Problem With Spider-Man... & They Are Killing WHO?
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For those wondering, the "leaks" Im referencing were officially leaks until we already filmed the video. Marvel has confirmed the leaks at this point. I debated redoing the video, or at least the ending to go over the "leaks" but my opinion remains. Once we get more information on the topic I"ll be making a video on it specifically, because there is a whole can of worms to unpack with the reveal. But lets try and be polite and not put it in the comments. Some people want to be surprised even though Marvel themselves released an article about it 2 weeks ahead of the issue.
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It’s a problem for Peter because he charities life a lot lost of any kind close or not it will eat at him and the guilt of failure will destroy him then potentially MJ through that will come back to Peter and comfort him. If I be honest, I’m tired of MJ and Peter because they constantly on and off depending on the writer or story. Leave MJ with Paul and keep Peter with Silk, Black cat, or heck even spider Gwen/ghost but I prefer original Gwen whatever. MJ can still be there for Peter but as a friend and nothing more.
@@lWeBeatIt278and leave all the history between Peter and MJ in the waste bin? Screw that.
@@Konnik92 do you want to keep going to through song and dance with those two? I don’t because I’m tired of it. It’s about moving on and leaving the past behind
Also MS. Marvel is a plot device to get Peter and MJ back together, has anyone else noticed that.
Love the idea of Wally West putting his hands on Peters shoulder “First time?”
What happened to Wally West?
@@The-Mountain-King101 yes
@@draykohunter6805 thank you.
But again, what happened to Wally West.
Im not super up to date with DC , so maybe theres more (i hope not lol) but DC erase him from the timeline in the new52 reboot, then brought him back but not his kids , and his wife didnt know who he was anymore, he got even heart problems , plus there's all the stuff with "heroes in crisis" with Wally killing a bunch of heroes/villain by accident (wasnt his fault) and gets trow in jail by choice. After that there's probably more but i dont know about it.
@@The-Mountain-King101 Flash Rebirth, New 52, Heroes in Crisis
I think the big issue to be had with Zeb Wells's run is how it is a complete reversal from Nick Spencer's Spider-man run. The whole point of Spencer's run was having Peter get back together with MJ and setting up a confrontation with the OMD incident. After the end of that run with Beyond and Black Cat outright telling multiple people she does not want to get back with Peter, what is the first thing that happens in the new run? MJ and Peter are somehow broken up with MJ having a family, and Black Cat starts dating Peter very early in the run. Donny Cates's Hulk had a similar issue. Immortal Hulk ends with Banner and Hulk reconciling. What does the very next issue have Banner doing? Piloting the Hulk's body like a starship because he doesn't trust the Hulk. They always say comics need to reset characters, but when it is this blatant, it feels like a betrayal of the character.
Agreed
But they explained it well eventually with the hulk stuff. In the recent issues
@@devinbrewer8956 True, but I still remember a lot of hate being thrown around after that first issue. Which is a shame because in a vacuum, Starship Hulk sounds hilariously fun
@@blackday1013 it really was a great run! I've enjoyed all the hulk comics for the past couple years
That sounds so wrong, the writing I mean, they just do that?
I think the difference between Batman and Spider-Man stories is that Batman writers include a beginning and end for the character so there are definitive breaks in the character. Plus marvel keeps saying that everything is more or less in continuity which doesn’t really work when with every new writer the character slightly changes without reason.
Agreed. Using the Tom King Batman run as a reference, it was very different, but King used that near death experience with the plane as a jumping point. It perfectly set up that more introspective Batman.
Which is why I thank God for the *animated (and kinda no way home)* spiderverse. Different universes, different Peters.
Chip Zdarsky currently writing a better Peter Parker in his Daredevil run than wells is in his own Spider-Man run
Joe Fixit is a better Spider-Man story than Wells's Amazing Spider-Man.
Chip wrote one of the best damn Spider-Man/Peter Parker stories EVER, with Life Story.
@@Kenshiro3rd What If: Spider's Shadow is a great story too
@@elijahbruno2814 Disagreed. I found Spider's Shadow disappointing because it went back and reneged on its entire premise. The entire point of the story was to be a "what if Peter never rejected the symbiote" only to have him reject it part way through... which completely undermined & ruined it IMO.
@@Kenshiro3rd Opposite sides here I feel like the weight on Peter's shoulders became too much the longer he went on his spree. Aunt May being blown up by Hobgoblin then what happens to him, Peter killing Scorpion, Shocker, Rhino, Mysterio, Beetle, and critically injuring Kingpin, JJ being the one to discover Peter was Spiderman in the battle and making a complete 180 were all great moments in the story. I don't know man I really enjoyed it and the symbiote taking over Reed and the rest of New York made it much more intense showing what Peter's decision to keep it leads into
The fact Zeb Wells is co writing for the Marvels movie is hilarious tbh
The movie look horrible like the new mcu besides guardians of the Galaxy 3
That is, terrifying, I kind of just assumed they got a woman to do it, not saying men can't right woman but some of them can't and then there's all this
He's only one of the writers for the film. Plus he's written some other comics folks seem to like. Hellions is an example. But he definetly dropped the ball for The Amazing Spider-Man 2022.
He’s also writing Deadpool 3
Your profile picture fits so well
This has got to be without a doubt the worse run of a Spider-Man book ever. Bad enough Marvel screw over Peter, now they're screwing over Kamala!
I just don't like it cause she is a kid I think they could kill black cat and it could work better
WHY KAMALA?? Bastards. My favorite character in recent times and they kill her
@@doubleasworkshop1692 Heck, I was never really a fan of her. But even I hate this decision! it just feels so wrong and sad actually.
@@connoroldestson3527 Yeah. If it was someone like say...I'm gonna go with Colossus (I have nothing against him), then it'd be fine since he's an adult. But Kamala...SHE'S A KID! WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?!
Being so unrelated to spiderman, her death will draw in all her readers to check out that issue
Hot take, the problem with Spider-Man is a lack of character progression. It feels like he was reset after one more day and has just been stuck in limbo since. Now there have been good arcs and stories, but Peter has never progressed. Look at the first 40ish years, he graduated high school, went to college, got a job, left college, got married, lost people, gained people and fought escalating battles. Since one more day he’s just reset every 3 years. If you don’t want him with MJ for example then that’s fine….but give him someone else, stop having him pine after her, imagine the shock if he marries someone new and has kids at least that would be progression.
Hot take. He needs to be with MJ precisely because of how they were broken up. Why would anyone get invested in another relationship when the last one was torched on a whim by editorial demands even if they had to spend a decade assassinating every character involved.
This is the most cold take ever bro 💀
@@wellingtonvictorneves5980yes thank you! Have the dude move on!
@@bluejay4214 I wonder how editorial will F*** Felicia's character, I mean she is probably the next, we got Gwen, we got MJ (twice), my money is on Full Villain that will somehow be dating another villain in secret
At the end of the day i think what it really needs to come down to is where would you be in ur late 20s or however old he is expected to be.
For the most part he should be in a somewhat stable job and have a relationship plus look completely competent in what he is doing, its been 40 years and sometimes peter still struggles with small things like it should be muscle memory at some points
The difference between Spiderman and most other heroes is that they stay relatively consistent. Superman is the infallible boyscout, Batman is edge incarnate, Ironman is troubled but is still willing to do the right thing. Spiderman just feels like he has no identity anymore. Yes, the movie and game Spiders are all different, but they are more akin to a remix song, whereas the comics one feels like a lifeless punching bag. Nothing makes him unique anymore, and they always have to find some way to "shake up" his existence. It's just annoying because this isn't Spiderman. This is a husk in his suit.
Yep. When I say Spider-man isn't like himself i'm talking about Spider-man from 60s to 90s and lesser extent Pre-OMD. Every time Spider-man is adapted it's someone's OC with Spider powers. The fact that Spider-verse exist and they all basically share similar Powers, jokes, Origins, Guilt/responsibility, and luck as Peter shows that Peter is nothing but an idea that can be given to anyone than an actual character.
Nothing about him is unique and defined anymore. People like Benny just accept anyone calling himself Peter as long as he has terrible luck and tells jokes and say, yep that's Spidey.
When Comic writers change characters' personalities into somewhere WE KNOW they wouldn't say and do people call it a bad run and he doesn't understand the character. To claim that you can write Peter any way and it's still Spider-man shows you're not a Spider-man fan, you're just a fan of the powers and jokes.
@Celestial Soldier Benny isn't wrong about how a character is only one in concept, but the problem is still that alot of them are set in their ways. I just think that post Parker Industry's, they've kinda just floundered the character. Also, call me crazy, but I think a universe reset is coming soon because if not, there is no way someone would be allowed to a main character less than three months before their movie because the Kamala thing is real. I just think they are doing random shit before so they can carry stuff over like DC does
@@darkmessiah757 And i think what's ruining Peter is that he's only a character concept and not an actual one. I'm not a fan of the idea of Spider-man but the actual Spider-man Pre OMD. To say it's "Just how it is" And "you can't complain" is a dumb defence of writing an out of character hero.
@Celestial Soldier it's odd because it works for a lot of other heroes, so idk why everyone ruins Peter. It's strange, but I hope thue kinda just put a pause to Spiderman. Still, they get something going because it feels like they want to justify not making his comics anymore
@@darkmessiah757 IT doesn't work for other heroes. That's why everyone complains about some writers sucking because they write heroes out of character. Benny even used Tom King as an example of who people hate but dismiss it.
This is why I roll my eyes whenever I hear about _"moving the character forward."_ If the writer hasn't done a hundred issues of just regular stories with a hero and badguy then they shouldn't be trusted to change the status quo.
12:25
Peter actually did told Johnny and Ben what happened. They replied that they couldn't help him right away because Reed and Sue were off-world and they were waiting for Captain America to question Peter about the explosion in York
That's when Peter started freaking the hell out
Good point.
Yep. He asked them for help and they said "You might be a criminal." So he said F You and then Reed was all like "You could've asked" after she stole from them like the gaslighting losers Zeb made them into.
Bruh somebody give me the pen. I'd get MJ and Peter Married with a child on the way in the FIRST ISSUE. Have MJ be pregnant for most of the run and then throw this BIG event where Peter is trying to make it to the hospital because MJ is in labor
Create some new villains, bring back the development of a couple old ones like Sandman, Doc Ock and Rhino aka they should ALL be good guys now
Also Peter's child is his SON Benjy that we never got to see grow up with a story centered around him. My next run would start with him at toddler age and then around the age Annie May was when Peter took on Regent in Renew Your Vows
Give Peter his Black and Red suit back to show his growth
And then maybe bave a simultaneous run of a comic called the SPIDER BROS. With Peter, Ben and Kaine and Miles can cameo. Basically a buddy cop comic like the Spider-Man/Deadpool comics where they go on wacky adventures and Peter has to hoggle being a dad.
Ben and Kaine are also just NORMAL people and have stable lives maybe they take half a side from Peter. Ben is with a science nerd and Kaine gets with someone who is similar to black cat...or maybe even Silk, think they would make a good pairing🤔🤷♂️
Black Cat is the God Mother of Benjy and seen as an Aunt figure so maybe she watches Benjy when both Peter and MJ are busy. She's also moved on relatively from Peter and maybe gotten with Flash Thompson since they took Betty from him for whatever reason
I'll call this entire run the QUINTESSIONAL Spider-Man
I’m not gonna lie, you might on to something with that Spider-Bros pitch
Heck, Nick put them back together and his very first issue and the way he had Peters life pretty much ruined actually made a bit more sense
Sounds great too bad Spider editorial wouldn't allow it
I like your story especially with Peter Parker and Mary Jane having there kids mayday Benjy and Annie being a happy family because that sounds really awesome and tons of fun.
Someone hire this man
So the kids aren’t actually hers.
I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this but when I read this, I was relieved. I still feel bad for kids because they lost their real parents, but it still feels great to know that Peter wasn’t “cucked” as some fans say that he was.
I still wonder how the hell those kids survive in a post apocalypse universe without food and water.
@@TevyaSmolkaeither their parents died recently, or they survived through luck.
@@The-Mountain-King101 or another option that aztec god jerk created them through magic.
She still boned that guy.
@@TevyaSmolka yeah it shows him saying she needs to “accept her chains” then they find the kids.
I’m pretty sure Reed alone would’ve understood Peter’s situation in a single sentence.
I like when Benny actually gives good criticism of current year books.
Yess!!
And it's actual critiques and not just blind rage and calling everything "woke"
@@rooracleaf561 I'm not sure I heard anyone ever name that argument
@@rooracleaf561 Since when does Benny do that...? If anything he does the opposite.
Another youtuber referred to this run as "Peter torture porn." I'm not inclined to disagree.
“Kamala Kahn is going to die.”
If I had a nickel for every dumb thing that’s happened to Kamala Kahn in the past year (at least that I’ve seen), I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
But isn’t she getting a movie
@@MsRickyawesome
Did you watch the video? It’s referring to the comic version
@@stevenmattrell3448 I know, but why are they killing off the comic version if the movie version is coming out, that how you lose sales
Spider-Man: "Please stop making my life miserable!" 😢
Marvel: "Ehhhhhh...Nope" *Throws Peter into the cell of continuously mistreated characters*
Spider-Man: "Oh, my back...Why are you here, by the way?"
Donna Troy: "They drastically changed my origin story like 50 times in less than 10 years. No one could suffer more horrible treatment than that!"
Spider-Man: "You'd better have a seat..."
Batman: welcome to the club
Wally : "oh my god it's spider-man"
Mary Grayson : "yoo spidey been a while eh"
@@adaman.shr.3538 Peter: Wait, you're here too, Invincible!? Didn't you at least get a happy ending with your redhead in your series?
@@SpideyfanX invincible : son hates me daughter is spoiled and too much paperwork.
Cyclops: *Drunken on the floor crying*
Wolverine: My life sucks...
I don't understand why they chose to kill Ms. Marvel twice in less than 5 years. She die back in 2020 in The Champions comic and she's dead now. If this is to make her a mutant and give her MCU powers that's a stupid way of doing it.
It isn't mean it isn't stupid it's actually the most easy and least confusing way of doing it because Krakoa exists and their people who does the reviving do mess up when they revive someone
So it's actually smart
They have already fucked up revivals they made cyclops eyes not blast beams uncontrollable by mistake
They also revived captain america with his shield
They fucked up twice with Wolverine
The mistakenly give Laura full skeleton coated with metal
Now there's 2 of her because they made a mistake
Because it’s hard to keep a character like her in the universe as her comic run is kinda… garbage. And had to be rebooted again and again, so they’re taking her out of the picture.
Wally West aka The Flash has been killed twice this year. I’ll take the twice in 5 years.
This is why I don't read things that make me angry, anymore. I simply don't pick it up. Gotta speak with my wallet. Spider-Man stories are the embodiment of "Well, if 1 conflict makes a story interesting, than making it all conflict must make it super interesting!"
And the sad part is, I get it. As we heard from everyone's criticism of MCU Spider-Man, people want to see Peter struggle. They don't actually want to see him succeed in life. I mean, a majority of people's favorite MCU Spider-Man movie is the one where he specifically loses it all. But there's conflict to invoke pathos, and then there's misery for misery's sake. Also, if we're gonna get parasocial about it, if you identify with Peter Parker, and just because you (Marvel Editorial or fans of the Mephisto deal) can't get a hot, supermodel girlfriend, it doesn't mean Peter shouldn't be able to. I understand that Spider-Man isn't Superman. The early comics pretty much wrote Peter that he was this close to a supervillain origin story, but he chooses to do the right thing, making him a hero. But I think everyone's lost sight of that one thing and warped it. Now he's the architect of his own downfall because that makes for juicy stories. Except it doesn't (not for me, anyway). It's like a carrot-and-stick method, but there's only stick.
I feel bad for Zeb Wells. I feel like he's just the fall guy for the big wigs who have specific agendas for Spider-Man. So, I don't blame him for what's going on. He's the one moving the pen, but those aren't his words.
That wasn’t the critique of MCU Spider-Man. Don’t be disingenuous.
I think in my own opinion, peter parker did a lot of stupid things in this story yet alone it's really fucked seeing marvel screwing over peter parker yet again for their own evil idealistic narrative.
I would rather see mcu spider-man, do stuff that makes him a hero while acting like a kid and teenager but far from home messed up his character?
No way home repaired his character along with that, giving a lot of terrible struggles except for a few bad moments in that film I still enjoy homecoming and no way home because they give us a boy growing up into a man.
@EZ that was the criticism of MCU spiderman
@@ez6888 There are people who have given mcu spider-man that critique. There is never *the* critique, everyone has issues with things for their own reasons with some thing having more attention and prominent arguments than others.
Very well said. You're right on the nose with how I feel about this run. Let Spider-Man be an adult with some stability in his life. I know his struggles are relatable but this is an example of how cyclical things have been.
It's asinine how these higher ups who's job isn't to write to story are so keen on limiting the writers and forcing them to try to give people what they think they want but don't understand nuance of storytelling nor what endeared fans to these characters.
Also a thing about relatability I'd postulate that people out there could still relate to Spider-Man if he was married and had his career together. People out there do get nice girlfriends, stable and healthy relationships, and careers they're happy with. I'm still single and trying to make something of myself. I'd love to see Spider-Man get there.
Marvel Editorial sweats bullets when they see how happy people are with Mayday being in Across the Spider-verse
Let them sweat.
See, i both agree and disagree with the statement you made about the "not my spiderman" thing. See, each writer has their own take on the character but continuity still matters. In previous stories he would work to talk things out with others, its a core part of his character. I feel a better comparison fir peter is clark than bruce. Like imagine if superman was written that way, lois is in trouble and instead of explaining whats wrong to the jl he punches batman and flies away. People wouldnt read that and say "oh its an alternate take" they would say "superman would never do that" because superman has been shown to be the level headed one who accepts the help. Peter is the same way in most of the more recent continuity.
I agree. You can change up small things about the character but you still need to keep to core personality traits of the character because if it not, they're just a brand new character each story
I disagree I seen Peter repeatedly punch first for no reason other than "?"
I would say he's the king at randomly just attacking people
@@ryice944 I think that is more of an early Spider-man thing. They used to have him fly off the handle a lot because he got in the habit of needing to prove himself after all that bullying in high school, but I don't think that has been a part of his character in almost 20 years.
@@blackday1013 he punched at miles randomly after just meeting him and all miles did was say hi
@@ryice944 i actually dont remember him attacking miles, was this when miles first came to 616 or did they know each other?
“The problem with Spider-Man”
*J Jonah Jameson has entered the chat*
This is the “Rick Grayson” arc for Spidey in my opinion
Except boring
The only problem with that logic is that a character in a continuity is supposed to be written with consistent personality traits in each of their stories, not all over the map. The "different writers" argument only works if each writer is working in their own reality.
Yes it only work in elseworlds, because if are going to make drastic changes in established character's personality and past story, what's the point in making it canon?
This must be one of the best 'rants' you've done.
Really good, incisive analysis.
Of course, because this is Spider-Man, you've missed the obvious twist in the end: it's ACTUALLY Kamala Khan's *clone*!!!!!
Is it really?
@@The-Mountain-King101 I hope so. Is she safe? Is she alright?
Edit: Well this aged. Idk if it aged well or poorly but it aged.
@@Salem-1610 I’m afraid, that in Marvel’s anger, they killed her.
@@The-Mountain-King101 *in the voice of a man who killed his own wife and many kids and lost most of his body including his dick* NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOO
DC comics feels like Shakespeare when you start reading Marvel comics.
DC always was good.
A couple of days ago, a friend of mine who was a massive spider man fan said this to me after reading #25:
"MARVEL should take a page from DC kill off this Spider-Man and bring in Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows Peter, Mj and thier daughter.
Because that would have the same effect but better.
Peter would be in a world where he recognises a lot of characters but said characters don't trust him because they think he's a clone and better yet when Paul tries to confront them, Peter can punch him the face.
Since let's face it he and those children are just another ploy by Mephisto, that how it's gonna end we all now that they are not staying!"
Oh wow, this is actually a good idea. I would be absolutely fine if Marvel did that.
As cool as that would be, I don't want the current writers anywhere near renew your vows Spidy and Mj
Unfortunately I don't know if Mephisto is going to be anywhere in this run. Not after that big conflict in the Avengers run. They're probably going to let the Mephisto/Spider-man plot simmer for a couple years.
Interesting...I find that to be a kind of cop out, but would be a valid option to get us to a spiderman that feels like the actual character, I'd be down to see a time skip, go 3 years in the future, Pete and MJ are back together, get engaged and have him face some new villains but also start to see some old ones rehabilitate, and some others just continue to be crazy and we can see the comparison, could be fun!!!
the issue with that idea is that DC was allowed to kill new 52 superman. Because that isn't the superman most superman fans grew up with. He was the new take. Then they brought a superman that was just a full on pre-52 superman with a family. Marvel got away with killing Ultimate spider-man because it wasn't main continuity it was a different universe. The last thing the majority of Spider-Man fans want would be the original 616 Peter Parker to die. What people want is 616 peter parker to not to be screwed over. for him to have progression in his life. Not for him to be killed and replaced with an identical peter parker that has a family. because We want to see Peter form that family. Have Mayday parker, have Ben parker maybe even have Annie. However spiderman editorial has tried their hardest to prevent that from being a reality. and I doubt Renew your vows spiderman would have that happiness last long anyways.
@comicstorian 19:35 - 20:20 the problem with that point is that all these different Spider-Men from movies, animated series and video games are indeed different - because they exist in different worlds and universes while the Slott, Spencer and Well's comics Spider-Man exist in ONE AND THE SAME earth and universe (616), being about the same Spider-Man. This is why fans are saying Peter/Spider-Man is "acting out if character" and Wells is ignoring the source material.
I would argue that they don't care about Spider-man and that's why they're letting this happen. The one thing that seems to be consistent with each story arc is that they will never let Peter be happy and that's ultimately the problem. In order for Peter to grow as a person, he needs that joy in his life. He needs to have things work out for him so that he can advance his career or his social life. But so far, he's gotten neither. Since magically divorcing Mary Jane, he's been miserable and hasn't had anything work out for him. His businesses have failed. His relationships have failed.
In my opinion, here are the things that need to be done.
Peter needs to be with MJ again. Better yet, bring back Mayday to completely undo the events of One More Day. Some people are still pissed about One More Day 15 yrs later. It would also coincide with Sinister War or whatever that story was called. Just do it rather than teasing it.
At some point, Peter should just go back to work at Oscorp or teaching at NYU. Damage Control would also be an option though. Give him a more stable job and a stable life.
Tone down the mysticism. Peter shouldn't be that involved with things like Demons and the Multiverse. I understand Spider-Verse was popular, but this shouldn't be the norm for a Spider-man storyline. He is out of his league in those events.
I'm 15 years old when I got into comics I thought spiderman was a trash nobody then I went back and read some of the old comics he used to be so cool bring back the badges spiderman that could take on the whole x-men and get married the next day
Wouldnt say out of his league tbh. Peter is more powerful than most know. Just tone it down cause theyve been SPAMMING the idea too much recently
Yep, the constant regression of Peter and MJ's relationship status is really annoying. I get that it's an easy target for drama but it's so cheap and shallow to go there so may times.
@@no.1spidey-fan182 The reason why I say it's out of his league is that the Spider-verse, Spider Totems, and all that deals a lot more with multiverse and mysticism whereas Spider-man is usually more of a street level hero. He's usually found stopping criminals in Queens, not traveling to Earth-xxxx to stop some angry vampire out to kill every Spider-man in the multiverse.
The constant attempt to make him a bigger part of the Marvel Universe just feels wrong.
@@ohnosmoarlulcatz Spiderman has taken on several cosmic level beings over the years. He's only street level cause he CHOOSES to be. He can easily operate in higher categories. Theres a reason he's able to hold down an entire city almost singlehandedly and it isnt cause he street tier😂.
Hell his biggest villains are ALL Avengers Level Threats. Goblin, Venom and Doc Ock. Spiderman is always gonna be a part of the bigger marvel universe...trying to keep his street tier is ludicrous and is part of the reasoning they NEVER let him GROW even tho Stan Lee and Steve Ditko always wanted him to be MORE. He was the hero thay was SUPOOSED to GROW with his audience
He's forced into this low tier box that he's TOO BIG to be in, considering all his feats, stats and even his original character traits. Cable and 2099 have both stated that Spiderman is the GREATEST HERO of the older generation...how exactly is he supposed to become that remaining street tier? If he is street tier then he's at the very TOP of the list which is why he always on again off again when it comes to being an Avenger.
Not saying he should always be multiverse hopping cause that gets stale...but I am frankly SICK of him taking on a bunch of low tiers like vulture and the ufoes and SOMEHOW LOSING!? Even regular thugs give him trouble now and in older comics he treated them like fodder and could speed blitz like 20 of them in one page🤦♂️
So the solution is either Spiderman comics need to END cause multiverse threats shouldnt be the main focus and he's too big to take on small fries anymore OR we get a MASSIVE overhaul akin to what we got in the Big Time Arc and post Superior Spider-Man. Where he's still "street tier" but his villains are actual THREATS. With new Villains and Older ones moving on and having their mantles taken up
idk why marvel never let peter parker have a happy ending
Batman never got one so why should he ?
@@killmonger5097 good point but 2 different characters man
@@killmonger5097 is batman marvel comics? That was a stupid question and one has zero to do with the other.
@@killmonger5097 Batman has a much better life tho. He actually has a family and people that look up to amd reslect him in comparison to peter who has NOTHING. Batman is WAAAY more developed than current peter
@@no.1spidey-fan182 I thought Peter and MJ have gotten married before and had kids isn’t this amazing Spider-Man just one of his reality’s ?
Ben Riley in Dark Web was like, "I WANT PROBLEMS, ALWATS!!"
The problem is very simple. It’s Zeb Wells. Honest to god we need to rollback before the Beyond Book and continue on as if these arcs never happened.
By this logic, the next writer could make Peter a serial rapist and you couldn't say "Spiderman wouldn't do that".
Actually theres criteria of what spiderman CAN and CANNOT be. So as long as the writers those cross those lines and follow that criteria they can do whatever they wamt practically
@No.1 Spidey-Fan I meant that comistorian is making a bad argument with the different writer thing.
20:00 when people typically say “this isn’t how Peter would act” in a common sense. I think they’re just looking at where the character started and asking how is Peter still in these positions now. Peter isn’t in college anymore, yet it always feels like the writers go out of their way to ruin his life so he can stay in that “Everyman” mindset. Despite the fact the dudes a young genius and we already have a book that’s out right now that showed he doesn’t physically even have to be Spiderman to help the world if he didn’t want to especially when there are other spidermen around.
Parker Industries was a good idea but it was just executed badly. But look at Spiderman PS4, older Peter still a little down on his luck but he’s trying to be a scientist, he’s trying to make things work with Mj, Aunt May actually dies and it’s going to stick, but he’s okay with it he can grow from it. Miles is his student, and he can rely on Miles to the point he can take breaks every now and then instead of worrying about every little thing going on in New York. He’s not constantly punished for being Spiderman he’s growing up and trying to use his skills, which is his mind, to make his life better. It doesn’t feel forced, everything feels natural,
I think natural progression is what everyone is looking for with Spiderman
Man I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought Dark Web was just all over the place. I needed this video! Thank you so much for your work and updates! Love your channel bro
Honestly if the late Stan lee is to see what they are doing to his boy spidey, he would mad as hell. He is right now probably rolling in his grave in anger.
Stan Lee has gone on record saying he was fine with Brand New Day. Whether that’s corporate speak or himself, you can’t presume he’ll be in a rage about this stuff.
@@ChromaticEagle I doubt this would be forgiven by Stan
@@ChromaticEaglethey use stan Lee as a nft so I don't trust what stan Lee say about marvel. And look other interview with him independly of marvel.
See, there's one thing that Peter Parker should be consistently. Across any telling of his story as Spider-Man, no matter who the wroter is.
He's smart. Peter Parker is smart, he's a genius. So the writer should take into account Peter's intelligence.
I get that Peter is panicking and freaking out, but even then Peter should at least be able to spell out the basics of the situation to the most intelligent mind of his universe.
"Mary Jane is stuck in a dimension that moves faster than ours." That's all he needed to say. He could have said he was gone a week in the other world, and only a day or so has only passed in here.
Peter was stupid because the plot demanded that Peter needs to be reset to the "alone and miserable" status quo. That's one of the main things that i think people mean when they say "Not my Spider-Man "
Zeb Wells should never touch a Spider-Man project again
I adore the Spectacular Spider-man tv show. It left too soon :(
*SPOILER COMMENT ABOUT THE LEAKS!!!*
I'm willing to bet literal money that (if they didn’t already since idk if they already did that with comic book ms. Marvel) that they're gonna kill her off to revive her so she can get her new powers that were shown in the movie...
I hate that I could see that too
Okay but if that was the plan, why not just have LOSE her powers and gain new ones instead?
@@Jayster-ud9om Electric blue Ms. Marvel?
22:00
Hold on, people's Favorite run... civil war? I've heard alot of things over the years about that storyline; that it was willing to shake things up, that it had major impact, that it set up alot to come, but it being someone favorite was never one of them.
This is why my comic book character ideas, that I’ve been workshopping for around three years, are going to DC and Image comics.
Hope it goes well for you bro 🔥
An alternate reality I would like to see and I'm surprised we hadn't gotten is a universe where Spidey and Black Cat have a kid together. Maybe even have that kid grow up to be Spider-Man or Spider-Woman, or maybe they could be a twin duo.
My thing with the dimension moving faster plot is that Peter couldn't stop for a second to explain things to the F4 but had time to wait a couple of days for norman fucking osborn to put together a machine for him? Personally, I think I would put my trust in Reed Richards to have a fast turnaround on multiversal travel than the green goblin.
This whole separating Peter and MJ thing I’m the Zeb Wells run doesn’t even make sense, at least to me. When you ask a random joe whose Spider-Man’s girlfriend and they’ll say MJ. MJ is the definitive girlfriend for Peter and I get them not wanting Peter and MJ to get married, I see where they are coming from actually but not having them at least in a relationship is dumb.
It’s crazy to think that the whole “What did Spider-Man do” thing could’ve been avoided if MJ had left instead of Peter like he planned.
Oh hell yeah. New comicstorian video 😎
90s spider-man is so underrated. It introduced me to the character then lead me to the comics
I never thought id think one more day was a good book. but wow has spiderman lately made me actually WANT that to really happen. JUST TAKE IT ALL BACK RESET IT!
For me the stories have been ok but the overall plot points I hate. This split for Peter and MJ is even more stupid than One More Day and that's saying something. And the decision to kill Ms.Marvel off in a book that isn't her own and center around characters who have had very little interaction with her is just asinine. I know she'll come back to life eventually but this overall run has just been so dumb overall.
I like how Ms. Marvel isn't even gonna die in her own book, not even an Avengers book. A Spider-Man book....hell, if it was Miles' book, I would let it slide.
finally someone said that the editorial is the major problem with spiderman, ive been saying this for the longest time and i always see people only complaining about zeb wells
After 30 years I am no longer collecting Spider-man. I mean I read Green Lantern #54 when it was first issued. I don’t want a reprint.
Maybe we’ll have a Harry Osborn Did It just like in Nick Spencer’s run revealing he was responsible for Sin’s Past
Loved the video BUUUT there is a THIRD PROBLEM that you completely skipped past. Back in issue #22 where Peter comes back to the 616 and returns home to find Aunt May, he realizes that time in that dimension (Which I will dub Dimension W for clarity) that time moves faster that it does in the 616. Peter asks Aunt May, "no, When's the last time we talked?!" to which Aunt may replies Y-yesterday remember? You said you and MJ were going for a walk." Peter then thinks to himself "That's not possible! I was gone for a week, maybe more--"
Full stop. This establishes that Peter spent less maybe 24 hours in that other dimension and a week passed by in the 616. I'm going to be generous here because Peter says "Maybe more" and push that to two weeks. I would think you would notice the difference between one and two weeks regardless of where you were.
Peter than goes through a race against time. One day here... two weeks there. No time to talk or explain himself or anything. Got it. Then in issue #24, it is shown that he has been working with Norman to create a suit and Norman says "Neither of us have slept in days. I haven't checked my work....". Hmmm days you say? Okay. So the Fantastic Four, Captain America, AND SHIELD have been looking for Peter for days. Never mind stalker Ms. Marvel watching them build something in secret and not confronting them or telling anyone else. This is weird considering she had that whole Dark Web thing where she was reminded that Osborn was a bad guy or that she is a super hero fangirl and probably shouldn't even need to be reminded. Now assuming that by Norman saying "Days" he meant two and applying the established "one day in 616, two weeks in Dimension W" rule, MJ has been trapped there a month. However Peter feels there is no time and safety be damned. Got it. Moving on....
Now we're into issue 25. Mary Jane is rescued (yay) and Peter asks her the big question... The one that breaks the entire story... "How long was I gone?" to which Mary Jane replies "Years. Almost four".... TIME OUT! What??? For simplicity, I will round the "Almost four" to just "Four". So you're telling me if we do some reverse calculations... with "Two weeks in Dimension W, one day in 616 time" you were there for FOUR YEARS of Dimension W time, which would be OVER THREE MONTHS 616 time???? That's ridiculous. you're saying that Peter could not find time to talk to ANYONE or explain ANYTHING for THREE MONTHS? The Fantastic Four, Captain America, and SHIELD have been hunting him for THREE MONTHS and couldn't find him even though they know who he is??? And after THREE MONTHS Peter is still panicking and taking dangerous risks by not giving Norman that one or two days to perform safety checks?
This arc was dumb waaaaaay before the issue #26 leak. If One More Day is the worst Spider-Man story ever (and it is by far), this will go down as the DUMBEST Spider-Man story ever. People will be making videos on how bad this run is years from now. 'Nuff said.
Why making this run dumber than one more days is beyond me.
Spider-Man gets done dirty, but this did him dirty dirty. Look how they massacred my boy.
29:12 "The most pointless death ever in Marvel Comics" 😅 that's the best title possible for that video Benny
1. Props for the destiny reference.
2. Sounded like you said "obsorb Spiderman's talcum powder"
3. We need to Slotting back! Original stories!
I'm glad to hear from someone who enjoyed Dan Slott's spider-man as well! I finished up amazing at the end of his run and was recently looking at getting back in, so tentatively working through Nick Spencer's 1st volume.I love the JMS-JRJR run, so was looking forward to seeing JRJR's return to the book, wanted to look ahead to hear how those stories were going. I remember liking the Zeb Well's issues of BND.
For me, my favorite versions of Spider-Man is Ultimate Peter Parker (in comics) and the version of him in The Spectacular Spider-Man T.V series
Spider-Man legit needs a soft-reboot that just undoes OMD and the bulk of the last 15 years of stories.
Well done!
Me:I want to know,What did Spider-Man do?!
Zeb Wells:I miss the part where that's my problem
He could have just asked Reed for assistance. Wouldn’t have had to steal anything, wouldn’t have made enemies of his friends, and would have gotten the resources to build it faster by the smartest person in their world. Knowing Reed he probably had one already built next to his elastic blow job machine.
That cut to Dan's absolute BEWILDERED face was priceless 😂😂😂
I disagree with considering Spider-Man under different writers as different entities. That work fine with movies and games because they are literally separate universes with different characters and stories. However, mainline 616 comic book Spider-Man is the same guy from Amazing Fantasy #15 back in the 1960's. Past characters, stories, and ideas are always being brought back for one reason or another, so Spider-Man can't really be considered separate due to changing creative talent. Different writes have characterized and made him differently, but I believe that writing should be consistent with what has come before. That's why I personally consider this current run a bad one, since it seems very inconsistent with the character.
That's just my opinion. Imma just skip this run and see if the next writer that comes in is better.
Just sucks as Spider-Man fans we have to wait for this run to be over to enjoy Spider-Man stories. What a waste of time.
@@tony484xor we could stop reading this spiderman now?
They’re just killing to change her powers to be like the mcu
What my fanfiction version of this storyline would have been is that Spider-Man was dealing with a mentally unstable super-powered original one-time character and was being his usual self: he was trying to help that person and despite clear red flags refused to contain or take them down, instead trying to engage and talk them down like he usually does. Then the bad guy does a Nitro blows up a school moment and that's your "What did Spider-Man do?". What did Spider-Man do? He was being Spider-Man.
So then you can have your whole business of people having split opinions about if what Spider-Man did is right or wrong, some heroes support and try to reach out to him, some consider him a "limp" and "toothless" superhero. You have interviews on the TV where people say that Spider-Man isn't a shrink so he shouldn't be playing one and should just do what heroes do and knock mentally impaired people out cold. Your Punishers and Wolverines wouldn't shut up about how Spider-Man had to knock that OC out or finish them off the moment he saw things grow out of control.
Because of the overwhelming shift in people's opinions and him being down on his luck again and always blaming himself for what happened (which puts a strain on his relationship with MJ, because she still tries loving and supporting Peter through this tough time), Spidey begins to change according to what the public pressure from some of his close friends and the people of New York want to see from him. He gets down and dirty and starts doing more street level crime, kicks the snot out of Tombstone. Maybe in the beginning he's wavering, still more quips than punches, but after a few close calls he just lets Tombstone have it.
Bit by bit, Spider-Man starts working with Norman, initially out of desperation and need, then because he genuinely begins to relate to the idea of being more Goblin--like and ruthless with his approach. Because his relationship with MJ is in shambles, Spider-Man hooks up with Black Cat and it's fine because he's hardly being Peter Parker anymore. Then, when it seems like Spider-Man couldn't be more "Not My Spider-Man" anymore, you have Norman Osborn go full Green Goblin to "save" Peter and have him kill someone. A villain or an anti-hero that absolutely could've been helped through their problems, maybe have that super-villain apply for an Oscorp job or some social grant or whatever but Norman and Peter are too obsessed with their "crusade" to clean the streets to notice and it gets lost in the shuffle of paperwork and stuck in red tape.
Then you have Spider-Man examine the path that got him here and the people he's ignored and sidelined for the sake of what felt right, what felt like the obvious and easy choice to make - to go full 90s edge and stop holding back. Because Marvel made such a big deal of the whole "60 YEARS OF SPIDER-MAN YOU GUYSE!", how about you do a storyline where you have the very foundation of what it means to be Spider-Man shaken and then have Peter remember it all over again and solidify it for at least a few more storylines and future runs? How about you tell the story that shows what kind of Spider-Man Wells's Spider-Man is by having him steer off to the side and then have to remind himself what he's all about?
That'd have gone great alongside with all the people turning to Spider-Man comics after No Way Home where Peter had a vaguely similar journey, it'd have been a nice exploration of the character's roots and foundations since it's something that sometimes gets lost in the shuffle and needs to be returned to from time to time. It would have also resulted in a return to status quo that Marvel so desperately craves of Peter being down on his luck, broke and jobless, his relationship with MJ strained and Normal Osborn as the Green Goblin for the whichever time that would make it. You'd essentially be doing a "What's wrong with just being good-old Spider-Man" for the 60 years occasion.
Most fortunately of all, we wouldn't have met and have had to deal with f@cking PAUL...
Will you write that fanfiction?
It could be a great read.
But I could see a problem with this storyline. Wouldn't this had been written already? Wouldn't it be repeat now
@@pierreblanchon4722 I wasn't aware someone wrote that story. What is it?
24:51 that's actually My face too 😅
I’m still miffed about what Marvel did to Ben Reilly. Partly because Ben Reilly was the Spider-Man I was first introduced to (yes really), but also because I’m generally not the biggest fan of turning heroes into villains. But everything else going on with the current Spider-Man books did nothing to draw me back in.
I definitely didn't see that coming!
Honestly I think the best spiderman comics to read right now is Miles Morales: Spiderman. He’s going through some amazing character arcs and progression that is close to what Peter went through during his original runs of spider-man while growing as his own individual character. Marvel is doing right by miles more than Peter right now and I’m not complaining. But I do believe they need to write Peter Parker a little better.
Maybe that's the objective? Doing peter parker dirty to make miles better.
I don't wish for it to be true but.... That's marvel.
I remember when Zeb Wells wrote some mini-runs with Spider-Man and he was phenomenal! How he wrote the jokes, how he emphasized Spider-Man’s sense of responsibility…it was just awesome! I used to DREAM of Wells writing a series…now it turned to a nightmare…I never imagined myself REFUSING to read Spider-Man comics…but here we are
I’ve enjoyed this run for the most part, especially the first arc with Tombstone. For me, what’s bogged it down is all the crossovers and event stories that put the main story on hold. Looking at you, Dark Web…
I also had the confused face of "WHAT?!"
my theory is they "killing off" ms.marvel so they can bring her back with the mcu powers. Just like they did with spider man during the sam trilogy.
I actually loved those powers and that run. Peter actually had a job and an upgrade in powers. He wasn’t a loser. Then…One More Day.
God damn Paul... Lol
I've been reading this run and enjoying it. Buuut. That leak made me 10th Doctor "What?!"
Funny thing about the "leaks" is I was spoiled from them in a marvel memes page. Not only did I not realize these were "Earth shattering" leaks, but I didn't even realize they came from a Spider-Man comic until watching this video lol. Really shows what the impact of this "earth shattering" event is going to be for Spider-Man fans.
I don't mind him becoming a billionaire, but I don't like that it happened because of Superior Spiderman. They could've had him just marry MJ. Then she gets pregnant, and Peter wants to support his family. So he starts Parker Industries. That's character progression. That's moving him up because it was Peter's decision. I'd like something more like that.
This story calls for a review by LINKARA.
With a Combine Harvester bit because how stupid the thing is.
Cool hoodie, where'd you get it? Also completely agree! I miss wanting to read spider-man first in my pull list.
27:23 my thoughts exactly 😂
This run is one thing but this particular plot line with Mary Jane is among the top 3 of the Holy Cuckery of Spider-Man books
Enjoyed this video Benny! But real question is where'd you get that hoodie? Its a really cool hoodie!
Hey Comicstorian! Do you think you'll be able to cover what's going on with the Venom comics nowadays and maybe find what flaw or issue its causing it to not be as good as it should be among readers, that is if there's a problem at all, I am just wondering if you would make that video sooner or later
My face was exactly like Dan’s. WHAT?
You know, considering, that they were dealing with the Fantastic Four and Avenger's tech, temporal disparity is a non-issue, just program the transport to send you back to the exact point in time and space where you left. Also, since you're bringing back Ben Riely anyway, why not just hook him up with Black Cat?
Cap did say it would take 24 hours and Peter did explain to Ben and Johnny but, they said they had to wait for Reed and Sue.
Dans face made me think of the meme of what the fuck
I have been keeping tabs on spider man run. It’s getting good run so far.
I love these videos
24:41 Readers: So after 26 comics of Amazing Spider-Man and one whole year, it was all for nothing! AAAAHHHHH!!!!!
(Cue the Wurzels’ Combine Harvester)
Agreed! Editorial is the main problem for Spider-Man, they never no what directon to go in at all
Honestly i would aspire to be more like spiderman because he always trying to the right thing, he feels the need to help because he can do it so he should do it at least thats the vibe i get
TBH Petter could have explain all that is happening to MJ while arriving to the F4 or CA? No time would have been wasted.
EVERYTHING...question answered
18:43 I’m concerned about you Benny.
Yeah boi! 90s Spider-Man is PEAK Spider-Man!