The worst on this situation is that the minister who is doing spiritual abuse do not accept that they are doing it so because they believe that what they are doing is always right in the sense that they are a pastor or the right minister to do so! Thanks for crucial topic sir!
1) Pastors imposing personal standards as salvation-level doctrine (no beards, no wedding rings, can't follow sports, women can't wear red clothing, etc.). 2) Nepotism when it comes to positions in the church, visiting preachers, etc. It's RAMPANT. How many churches have pastoral in-laws hired to teach and preach? Also allowing family members more lee-way when THEY do something wrong, if anything is done at all. 3) Preaching against technologies, especially those that they don't understand (I heard a preacher once decry computers because the CPUs had crystals (which are used to regulate processing speed) in them. He LITERALLY said those crystals were all prayed over by New Age Witches. When I explained that those same crystals are used to regulate radio frequencies, he said that those weren't prayed over. 4) Unnecessary private intervention (My pastor told me to break up with my girlfriend so his son could date and then later marry her).
UPCI preaches a false gospel that God's grace does not extend salvation outside of their religious system. They are inherently an abusive religious organization because of this false gospel and they seem to deny the Doctrine of the Priesthood of All Believers.
Great topic Bishop!!! You addressed it in the podcast but a lot of times someone gets "abused" by someone in the church, whether that be from a saint or someone in a leadership role, and instead of taking it to Jesus and letting Him handle it, they become bitter, leave and a lot of times they end up lambasting the church.
was spiritually abused for 15 years. It’s so freeing getting out from it, however, not many are aware it even exists. See Cara’s inner healing horror for my testimony.
My pastor had entered a bussiness, and he requires every member to support him. He even use cuss words to those who do not give their 100% support and told them to go out of the church. He repeatedly preaching all that he had done for the church. Am I in a spiritually abusive church?
Alot of times the pastor of a church doesn't see the abuse that the congregation sees and feels. And the denomination, instead of dealing with the issues , sweeps it under the rug or takes forever to deal with it or ignore it all together and sides with pastor. Nothing to see here. 🤫
Galatians 5:16,17 “This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” “For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Is Matthew 18:15-18 applicable in situations where abuse has occurred? I reported concerns of verbal abuse and intimidation by my pastor (who is also my boss) to my church's leadership team. The response I got was that I needed to confront him per this passage. Even with the help of a mediator, this doesn't seem right. I want to follow scripture, but I am concerned about being taken advantage of again and that he will be able to say all of the right things to avoid accountability. I think leadership could support me by at least starting an interview process with specific people who have observed or experienced questionable behavior.
What are some effective ways for a pastor, who leads a church with over 500 people, to provide pastoral care and support beyond preaching, teaching, and conducting Bible studies within the church community?
There has been a term I've heard from many preachers where they say that we should have someone in our life that has absolute "veto power" in our life, even if they tell us something with no explanation and that we should submit to their voice. Let me preface with this, I am all for submission and believe I practice it to the best I know how. My question has been prompted because I've reflected on this statement and it's never settled well with my spirit. What are your thoughts and advice on this... many preachers across the fellowship have preached and do consistently preach that we need a man of God in our life that has "veto power" over our lives.
The Holy Spirit is your veto power. It seems these pastors forget it’s their job to ADMINISTRATE the teachings of Christ. Your compliance is voluntary not mandatory. Where in people’s lives do these ‘leaders’ suppose they have greater say than the adult has themselves?
Thank You!....Sometimes bad stuff happens...... then God makes it stop..... For those in authority that cause it, and those who have been victims, I offer these words from Jesus himself. It's one of the few 'parable type' scriptures that seems to way over-exaggerate the point. But if you've ever been the victim (mild or severe) you can be certain that Jesus really means it!..... Luke 17: Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! (2) It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. May the spirit of the One God (revealed, expressed, and manifest in Jesus the Christ) lead us into perfect unity!
Being left without Jesus or being able to defend yourself. Made and created but left without protection and handed over to toxic people whilst being commanded to achieve the 10 commandments. Whilst others are loved and protected but don't even keep the 10 commandments themselves? Jesus is Alive!!! ⛪️💕🏃♂️💨🌍
Jesus addressed the abuses and problems that he sees within the churches in the book of Revelation. Does God have to go through the UPC process to ordain and equip people of his choice? If God himself chooses to anoint and ordain someone, then can the UPC or local leadership nullify that? Should they give God guidance and counsel?
@Gerald Welch Paul also said that he was taught by Jesus personally and not schooled by the apostles or any other leaders. Gal 1:-20 Sorry, YT never sent me a notice. So, if someone is chosen by God and taught directly by God today, should the leaders reject him or accept him despite never coming from among them or never having attended any of their schooling or colleges or read their books?
Jesus told Peter, Get thee behind me Satan. Jesus told the Priest, Your father is the Devil and the deeds of your father you will do. Jesus told them, if God was your father you would hear my words. Jesus said, It's easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter Heaven. Jesus didn't beat around the bush, He came straight to the point.
So you finally decide to call out a narcissist pastor for his behavior on everything being about him and for his personal gain and behavior towards the less fortunate and he has a saint/wolf make a non spirit led tunge of interpretation condemning folks and wanting judgement on ppl all to comfort the pastor..when facing spiritual abuse you must let another spiritual leader know because these abusive pastors know how to keep it underneath the table to were nobody knows.the abuser wants u to blame the church so they can get away with there crime but dont.. see the root of the issue and give it to GOD.pray for them and be real with GOD he knows how to deal with these individuals surely he can intervine in the affairs of man.i know some abuse can cause great harm and make u see things differently but can GOD trust you with truble?please dont let a pastors abuse change your relationship with GOD the LORD will show up in your situation.
The worst on this situation is that the minister who is doing spiritual abuse do not accept that they are doing it so because they believe that what they are doing is always right in the sense that they are a pastor or the right minister to do so! Thanks for crucial topic sir!
Oh yes! I just had this very heart breaking experience inside my church where I call my second home. I don't know how start again 😢
Listen to this man of God, folks! It doesn't get any better than this!
1) Pastors imposing personal standards as salvation-level doctrine (no beards, no wedding rings, can't follow sports, women can't wear red clothing, etc.).
2) Nepotism when it comes to positions in the church, visiting preachers, etc. It's RAMPANT. How many churches have pastoral in-laws hired to teach and preach? Also allowing family members more lee-way when THEY do something wrong, if anything is done at all.
3) Preaching against technologies, especially those that they don't understand (I heard a preacher once decry computers because the CPUs had crystals (which are used to regulate processing speed) in them. He LITERALLY said those crystals were all prayed over by New Age Witches. When I explained that those same crystals are used to regulate radio frequencies, he said that those weren't prayed over.
4) Unnecessary private intervention (My pastor told me to break up with my girlfriend so his son could date and then later marry her).
UPCI preaches a false gospel that God's grace does not extend salvation outside of their religious system. They are inherently an abusive religious organization because of this false gospel and they seem to deny the Doctrine of the Priesthood of All Believers.
Bro David Bernard is a man who exhibits the Fruit of the Spirit in his teaching and I thank God for him. This was such a great lesson - Thank you!
Great topic Bishop!!! You addressed it in the podcast but a lot of times someone gets "abused" by someone in the church, whether that be from a saint or someone in a leadership role, and instead of taking it to Jesus and letting Him handle it, they become bitter, leave and a lot of times they end up lambasting the church.
Very good. Thank you for this clear articulate distinction between godly authority and spiritual abuse🕊️ God continue to bless you 🙏🏼
was spiritually abused for 15 years. It’s so freeing getting out from it, however, not many are aware it even exists. See Cara’s inner healing horror for my testimony.
I appreciate you guys answering this after I commented it. Seems like you guys really do read the comments. Definitely worth the SUB!
I can also attest that they do read the comments, even if they don't reply in the comments section.
I definitely prefer this type of video response!
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Great explanation 🙏🏽
Thank You for addressing this topic.
Thank you.
My pastor had entered a bussiness, and he requires every member to support him. He even use cuss words to those who do not give their 100% support and told them to go out of the church. He repeatedly preaching all that he had done for the church. Am I in a spiritually abusive church?
That’s definitely abuse.
Help me pray for God to use me in the ministry to reach out people for deliverance
Alot of times the pastor of a church doesn't see the abuse that the congregation sees and feels. And the denomination, instead of dealing with the issues , sweeps it under the rug or takes forever to deal with it or ignore it all together and sides with pastor. Nothing to see here. 🤫
Galatians 5:16,17
“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.”
“For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
Cheers Sir
Is Matthew 18:15-18 applicable in situations where abuse has occurred? I reported concerns of verbal abuse and intimidation by my pastor (who is also my boss) to my church's leadership team. The response I got was that I needed to confront him per this passage. Even with the help of a mediator, this doesn't seem right. I want to follow scripture, but I am concerned about being taken advantage of again and that he will be able to say all of the right things to avoid accountability. I think leadership could support me by at least starting an interview process with specific people who have observed or experienced questionable behavior.
What are some effective ways for a pastor, who leads a church with over 500 people, to provide pastoral care and support beyond preaching, teaching, and conducting Bible studies within the church community?
I have never seen a pastor as an abuser but have seen the wife as one!
There has been a term I've heard from many preachers where they say that we should have someone in our life that has absolute "veto power" in our life, even if they tell us something with no explanation and that we should submit to their voice.
Let me preface with this, I am all for submission and believe I practice it to the best I know how. My question has been prompted because I've reflected on this statement and it's never settled well with my spirit.
What are your thoughts and advice on this... many preachers across the fellowship have preached and do consistently preach that we need a man of God in our life that has "veto power" over our lives.
The Holy Spirit is your veto power. It seems these pastors forget it’s their job to ADMINISTRATE the teachings of Christ. Your compliance is voluntary not mandatory. Where in people’s lives do these ‘leaders’ suppose they have greater say than the adult has themselves?
Thank You!....Sometimes bad stuff happens...... then God makes it stop..... For those in authority that cause it, and those who have been victims, I offer these words from Jesus himself. It's one of the few 'parable type' scriptures that seems to way over-exaggerate the point. But if you've ever been the victim (mild or severe) you can be certain that Jesus really means it!..... Luke 17: Then said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come! (2) It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
May the spirit of the One God (revealed, expressed, and manifest in Jesus the Christ) lead us into perfect unity!
Being left without Jesus or being able to defend yourself. Made and created but left without protection and handed over to toxic people whilst being commanded to achieve the 10 commandments.
Whilst others are loved and protected but don't even keep the 10 commandments themselves?
Jesus is Alive!!!
⛪️💕🏃♂️💨🌍
Wow, Thank you much.
Bro David K Bernard, one local church need a 1 pastor or varios?
Some can only afford one, but that Pastor needs someone to be held accountable one way or another.
What do we call it when people in leadership hold personal convictions equal to biblical mandates?
Amen
❤🙏🏻
Jesus addressed the abuses and problems that he sees within the churches in the book of Revelation.
Does God have to go through the UPC process to ordain and equip people of his choice? If God himself chooses to anoint and ordain someone, then can the UPC or local leadership nullify that? Should they give God guidance and counsel?
No but why would you not want to go through the process? Paul didn't just start preaching after Damascus.
@Gerald Welch Paul also said that he was taught by Jesus personally and not schooled by the apostles or any other leaders. Gal 1:-20
Sorry, YT never sent me a notice.
So, if someone is chosen by God and taught directly by God today, should the leaders reject him or accept him despite never coming from among them or never having attended any of their schooling or colleges or read their books?
🤔🤔🤔
Jesus told Peter, Get thee behind me Satan.
Jesus told the Priest, Your father is the Devil and the deeds of your father you will do.
Jesus told them, if God was your father you would hear my words.
Jesus said, It's easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter Heaven.
Jesus didn't beat around the bush, He came straight to the point.
So you finally decide to call out a narcissist pastor for his behavior on everything being about him and for his personal gain and behavior towards the less fortunate and he has a saint/wolf make a non spirit led tunge of interpretation condemning folks and wanting judgement on ppl all to comfort the pastor..when facing spiritual abuse you must let another spiritual leader know because these abusive pastors know how to keep it underneath the table to were nobody knows.the abuser wants u to blame the church so they can get away with there crime but dont.. see the root of the issue and give it to GOD.pray for them and be real with GOD he knows how to deal with these individuals surely he can intervine in the affairs of man.i know some abuse can cause great harm and make u see things differently but can GOD trust you with truble?please dont let a pastors abuse change your relationship with GOD the LORD will show up in your situation.