@@patriciaschuster1371 While I agree that one would not want to have one's coff8n/casket rising to the surface and floating down some water course in a flood (as has happened in recent history and in old) there is no point in worrying about getting wet when you're deceased. Most cemeteries have groundwater seepage. If people think that they will stay nice and dry once they're buried 6' under, they are delusional. In cemeteries that demand that a vault be placed over the coffin/casket, it is really only there to stop the ground from caving in and leaving depressions all over the cemetery. Embalming is only intended to keep a body in optimum viewing condition for up to 10 days - it doesn't stop decomposition. People interred in mausoleums will turn to soup before finally drying out.. (Mausoleums have a complex system of drainage and vents to collect gases and drain away body fluids). I'm saying that we're all meant to decompose. That's the natural way of things, and people need to accept that.
The durability of these mausoleum buildings isn't very impressive for stone and brick construction. Most of them are crumbling eyesores within 100 years and nobody seems to want to pay to maintain them when they start to go downhill. What a shitty way to be disposed of in what amounts to a filing cabinet for your coffin until whatever entity who owns the mausoleum goes bust and can't maintain the building anymore.
Publish a legal notice with the names and dates of the bodies that need to be removed. Give relatives reading the notice the opportunity to claim the bodies. Any bodies not claimed can be buried in a mass grave within the cemetery, with a single marker noting who is there. Legal notices such as this are common when property owners or other people with a potential legal claim cannot be found.
@@havingteawiththedevil thank you. I'm telling everyone to get your vaccination's up to date. She would still be alive if she had ( she died from complications of pneumonia). Good health and happiness to you.
Since this video is several years old I wonder what's happened to the mausoleum. I got one suggestion though it might be legally risky is take a sample of the remaining deceased and get genetic testing, might help locate extended family.
On the city website where the cemetery information is, there are currently photos showing the mausoleum still standing and still has exposed brick on the exterior but it's unclear if any repairs were ever done. It's weird because it still lists over 80 people interred even though the video states only 18 were left in 2013. Since it would be expected that there would be some sort of news in a search about either restoration or demolition, my guess is that nothing has changed :O
I think a huge problem with issues like this is they involve $$ and a lot of them. You can't just tear it down. You have to try to find relatives. You can't move the body without permission. How long do you look for a relative. How do you advertise appropriately to find a relative. Many of these individuals no longer have relatives to find. How long do you have to wait? If a relative does not want to have to move the body and cannot afford to, what happens then? With or without relatives those bodies need to be re-interred somewhere. That's expensive even if you can get a reduced group rate. You also need Court permission to remove each individual and then to re-inter. Usually, that requires provision of a death certificate. Normally, hazmat protected personnel are the only ones that can enter these places. And, usually what brings these issues to the forefront is the building going derelict. They are seldom structurally safe anymore. Yes, some of the graves have been interfered and are more accessible but you have to make sure you have all of the remains and have them 'stabilised' in a manner suitable for transport. There are always some that require alot of physical work to get to and to get them out. In most of these abandoned mausoleums there aren't any maps showing which individuals are entombed where. Without name plates it's difficult to identify people. When no one claims a relative who pays for all of this. Derelict buildings usually go to the local or state councils. The costs to remove the building alone is, at times, more than the land can be re-sold for. A final cost is knocking down and disposal of the waste - lots of the building materials require special disposal. All of these things that need to be done involve huge amount of staff hours to complete the paper chase and more for costs of certificates alone. That doesn't include the court costs. Most Councils have huge funding problems and are walking a tight line to start with. It's a huge problem. I dont think anyone thought about the possibility that something like this could ever happen. Even now it's hard to believe this could happen. Once you sit and think about it, you realise that it all becomes obvious. Unfortunately, I can only see these incidents increasing over the next few decades. Such a terrible thing. Suddenly RIP doesn't feel the same any more.
State needs to introduce new legislation in handling/transfer of the remains in the case of derelict mausoleums or graves. It's taboo to leave these people this way versus placing them in a new burial site. Seems more like politics is holding this up. No one wants to be the ghoulish legislator.
This is disgraceful!!! The families most likely paid alot of money to have their loved ones buried in the mausoleum so this should have never happened to begin with...aren't the cemetery owners supposed to up-keep these???
@@katherineleonowski7289 Cemeteries are the ultimate ponzi scheme. Towns, Cities, and State Cemeteries only keep up with what is in their purview. Private Cemeteries are Private Property and when the money runs out.... Plus there is a ton of red tape to go with it as well. If anyone wants to change anything, start by changing the law, States and local Municipalities have their hands tied. Visible human remains are obviously a biohazard but no one wants the hassle of going through the motions of disturbing the remains when the people are already at rest. A compassionate law needs to be passed to place these people in a mass grave. • Laws • Forensic Identification • Mass Graves • Caskets • Reinternment All of these costs money, no one wants to be the ghoulish legislator, and let's face it the bill would be full of pork because there are no political points to be won here. So the dead are left to moulder in their grave, while the rest of us are left outraged.
They are from a different era when people were more superstitious about death and dead bodies. ALL mausoleums will structurally fail at some point and/or the people who manage them will go bankrupt and the land will get reclaimed. "Eternal resting place", my ass.
Some folks like myself are willing to pay more to not be underground... Cremation is usually the last resort foe families without the means for a funeral...
People have been buried in these since the beginning of time, Jesus was put in a tomb, it was standard practice. There are huge ones in the Los Angeles area that are 80 to 90 years old and still very nice
No amount of money can provide 'perpetual endowment'. Eventually the money for upkeep WILL run out. Eventually the building WILL crumble. So this comment was correct .. Jesus or no Jesus. Mausoleums are not a permanent solution for disposing of our dead!
@@j.whiteoak6408 The money "theoretically" can be invested correctly to provide upkeep to the mausoleum for all eternity. I mean you have generational wealth going back 200 years now when their great-great-great granddad invested in a steel mill in the early 1800's and made an empire. The reality of the situation is that graveyards and mausoleums are bought and sold over the years, sometimes the owners are absolute crooks and steal the endowment funds meant for upkeep. Other times the people managing the money are financially illiterate and have no idea how to run a business. Hell they might not even know how to mow the grass, much less how to fill in a sunken grave, how to hire contractors to fix the marble on the mausoleum(qualified masons are hard to find FYI)
If they can't find relatives of the entombed deceased, it's most likely because the relatives themselves are deceased. If demolition of the building is the ultimate outcome, what are they going to do? Destroy the building with the bodies still inside? They have to do something.
For the deceased who are unclaimed or unidentified perhaps one large grave could be dug and inter them all together. It would be respectful to finally let them lie in peace.
If families can't be traced a court order can be pursued as the matter is urgency and for public health reasons. Moving them at $300 is a no brainer but actually I would have thought it would cost far more than that. The City will face greater liability and legal concerns if it just lets the mausoleum collapse.
I agree. it should not be permitted to crumble like this. Some person or persons made money by the construction of this mausoleum, where is the responsibility ?
If the state needed the land for a road, they would claim it under eminent domain. Years ago, the state removed bodies from a centuries old cemetery in St. Louis to expand the airport runway. Some of those dead, had no relatives.
Oh wow! I was telling somebody about this the other day, but never knew the name of the cemetery. En route to Troy, MO, I would pass this and hear the stories of it being moved. It was surely moved because I dont see it anymore from the interstate.
Hmmmm... costs the city 300 bucks a pop to move and re-bury a body... yet I bet it was 10 times that for the families when the people were interned there...
So much for 'perpetual endowment' .. A minimum of 5% of the purchase price from the sale of crypts are supposed to be invested for the upkeep and maintenance of mausoleums. Which are privately owned. Yeah, right. Human greed is a common condition .. owners don't care that the mausoleums won't last a century because they won't be here themselves to face the music. Who wants to be interred in a hole in the wall anyway!!
That's why we buried my grandparents in a mausoleum that is run by the Catholic Church the only way this will not be maintained is if the Vatican goes belly-up God knows they've got enough money or maybe not after all the perverts that they've got in the church
@@tmilesffl Right. And I have to wonder why, when so many are currently in receivership or are already abandoned to the ghouls who vandalise the crypts, and trash the coffins, often to steal the skulls and long bones in order to sell them on the black market for use in the occult. That's the destiny for many more mausoleums as time progresses. No building will stand forever.
All you need is a Judge's signature and it can be done. Somebody is dragging their feet. What Court Fees? You think they could get people to contribute their time and get it done!
And yet in Europe, there are hundreds of bodies being exhumed and placed in warehouses (that were buried because of and during the black plague) and being studied. No families are asking for this and no families are paying for this. But in America, there is a need to relocate 90 bodies and some are just being left in a crumbling hazardous situation.
If the mausoleum is classed as public health hazard, and the council notify the relatives thru the media, families have six months to reply to their requests to come forward and sign relevant paperwork or the council take responsibility and disposal ( with dignity) of the remains. How hard can it be? If relatives don’t come forward in that time, they very likely never will because they too are dead.
A good genealogist can almost always find relatives somewhere. If, after a reasonable search, a court should be able to assume responsibility or appoint someone to act ad litem.
WHERE ARE THE.PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PERPETUAL CARE AND CONDITION? THEY HAVE TO BE AROUND SOMEWHERE, ALSO THE STATE SHOULD COME UP WITH MONEY TO SOLVE THIS, COME ON.
To much emphasis on remains. Bulldoze it and bury the debris. These people are in a better place. If it were that important to the living relatives or whomever, the building would have been maintained or had funds set aside for upkeep. It’s not unkind, it’s reality of where all remains eventually wind up. Dust to dust.
Leave the dead in peace put a big tall fence around it have a plaqe with the names of the people still interned there and let it rot whats the problem? Leave the dam thing alone just make it so idiots can't get inside and get hurt or disturb or rob the dead left inside!!!!!
Every mausoleum will eventually deteriorate, crumble and collapse. Traditional in-ground burial or cremation is always a better choice.
That's why I chose ground burial
Just make sure your ground never floods.
Matthew R: You do not get to decide what a "better choice" is for others.
@@patriciaschuster1371 And does one do this ?
@@patriciaschuster1371
While I agree that one would not want to have one's coff8n/casket rising to the surface and floating down some water course in a flood (as has happened in recent history and in old) there is no point in worrying about getting wet when you're deceased. Most cemeteries have groundwater seepage. If people think that they will stay nice and dry once they're buried 6' under, they are delusional. In cemeteries that demand that a vault be placed over the coffin/casket, it is really only there to stop the ground from caving in and leaving depressions all over the cemetery. Embalming is only intended to keep a body in optimum viewing condition for up to 10 days - it doesn't stop decomposition. People interred in mausoleums will turn to soup before finally drying out.. (Mausoleums have a complex system of drainage and vents to collect gases and drain away body fluids). I'm saying that we're all meant to decompose. That's the natural way of things, and people need to accept that.
This is why mausoleums are a bad idea for a final resting place
OMG this is by a nursing home I worked at 20 years ago. Depressing view for the elderly there.
Well none of the tenants are complaining.
What a pathetic way to go into oblivion. Better get cremated and get it over with on day one than having to go through such a mess decades later.
The durability of these mausoleum buildings isn't very impressive for stone and brick construction. Most of them are crumbling eyesores within 100 years and nobody seems to want to pay to maintain them when they start to go downhill. What a shitty way to be disposed of in what amounts to a filing cabinet for your coffin until whatever entity who owns the mausoleum goes bust and can't maintain the building anymore.
Nigga that's a very eloquent way to put it. Well said.
@@rthelionheart my nigga you rite 😁
Everything crumbles without maintenance
Publish a legal notice with the names and dates of the bodies that need to be removed. Give relatives reading the notice the opportunity to claim the bodies. Any bodies not claimed can be buried in a mass grave within the cemetery, with a single marker noting who is there.
Legal notices such as this are common when property owners or other people with a potential legal claim cannot be found.
$300 per body plus court fees? No, think $3,000 per body including the purchase of an alternate interment place.
That's why this morning I buried my mother in the ground.
I know this post is old but I’m sorry to hear. 🙏🏾
@@havingteawiththedevil thank you. I'm telling everyone to get your vaccination's up to date. She would still be alive if she had ( she died from complications of pneumonia). Good health and happiness to you.
Both my parents were buried in the ground. Your comment is well taken, do all you can to stay healthy.
Since this video is several years old I wonder what's happened to the mausoleum. I got one suggestion though it might be legally risky is take a sample of the remaining deceased and get genetic testing, might help locate extended family.
On the city website where the cemetery information is, there are currently photos showing the mausoleum still standing and still has exposed brick on the exterior but it's unclear if any repairs were ever done. It's weird because it still lists over 80 people interred even though the video states only 18 were left in 2013. Since it would be expected that there would be some sort of news in a search about either restoration or demolition, my guess is that nothing has changed :O
The families are gone... end of the line.
I think a huge problem with issues like this is they involve $$ and a lot of them. You can't just tear it down. You have to try to find relatives. You can't move the body without permission. How long do you look for a relative. How do you advertise appropriately to find a relative. Many of these individuals no longer have relatives to find. How long do you have to wait? If a relative does not want to have to move the body and cannot afford to, what happens then? With or without relatives those bodies need to be re-interred somewhere. That's expensive even if you can get a reduced group rate. You also need Court permission to remove each individual and then to re-inter. Usually, that requires provision of a death certificate. Normally, hazmat protected personnel are the only ones that can enter these places. And, usually what brings these issues to the forefront is the building going derelict. They are seldom structurally safe anymore. Yes, some of the graves have been interfered and are more accessible but you have to make sure you have all of the remains and have them 'stabilised' in a manner suitable for transport. There are always some that require alot of physical work to get to and to get them out. In most of these abandoned mausoleums there aren't any maps showing which individuals are entombed where. Without name plates it's difficult to identify people. When no one claims a relative who pays for all of this. Derelict buildings usually go to the local or state councils. The costs to remove the building alone is, at times, more than the land can be re-sold for. A final cost is knocking down and disposal of the waste - lots of the building materials require special disposal. All of these things that need to be done involve huge amount of staff hours to complete the paper chase and more for costs of certificates alone. That doesn't include the court costs.
Most Councils have huge funding problems and are walking a tight line to start with.
It's a huge problem. I dont think anyone thought about the possibility that something like this could ever happen. Even now it's hard to believe this could happen. Once you sit and think about it, you realise that it all becomes obvious.
Unfortunately, I can only see these incidents increasing over the next few decades.
Such a terrible thing. Suddenly RIP doesn't feel the same any more.
State needs to introduce new legislation in handling/transfer of the remains in the case of derelict mausoleums or graves. It's taboo to leave these people this way versus placing them in a new burial site. Seems more like politics is holding this up. No one wants to be the ghoulish legislator.
This is disgraceful!!! The families most likely paid alot of money to have their loved ones buried in the mausoleum so this should have never happened to begin with...aren't the cemetery owners supposed to up-keep these???
@@katherineleonowski7289 Cemeteries are the ultimate ponzi scheme. Towns, Cities, and State Cemeteries only keep up with what is in their purview. Private Cemeteries are Private Property and when the money runs out.... Plus there is a ton of red tape to go with it as well.
If anyone wants to change anything, start by changing the law, States and local Municipalities have their hands tied. Visible human remains are obviously a biohazard but no one wants the hassle of going through the motions of disturbing the remains when the people are already at rest.
A compassionate law needs to be passed to place these people in a mass grave.
• Laws
• Forensic Identification
• Mass Graves
• Caskets
• Reinternment
All of these costs money, no one wants to be the ghoulish legislator, and let's face it the bill would be full of pork because there are no political points to be won here. So the dead are left to moulder in their grave, while the rest of us are left outraged.
Mausoleums are creepy and horrible, why not let the body return to the earth or be cremated, and the ashed scattered in a sunny place?
They are from a different era when people were more superstitious about death and dead bodies. ALL mausoleums will structurally fail at some point and/or the people who manage them will go bankrupt and the land will get reclaimed. "Eternal resting place", my ass.
Some folks like myself are willing to pay more to not be underground... Cremation is usually the last resort foe families without the means for a funeral...
so why build these dam things if they are only temps
Mausoleum are not the answer to disposal of human remains, at best they only have a temporary solution.. Over time this is inevitable..
People have been buried in these since the beginning of time, Jesus was put in a tomb, it was standard practice. There are huge ones in the Los Angeles area that are 80 to 90 years old and still very nice
No amount of money can provide 'perpetual endowment'. Eventually the money for upkeep WILL run out. Eventually the building WILL crumble. So this comment was correct .. Jesus or no Jesus. Mausoleums are not a permanent solution for disposing of our dead!
@@j.whiteoak6408 The money "theoretically" can be invested correctly to provide upkeep to the mausoleum for all eternity. I mean you have generational wealth going back 200 years now when their great-great-great granddad invested in a steel mill in the early 1800's and made an empire.
The reality of the situation is that graveyards and mausoleums are bought and sold over the years, sometimes the owners are absolute crooks and steal the endowment funds meant for upkeep. Other times the people managing the money are financially illiterate and have no idea how to run a business. Hell they might not even know how to mow the grass, much less how to fill in a sunken grave, how to hire contractors to fix the marble on the mausoleum(qualified masons are hard to find FYI)
How is it that there are so few bodies in there when the building is so old? It seems like there should be more bodies, unless it is a small building.
Watch the video, it explains it
If they can't find relatives of the entombed deceased, it's most likely because the relatives themselves are deceased. If demolition of the building is the ultimate outcome, what are they going to do? Destroy the building with the bodies still inside? They have to do something.
Right? Move them to where they moved the others, show some respect!
For the deceased who are unclaimed or unidentified perhaps one large grave could be dug and inter them all together. It would be respectful to finally let them lie in peace.
If families can't be traced a court order can be pursued as the matter is urgency and for public health reasons. Moving them at $300 is a no brainer but actually I would have thought it would cost far more than that.
The City will face greater liability and legal concerns if it just lets the mausoleum collapse.
Just creamate them all their souls are not there !
That is so sad. There should be a grant to fix this problem, someone needs to take the time to write the grant. Start with the counselman.
I agree. it should not be permitted to crumble like this. Some person or persons made money by the construction of this mausoleum, where is the responsibility ?
@@garymorris1856 That person died 100 years ago
@@tmilesffl Yeah, I already know this, (duh). What's your point ?
How many more are getting ready to present the same problems.
If the state needed the land for a road, they would claim it under eminent domain. Years ago, the state removed bodies from a centuries old cemetery in St. Louis to expand the airport runway. Some of those dead, had no relatives.
Oh wow! I was telling somebody about this the other day, but never knew the name of the cemetery. En route to Troy, MO, I would pass this and hear the stories of it being moved. It was surely moved because I dont see it anymore from the interstate.
His suit is as dated as the mausoleum
Hmmmm... costs the city 300 bucks a pop to move and re-bury a body... yet I bet it was 10 times that for the families when the people were interned there...
So much for 'perpetual endowment' .. A minimum of 5% of the purchase price from the sale of crypts are supposed to be invested for the upkeep and maintenance of mausoleums. Which are privately owned. Yeah, right. Human greed is a common condition .. owners don't care that the mausoleums won't last a century because they won't be here themselves to face the music. Who wants to be interred in a hole in the wall anyway!!
That's why we buried my grandparents in a mausoleum that is run by the Catholic Church the only way this will not be maintained is if the Vatican goes belly-up God knows they've got enough money or maybe not after all the perverts that they've got in the church
Obviously lots of people want to be in these
@@tmilesffl
Right. And I have to wonder why, when so many are currently in receivership or are already abandoned to the ghouls who vandalise the crypts, and trash the coffins, often to steal the skulls and long bones in order to sell them on the black market for use in the occult. That's the destiny for many more mausoleums as time progresses. No building will stand forever.
I see crappy, cheap, hollow bricks on that mausoleum. Maybe the builder/s were trying to do a cheap job?
People paid to be buried in there. Goes to show nothing lasts forever...
Following..
All you need is a Judge's signature and it can be done. Somebody is dragging their feet. What Court Fees? You think they could get people to contribute their time and get it done!
Any workers sent in to remove the bodies would likely be risking their own lives given that the building looks like it's about to cave it.
Dam one Judge and 10 min and it done!
Hollow bricks? WTF?
And yet in Europe, there are hundreds of bodies being exhumed and placed in warehouses (that were buried because of and during the black plague) and being studied. No families are asking for this and no families are paying for this. But in America, there is a need to relocate 90 bodies and some are just being left in a crumbling hazardous situation.
Guess there is no eternal Rest anymore..sad
If the mausoleum is classed as public health hazard, and the council notify the relatives thru the media, families have six months to reply to their requests to come forward and sign relevant paperwork or the council take responsibility and disposal ( with dignity) of the remains.
How hard can it be?
If relatives don’t come forward in that time, they very likely never will because they too are dead.
You need to have proof they are dead, as soon as you move one and a relative finds out then they will look for the lottery pay day
Did they ever get the rest of these people entombed somewhere else?
If they can't locate family then take it to the judge to sign off.
That's why I hate mausoleum and crypts. Put folks into the ground.
A good genealogist can almost always find relatives somewhere. If, after a reasonable search, a court should be able to assume responsibility or appoint someone to act ad litem.
I can repair all of it but I want the city to sign over the cementery
Cremate those who remain and erect a memorial. Knock the building down.
We don't have mausoleums in Australia. Good thinking!!!!
Here in Vancouver, we do and they are very well maintained. In fact very peaceful.
We actually do. Which perplexes me, because temperatures become terribly hot in summer...
What do they do with our tax money?
WHERE ARE THE.PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PERPETUAL CARE AND CONDITION? THEY HAVE TO BE AROUND SOMEWHERE, ALSO THE STATE SHOULD COME UP WITH MONEY TO SOLVE THIS, COME ON.
um ok
Let's have a tax payers lunch and NOT talk about it!!!!!!
To much emphasis on remains. Bulldoze it and bury the debris. These people are in a better place. If it were that important to the living relatives or whomever, the building would have been maintained or had funds set aside for upkeep. It’s not unkind, it’s reality of where all remains eventually wind up. Dust to dust.
Not everyone ends up in "a better place."
Different, yes, but for many, not better.
Leave the dead in peace put a big tall fence around it have a plaqe with the names of the people still interned there and let it rot whats the problem? Leave the dam thing alone just make it so idiots can't get inside and get hurt or disturb or rob the dead left inside!!!!!
Just move the corpses, plant them in the ground and bulldoze that beast. Who will complain?
You got my vote on this comment.
Well move em I'm sure the families don't care they do and would want em moved from being crushed
That's why ground- burials, in environmentally friendly coffins, should be the only option outside of cremations.
If my family member was there and I knew the owner he would walk with a noticeable limp rest of his life
What then is your solution?
That “newscaster voice” is SUPER CRINGEY
terrible!
Cost too much? 300 bucks per removal…… but, here Ukraine……here’s 300 billion