Why You Need Stainless Steel Brake & Clutch Lines (FM Live)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- This week, Mike Usrey gives us all the benefits of Stainless Steel lines for your clutch and brakes! Factory rubber hoses will soften with age and start to expand under pressure, SS hoses ensures that all of your pedal travel is translated directly to the clutch and brakes.
Overview/Why Stainless Steel Lines Are Better 0:20
Stainless Steel Clutch Lines 6:45
Stainless Steel Brake Lines 11:15
Viewer Questions 20:35
(Please note: Any part or vehicle can fail without proper maintenance. We suggest inspecting your brake and hydraulic system regularly for any leaks, cracks or issues. As with any performance part, mileage and performance will vary based on the application, environment and actual use.)
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A very impressive video, with enough technical information that makes understanding the brake and clutch systems easy and straightforward to understand..
Thanks Peter!
I helped my friend do his when he replaced his master. Turned out really nice
This couldn’t have come at a better time
Perfect timing, one of my stock brakes lines just started leaking
You had me at shiny race car parts. I’m pathetic.
Good stuff Mike, This defiantly got rid of my spongey brake pedal on my NB1
Thanks, Mike!
The clutch line to the slave on both my trucks currently has plastic lines
Idk about some of the missinformation, I mean marketing in this video. There's good reason why braided lines don't pass any of the requirements OEMs have to pass with rubber coated lines. To that point, I've definitely seen more braided line failures at the track from people not staying up on replacing them (no OE line failures). The coating is not more resilient and doesn't last as long allowing dirt to get in the braiding and springing a leak. New to new in a car there's no pedal difference. Has to be on a bench without firewall, pedal assembly and a multipot caliper for it be measurable. Quite a few of the line manufacturers cover that aspect. Little dispointed in this video not covering important aspects of braided lines.
I've heard these things too, from various sources. That they didn't even bother addressing them in the video is very disappointing. Let's just say I'm not convinced (but usually a big fan of Flyin' Miata.)
@@jacobmusha7188 it's not like the info is from random people either. It's straight from brake engineers and manufacturers of braided lines. So it's bizarre that a tech talk not only ignores it, but also presents contradictory information.
Our modern PTFE SS braided hoses are much higher quality than rubber hoses and have been proven to provide better feel and higher performance than aging rubber hoses. However, just like any high-performance part, mileage may vary depending on use, maintenance and environment they are used in. Even MX-5 Cup requires SS PTFE lines, so they are a proven performance upgrade for track and high performance use. The factory lines are made to last, and are probably enough for a lot of "A to B" drivers, but we stand by these as a choice for anyone looking to replace their old/aging brake lines or to improve the feel/performance of their brakes in high-performance driving situations.
@@FlyinMiataVideo this is already going in circles and does nothing to actually expand or address the known issues. The Mazda racecars require them because they are fresh racecars and are racecars. No one would run rubber coated lines on racecars unless it was a specific application. To that point racecar components aren't design to withstand the corrosive and demanding environments of street use, which again why they don't pass. Just because something is run on the racecar, it doesn't automatically mean it doesn't need constant attention and maintenance. Those parts are about performance and maintaining a short period of high reliability above everything. I've seen enough line failures or signs of pending failure to know it's irresponsible to not give the full information.
@@FlyinMiataVideo so... do your SS braided lines require maintenance? There is no "maintenance" with an OEM rubber line. The video claims they will outlive the car (5:20). Is that true or false? Racecar parts are great for racecars, but recommending them for street use without being honest about their drawbacks is not cool. I thought Flyin' Miata was above that.
Is there increased NVH with SS lines?people say the pedal feel is much improved over rubber, but by how much?Can it cause issues for someone with bad knees?
It doesn't really increase pedal resistance, just the feel and responsiveness. We don't see it being an issue.
Man perfect opportunity to tell everybody the proper way to bleed the brakes and why there is a distribution block.
I have these on my bench along with some upgraded fluid ready to go in, when I have the time.
Ask and you shall receive! We just did a step-by-step video on how to properly bleed brakes:
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@@FlyinMiataVideo the forums and every newb thanks you.
Without the ‘hooks’ at the banjo bolt end, is there a danger of these hoses moving, and then rubbing on the wheels? I’m currently debating whether to upgrade to these, but am a little concerned about the lack of these anchor points.
What supercar brand use OEM stainless steel brake line that come automatically from the dealership when you buy the vehicle?
What kind of brake line comes on a Bugatti? Rubber or stainless steel
My 90 Na has the original rubber lines and somehow I have the opposite problem, the pedal is rock hard and I need to push quite hard. Would you think that these would fix that? My initial thought was that the booster is bad but the pedal does work better with the engine on so it does do someting.
You could have a vacuum leak to the booster
Reach out to our customer support team directly, they will be happy to help you trouble shoot your issue and offer a few recommendations on possible solutions. :)
Can we I use those soft lines on the brake master cylinder?
It's always best to have rigid lines as much as possible to maintain a firm brake pedal so, I'd only run the flex lines from the chassis to the calipers.
Do the stainless steel brake hoses eventually put too much pressure on a master cylinder? I put stainless steel hoses on my 2017 civic in 2020 and now my master cylinder is leaking at the firewall. Just wasn't sure if they are related or not. Cuz my car has only 85,000 miles and on my other cars master cylinder lasted a lot longer.
Stainless lines don't flex like old rubber lines, so I suppose it's possible if your master cylinder was on its last leg, stainless lines could be the straw that broke the camel's back. Otherwise, any good condition stock master cylinder from any car should handle stainless lines fine.
@@FlyinMiataVideo Car was brand new when I got it in 2017. It's only got 85,456 miles on it. I checked my fluids the other day and the master cylinder was really low. None of the brake lines are leaking and neither is the clutch slave or the clutch hose. Clutch and brakes are on the same master cylinder now
@@dummdumm9234 Ah, gotcha. Yeah, it sounds like the master just failed kinda early then.
Flyin' Miata - if you are not racing or even spirited driving and you have over 100k on your car, would replacing with new OEM/rubber tube lines be just as good for the next 50-100k miles on the car?
Thanks.
That decision is going to be entirely subjective. In the short term, an unobservant driver might not see a big difference, but if you are looking for the best pedal feel, the best performance and the best investment in the long term health of your hydraulic system - then the braided SS lines are the obvious choice.
You should replace the lines if they are more than 6 years old. A difference should be noticable from flushing the brake system alone. Probably won't notice the brake lines, but the definitely need to be replaced regardless. For maintenance free, get new OE rubber lines.
Can u have a Complete braided line is it advisable?
i am afraid I over-torqued the banjo bolts while installing steel lines, would that be a concern?
The banjo bolt in our NA/NB kits are M10 so, you don't want to exceed 144 lb-in.
Don't the rubber brake lines have an internal nylon weave that stops them bulging the same as the steel braided ones? Has anyone actually tested to see them bulge?
The stock rubber hoses do not have a nylon sleeve similar to the SS lines, and do bulge under hard use. A quick google image search for "brake hose bulge" will probably show you what you are asking to see :)
Can you guys recommend a good shop to take my 99 mx5, around Raleigh North Carolina? It's currently stock but I'd like to have the motor checked out possibly rebuild and I stage 1 turbo kit from you.
Contact our customer support team directly, they might be able to help recommend a shop close to you.
What do you guys think about driving a Miata full time in Colorado?? I'm thinking of moving to Colorado Springs and I'm worried I"ll get stuck all the time.
I have a 2000 Miata in Colorado and I don't drive it in the snow. The roads get cleared pretty fast and the sun cooks off the snow along the front range within a couple days. So maybe there are 4 or 5 days a year I wouldn't drive it. Colorado Springs is considered part of the front range and there are some great roads to drive a Miata on as you head into the hills.
It's possible for most of the time, but we really recommend a good set of winter tires if you plan on driving it through the really cold or snowy days!
Snow tires are must. If you don't carry a passenger carry a trunk shovel in your passenger seat, just in case if road is not plowed.
Should not have a problem replacing hard lines correct.
Check the instructions on our website, or give our customer support team a call with specific questions, they should be able to walk you through the basics. :)
factory fittings suck in air....but not leak...
Factory fittings definitely should not be sucking in air. I'd toss on some oil resistant thread paste on the threads of your bleeders and give it another try.
@@FlyinMiataVideo I've got a bad pressure plate installation and no 1 believes it but I think the vibration of the clutch fork is sucking in air Been going on for a long time I've tried everything... And now the clutch is burned up
@@bethalpha That's an odd one. Feel free to send our customer service folks an email at support@flyinmiata.com for troubleshooting help.
Tooppp
Today, we should be referring to the two hydraulic cylinders in the system as "primary" and "secondary". Time to leave the old terminology behind.
It's possible for a word to have more than one meaning, and to avoid confusion when trying to communicate we use well established industry standard terminology. Technical terms don't contain value judgements.
No, it is not snowflake. We are talking about cars here, not history.
*Definitely will not and stop playing definition games you poor, offended little child. Please show us on the doll where those big, bad words hurt you. You won't because you can't. Reality's tough. Cheers!*
There's a big difference in secondary and "does not work without the other one"