Webisode #6: How-to Apply Wood Veneer to MDF using Contact Cement
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2013
- www.oakwoodveneer.com - In this episode, Jay teaches you how to apply wood veneer to an MDF substrate using contact cement. Using the correct tools and application method is very important. Remember, in woodworking there are no shortcuts.
Topics:
- Three backers to use with contact cement in the field
- Using gel-type contact cement - liquid versus gel
- Applying to both veneer and substrate
- Using a mohair roller
- Obtaining an adequate glue line with 100% coverage
- Allowing tack time for drying and assess dryness
- Using wooden dowels or wax paper for separation
- NOT using a j-roller, INSTEAD using a carpet tucker, veneer hammer or scraper
- Applying one end to the other, with the grain, bear down with pressure
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Excellent tutorial, clearly delivered. Thanks for the upload.
Great video, very helpful. Just what I needed to know with a very clear demonstration. Thank you for taking the time to share!
If you have to use contact cement on wood backed veneer because you don't have a press, take contact cement, thin it with lacquer thinner and use it to prime/seal the wood backed veneer and let it dry completely before applying the adhesive coat. This will keep you from having a glue starved surface. Raw wood soaks up contact cement otherwise.
otherwise apply 2 coats.
magnificent! thank you so much for this tutorial!
This is immensly helpful, thank you, i would have screwed up royally on severy things had i not seen this!
Great to see a company reply to comments!
We try to get to respond to all comments we receive in a timely fashion. Thanks for the feedback!
very good instructions! I'm working on a set of nightstands and this is a new skill for me. My first attempt was lumpy and bubbly so I'm trying again following your method. wish me luck lol!
Thanks for letting us know Cloe. Hoping things go better the second time around for you.
Great video Thanks
Very helpful! Thanks.
It is our pleasure Jeff, we hope this video helped.
Great, I didn't know it was available in a gel form.
Nice , Thank you
My thermofoil/vynil film is detaching completely from the MDF wardrobe doors. It is still in tact (ie undamaged carbon copy of the door surface) so I would like to glue it back. What glue is best?
Use the nap on your arms to apply the adhesive 😆😆😆 just kidding. Nice work!!!
I wan to cover a surface that currently has a white laminate on it. Is it possible to glue it directly to the current surface? I am worried about proper adhesion.
thank you
Best practice is place the veneer on the substrate and glue the veneer first. This saves getting the roller picking up any particulate on the bench as it’s raised on the substrate. Also, your not having to have a an additional flat surface to glue the veneer, the glued veneer can then be placed almost anywhere even on top of clutter while waiting for the set Just a good tip for the beginner.
Hi thank you for all your excellent videos & taking your time to make us the videos.
i have a question please. So I have made a lean to shed using thin mdf board panel as my walls. What I did was I use the nailer gun and stapled the board onto the 2x4s all around. It’s been over 2 years now and it’s starting to come off like the stamped nails are coming off the 2x4 and there are gaps between the vertical boards that are attached side by side. My problem is that I can’t get myself to the back of the boards to staple or mail it onto the 2x4s.
So I will have to go inside the shed and try to somehow pull the boards inward and use long nails to attach from the inside instead.
Now my question is…if I was to use cement all fast setting concrete and put at between the gaps on side by side boards will it bond and hold up? I was thinking about also making the fabric concrete and stapling it onto the boards and 2x4s hoping it will bond. Will it be ok?
Any advice is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Thanks for reaching out. The question you're asking doesn't seem to be related to a wood veneer installation. We would be happy to help you out but probably need more information to give the best advice. Feel free to call us at 800.426.6018.
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+Oakwood Veneer Great Video. I have a project in mind for my home. The steel I-Beams run along the ceiling and are boxed in with drywall. Looks very plain.I was thinking of putting wood veneer over the boxed drywall. Since the beams run the length and width of the room (about 12ft by 20ft), what type of veneer would be long enough and look good enough to place over? Any tips for handling a project this large with veneer?
+Bobby59 Hi Bobby, Unfortunately, you cannot place veneer onto drywall.
Would you do anything different in applying a single 46 inch X 8 foot sheet of veneer? Thanks
Hi Bart,
The process is still the same. We sell 4x8's. Jay only used a small piece to demonstrate.
Thank you.
Hi! Thanks for the upload. What carpet tucking tool do you use? I'm going to get one, but don't want to get something that will break or not work correctly. Is the one you use plastic? Thanks again.
It can be found from any of the big box stores. Any solid piece will work.
Great video!! In your opinion What would be the best glue for veneer?
A vacuum bag is always the best.
very nice thank you. how do you clean off the cement from the roller?
lacquer thinner or a contact cement solvent. If it is hardened on the roller, a new roller is suggested.
Nice video. Who makes the roller cover that you use?
Tom Daniels Hi Tom, Most of the big box stores carry them. It is a 1/8" Mohair roller cover.
Hi there,
I would like to put new wood veneer on top of older wood veneer on a piece of furniture. the old veneer is in pretty good shape- no bubbles, cracks, chunks missing etc (just ugly :/). what kind of backing do I need on the new veneer, what kind of prep should I do to the old veneer (want to stay away from removing), and should I do both sides (back and front) of the cabinet doors if both sides were originally veneered? thank you!
+Kristen Massey Keep in mind that the end result will still only be as good as the original veneer. What I mean by this is that it's the same thing as painting over old paint. The new paint will only stick as well as the old paint is sticking to it's original surface. So, the end result of the new veneer will only stick as well as the old veneer is applied to the original piece. Make sure the old veneer is PERFECTLY and STRONGLY adhered to the original surface before applying the new veneer.
- On a separate note, my personal experience with doing this exact process that you wish to do has never produced anything better than "mediocre" results in the end. I wish you better results than I have ever been able to achieve.
Thanks for a most instructive video. My challenge is to apply 3" oak veneer to 'L' shaped aluminum valance (that hides horizontal roll blinds). I have option of gluing directly on to the existing woven fibreglass substrate (identical to blind) covering the valance or stripping the substrate and gluing to the aluminum surface. Your recommendations would be greatly appreciated.
Hey Larry! Thanks for reaching out. We would be happy to help with your application question but think this might be best suited for a call. Give us a call at 248-720-0288 and our technical team can help you with great application advice.
From what i know, they use big presses.. A good friend of mine use a vacuum bag.
it looks like the scraper tool you used left marks on the veneer. do you sand it again afterwards?
John M It compresses the grain some. It can be lightly sanded afterwards.
Thank you so much for taking the time to upload this video. I’ve done lots of wood working before, but this is my first time trying to repair veneer. I have an old hope chest that has veneer that has peeled. I was going to just remove it all, but it is still so pretty in parts, that I’m going to try to replace it. Any suggestions when matching veneered sections up with other sections? For example half missing on a panel, but the other half is still in tact. Also, if that doesn’t work, do you use acetone to remove the existing veneer or something else? Thanks again!
Hi, I am brand new to applying veneer to wood.
I am building a rectangular box 12" x 12" x 5" (for a speaker project). I am using MDF as my base wood. The veneer I found is 8" wide. I would need to add an extra 4" strip to each panel to make it the proper width. How can I add the extra strip to it without worrying about the glue squeezing out through the seem? Or to not worry about it squeezing out would it be okay to put solvent on the wood to clean off the extra? Do I need to worry about the grain not matching (I am using walnut)?
Thanks!
When you are splicing, you need to a veneer tape. Once everything is glued down than you can remove the tape.
I will be applying veneer on my small 5 liter speaker boxes. Each have the speaker cutouts and a 50mm diameter port holes. If I stick a sheet of veneer over these, will I be able to cut from inside the circle, go outward and trim along the holes? I intend to use box cutters.
Hi Gino,
Yes you will be able to.
Great. Thanks.
This is extremely helpful as cold press is my best option. Can you tell me what the name of the carpeting tool is? I have seen it done with a board and rolled edge, but this seems much better. Thanks!
It is a plastic carpet tucking tool. I am not sure of the brand, but it does work well.
I actually used a piece of 4/4 maple I had since it has a very tight grain, did an 1/8" roundover, smoothed it out and it worked like a charm, but I can see how the other would be handy. I also used a liquid contact cement since I had already purchased it and I can see how the gel would be more desirable, got good results though just with the experience I've had using other methods and following your instructions. By far, the best results yet. Thank you again.
Which brands of gel-type contact cement would you recommend? I cannot see the logo on the can.
Hello @eunicejeong weldwood is a good option for gel-based contact cement.
I'm applying a veneer to a plywood that is bent around the curve of a bottom stair. I'm assuming it will be best to apply the veneer in place rather than trying to apply it to the plywood and then bend the plywood/veneer combination? Also, if I'm applying it in place, contact cement would be my best adhesive?
Contact Cement would be the best method and also make sure to use a 22 mil backed veneer.
Is it possible to glue veneer on top on stained( or lacquered) mdf with contact cement? or the coat has to be removed
For the best result you will want to remove the lacquered coat before gluing the veneer to the MDF.
I am going to apply 1/8" by 1" alder strips (homemade veneer?) to a primed sheetrocked wall. What kind of adhesive should I use? I know it's not exactly veneer onto a substraight, but figure someone here will have an answer for me.
Hi Leslie,
We do NOT recommend going over sheetrock with veneer.
Great video, thank you! Can wood veneer be used on a mirror? How could it be applied? Kindly :)
veganbliss Yes it actually can. You need to make sure the surface is absolutely clean. The PSA backed veneer is perfect for this application.
Oakwood Veneer
Thank you! That's awesome
can you add veneer over a laminate piece? if so, what type of veneer and adhesive would be best?
Yes you can. If working without a press you will want to go with our 22 mill bubble free veneer and a regular solvent based contact cement. If you want to avoid working with contact cement entirely our PSA veneer is also a great option.
How do I keep Track of the Screw Holes ? I need them to put My Turntable back together ? Thanks for The reply
Hey VIctor, a small pencil marking should help keep track and can also be erased before finishing if needed.
Shows you that you don't need a vacuum bag to veneer. People think you need fancy special tools for woodworking when it's not the case.
I get your point that the J-roller can't focus as many pounds per square inch, but why do you feel it's adequate for plastic laminate but not wood?
And the J-roller may be 1" but it is point loaded. Same pressure as that tool he used.
First time veneering and good thing I'm doing tests because when I rolled on the Lepages Gel contact cement onto a paper backed piece of veneer the cement clumped up, it didn't roll on smooth like yours. I'm using a 3/16 mohair roller. Might I have over rolled it and/or not used enough cement? Thanks, John
Hey John, sounds like your contact cement might be compromised I would contact the company directly to see if they have any specific workarounds.
@@OakwoodVeneer LePages said "Based on your description, the product may be beyond its usable shelf life. Please locate the lot code on the product and use the information below to determine the date of manufacture." Thanks for your assistance! cheers, John
Thanks for sharing this update!@@johnbirch6795
What do you do if your veneer has ripples in it, meaning before you prepare it for contact cement???
With raw veneer some rippling is normal and you may have to complete a flattening process. If the veneer has a paper backing on it you may have to re-roll the veneer and put it in a temperature/humidity controlled space for a couple of days before proceeding with the project.
How do you remove any contact cement you may have gotten on top of the veneer?
You can use acetone to remove any contact cement you have gotten on the top of your veneer.
what problems come with using the j roller?
The J Roller does not provide enough pressure. It is fine for laminate, but not veneer.
Can you use red spray contact adhesive with phenolic veneer just as you would with laminate?
We would not recommend using any type of aerosol adhesive with wood veneer.
@@OakwoodVeneer How do you recommend to adhere the phenolic backed veneer? With knife applied contact?
@@stevenrwh We would recommend using a contact cement (solvent based) and roller method.
Yeah this is quite a clever way to do it, additionally if you look at Woody Hyezmar’s woodworking methods (google him) you’ll find creative alternatives and ideas.
What brand/formulation of gel are you using in this video? TIA. Mark
Hey Mark, It seems like the brand was blocked in the video but this could have been the weldwood gel contact cement.
I keep seeing conflicting opinions about using contact cement on raw wood veneer. Any suggestions? Thanks.
chicken taco awareness saga We strongly do not advise doing contact cement with raw wood veneer. We don't like it with 10 mil backed either. It should be used with a 22 mil, phenolic, or wood backers.
Oakwood Veneer thanks for the reply. What could you suggest for raw wood? I bought some really nice quilted maple on ebay and I don't want to wreck it
I would use a PVA glue and a press.
Oakwood Veneer will do. Thanks for the advice.
What was the brand of contact cement you used?
Weldwood is the brand that was used in this video. Any gel contact cement that is meant for veneer could be used if you're not able to locate that specific brand.
what type and knap of roller?
I need to attach to bondo. I guess a solvent cement will bind?
Also i need my veneer to make a "waterfall bend of a rolling 90%.
This is a antique radio in doing. I used the bondo to shape the 90% curve that was damaged.
Any suggestions are most welcome,
Thanks
cliff
1/8" Knapp mohare roller. Any solvent based contact cement will do.
can apply wood veneer on fiber cement board? how?
Hi Ana, Our veneer cannot be applied to cement board. It must be applied to an mdf surface first.
Do you still need a BALANCE veneer/sheet on the opposite side when using MDF (or particle board)? I now they never do w/ formica countertops made of particle board.
You should always balance the panel
Help! Not sure what to do now...removed old, splitting veneer from door in cabin. Sanded the wood that was left underneath. Applied maple veneer using contact cement. Smoothed out using plastic putty knives. Now that it has dried, there are several bubbles that I can't get rid of. I tried ironing to reactivate glue and used the putting knife again but it bubbles back up again. Any suggestions as to what to do now? Is it possible that there is some chemical residue on the old door that won't allow the contact cement to adhere? Thank you.
Hi all novice here, I’m looking for advice. Can you apply a wood veneer to laminate countertops? The laminate is in good condition.
I have been trying to find an answer online but haven’t found anything yet and I’m hoping this comment section might have some advice for me. We can’t afford a full kitchen remodel right now (who can?), but we’re are saving hard for it; I figured a stick on wood laminate could be a good option in the meantime while we save. I understand that you can not cut on it, that’s not a problem (we had butcher block in the past and chose not to cut on it also). I think if we can apply wood laminate to the countertops, paint the cabinets, and add a peel and stick backsplash, I’ll stop complaining, love my 1994 kitchen and we can quietly save for two years. We did considered replacing the countertops with butcher block (it’s what I want anyway), but like everything the butcher block isn’t the cheapest option, and I’d rather not waste the wood, time and money when it will to be changed in the remodel in a year or two. It’s a waste of materials and cost I’d rather avoid.
Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
Hello Jody, Thanks for reaching out. It will really depend on the substrate you're working with and how you prep it. From your comment it sounds like you're looking to cover your counters with laminate which is different from wood veneer and something we don't offer. If you want to talk with someone from our team to better understand your project and what you're trying to do, give us a call at 248-720-0288.
What if I don’t have hair on my arms? Lol
Can i just use liquid nails
No, you should not use liquid nails. When adhering laminating material as thin as veneer you need to use either contact cement or an adhesive that is specifically formulated to work with wood veneer.
That looks like a mortar chisel
Phone's ringing Dude.
Then what. Rub it back and paint.
Will really depend on the specifics of your project and application.