCert The Trip-planner from Tesla is far from "fast" it calculates for the average person with range anxiety so it will also try to maintain SOC > 10-15%. More experienced Tesla owners will drive that they arrive with 5-10% and stop charging if it drops < 100kw
Combination of superior efficiency and larger battery means Tesla won this easily
Would it be possible to show on graph how much kWh was added per each minute? For me, it is the best metric to see how quicky is energy restored back into battery. If I can predict my consumption during next trip, I can easilly calculate how many kilometers can I travel untill next charging stop.
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So bad how much tesla is falling behind in battery tech.. And charging speeds with the latest software are even worse. At least my m3 is charging slower than shown at the moment
Someone considering to buy xc30 definitely won't look at model 3. Maybe to model y sr.
I don't think so...
I want a model 3 but there is no tesla in my country. So looking for EX30
@@AeonMW2 there are different class of vehicles. The Volvo is a small SUV, model 3 is a 4,7m sedan. The only common thing they have is that both are electric cars.
@@blakoemail so what? I consider and like both. cost is similar too
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