God Bless your community. Stand firm in your faith. If a Christain is not filled with the Holy Spirit, they cannot fully know God's Word. Pray for believers that they receive the Holy Spirit. I know many believe that this happens at salvation, but is never hurts to pray to the Lord that He fill us.
I am a Latino, I am amazed that no Latin America church has leeft the UMC except churches in Peru, I hear the group of pastors and churches are growing in nummer leaving the UMC to go to the Global Methodist Church.
You are wrong, please don not misinform . In Peru only a ex-bishop accuse of stilling and a pastor accuse of been a perpetrator has join Global church, the Iglesia Metodista del Peru still have good relations with UMC.
I'm Episcopalian, my Diocese of Dallas is against same sex Marriages and i really hope that it stays that way, however if those said rules change i now know where to bring my family too, Global Methodist churches. I really hope my church and Diocese remains against wokeness because i really love my episcopal church.
Glad you are standing for Truth and the infallibilty of God's Word. Wish that also held for the verse that says women are not to be pastors (husbands of one wife) or teach or have authority over men. 1 Tim. 2:12
@@jestrilalvarado8473The book of Leviticus was for the people of Israel, not for the Gentile church. 1 Timothy is for the Gentile and Jewish church of believers in Jesus Christ. We learn about the character of God from the book of Leviticus, but it is not our law book the same as it was theirs.
I prefer church that are open to alls salvation and not being judgemental. Men and women all deserved equal blessing. I call out hate deceit in our world. Lastly we may disagree but let's respect that we will disagree .
We conform to the Transitional Book of Doctrines and Discipline of the Global Methodist Church paragraph 202.7 which says, "We believe that human sexuality is a gift of God that is to be affirmed as it is exercised within the legal and spiritual covenant of a loving and monogamous marriage between one man and one woman."
One thing you have avoided addressing is: how will you handle the LGBTQ children and adults who will inevitably appear from within your membership? Many countries of the global south stipulate prison sentences for, or execution of, LGBT people. Will the GMC tacitly embrace such brutality?
Well I can’t answer for the GMC but the Bible calls LGBT to come to Christ to be saved and calls churches to lovingly share the message of available salvation with them. Not to lie to them and tell them they have no need for salvation (or anyone, all people are sinners, not one person is without need of a savior). It doesn’t do them any favors to not share the truth with them. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 “Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or males who have sex with males, no thieves, greedy people, drunkards, verbally abusive people, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
@@katherineflaherty3564 If we are talking about two people of the same sex who love each other and have shown they can be faithful to each other, where is the sin? Surely it cannot be a sin to love one another until death? I had a ring exchange with my same-sex partner in a church, and we were together for 20 years, until his death. And that, in your reckoning, is a sin? I think you need to re-evaluate what sin is. I know of tons of heterosexuals whose marriage did not last 20 years, and ... you have no problem?
I'm a gay man too.I've been with the same man for years!! When I drove by my church and see the (United) Duct tape off.. I'm not sure how I feel about that!!Yes I do it feel Unwelcome.. Even though I'm more traditionalist..I just went to church and keep my mouth shut..
@@randymorgan8375 Randy, I suppose I would wish that you say something, not just keep your mouth shut. But I understand each of us has our own coping skills. Do you ever attend that church with your partner? Attending as a couple would be one way of speaking out.
@@fredphilippi8388 I am so sorry for your loss of your partner. I don’t know how long ago that was but grief is so hard. As to your comment on heterosexuals divorcing quickly - that is also against God’s design for marriage (such as in Matthew 19:1-9 and Ephesians 5:22-33). As to your statement “in your reckoning” about if something is sin - it’s not good for us to decide what we think is sin or what is not sin. It really doesn’t matter what I think. God is judge and we will all stand before him when he will judge us all by *his* standard, not by how we lived up to our own standard, or someone else’s standard, or even a denomination’s standard. We need to learn about what God our Creator says is sin. Thankfully God our Creator and Judge also was willing to become God our Savior for us, since no one can live up to God’s standard.
Yeah, this is the greatest proof that they are not just following the scriptures, because if they were, they would not have women ministers/elders. There is no confusion, whatsoever, that women are not allowed - according to scripture - to be elders or ministers in the church.
Best wishes. UMC will be more able to complete our missions and ministries without being distracted by those who do not find the law of love as the only law that matters.
I love how these people talk about how everyone is welcome, etc... Oh, except if you are gay. Apparently God hates gays (even though he created them and all), and so it's important that there is this Global Methodist Church to make sure that gays are excluded. It seems these people look forward to the day of Judgement where God is going to say to them, "Well done good and faithful servant for condemning and excluding gays! They are irredeemable sinners, and no one should listen to anything they say, be served by them in any way, and certainly if they say they love someone and it's someone of the same sex...you should banish them from your midst. Although I am the Lord your God who so loved the world, I don't approve of anyone who loves another person of the same sex. Those people should be banished!" As a person discerning faith, I'm embarrassed for these people.
I'm not a part of the Methodist Church but i Highly disagree that Homosexuality is Ok to be practiced by anyone who claims to be Christian and im highly against especially the ordination of any to be clear God does not hate Homosexuals but wants them to Repent and believe and be Saved and be transformed into His likeness as Christian we can not hate and well as of me i don't hate them but the Bible is Highly clear on Homosexuality in both old and new testaments.
@@Giancarlo_1997 People believe a lot of things both ways on the issue. I guess the point is, can you prove where in the Bible that God is against homosexuality (speaking of monogamous relationships between adults)? And context is key in both the Old and New Testament. So often people read the bible in translation and draw opinions from the translations without understanding the original meaning. Now, I am not saying that the Bible supports homosexuality, but it certainly does not condemn it. Also, I agree that all people, gays and straights, need to believe and be saved and be transformed into his likeness. The Bible, especially the New Testament, doesn't seem to like marriage, or sex, at all. Jesus said that in the world to come that neither will be married nor given in marriage. Jesus was never married and neither were most of the apostles. Paul seemed to think that marriage was kind of a state for people who couldn't resist sexual urges and so it was better to be married and have sex with just one person, then to live la dolce vita like the pagans were doing. In protestantism, marriage isn't even a sacrament. Even in the Catholic Church, if someone converts and they were previously married in any ceremony (civil or religious), they are not required to have a "Catholic Wedding". But going back to the Bible, what you'll see in the references to homosexuality they are really taking about ritualized sex as part of pagan worship and what we would call pedophilia nowadays. The bible certainly has no stories about some random gay dudes (or lesbian couple) living together, raising their dogs, and hosting dinner parties. It's always in a much different context. On the day of judgement, I do not think that excluding Christian gay people, in monogamous relationships, is going to win points with the Lord. In fact, the religious leaders of today will likely face the harsh judgement from our Lord that he gave to the religious leaders of His day.
@@thomascurry4762 here are some verses that say the contrary that it does speak of it as shameful sinful and as an abomination in both Old and New testament Leviticus 20:13,Romans 1:26-28,Leviticus 18:22,Romans 1:27,1 Corinthians 6:9-11,1 Timothy 1:8-10. So those are some verses from both N and O Testaments. Remember that God sees all sins as Equal in His sight and Homosexuality is no more sinful than all others yet obviously it is a serious one as all other sexual sins and other kinds. God does not Hate Homosexuals but He does hate the sin and desires for all to come to Him for salvation and to be transformed into His likeness. I myself am No better than someone who is Gay Lesbian or Bi or any other sexuality than Hetrosexual (For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God)Romans 3:23 struggling with lust or lusting after a woman as a Hetrosexual is just as sinful as homosexual attraction its not a sin to struggle with the attraction its what you do and how you respond to that attraction do you go and have homosexual sex or any sexual activity or dating or do you have the self control and abstain from it etc.The temptation to engage in homosexual behavior is real to many people and Christians as well who come from that background and past lifestyle. Here is an article that accurately describes or says what the Bible says about Homosexuality👇 www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html I do not hate any LGBTQ+ people but i do desire for them to be saved and receive eternal Life in Christ Jesus.
Imagine .... A church led by people who say that anyone who identifies as gay should be imprisoned for life. Imagine .... a church that says that anyone who does not report a gay person to the police will also be imprisoned. That is the GMC.
@@Chesterbarnes1 To the extent that African Christians in countries like Uganda assume leadership in the GMC, that is the world they are coming from and represent.
@@fredphilippi8388 To let alone that all those African Churches are silent over certain polygamy levels very prevalent on at least some of those countries and they're even more silent on female genital mutilation that is a plague on most of those countries as well... Good luck GMC, GAFCON and others...
Clear, instructive and helpful. Thank you.
Amen for the Global Methodist Church!
Indeed, amen!
Someone can tell what should happen with the buildens /temple? the UMC will keept them?
God Bless your community. Stand firm in your faith. If a Christain is not filled with the Holy Spirit, they cannot fully know God's Word. Pray for believers that they receive the Holy Spirit. I know many believe that this happens at salvation, but is never hurts to pray to the Lord that He fill us.
I am a Latino, I am amazed that no Latin America church has leeft the UMC except churches in Peru, I hear the group of pastors and churches are growing in nummer leaving the UMC to go to the Global Methodist Church.
Wait until the UMC tells that Latino church that they are getting married a drag queen as there pastor.
You are wrong, please don not misinform . In Peru only a ex-bishop accuse of stilling and a pastor accuse of been a perpetrator has join Global church, the Iglesia Metodista del Peru still have good relations with UMC.
I'm Episcopalian, my Diocese of Dallas is against same sex Marriages and i really hope that it stays that way, however if those said rules change i now know where to bring my family too, Global Methodist churches. I really hope my church and Diocese remains against wokeness because i really love my episcopal church.
Did you check the date of the message? It was pre-disaffiliation. We were authorized its use on that date.
We are a scriptural church, except we ordain woman when the Bible expressly prohibits that 🙄
Please explain why the GMC is allowing women to serve in the Pulpit?
I hope and pray that marriage is between a man and a woman.
Glad you are standing for Truth and the infallibilty of God's Word. Wish that also held for the verse that says women are not to be pastors (husbands of one wife) or teach or have authority over men. 1 Tim. 2:12
Do you apply Lev. 20:13? Or just picking verses you want apply according to your biases?
@@jestrilalvarado8473The book of Leviticus was for the people of Israel, not for the Gentile church. 1 Timothy is for the Gentile and Jewish church of believers in Jesus Christ. We learn about the character of God from the book of Leviticus, but it is not our law book the same as it was theirs.
What ? I thought the Wesleyan was it’s on church . Then they have the new Global Methodist Church.
Two denominations, not three formed the UMC
Uvalde? The Uvalde?
I prefer church that are open to alls salvation and not being judgemental. Men and women all deserved equal blessing. I call out hate deceit in our world. Lastly we may disagree but let's respect that we will disagree .
John Wesley is turning over in his grave.
Totally untrue.
The logo in your pulpit is UMC. That's unethical.
Where do you stand on same sex marriage?
We conform to the Transitional Book of Doctrines and Discipline of the Global Methodist Church paragraph 202.7 which says, "We believe that human sexuality is a gift of God that is to be affirmed as it is exercised within the legal and spiritual covenant of a loving and monogamous marriage between one man and one woman."
@@user-li8rt8mt4v Amen and Amen
Not the same.
Another denomination christianity doesn’t need. What are we at now 100,000 denominations?
One thing you have avoided addressing is: how will you handle the LGBTQ children and adults who will inevitably appear from within your membership? Many countries of the global south stipulate prison sentences for, or execution of, LGBT people. Will the GMC tacitly embrace such brutality?
Well I can’t answer for the GMC but the Bible calls LGBT to come to Christ to be saved and calls churches to lovingly share the message of available salvation with them. Not to lie to them and tell them they have no need for salvation (or anyone, all people are sinners, not one person is without need of a savior). It doesn’t do them any favors to not share the truth with them.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
“Don't you know that the unrighteous will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be deceived: No sexually immoral people, idolaters, adulterers, or males who have sex with males, no thieves, greedy people, drunkards, verbally abusive people, or swindlers will inherit God's kingdom. And some of you used to be like this. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
@@katherineflaherty3564 If we are talking about two people of the same sex who love each other and have shown they can be faithful to each other, where is the sin? Surely it cannot be a sin to love one another until death? I had a ring exchange with my same-sex partner in a church, and we were together for 20 years, until his death. And that, in your reckoning, is a sin? I think you need to re-evaluate what sin is. I know of tons of heterosexuals whose marriage did not last 20 years, and ... you have no problem?
I'm a gay man too.I've been with the same man for years!! When I drove by my church and see the (United) Duct tape off.. I'm not sure how I feel about that!!Yes I do it feel Unwelcome.. Even though I'm more traditionalist..I just went to church and keep my mouth shut..
@@randymorgan8375 Randy, I suppose I would wish that you say something, not just keep your mouth shut. But I understand each of us has our own coping skills. Do you ever attend that church with your partner? Attending as a couple would be one way of speaking out.
@@fredphilippi8388 I am so sorry for your loss of your partner. I don’t know how long ago that was but grief is so hard. As to your comment on heterosexuals divorcing quickly - that is also against God’s design for marriage (such as in Matthew 19:1-9 and Ephesians 5:22-33). As to your statement “in your reckoning” about if something is sin - it’s not good for us to decide what we think is sin or what is not sin. It really doesn’t matter what I think. God is judge and we will all stand before him when he will judge us all by *his* standard, not by how we lived up to our own standard, or someone else’s standard, or even a denomination’s standard. We need to learn about what God our Creator says is sin. Thankfully God our Creator and Judge also was willing to become God our Savior for us, since no one can live up to God’s standard.
Women preachers tho?
Yeah, this is the greatest proof that they are not just following the scriptures, because if they were, they would not have women ministers/elders. There is no confusion, whatsoever, that women are not allowed - according to scripture - to be elders or ministers in the church.
Best wishes. UMC will be more able to complete our missions and ministries without being distracted by those who do not find the law of love as the only law that matters.
I love how these people talk about how everyone is welcome, etc... Oh, except if you are gay. Apparently God hates gays (even though he created them and all), and so it's important that there is this Global Methodist Church to make sure that gays are excluded. It seems these people look forward to the day of Judgement where God is going to say to them, "Well done good and faithful servant for condemning and excluding gays! They are irredeemable sinners, and no one should listen to anything they say, be served by them in any way, and certainly if they say they love someone and it's someone of the same sex...you should banish them from your midst. Although I am the Lord your God who so loved the world, I don't approve of anyone who loves another person of the same sex. Those people should be banished!"
As a person discerning faith, I'm embarrassed for these people.
BTW...sorry if I offended any of the 70 subscribers to this channel.
I'm not a part of the Methodist Church but i Highly disagree that Homosexuality is Ok to be practiced by anyone who claims to be Christian and im highly against especially the ordination of any to be clear God does not hate Homosexuals but wants them to Repent and believe and be Saved and be transformed into His likeness as Christian we can not hate and well as of me i don't hate them but the Bible is Highly clear on Homosexuality in both old and new testaments.
@@Giancarlo_1997 People believe a lot of things both ways on the issue. I guess the point is, can you prove where in the Bible that God is against homosexuality (speaking of monogamous relationships between adults)? And context is key in both the Old and New Testament. So often people read the bible in translation and draw opinions from the translations without understanding the original meaning.
Now, I am not saying that the Bible supports homosexuality, but it certainly does not condemn it. Also, I agree that all people, gays and straights, need to believe and be saved and be transformed into his likeness. The Bible, especially the New Testament, doesn't seem to like marriage, or sex, at all. Jesus said that in the world to come that neither will be married nor given in marriage. Jesus was never married and neither were most of the apostles. Paul seemed to think that marriage was kind of a state for people who couldn't resist sexual urges and so it was better to be married and have sex with just one person, then to live la dolce vita like the pagans were doing. In protestantism, marriage isn't even a sacrament. Even in the Catholic Church, if someone converts and they were previously married in any ceremony (civil or religious), they are not required to have a "Catholic Wedding".
But going back to the Bible, what you'll see in the references to homosexuality they are really taking about ritualized sex as part of pagan worship and what we would call pedophilia nowadays. The bible certainly has no stories about some random gay dudes (or lesbian couple) living together, raising their dogs, and hosting dinner parties. It's always in a much different context.
On the day of judgement, I do not think that excluding Christian gay people, in monogamous relationships, is going to win points with the Lord. In fact, the religious leaders of today will likely face the harsh judgement from our Lord that he gave to the religious leaders of His day.
@@thomascurry4762 here are some verses that say the contrary that it does speak of it as shameful sinful and as an abomination in both Old and New testament
Leviticus 20:13,Romans 1:26-28,Leviticus 18:22,Romans 1:27,1 Corinthians 6:9-11,1 Timothy 1:8-10. So those are some verses from both N and O Testaments.
Remember that God sees all sins as Equal in His sight and Homosexuality is no more sinful than all others yet obviously it is a serious one as all other sexual sins and other kinds.
God does not Hate Homosexuals but He does hate the sin and desires for all to come to Him for salvation and to be transformed into His likeness. I myself am No better than someone who is Gay Lesbian or Bi or any other sexuality than Hetrosexual (For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God)Romans 3:23 struggling with lust or lusting after a woman as a Hetrosexual is just as sinful as homosexual attraction its not a sin to struggle with the attraction its what you do and how you respond to that attraction do you go and have homosexual sex or any sexual activity or dating or do you have the self control and abstain from it etc.The temptation to engage in homosexual behavior is real to many people and Christians as well who come from that background and past lifestyle.
Here is an article that accurately describes or says what the Bible says about Homosexuality👇
www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html
I do not hate any LGBTQ+ people but i do desire for them to be saved and receive eternal Life in Christ Jesus.
You have the UMC that will welcome you with rainbows galore. Sin is sin and should not be celebrated.
Religion rotting the mind.
Imagine .... A church led by people who say that anyone who identifies as gay should be imprisoned for life. Imagine .... a church that says that anyone who does not report a gay person to the police will also be imprisoned. That is the GMC.
not according to what I've read.
@@Chesterbarnes1 To the extent that African Christians in countries like Uganda assume leadership in the GMC, that is the world they are coming from and represent.
@@fredphilippi8388 To let alone that all those African Churches are silent over certain polygamy levels very prevalent on at least some of those countries and they're even more silent on female genital mutilation that is a plague on most of those countries as well... Good luck GMC, GAFCON and others...
What an abominable lie you spout.
If one doesn’t want to live holy then maybe true Methodism isn’t for you.