I was a Punk in Appalachia in the Seventies and early Eighties. I was misunderstood to put it mildly.But that was the most joyous part of my life and I thank you for this.
@@mei6044 It was very rare and when you could find a punk album or cassette at the local record shop. They put it in a black bag the same way they did porn tapes. I started listening to punk rock when I was 10 years old 1985 and I am from Tennessee in the Appalachian Mountain region.
@@mei6044 Yep, I’m from southern West Virginia smack dab in the middle of the Appalachian mountains. We had several punk bands in my area growing up and lots of metal bands. We all loved hard heavy music. From Dead Kennedys and NOFX to Black Sabbath and Metallica, on and on man. Kids are the same everywhere you go.
There ought to be more about Television. I know TV footage or films from live gigs are scarce, but one must stress that it was actually Hell and Verlaine who discovered CBGB's by just walking by, stepping inside and ask Cristal if they could play there. And Television was the most interesting and talented band of the bunch. Marquee moon is seminal.
And Richard Hell, who was in Television at that point. started the whole "punk look" with his short choppy haircut and ripped clothes held together w/ safety pins and all that shit that was co-opted into the whole brand of modern punk rock.
Patti Smith, John Lydon & Bob Marley absolutely shine thru. When artists channel their energy, they change the world forever. The work of all three of these giant talents certainly changed my life & got me thru some hard times. Each of them in their own way helped me make sense of the world.
@@rolandrothwell4840 Most modern punk bands sound like NOFX or Green Day. By their own admission, these groups took much of their sneering brand of punk rock from the Sex Pistols. There is not much 1960s-style crooning a la Joey Ramone in NOFX's song catalogue (though, admittedly, there is a bit of that in Green Day's more recent records). NOFX and Green Day were also inspired by US hardcore punk bands of the late 1970s/early 1980s like Minor Threat, Bad Brains and Circle Jerks, all of whom were mainly influenced by the Sex Pistols, The Clash and other first wave UK punk rock bands.
I would have picked the Stooges as the initial blokes that lit the fuse. Jonathon was and remains more of a cult artist that was only discovered by digging deep. Still, a great little doco with much to say in a very compacted time frame.
Damn right! I remember when this series first aired in the 1990s and I was really angry (and still am) at the selective way it talked about the history of popular music. I've always regarded the Stooges and the MC5 as the beginning of punk. 'Roadrunner' isn't a bad song, but compared to 'Search And Destroy' or 'Kick Out The Jams', it's pretty lightweight.
It was The Stooges and The New York Dolls and The Ramones; don't fully believe this documentary, or, incorporate this documentary with your existing wealth of knowledge.
What a blast from the past this was. I remember watching this on tv in England with my parents in my mid-teens. Mid-90s or so I believe. Thanks for the upload.
Im glad someone in the comments beat me to the punch. THE DAMNED. The best 4 chord rock and roll I've ever heard. Albums that you don't have to skip tracks. Should be recognized as the best in their class. Life isn't fair.
The calmest, least crotchety interview that John Lydon ever gave. And the only time we ever got to see his LA mansion. (Maybe there's a reason for that, as it's a rather obvious huge disconnect with his stated eternal link to and preference for the working class of Finsbury Park...) Steve Jones seems healthy and happy, quite unlike the Steve of today, who seems heartbreakingly sad and lonely. But he was probably still masking it with substances back then.
In the mid '90s, the BBC started making really good music docs. This series and the Beatles Anthology series were huge for my generation of musicians and music nerds.
i was 9 when i heard the clash (best band) fell completely in love, this was in the early 2000 now im listening , they were a gateway to so much wonderful and amazing bands
Jonathan R readily admits his influence by the Stooges and The Velvets -he was the softening of punk into New Wave(dance) with Blondie, Talking Heads and Television, while The Dolls ,Ramones et.al. continued towards Pistols ,Clash, Dictators, etc. love the branching into Buzzcocks ,(Wire ,Gang of Four, Pylon,)
The Modern Lovers Album was recorded in 1973 - he wasn’t “the softening of punk to new wave “ shut the F up you don’t even know what you’re talking about.
Such a great episode of a great documentary. Sadly it’ll never get a re-release as apparently there’s too many issues with clearance to get it to digital or dvd. Jonathan Richman truly is a modern wonder.
Great doc! And I think hits on the elements where the masses started to take notice. I was shocked by Richman starting off too - but have to admit he brought it to the forefront for many that were into farming, cattle, and grease. And right after Nixon and Viet Nam et al, 'Everything Gonna Be Alright' was the right song at the right time. Yet reggae really is about oppression and misery people are trying to escape from. So is amazing how so many wanted this 'overnight cure' with Carter and disco and bicentennials and jubilee's. Yet many were getting savvy that it was never going to really be over.
Who actually owns all that black and white Super-8 footage from CBGB's that you always see in these documentaries? Why don't they just release it all on DVD?
Hilly used to offer cassette tapes of every band (10$) The recordings were direct from board and came out in good enough quality to use as a demo Wonder what happened to all those tapes? Right before cbgbs Closed The Raddicts were doing something on st marks , i think they might have access to some stuff Hilly left when he left earth There was also a cat named Clayton that filmed everything in east village An a cat named JohnnyMetal used to sell these videos on the street STONE FILMS NYC has tons of footage 80s 90s Happy hunting!
Also watching a Pistols doc with a lot o' Lydon. Same thing. Hell: "They were stacked up in CBGB so thirsty they were for reality" Lydon, questioned about Pistols lyrics: "Telling the truth is a very, very good way to live". Thanks to you both, Mr. Meyers and Mr. Lydon.
Like other musical revolutions, Punk began in America (perhaps not so much with the Modern Lovers) and was sold back to the USA by the British. Key points are missed in this doco which makes for an often confusing and disjointed timeline.
@@petrovic178 this is probably a transfer from video tape so whomever recorded the show from tv had a shitty ungrounded plug...and it ended up in the recording..UGH..
Jonathan Richmond and the Modern Lovers inspired many....Including the Rubinoos. He played in Chico last night. Still amazing. Still inspiring bands to this day.
Roadrunner by Modern Lovers is about my neighborhood! Stop n Shop was the first store on the eastcoast to be open 24hrs, it was like a revelation, love in the modern world. Also gave us Gerry Harrison and Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads
Uh...Ramones were all in their 20s when they started playing their instruments AND started the band. Dee Dee and Joey were the youngest at 23 and 22. That's not teenaged.
I found this upload randomly, and I'm really intrigued. This has to be the most in-depth documentary on Punk rock ever made if it's episode 8 (7 hours in?) and they are just now getting to the NY scene in the mid-70s!
No Dancing in the Streets each episode focused on the development of contemporary music genres. Episode 8 No Fun was on punk but theres massive holes in it of course.
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I love how simply due to their success BLUE OYSTER CULT is ALWAYS left out of EVERY punk documentary despite the fact that Patti Smith was contributing lyrics to BOC as far back as '73 as well as appearing (before her debut album) on BOC's "Secret Treaties" and "Agents Of Fortunes" albums. Also, BOC were probably more responsible for spreading the MC5's classic "Kick Out The Jams" to a mass audience than any band by covering the tune on their "One Enchanted Evening" live album. Furthermore, BOC were incestuously tied to THE DICTATORS, SHAKIN' STREET, etc. However, because BOC had the "audacity" to have a fluke hit single with their ode to suicide "Don't Fear The Reaper" in '75 they're almost totally written out of punk historiography though it was obvious MANY groups such as the early Australian punk group RADIO BIRDMAN were obviously equally attracted to BOC and THE STOOGES using a line from BOC's tune "Dominance & Submission" as the title of their first album: "Radios Appear". BLUE OYSTER CULT were the epitome of the post-psych garage band attitude that powered the '77 punk explosion. If you don't believe me just pick up any of BOC's first five albums ("Blue Oyster Cult" '72, "Tyranny & Mutation" '73, "Secret Treaties" '73, the amazing live album "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" '74, and '75's "Agents Of Fortune"), open your mind and listen...Also, this documentary is kind of bad. Way too much coverage of the novelty NY DOLLS rip off act known as The Sex Pistols. The first REAL UK punk band was THE DAMNED...another band quite obviously influenced by BOC (especially on their "Machine Gun Etiquette", "The Black Album", and "Strawberries" LPs). It's absurd that this documentary proposes that John Lydon was the "spokesman" of punk. Anyone who thinks there is such a thing as a "spokesman" for punk is NOT a punk...
I'm not sure where you are getting that, the facts are Patti Smith wrote songs bands played and BOC was around the same scene as the MC5 and Iggy and so on but they were also a stadium rock band with hits and press. they never made any attempt to be promoters of punk cause they were part of something else. it's ok they were part of the early prog rock thing good for them. The dammed Rocked the Buzz cox the stranger's lots of brit bands were super cool the pistols just got the pres. I saw the pistols on channel 5 out of the city in 77-78 and flowed them because they were so angry and ugly like I was at11. the pistols did not do much other than that one record but it was almost as good as Raw power or fun house. but then that was it. the exray specs the germs Richerd hell Joan Jett all get too much press compared to folks who put in more time but it is what it is. I will write about Punk and then you can disagree with me. FRS
I don't care much for your slagging off the Pistols. Everyone knows that they were the ones who changed EVERYTHING! Johnny Rotten was the spokesperson for the generation let alone the whole world's view of their own lives and values. Punk had nothing to do with the US of A, the shit country that brought us the New York Dolls, a hilarious, tragic act that makes the Bay City Rollers look good. You need a reality check mate:-
@@dredoravens True, Blue Oyster Cult, while certainly affiliated with some punk luminaries, were, at the end of the day, more than anything a stadium rock band.
I’d prefer not to...The Modern Lovers are a fantastic place to start the story of punk. Lenny Kaye started a radio show where he played old sixties rock which is where a lot of youth in New York heard garage rock for the first time but it was The Modern Lovers, who inspired Joey Ramone and Johnny Rotten. (Chrissy Hynde goes to London with Malcom McClaren and brings bootlegs of The Modern Lovers) Although early garage rock bands influenced punk the Documentary makes it clear that most kids at that time felt that this garage rock was something from 15yrs prior and didn’t think they could do that anymore with the way rock and roll was removed from youth culture and became too sophisticated. When the Modern Lovers came around in 1971 they were local, of the moment and gave inspiration to Television, Sex Pistols, Talking Heads and The Ramones. Often I feel when a band doesn’t get their deserved recognition by someone it is due to feeling threatened by them, threatened that they must credit and respect artists who are still living while for some it is easier to give credit and praise older bands that pose no threat cause most of them are dead and therefore can be praised without feeling threatened by the fact that someone from your very own generation can receive this type of recognition.
First Wave Of Punk 1968-1980 *band / debut date / city* MC 5 (1968) Detroit The Stooges (1969) Detroit The Modern Lovers (1973) Boston The Patti Smith Group (1975) New York The Dictators (1975) New York Ramones (1976) New York Richard Hell & The Voidoids (1976) New York The Heartbreakers (1977) New York The Dead Boys (1977) Cleveland The Damned (1977) London Sex Pistols (1977) London Buzzcocks (1977) London The Clash (1977) London D.O.A. (1978) Vancouver The Subhumans {Ca} (1978) Vancouver Crass (1978) Epping, UK The Misfits (1978) Lodi, NJ The Cramps (1979) New York The Germs (1979) Los Angeles Black Flag (1979) Los Angeles X (1980) Los Angeles Dead Kennedys (1980) San Francisco Circle Jerks (1980) Los Angeles
I'm agree . But don't forget The Neon Boys ( the early Television + Richard Hell) . There 's an EP published by Shake record. Middle Class "Out of vogue" 1978 Sant Ana.
@@christopher9152Johnny thunders was important on his own in my opinion with dolls heartbreakers and solo him and Richard hell and the rest of the heartbreakers had a great punk look made pistols look like dorks
Great seeing this now that I am 2/3 through listening to Patti Smith's Biography Just Kids in my native language, Icelandic. She was dating Sam Shepard, after Mapplethorpe's relationship, and finished her first concert/Poetry reading with this guitar player, in the Church that lit up her passion. What a fascinating story.
This documentary only follows the basic mainstream synopsis that the lame Rolling Stone-type "rock" critics always seem to trot out in any of their "history of punk" stories. There is much deeper and entangled story behind the birth of punk rock than the formulated "NYC then London" one that those so-called rock critics always use. There were many more bands, countries, and cities involved. Some that even came before NYC. Detroit and Cleveland had very interesting scenes happening before and during the NYC scene. Then there were bands like the Electric Eels, Stooges, The Pagans, Rocket From the Tombs, Pete Ubu, and Death. These are a few of the American bands that never get mentioned in any of these "Birth of Punk" articles. Then there was The Saints from Austrailia, who put out the punk single I'm Stranded before the Sex Pistols or the Damned came out with their first punk singles in England. Punk can even be traced farther back into the late 1950s and early 60s with some loud, crazy ahead-of-its-time rock n roll and rockabilly by the likes of Bunker Hill & Link Wray, The Sonics, and Los Saicos from Peru. The highlight of this documentary was the section about the close ties between punk and reggae. An important part of punk history that is often passed over.
@@alicewolfson4423 the two or three songs that Bunker Hill put out in (1959 I believe), with Link Wray and the Wraymen playing behind him was so SAVAGE!! Those songs are YEARS ahead of their time. Screaming vocals backed up with the loud crunching guitar of Link Wray must have literally scared the living crap out of 1950s America. All of that wholesome purity and innocence completely destroyed after hearing it. The Leave it to Beaver 1950s Ametica generation was totally violated and corrupted, never able to return to that wholesome goodness and innocence. The other interesting and compelling oart if thus story is thatcBunker Hill was a black minister and Link Wray was a Native American. A little well deserved revenge inflicted on white America for all of the injustices and cruelty inflicted upon blacks and Natives by whites durung the approximately 300 previous years in America
I like how Tina and Chris talk about THE BAND and David Byrne can only talk about HIMSELF. Good grief, I get so sick of that pompous bullshit with musicians. "It was ME, ME, ME....WHAT I WROTE, WHAT I HAD TO EXPRESS!"
This doc. it is related to the New York scene or rather the East coast m This doc. it is related to the New York scene or rather the East coast but by naming pistols and Clash you have forgotten the Dead Boys and an American band from Acron Ohio DEVO the most visionary and Eclectic musicians, in my opinion, of America then it must be said that the punk of the west coast was much faster and equally raw and violent Dead Kennedys Germs black flag circle jerks and many others opened In any case, the music of my adolescence and also in Italy brought a breath of fresh air to hardcore punk, I saw several American, Australian, English, Germans but Italy has never been a destination that record companies liked, especially independent ones, thank you, we are always the blank generation ✊I wanted to close by saying that the word Punk was perhaps used first in England but the progenitors of the genre were the Velvet underground Iggy pop & the Stooges MC5 and New York Dolls❤👋
Raggae was a huge influence across the board. A best friend from Brixton who turned me on to Dub, while bringing up Sex Pistols - mentioned that I though the music and lyrics was put together like Raggae songs. He got a big grin and replied " Most people don't get that."
@petetestube2904 That's true. Besides reggae, many of the early punks indeed were also into soul music (at least in the UK). On one of the earlier episodes of The Tube, The Jam is featured, and the band performs an excellent live cover version of Curtis Mayfield's soul classic "Move On Up."
1978-81...in my sisters bedroom...listening on headphones to Blondie and then Patti Smith and Television and later,Talking Heads...this as in the UK...It set the stage for a trashy life...
I had this on VHS, almost 20 years old but threw the fucking thing out bc youtube had a version (this one) in much better quality. thanks for trying though mr clements!
The middle of the 70s punk was the best sex pistols ,the clash ,Ramones Blondie ,talking heads ,the buzzcocks the vibrators Televisión, Richard Hell,the dead boys,the Boys etc.etc.
After acknowledging influence of reggae& sound system culture on UK (London)music scene - there’s a bizarre omission of rap, hip hop, electro influence on NYC scene - which was massive & in true spirit of the punk DIY attitude
Met Sousixe when I was behind the bar in Maestro/s in 83 In Glasgow. . She was ab absolute diamond. A real lady, cheers Duck. Sorry about the spekking.
So many of these musician's are now gone including Pete Shelley recently, good to see em here in their younger days, though Ari Up sounds a bit silly talking in minor patois. Great documentary, thanks for the upload.
We need another movement like punk to happen again, to say fuck you to the establishment and the music industry. But I'm not seeing any anger...and that has me concerned
punk is still around... technically, but there are very few good bands that are genuine, not that I would know, I still listen to what I did in the 90's (Jawbreaker, descendents, dag nasty, J church, etc.) Can't stand what is out there now, too whiney. as for a real revolution, I wouldn't hold your breath, people are too depressed and trying to make ends meet. it'll come eventually but probably not until it's too late. Most people don't realize how bad things are, and look at you like you're nuts if you point out there are problems and this isn't the way we should be living, the programming works too well!
It’s become a cartoon over time, but at the time hearing someone so derided, so threatening, so defiant say “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated…” lit a match that lit a lamp for me.
Having seen the 10, 20, 25th and 30 year anniversary of London '76 documentaries on the BBC, this might be my favourite. London(and New York) still look more like then than they do now, all the interviewees are still alive (well obviously, but you know what I mean), and looking good. Pre-youtube, it was still a thrill to see this footage, too.
It's not the most accurate history of punk rock, but it did delve into the connection between The Clash and The Slits style of punk and reggae, without which perhaps we would not have Bad Brains. Everyone saying reggae doesn't fit into the punk narrative clearly did not listen to any of the interviews from Ari Up of the Slits. You have to actually listen to the interviews even if you're pissed off that it doesn't start in Detroit with the MC5 or the Stooges.
Echoing the "it didn't start there" line of comments. Dolls, MC5, Stooges yes yes it's documented but give the Beeb some credit for issuing this with WGBH's help. Thought The Damned was worth a proper mention and if you show The Slits you show The Raincoats. #onlybloodyfair
Not one thought of "The Jam"? I saw in another show, a B roll section that had the Ramones telling a group they were playing their set 30 minutes faster. In that group was Joe Strummer and Paul Weller of the Clash and The Jam.
Funny that .........whole point is left out that,Richman...was a Maxes patron and learned everything from Iggy and Reed.... ( prior to going out to Berkley )
If anyone was at the forefront of UK punk in '76-'77, it was The Damned. They released the first UK punk single AND the first UK punk album AND were the first UK punk band to tour the US.
@@bhdctn No, nothing. Even though Johnny hated the 'punk' word and said that he only played rock'n'roll. He's definitely the father of punk. Everybody thinks that punk was born in England. But no, it already was alive in the US and Malcolm McClaren imported the 'idea' to the UK. Then we both, and many others know the rest....
This was shot in the early 90's about..... Lydon sounded almost unrecognisable here ....so reasonable...he had yet to start his predictable media assault ....honouring every low life chat show invitation that needed a bit of "controversy"....
I've met many a person with a face you just want to punch. But to meet one that has that face, coupled with their voice is quite rare, so nice one Malcolm McLaren.
If you admire him, hate him, or want to punch him in the face - what does it matter? Think he cares? He was a pivotal person with vision and genius doesn't mean likeable.
You should listen to The Sonics "The Witch", or Led Zeppelin's "Communication Breakdown" or even The Who's "My Generation". There are others, but that's a good start.
Yeah, where are the Dolls/Heartbreakers? They were talking about how the radio and the industry had no interest, but the few times the NY radio stations played the Dolls and the Ramones they would get complaints. It was the audience that wanted the Eagles and Elton John and prog rock, just like their parents wanted "How Much is That Doggie in the Window" and Dean Martin. In retrospect, the surprise is that real rocknroll was ever popular at all.
You knew this doc was bullshit when they declared Modern Lovers as the spark that set it off. Neglecting MC5, Stooges, Velvets & to dare to mention McClaren without giving props to the band he stole it all from, being the Dolls & Heartbreakers just leaves you wondering what the fuck is this piffle?
So, punk started in Boston with Jonathan Richman, Lenny Kaye and his NYC poet pals couldn't understand prog rock, the Ramones were teenagers when they started their band, Authentic punk rockers Steve Jones and Johnny Rotten live like kings in palatial estates and a narrator from BBC makes it all sound like something out of a college textbook. This was more a comedy than a documentary.
I was a Punk in Appalachia in the Seventies and early Eighties. I was misunderstood to put it mildly.But that was the most joyous part of my life and I thank you for this.
hillbillies? The Appalachian Mountains? That's like it's own kind of punk in itself; I'm sneaking only of what I've seen on TV and Hollywood movies.
Was not; still are and always will be...
There was punk in Appalachia??
@@mei6044 It was very rare and when you could find a punk album or cassette at the local record shop. They put it in a black bag the same way they did porn tapes. I started listening to punk rock when I was 10 years old 1985 and I am from Tennessee in the Appalachian Mountain region.
@@mei6044 Yep, I’m from southern West Virginia smack dab in the middle of the Appalachian mountains. We had several punk bands in my area growing up and lots of metal bands. We all loved hard heavy music. From Dead Kennedys and NOFX to Black Sabbath and Metallica, on and on man. Kids are the same everywhere you go.
There ought to be more about Television. I know TV footage or films from live gigs are scarce, but one must stress that it was actually Hell and Verlaine who discovered CBGB's by just walking by, stepping inside and ask Cristal if they could play there. And Television was the most interesting and talented band of the bunch. Marquee moon is seminal.
Karin Anna Maria "...live gigs are scarce.."; I'm buzzed so have a heart but I thought you said "live WIGS are scarce..."
@@MrDanty64 tea cheers fiver wiv a mask?
@@MrDanty64 hahaha :D
And Richard Hell, who was in Television at that point. started the whole "punk look" with his short choppy haircut and ripped clothes held together w/ safety pins and all that shit that was co-opted into the whole brand of modern punk rock.
SEMINAL !!!
Patti Smith, John Lydon & Bob Marley absolutely shine thru. When artists channel their energy, they change the world forever. The work of all three of these giant talents certainly changed my life & got me thru some hard times. Each of them in their own way helped me make sense of the world.
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Exactly right! 🤠
Rotten was a different animal than the other 2.
The Pistols were more of a visual than a musical revolution. I think the Ramones and Joy Division made a deeper longer lasting contribution
@@rolandrothwell4840 Most modern punk bands sound like NOFX or Green Day. By their own admission, these groups took much of their sneering brand of punk rock from the Sex Pistols. There is not much 1960s-style crooning a la Joey Ramone in NOFX's song catalogue (though, admittedly, there is a bit of that in Green Day's more recent records). NOFX and Green Day were also inspired by US hardcore punk bands of the late 1970s/early 1980s like Minor Threat, Bad Brains and Circle Jerks, all of whom were mainly influenced by the Sex Pistols, The Clash and other first wave UK punk rock bands.
I would have picked the Stooges as the initial blokes that lit the fuse. Jonathon was and remains more of a cult artist that was only discovered by digging deep. Still, a great little doco with much to say in a very compacted time frame.
I agree . Also the band the punks from 1973 had very hard vibes for the time
Of course! I was just listening to funhouse before
Damn right! I remember when this series first aired in the 1990s and I was really angry (and still am) at the selective way it talked about the history of popular music. I've always regarded the Stooges and the MC5 as the beginning of punk. 'Roadrunner' isn't a bad song, but compared to 'Search And Destroy' or 'Kick Out The Jams', it's pretty lightweight.
@@edmundkockenlocker4672 Damn right! The opening premise of this doco is laughable.
It was The Stooges and The New York Dolls and The Ramones; don't fully believe this documentary, or, incorporate this documentary with your existing wealth of knowledge.
What a blast from the past this was. I remember watching this on tv in England with my parents in my mid-teens. Mid-90s or so I believe. Thanks for the upload.
Im glad someone in the comments beat me to the punch. THE DAMNED. The best 4 chord rock and roll I've ever heard. Albums that you don't have to skip tracks. Should be recognized as the best in their class. Life isn't fair.
The calmest, least crotchety interview that John Lydon ever gave. And the only time we ever got to see his LA mansion. (Maybe there's a reason for that, as it's a rather obvious huge disconnect with his stated eternal link to and preference for the working class of Finsbury Park...) Steve Jones seems healthy and happy, quite unlike the Steve of today, who seems heartbreakingly sad and lonely. But he was probably still masking it with substances back then.
In the mid '90s, the BBC started making really good music docs. This series and the Beatles Anthology series were huge for my generation of musicians and music nerds.
Did you once live in Topeka, KS, across from the Bennetts? TY
@@sangindrummond5865 Actually I'm in New Zealand. But... howdy!
it's fun to see the old clips, a faint feeling of being young and going out every night in NYC, so many clubs, so little time..
It just seems that some people are born punk like it’s embedded in your heart and just comes out when you first hear a 3 chord riff
True, at 47 you'd think I'd have grown up by now..I may have kids and responsibilities, but deep down I'm still an existentialist..rock on
Like the former president
i was 9 when i heard the clash (best band) fell completely in love, this was in the early 2000 now im listening , they were a gateway to so much wonderful and amazing bands
@@jasem222 lol you talk like you´re original era " punk "
@@klijirirri5208 who says punk has an 'era'?. It never stopped where I'm from, just changed. As music does.
Jonathan R readily admits his influence by the Stooges and The Velvets -he was the softening of punk into New Wave(dance) with Blondie, Talking Heads and Television, while The Dolls ,Ramones et.al. continued towards Pistols ,Clash, Dictators, etc. love the branching into Buzzcocks ,(Wire ,Gang of Four, Pylon,)
Patti Smith
The Modern Lovers Album was recorded in 1973 - he wasn’t “the softening of punk to new wave “ shut the F up you don’t even know what you’re talking about.
These people meant, and still mean so much to me.
im so happy that i was raised in the sf bay area
the college stations were playing all the bands that regular stations wouldnt
I'm happy for you. The S.Fran Bay Area is boss!
Oh holy shit Jonathan Richman really does talk like that! LOL, I always thought it was affected for comedic purposes.
I met him a few years ago, he's a real space cookie.
@@cliffwebb1621 im sure he is on the spectrum
He sounds like Forrest Gump.
@@cliffwebb1621 met im a few wotzz?!! hahaaaaa
@@IvanLendl87 itz yuh mum en yuh key chin?
Far out documentary. More heart and soul than most 'punk' docs.
And thank you for making this available.
Titled "No Fun" doesnt include the Stooges ?
They mention every band except for the band who invented the genre. The stooges.
@@zachdawson1822 They covered The Stooges in a previous episode in the series to this one along with MC5 and The Velvet Underground.
Couldn't agree more, and the Boston scene, where Jonathan Richman came from, was rich and should have had so much more coverage as well?
@@georgemacinnis19 good god iz that the time
@@matthewcoombs3282 what's the name of the series?
Such a great episode of a great documentary. Sadly it’ll never get a re-release as apparently there’s too many issues with clearance to get it to digital or dvd.
Jonathan Richman truly is a modern wonder.
Swayze says Patti Smith is full of herself..
Hahaha...
But she's alive and you're dead, so...
Great doc! And I think hits on the elements where the masses started to take notice. I was shocked by Richman starting off too - but have to admit he brought it to the forefront for many that were into farming, cattle, and grease. And right after Nixon and Viet Nam et al, 'Everything Gonna Be Alright' was the right song at the right time. Yet reggae really is about oppression and misery people are trying to escape from. So is amazing how so many wanted this 'overnight cure' with Carter and disco and bicentennials and jubilee's. Yet many were getting savvy that it was never going to really be over.
First time I've ever seen or heard Tom Verlaine being interviewed! : )
This is one of the Best punk documentaries.
R.i.p Pete Shelley
Steve Jones on Jonesey's Jukebox is sometimes educational and often hilarious
Love his show. He doesn't so much 'interview' guests as just rambles on with them ("'Ow are yer?!") .. very funny conversations often follow!
@@andrewfrancis7272 wiz oz haz yello brix rodeo2zz?
Jonesy's Jukebox is stuff of legend - loads available on RUclips still thankfully. The best imo are John Cooper-Clarke and Paul Cook. Great stuff
Who actually owns all that black and white Super-8 footage from CBGB's that you always see in these documentaries? Why don't they just release it all on DVD?
It was all shot by Ivan Kral and Amos Poe, and was included in their movie THE BLANK GENERATION.
i have many cassettes of patti at cbgb--just electric stuff
Hilly used to offer cassette tapes of every band (10$)
The recordings were direct from board and came out in good enough quality to use as a demo
Wonder what happened to all those tapes?
Right before cbgbs
Closed The Raddicts were doing something on st marks , i think they might have access to some stuff Hilly left when he left earth
There was also a cat named Clayton that filmed everything in east village
An a cat named JohnnyMetal used to sell these videos on the street
STONE FILMS NYC has tons of footage 80s 90s
Happy hunting!
Maybe they make more money by selling/licensing bits of it, rather than the whole lot in one go.
@@robertcook2680 not too good of a movie-seemed all out of synch
Also watching a Pistols doc with a lot o' Lydon. Same thing. Hell: "They were stacked up in CBGB so thirsty they were for reality" Lydon, questioned about Pistols lyrics: "Telling the truth is a very, very good way to live". Thanks to you both, Mr. Meyers and Mr. Lydon.
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1995 PBS documentary with around 10 parts. Starting with Blues, Rockabilly, Sun Records etc.
It was called "The History Of Rock N Roll".
It was actually produced by the BBC.
@@jeshkam bbc are filth and hated worldwide by your non sheeple type human 😄
@@ianmangham4570 The f**k is your problem? You think I follow BBC news daily? BS!
@@jeshkam Go make me a sandwich SNOWFLAKE 😄
Like other musical revolutions, Punk began in America (perhaps not so much with the Modern Lovers) and was sold back to the USA by the British. Key points are missed in this doco which makes for an often confusing and disjointed timeline.
Punk as punk is pure British, yes iggy is the grandpa, but was he punk..great conversation though..I miss it
That hum all throughout is pretty punk haha
hated that....probably fixable
@@petrovic178 this is probably a transfer from video tape so whomever recorded the show from tv had a shitty ungrounded plug...and it ended up in the recording..UGH..
Jonathan Richmond and the Modern Lovers inspired many....Including the Rubinoos. He played in Chico last night. Still amazing. Still inspiring bands to this day.
erd raymoonz en tail-iz wit key ip so facto punkey hiz?..
It's Richman, not Richmond
I remember watching this on BBC2 the Dancing in the streets series either 1995 0r 1996?
22:46 John Lydon.. what a brilliant performer!
Roadrunner by Modern Lovers is about my neighborhood! Stop n Shop was the first store on the eastcoast to be open 24hrs, it was like a revelation, love in the modern world. Also gave us Gerry Harrison and Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads
I like how they have dunkin donuts in the stop n shop up there
Tina Weymouth had no connection with the modern lovers what so ever - you don’t know what the F you are talking about.
I actually remember watching this back in the 90s, on BBC2 no doubt, with a couple of cans and a blunt
To think 96 was closer to 76 than now...
blurtaaa,iz that the queen?[2in az,sink,trade test haz?]clowns dance'beeeeb'?
I just realized..all those garage bands were my favorites growing up..if i only knew then what i found out in the mid 70s
Uh...Ramones were all in their 20s when they started playing their instruments AND started the band. Dee Dee and Joey were the youngest at 23 and 22. That's not teenaged.
Ramones playing the Roundhouse had a huge influence on the London punks
Brilliant live L P aswell
That's cool I love the Ramones and the pistols ruined no fun btw
July 1976
being 16 years old in London 1976 was fanfu...tastic!!!!
Of course they forget Australia and every other country. ‘Punk’ was a zeitgeist happening everywhere concurrently.
Regardless, well worth the watch
I found this upload randomly, and I'm really intrigued. This has to be the most in-depth documentary on Punk rock ever made if it's episode 8 (7 hours in?) and they are just now getting to the NY scene in the mid-70s!
No Dancing in the Streets each episode focused on the development of contemporary music genres. Episode 8 No Fun was on punk but theres massive holes in it of course.
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I love how simply due to their success BLUE OYSTER CULT is ALWAYS left out of EVERY punk documentary despite the fact that Patti Smith was contributing lyrics to BOC as far back as '73 as well as appearing (before her debut album) on BOC's "Secret Treaties" and "Agents Of Fortunes" albums. Also, BOC were probably more responsible for spreading the MC5's classic "Kick Out The Jams" to a mass audience than any band by covering the tune on their "One Enchanted Evening" live album. Furthermore, BOC were incestuously tied to THE DICTATORS, SHAKIN' STREET, etc. However, because BOC had the "audacity" to have a fluke hit single with their ode to suicide "Don't Fear The Reaper" in '75 they're almost totally written out of punk historiography though it was obvious MANY groups such as the early Australian punk group RADIO BIRDMAN were obviously equally attracted to BOC and THE STOOGES using a line from BOC's tune "Dominance & Submission" as the title of their first album: "Radios Appear". BLUE OYSTER CULT were the epitome of the post-psych garage band attitude that powered the '77 punk explosion. If you don't believe me just pick up any of BOC's first five albums ("Blue Oyster Cult" '72, "Tyranny & Mutation" '73, "Secret Treaties" '73, the amazing live album "On Your Feet Or On Your Knees" '74, and '75's "Agents Of Fortune"), open your mind and listen...Also, this documentary is kind of bad. Way too much coverage of the novelty NY DOLLS rip off act known as The Sex Pistols. The first REAL UK punk band was THE DAMNED...another band quite obviously influenced by BOC (especially on their "Machine Gun Etiquette", "The Black Album", and "Strawberries" LPs). It's absurd that this documentary proposes that John Lydon was the "spokesman" of punk. Anyone who thinks there is such a thing as a "spokesman" for punk is NOT a punk...
Agreed
I'm not sure where you are getting that, the facts are Patti Smith wrote songs bands played and BOC was around the same scene as the MC5 and Iggy and so on but they were also a stadium rock band with hits and press. they never made any attempt to be promoters of punk cause they were part of something else. it's ok they were part of the early prog rock thing good for them.
The dammed Rocked the Buzz cox the stranger's lots of brit bands were super cool the pistols just got the pres. I saw the pistols on channel 5 out of the city in 77-78 and flowed them because they were so angry and ugly like I was at11. the pistols did not do much other than that one record but it was almost as good as Raw power or fun house. but then that was it. the exray specs the germs Richerd hell Joan Jett all get too much press compared to folks who put in more time but it is what it is. I will write about Punk and then you can disagree with me. FRS
"Don't fear the reefer" by Fatty Spliff
I don't care much for your slagging off the Pistols. Everyone knows that they were the ones who changed EVERYTHING! Johnny Rotten was the spokesperson for the generation let alone the whole world's view of their own lives and values. Punk had nothing to do with the US of A, the shit country that brought us the New York Dolls, a hilarious, tragic act that makes the Bay City Rollers look good. You need a reality check mate:-
@@dredoravens True, Blue Oyster Cult, while certainly affiliated with some punk luminaries, were, at the end of the day, more than anything a stadium rock band.
I was a first generation punk rock girl from 1978 , and I will always remember the best time of my life
It was 5 years of pure misery for me, and I resent the CIA and Tavistock for the punk rock psyop.
I've always loved punk and reggae. I was a little punkrr in the 80s and evermore since
Thanks David! So great to see these again.
Only 2 bands who still excite me at 58 years OLD are Sex Pistols and The Ramones.
It did NOT start with Jonathan Richman!! Bad way to start a documentary!!! For example, Stooges: 1969, MC5: 1968, The Sonics: 1964 !!!! Duh....
This documentary series actually had The Velvets and The Stooges on an earlier episode also featuring The Doors.
@ChromeDestiny Ahh, I see, makes more sense then, but if Sonics and MC5 not in first episode my comment still stands! :-)
those are all Proto-Punk bands, not punk
@videowash Shut up
I’d prefer not to...The Modern Lovers are a fantastic place to start the story of punk. Lenny Kaye started a radio show where he played old sixties rock which is where a lot of youth in New York heard garage rock for the first time but it was The Modern Lovers, who inspired Joey Ramone and Johnny Rotten. (Chrissy Hynde goes to London with Malcom McClaren and brings bootlegs of The Modern Lovers) Although early garage rock bands influenced punk the Documentary makes it clear that most kids at that time felt that this garage rock was something from 15yrs prior and didn’t think they could do that anymore with the way rock and roll was removed from youth culture and became too sophisticated. When the Modern Lovers came around in 1971 they were local, of the moment and gave inspiration to Television, Sex Pistols, Talking Heads and The Ramones. Often I feel when a band doesn’t get their deserved recognition by someone it is due to feeling threatened by them, threatened that they must credit and respect artists who are still living while for some it is easier to give credit and praise older bands that pose no threat cause most of them are dead and therefore can be praised without feeling threatened by the fact that someone from your very own generation can receive this type of recognition.
First Wave Of Punk 1968-1980
*band / debut date / city*
MC 5 (1968) Detroit
The Stooges (1969) Detroit
The Modern Lovers (1973) Boston
The Patti Smith Group (1975) New York
The Dictators (1975) New York
Ramones (1976) New York
Richard Hell & The Voidoids (1976) New York
The Heartbreakers (1977) New York
The Dead Boys (1977) Cleveland
The Damned (1977) London
Sex Pistols (1977) London
Buzzcocks (1977) London
The Clash (1977) London
D.O.A. (1978) Vancouver
The Subhumans {Ca} (1978) Vancouver
Crass (1978) Epping, UK
The Misfits (1978) Lodi, NJ
The Cramps (1979) New York
The Germs (1979) Los Angeles
Black Flag (1979) Los Angeles
X (1980) Los Angeles
Dead Kennedys (1980) San Francisco
Circle Jerks (1980) Los Angeles
I'm agree . But don't forget The Neon Boys ( the early Television + Richard Hell) . There 's an EP published by Shake record. Middle Class "Out of vogue" 1978 Sant Ana.
The dictators actually came in 1974
as noted in this doc, the "punk" sound originated with california garage bands during the mid-60s
it did not start with mc5 in detroit
@@thewkovacs316 don't forget Texas sixties punk bands like 6th floor elevators, Moving sidewalks, American Blues.
@@robertoacciarini2844 dont you mean 13th floor elevators?
I always thought the New York Dolls were the most influential band of the early 70s for Punk ......😳
They were most definitely among the most influential of bands. Not really sure there is an absolute MOST influential...
S. Marcus I mean in there dress Etc ... and there music was definitely Rock ..👍🏻
they were the earliest, after the Velvets
Stooges, VU, and MC5 were the seminal "protopunk" bands, I think.
@@christopher9152Johnny thunders was important on his own in my opinion with dolls heartbreakers and solo him and Richard hell and the rest of the heartbreakers had a great punk look made pistols look like dorks
Great seeing this now that I am 2/3 through listening to Patti Smith's Biography Just Kids in my native language, Icelandic. She was dating Sam Shepard, after Mapplethorpe's relationship, and finished her first concert/Poetry reading with this guitar player, in the Church that lit up her passion. What a fascinating story.
This documentary only follows the basic mainstream synopsis that the lame Rolling Stone-type "rock" critics always seem to trot out in any of their "history of punk" stories. There is much deeper and entangled story behind the birth of punk rock than the formulated "NYC then London" one that those so-called rock critics always use. There were many more bands, countries, and cities involved. Some that even came before NYC. Detroit and Cleveland had very interesting scenes happening before and during the NYC scene. Then there were bands like the Electric Eels, Stooges, The Pagans, Rocket From the Tombs, Pete Ubu, and Death. These are a few of the American bands that never get mentioned in any of these "Birth of Punk" articles. Then there was The Saints from Austrailia, who put out the punk single I'm Stranded before the Sex Pistols or the Damned came out with their first punk singles in England. Punk can even be traced farther back into the late 1950s and early 60s with some loud, crazy ahead-of-its-time rock n roll and rockabilly by the likes of Bunker Hill & Link Wray, The Sonics, and Los Saicos from Peru. The highlight of this documentary was the section about the close ties between punk and reggae. An important part of punk history that is often passed over.
Even 60s bands like the Troggs partly inspired punk.
I see you mention Bunker Hill. Unfortunately, not many people know about his fine music.
@@alicewolfson4423 the two or three songs that Bunker Hill put out in (1959 I believe), with Link Wray and the Wraymen playing behind him was so SAVAGE!! Those songs are YEARS ahead of their time. Screaming vocals backed up with the loud crunching guitar of Link Wray must have literally scared the living crap out of 1950s America. All of that wholesome purity and innocence completely destroyed after hearing it. The Leave it to Beaver 1950s Ametica generation was totally violated and corrupted, never able to return to that wholesome goodness and innocence. The other interesting and compelling oart if thus story is thatcBunker Hill was a black minister and Link Wray was a Native American. A little well deserved revenge inflicted on white America for all of the injustices and cruelty inflicted upon blacks and Natives by whites durung the approximately 300 previous years in America
@@mikewines7852 I can imagine how shocked they'd be by his music.
I like how Tina and Chris talk about THE BAND and David Byrne can only talk about HIMSELF. Good grief, I get so sick of that pompous bullshit with musicians. "It was ME, ME, ME....WHAT I WROTE, WHAT I HAD TO EXPRESS!"
This doc. it is related to the New York scene or rather the East coast m This doc. it is related to the New York scene or rather the East coast but by naming pistols and Clash you have forgotten the Dead Boys and an American band from Acron Ohio DEVO the most visionary and Eclectic musicians, in my opinion, of America then it must be said that the punk of the west coast was much faster and equally raw and violent Dead Kennedys Germs black flag circle jerks and many others opened In any case, the music of my adolescence and also in Italy brought a breath of fresh air to hardcore punk, I saw several American, Australian, English, Germans but Italy has never been a destination that record companies liked, especially independent ones, thank you, we are always the blank generation ✊I wanted to close by saying that the word Punk was perhaps used first in England but the progenitors of the genre were the Velvet underground Iggy pop & the Stooges MC5 and New York Dolls❤👋
Missed the Damned
Missed a lot!
Love the Damned
Raggae was a huge influence across the board. A best friend from Brixton who turned me on to Dub, while bringing up Sex Pistols - mentioned that I though the music and lyrics was put together like Raggae songs. He got a big grin and replied " Most people don't get that."
So true a lot of the 2 tone bands are very punky sounding.
@@paulsecrest9427 Check out Don Letts documentaries they're great!
@petetestube2904 That's true. Besides reggae, many of the early punks indeed were also into soul music (at least in the UK). On one of the earlier episodes of The Tube, The Jam is featured, and the band performs an excellent live cover version of Curtis Mayfield's soul classic "Move On Up."
1st bands to play CBGB were: Wayne County's QUEEN ELIZABETH; Eric Emerson's MAGIC TRAMPS; THE STILETTOS... in 1973!
That is absolutely not true. You don’t know what the F you are talking about. You may be confused with Mercer Arts Center - you must be too young.
1978-81...in my sisters bedroom...listening on headphones to Blondie and then Patti Smith and Television and later,Talking Heads...this as in the UK...It set the stage for a trashy life...
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@@stevebez8284 IKR?
I had this on VHS, almost 20 years old but threw the fucking thing out bc youtube had a version (this one) in much better quality. thanks for trying though mr clements!
I know how you feel, having cool stuff on VHS & I just had to purge on a whim🙄
The middle of the 70s punk was the best sex pistols ,the clash ,Ramones Blondie ,talking heads ,the buzzcocks the vibrators Televisión, Richard Hell,the dead boys,the Boys etc.etc.
No mention of the damned again, first punk single, first punk album, never sold out to big music and still touring?
After acknowledging influence of reggae& sound system culture on UK (London)music scene - there’s a bizarre omission of rap, hip hop, electro influence on NYC scene - which was massive & in true spirit of the punk DIY attitude
Awesome documentary!! Thank u for sharing it!!
I love the bit where Sid hit that geezer over the head with the base.
hell0 luveeez
Thank you for this bigggggg love from Eire
Punk Is Freedom
sell more soap?
Met Sousixe when I was behind the bar in Maestro/s in 83 In Glasgow. . She was ab absolute diamond. A real lady, cheers Duck. Sorry about the spekking.
So many of these musician's are now gone including Pete Shelley recently, good to see em here in their younger days, though Ari Up sounds a bit silly talking in minor patois. Great documentary, thanks for the upload.
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I lived in the suburbs at the time. The people there said I was going to hell for listening to punk rock.
Wha? That's heavy metal's thing! It's metal = hell, punk = prison.
This is an outrage!
You have to go correct them.
We need another movement like punk to happen again, to say fuck you to the establishment and the music industry. But I'm not seeing any anger...and that has me concerned
punk is still around... technically, but there are very few good bands that are genuine, not that I would know, I still listen to what I did in the 90's (Jawbreaker, descendents, dag nasty, J church, etc.) Can't stand what is out there now, too whiney.
as for a real revolution, I wouldn't hold your breath, people are too depressed and trying to make ends meet. it'll come eventually but probably not until it's too late. Most people don't realize how bad things are, and look at you like you're nuts if you point out there are problems and this isn't the way we should be living, the programming works too well!
Danny James thank you!
Thanks for the video, awesome, great to get some more history
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It’s become a cartoon over time, but at the time hearing someone so derided, so threatening, so defiant say “Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated…” lit a match that lit a lamp for me.
Agree. I’m 60 and it resinates with me even more.
Having seen the 10, 20, 25th and 30 year anniversary of London '76 documentaries on the BBC, this might be my favourite.
London(and New York) still look more like then than they do now, all the interviewees are still alive (well obviously, but you know what I mean), and looking good.
Pre-youtube, it was still a thrill to see this footage, too.
Exactly!
I still remember the first night there 😎👍
It's not the most accurate history of punk rock, but it did delve into the connection between The Clash and The Slits style of punk and reggae, without which perhaps we would not have Bad Brains. Everyone saying reggae doesn't fit into the punk narrative clearly did not listen to any of the interviews from Ari Up of the Slits. You have to actually listen to the interviews even if you're pissed off that it doesn't start in Detroit with the MC5 or the Stooges.
Shouldve include The Ruts on the punk reggae link.
I consider Syd Barrett to be a big influence on the punk community. I know he was loved by Johnny Rotten and Sid Vicious
"Vegetable man", "Take up thy stethoscope and walk" (latter written by Waters)... punk ante litteram!
@@MrGothic78 bp-enc boritz!
13:23: David Byrne with long hairs!!! 😶😶😂🤣
Never seen him withHIS HAIR THAT LONG
1:20 I just realized Mac DeMarco got a bit of his thing from Jonathan Richman
Hell yeahh lmaoo, i think he’s mentioned the modern lovers before in some interview
wow yeah he got a lot of a lot we grew up with
Thanks for starting out with Jonathan. Looks like a good video.
Who knew that David Byrne looked like Eddie Vedder in the nineties.
He is Eddies daddy
Echoing the "it didn't start there" line of comments. Dolls, MC5, Stooges yes yes it's documented but give the Beeb some credit for issuing this with WGBH's help. Thought The Damned was worth a proper mention and if you show The Slits you show The Raincoats. #onlybloodyfair
They covered Iggy and the MC5 and Detroit in a previous episode to this one in the series.
No Johnny thunders in this ? That’s craaaaaazy
Not one thought of "The Jam"? I saw in another show, a B roll section that had the Ramones telling a group they were playing their set 30 minutes faster. In that group was Joe Strummer and Paul Weller of the Clash and The Jam.
Funny that .........whole point is left out that,Richman...was a Maxes patron and learned everything from Iggy and Reed.... ( prior to going out to Berkley )
Wow Patti Smith looking cute at 4:40... I've never saw her as cute.
The scene,is the one your in!
ure en zo..
Richman is a real hooligan!
haaaaaaaaa
55:54: Chris to Tina: 'I think it's "Bollocks", my dear...Bullocks is a department store in San Francisco.'
If anyone was at the forefront of UK punk in '76-'77, it was The Damned. They released the first UK punk single AND the first UK punk album AND were the first UK punk band to tour the US.
Haha they didn't do anything the saints and Ramones were around first and of course the stooges
And Johnny Thunders?
Right, cmon, so under inclusive!
Right? No mention of the New York Dolls?
@@bhdctn No, nothing. Even though Johnny hated the 'punk' word and said that he only played rock'n'roll. He's definitely the father of punk. Everybody thinks that punk was born in England. But no, it already was alive in the US and Malcolm McClaren imported the 'idea' to the UK. Then we both, and many others know the rest....
This was shot in the early 90's about..... Lydon sounded almost unrecognisable here ....so reasonable...he had yet to start his predictable media assault ....honouring every low life chat show invitation that needed a bit of "controversy"....
Our shop at 2:40 so stoked
I've met many a person with a face you just want to punch. But to meet one that has that face, coupled with their voice is quite rare, so nice one Malcolm McLaren.
If you admire him, hate him, or want to punch him in the face - what does it matter? Think he cares? He was a pivotal person with vision and genius doesn't mean likeable.
Good times all over the usa.at the same time rebirth of creativity relatively.respectfully shared .
Pistols had the first ever Punk record!!!
LOL of course not
You should listen to The Sonics "The Witch", or Led Zeppelin's "Communication Breakdown" or even The Who's "My Generation". There are others, but that's a good start.
I remember this summer 1996
I remember the summer of 77. God save the Queen
good story about mainstream punk
wot0? wtf? queen of england heer u arz?..
Yeah, where are the Dolls/Heartbreakers? They were talking about how the radio and the industry had no interest, but the few times the NY radio stations played the Dolls and the Ramones they would get complaints. It was the audience that wanted the Eagles and Elton John and prog rock, just like their parents wanted "How Much is That Doggie in the Window" and Dean Martin. In retrospect, the surprise is that real rocknroll was ever popular at all.
the ramones held up better over time than the others from same scene...
I remember seeing their movie "Rock 'n Roll High School" the day it was released....I felt disappointed...Seemed like a sell out move to me then....
You knew this doc was bullshit when they declared Modern Lovers as the spark that set it off. Neglecting MC5, Stooges, Velvets & to dare to mention McClaren without giving props to the band he stole it all from, being the Dolls & Heartbreakers just leaves you wondering what the fuck is this piffle?
Roadrunner ROCKS!!!
So, punk started in Boston with Jonathan Richman, Lenny Kaye and his NYC poet pals couldn't understand prog rock, the Ramones were teenagers when they started their band, Authentic punk rockers Steve Jones and Johnny Rotten live like kings in palatial estates and a narrator from BBC makes it all sound like something out of a college textbook. This was more a comedy than a documentary.