Asking Creality if they can fix VFA on the K1 series and a new K1C??

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  • Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
  • Rough launch and VFA artifacting on the K1 but can they fix it?
    So i asked them and there is a new K1 around the corner?
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  • @Creality3D
    @Creality3D 10 месяцев назад +9

    Thank you for your @Noizie Works interview invitation. As William mentioned, we worked on both the firmware and slicer to address issues with earlier K1 printers. If you're still experiencing any printing issues, feel free to reach out to our after-service team for assistance. We = can provide guidance on fixing the machine, replacing parts, or other solutions that will definitely make you satisfied.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +1

      That's great to hear Creality! There is a firmware that dropped today, will do some testing and make a update on it.

    • @dejedejsson
      @dejedejsson 10 месяцев назад +2

      So a new motion system for everyone who bought and will buy a K1 now for Christmas, how are you going to solve it!

    • @Enchanted3DPrints
      @Enchanted3DPrints 9 месяцев назад

      Does K1C perhaps stand for color? I love creality but need a multicolor filament option

  • @TDpeoples
    @TDpeoples 10 месяцев назад +9

    I Love my K1 Max printer, was planning for the bambu lab, but desided for the k1 max becouse of the 300x300x300mm bed size and it was the right pick, after som 100 of hours printing its still working 100% out of the box

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +1

      For the price and performance it's a nice workhorse for sure! The max didn't have the early speedy problems that you hear about.

  • @oldman1944
    @oldman1944 8 месяцев назад +1

    The V3 KE has the same VFA problem below 180mm/s. 99% sure it's the stepper motors. I'm going to try some different motors to see if it goes away. I don't think they can fix this with firmware/slicer aside from avoiding the worst of the speeds.

  • @cameltoast
    @cameltoast 10 месяцев назад +6

    Wish I would have seen this video before I ordered mine! I print mostly function parts, so things with long, straight walls. The VFA is AWFUL on this printer, if i sold parts I couldn't ship these. I've been researching if there is a way to tune it out and there doesnt appear to be unless you rebuild the gantry system. I also think Creality knew this and shipped them anyway because the input shapers are mirrored on the X and Y axes. Almost want to send it back but I may keep it.

  • @RaulTrevino70
    @RaulTrevino70 10 месяцев назад +17

    Whole lot of nothing...

    • @hauntycz5191
      @hauntycz5191 10 месяцев назад +1

      What ? He said enough in my opinion

  • @kylequinn1963
    @kylequinn1963 5 месяцев назад +1

    My god, I am so tired of Creality. I'm going to sell this K1 Max and buy whatever the next big bambu machine is, so tired of them releasing broken hardware and then "fixing it" by releasing a new one and saying screw existing customers. The ringing/VFA on my K1 Max is so unbearable I can't even use it for customers parts, they're just unbelievably bad.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  5 месяцев назад

      Sadly can't say that you're wrong...

  • @Teleon19
    @Teleon19 10 месяцев назад +5

    If they dont give us a Upgrade Kit for the k1/max i will leave creality forever.
    I mean a 1000€ printer (k1max) with such issues....!

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +2

      My feeling is they won't as it works good at high speed

    • @InnokentyPro
      @InnokentyPro 3 месяца назад

      @@NoizieWorks My K1 have VFA at any Speed

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  3 месяца назад

      @InnokentyPro check belt tension and maybe loosen it a bit other then that you are sh*t out of luck and better off returning it

    • @Teleon19
      @Teleon19 3 месяца назад

      Switched over to Bambu , x1c - best desission ever.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  3 месяца назад

      @Teleon19 unfortunately for creality it's a very logical solution altough i find Qidi to be a very compelling choice to

  • @NaughtyGoatFarm
    @NaughtyGoatFarm 7 месяцев назад

    My k1 max has terrible ringing.

  • @mircobestia
    @mircobestia 9 месяцев назад +1

    K1C...X1C...carbon/camera/hepa filter...do you see any similarities?😅

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  9 месяцев назад

      Well... if you put it like that i mean...😆

  • @michaellautzenheiser9543
    @michaellautzenheiser9543 3 месяца назад

    Haha he truly answered nothing

  • @gman9543
    @gman9543 10 месяцев назад +2

    K1C?!? Hope this isn't going to be another Ender with like a dozen different variants.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      As long as there are significant updates on it i'm ok with it but knowing crealitys history 🤷‍♂️

    • @mikatakalo8376
      @mikatakalo8376 9 месяцев назад

      …I’m almost 101% sure that K1 cannot be upgraded to K1C. Need to buy completely new printer if want to upgrade.

  • @airheadbit1984
    @airheadbit1984 Месяц назад

    I watched as others replaced belts, idlers, motors, rods, bushings, and finally replaced XY with linear rails. No one step magic fix but the mechanical issues along with a controller that chokes on Cartigrapher made mine a pet rock.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  Месяц назад

      @@airheadbit1984 definitely NOT software

  • @ricktm79
    @ricktm79 14 дней назад

    They never did fix the VFA issue on the k1 as promised.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  14 дней назад

      @@ricktm79 unfortunately not...

  • @tek9058
    @tek9058 10 месяцев назад +1

    On low speeds it has massive VFA and on high speeds which are VFA free you have massive ringing. 20-30% vibration in input shaper on X, it's really bad. y is fine belts are not square, motors need upgrade too much vibration. they need a upgrade kit and a fixed version. currently my bedslinger with linear rails has much better quality but slower...

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      Yeah, we will see what there k1c brings for upgrades. This is the new ender of the core xy 🙈

  • @danielwlyles
    @danielwlyles 6 месяцев назад

    if you print anything round on my k1 max 100-300 mm/s the vfa's are noticable enough it's sickening. my x1c on the other hand prints at the same speeds with none. Odd don't you think pictures of what everyone is complaining about looks exactly like what i'm experiencing. Basically k1max paper weight as the prints look like poo

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  6 месяцев назад

      Apparently the k1c fixed most issues so the max users are out of luck right now

  • @Lunaticsystem
    @Lunaticsystem 10 месяцев назад +1

    Somehow marketing didn't think anything of it, right?
    The 3D printer with Bayern Munich stickers / matching colors...in Frankfurt! They could have used Frankfurt as an example instead of a club that is not welcome there. Hard times for Creality I guess 😁

  • @NoizieWorks
    @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +3

    Is it just a software issue or do we have a hardware problem? What is your opinion?

    • @Mithrandir69
      @Mithrandir69 10 месяцев назад +5

      He said they have upgraded the motion system on the K1C. It seems like they've discovered a hardware issue on existing models. I have wondered whether the teeth on the belts are causing some issue as they roll over the smooth pulleys by slightly displacing the tool head.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +2

      @@Mithrandir69 yup, we will probably see some difference between the 2 models. Guess we will have to wait and see.

    • @Mithrandir69
      @Mithrandir69 10 месяцев назад

      @NoizieWorks I took another chance on Creality with the K1 Max. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to fix this machine to get a decent print out of it.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +2

      @@Mithrandir69 the extruder and hotend on these are the "good" type. Motion system is the same so i think the experience will be the same as the speedy. To be honest, i only do fast prints and if you push it a bit there is absolutly no problem with print quality.
      It's more on slow prints 50-150mm/s that give some artifacting so right now my advice is to do a speed test and look when vfa starts to get bad and avoid these speeds.

    • @Mithrandir69
      @Mithrandir69 10 месяцев назад

      @NoizieWorks fast prints are good for me as well, when it works. Having a hell of a time getting a good mesh with Klipper. But I also want it to print petg and tpu reliably, and you just can't print those materials quickly.

  • @cgwworldministries83
    @cgwworldministries83 8 месяцев назад

    I wish to God creality would simply slow down and stop cutting so many corners.

  • @zaphodbeeblerock
    @zaphodbeeblerock 8 месяцев назад

    *What about Klipper and the GPLv3 license issue?*

  • @dosdont
    @dosdont 9 месяцев назад

    Hopefully they fix the warped bed issues on the K1C. The last thing I want to do is mod design flaws.

  • @josepadilla
    @josepadilla 10 месяцев назад

    So it happens at 100ms speeds but not 200+ speeds?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +1

      In my case everything under 200 has artifacting, everything above looks great

  • @RaminOhebshalom
    @RaminOhebshalom 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you

  • @skelethornbro
    @skelethornbro 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'm between K1 max and X1C now, i wish Creality aftersale services is just like Bambu Lab. I guess i'm gonna wait for K1C and reads what the user feedback. 😅

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +2

      So you don't trust them? 😅 yeah i would wait a bit to

    • @simplesimon4561
      @simplesimon4561 10 месяцев назад

      I have a K1, an Ender 5 S1 with a Sonic Pad and a Saturn 3 Ultra, if I had to do it over again I would go with Bamboo and just bite the bullet on the price with an AMS.

    • @skelethornbro
      @skelethornbro 10 месяцев назад

      @@simplesimon4561 yes i would go Bambu too. But the K1 Max bed size is holding me. I need the bed size, but with all the goodies of Bambu. 🤤

    • @simplesimon4561
      @simplesimon4561 10 месяцев назад

      @@skelethornbro What about the Ender 5 Plus, you ever check that one out? Huge build area way bigger than the K1 Max. Obviously it's not an apple to apples comparison but you could probably get 2 of them for the same price as the K1 Max. Just a thought

    • @skelethornbro
      @skelethornbro 10 месяцев назад

      @@simplesimon4561 of course if i only consider bed size but that will be downgraded most of the feature of K1 Max or X1C imo. I just learned that X1C (maybe other bambu printers too) also can skip objects while printing and that is the +1 feature that is useful for me if some print is failing. I need to dig more of those two models...

  • @BrasilBrasil-s2e
    @BrasilBrasil-s2e 10 месяцев назад +3

    But in short, creality assumed that its machine has chronic problems and instead of fixing it out of respect for everyone who bought it, it will launch a new "corrected" version, I don't know about you but it's already worked out for me, I'll never buy it again.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      First let's see what the difference is cause i'm not even sure they are going to fix it with the k1c.

    • @eaman11
      @eaman11 10 месяцев назад +1

      You say it like they were good at releasing new products... They will release a new version with a few correction and 10 new problems.

  • @robc3863
    @robc3863 10 месяцев назад +1

    At the speed this thing prints, combined with all the different materials, varied environmental conditions, getting the print surface to be absolutely Vertical Fine Artefact (VFA) free must be a nightmare! Do any of the competing printers have VFA completely eliminated?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +3

      No, bambu and prusa also have some vfa but it's real bad on the k1 at 100mm/s like allmost unusable prints that need a lot of sanding.

    • @robc3863
      @robc3863 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks and how is it at the usual 200/250mm/s?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      @@robc3863 a lot better but on flat surfaces you can still see it.

    • @robc3863
      @robc3863 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks So why do they ship a defective product, I don't believe they didn't notice? I guess for the price this sells at no western company would churn these out, so we pay for what we get! Maybe strapping the machine down to a concrete block would help haha, are they going to be able to improve this I wonder!

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +2

      @@robc3863 they will by selling another one like the k1c and let you pay for the "upgrades" imo it's probably a combination of cheap motors and motion system so basicly everything needs work 🤷‍♂️ the fact they sell the max with only 1 connecting rod for the y movement is already a sign of cost cutting. Belts running over smooth idlers is another one cause belts are not meant to run on smooth stuff at the teeth side. That said, 350$ for a core xy that works fairly good at high speeds is still a steal imo

  • @simplesimon4561
    @simplesimon4561 10 месяцев назад

    I agree a big nothing burger also I'm not a fan of how they talked about all the ways this wouldn't be a problem on the new printer they are launching in December but had almost nothing to say for their existing K1 and K1 Max owners

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      Looking at the big price drops it's also not doing that well by the looks of it... I would be surprised if the k1c would be any better tbh

    • @simplesimon4561
      @simplesimon4561 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks Yeah I've actually spent more on my Ender 5 S1 which I bought back in July than the K1 I got a month ago. I can get a K1 for $350 and a K1 Max for $650 at Microcenter in the US right now and those seem like great prices compared to the Ender 5 S1 which after all the accessories probably cost me close to $700+, but now with Bamboo releasing the P1S for $699 the K1 Max is a harder sell

  • @STCRAZIE
    @STCRAZIE 10 месяцев назад

    Goed geprobeert yves xD

  • @mrfoameruk
    @mrfoameruk 10 месяцев назад

    my k1 max is in the post so when I heard about the K1C I though OMG they have one with colour now.....Nooooo....But then I found out its a camera......Seems to be going in the way of the ender 3....Minimal additions and call it the new and improved and you can purchase the camera for £30 anyway so hardly warrants a new version.
    Hoping Bambu labs have a good sale soon and depending on the price I might get a colour printer.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      As long as creality prices the K series right it can be a good deal and the community will probably fix the printer for them like with the enders.

    • @riskinhos
      @riskinhos 9 месяцев назад

      good luck on the closed source bambu and improving it and modding it. oh wait. you can't.

    • @mrfoameruk
      @mrfoameruk 9 месяцев назад

      @@riskinhos They are both fine. The k1max beats it in the bed adhesion but has suffered from constant extruder jams, meaning disassembly and fixing (and printing extras like the top riser). The P1S had an initial AMS feeding problem but nothing since. They have also just teamed up with E3D to produce some upgrades but for me, I don't really need any upgrades at the moment as the machine works fine. Yet Creality have no upgrade on the constant sh***y extruder and we are on version 3 or 5 at the moment.

    • @mrfoameruk
      @mrfoameruk 9 месяцев назад

      @@riskinhos What sort or mods are you talking about?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  9 месяцев назад

      @mrfoameruk that's unlucky! The latest version seems to be working fine for most.

  • @zaphodbeeblerock
    @zaphodbeeblerock 8 месяцев назад

    *K1 = Klone 1* isn´t it???

  • @whizzardno1
    @whizzardno1 10 месяцев назад

    K1C C=corrected?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      he said C for carbon or camera so basicly the K1 max without lidar

    • @whizzardno1
      @whizzardno1 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks yeah I heard, was just kidding due to the initial issues. Why does the addition of the AI camera eliminate Lidar?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      @@whizzardno1 ah ok 😅 as far as i know the Ai camera only is used to see if a print fails(spaghetti) the lidar "should" calibrate the flow but from what i hear it doesn't work that well.

  • @爱国猪
    @爱国猪 10 месяцев назад +1

    Never recommand such a brand, which never thought about innovating, only copy and assemble garbage printers.

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +1

      And yet, they are very popular

    • @爱国猪
      @爱国猪 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks popular doesn't mean good right?

  • @dobyrne8565
    @dobyrne8565 10 месяцев назад

    Ah man and I just bought a k1 max and hadn’t heard anything about this prior!!! 😡

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад +2

      Not a lot of "real" reviews on it but the trick is speed!

    • @dobyrne8565
      @dobyrne8565 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks I’m guessing tpu will not work well. What other filaments will be problematic?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      @@dobyrne8565 all filaments run great it's just the low speed vibration being a problem

    • @dobyrne8565
      @dobyrne8565 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks in the video they say that can improve with firmware updates is there any other updates/upgrades that are out there? I’m brand new to 3d printing and this will be my first printer!! Thanks

    • @GSJester
      @GSJester 10 месяцев назад

      LOL -- just placed an order for a K1 Max last night......ah well.

  • @madogro
    @madogro 10 месяцев назад

    I ordered my Printer on the 27 nov. Today is 1 december. They didn‘t ship it away. Very poor customer service!!!

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      Seems to be hit or miss as i hear a lot of good to... To bad for you buddy! Have you tried facebook?

  • @luisecoturista6703
    @luisecoturista6703 10 месяцев назад

    "Are you going to send me one?". 🤮🤧🤬

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      Dude it's a joke they are obviously NOT going to do that in fact they never answered any of my reach outs before and after i had the interview. Just wanted to see the look on his face.

  • @reasonablebeing5392
    @reasonablebeing5392 10 месяцев назад

    I heard K1C = adding K1 Max features to K1. Anything else?

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      He mentioned that the motion system has a few changes like the extruder so basicly a smaller k1 max with some updates? Let's hope it fixes things and they are easy to swap over to the first batches

    • @Nandox7
      @Nandox7 9 месяцев назад

      He said what are the differences.

  • @Teleon19
    @Teleon19 10 месяцев назад

    Whats with a AMS system ?🥲

    • @NoizieWorks
      @NoizieWorks  10 месяцев назад

      Bambu has 1

    • @Teleon19
      @Teleon19 10 месяцев назад

      @@NoizieWorks i mean for the k1/max 🫠

    • @andreas.grundler
      @andreas.grundler 10 месяцев назад

      Nothing is known about this yet, but I have heard that the Co Print ChromaSet is compatible with the K1 and the K1 Max.