@@pandabear1576prime Dwight howard could touch the top of the backboard his athleticism is way crazier than AD’s. Jokic isn’t clearing dwight at all especially with how much stronger dwight is.
@@pandabear1576and dwight gave him so much problems in 2020 what makes u think Jokic became 100x better to the point prime dwight won’t give him problems?
Jokic playing in league of a handful of good elite men. It’s not fair because whose to say what Dwight would’ve did in a league where he may play 5 7ft a year
Howard was in the eastern conference when there were basically no elite big men. When he finally came up against some in 09 (his best playoff run) during the finals he got his ass shut down and destroyed by Gasol and Bynum.
The thing that nobody is bringing up is that Dwight would be guarding a playmaker, Jokic half the time would just be setting up teammates for easy looks in the paint after bringing Dwight back to the perimeter. Jokic would probably end the game with 18 but also give out like 14 assists or sum and thats why Jokic is just better
In a series, this version jokic would torture Dwight. Soon as dwight thinks he's staying on the perimeter jokic would kill hi. with head fakes and up and unders. If dwight recovers, no look to an open shooter.
I hate that people are just bringing up the AD matchup for Jokic, he ran through Gobert who is still an all time level defender, bam who is one of the best and most versatile in the league, and even Ayton was supposed to be one of the centers who defended him best in the past. All BBQ chicken for him getting 40 bombed.
@@caponeda1goat322 no you don’t watch the game, most of Gobert’s playoff “exposure” was due to him being surrounded by suspect perimeter defenders who couldn’t rotate properly. He was often left having to close out or guard smaller guards, and 99% of great defensive bigs are getting cooked on the perimeter. Players like AD are exceptions, not the standard. Dwight would get cooked the same way Gobert did Vs the Clips in todays nba if his teammates were playing like that.
it was mostly pau, and he had the benefit of good help defense from.... odom i think? But even so Pau held his own when it was just him in 1v1 situations despite a large size difference, and on both ends. Pau outplayed Dwight most of the series, it was not close.
This shit is crazy, this man Jokic getting not only disrespected by the mainstream media, but even "NBA intellectual", this is just comical at this point😅
As a Bucks fan this argument becomes much clearer to me when you said this LMAO, Jokic is #1 in the league rn over Giannis and Curry and those two guys would both clear Dwight so how could Jokic be worse?
@@jonathanharvey7940because most of those that are, are doing it because they’re upset that Jokic is better than their favorite player. In no world is Dwight at his peak better than Jokic. Jokic, even in his non MVP years was still a better player than Dwight at his peak.
Jokic is only 28 but already has 2 mvps and a championship, and is a top 10 center all time. His prime has only just begun and will probably add a lot more to his résumé
@@NothingElseMattersJMlmfao. Jokic and the nuggets just beat Bron, KD, Booker, AD, and Butler. Thats arguably 4, top 10 players, and a top 15 guy in Butler. The bucks in 2021, played KD,(arguably a top 3 player), Trae Young, Jimmy Butler, CP3 and Booker, who were all outside of the top 10 lol.
You people obviously don't understand. Jokic is so intelligent that he can get used to any defense. And when it comes to Jokić's defense, everyone tries to attack him, but with a certain amount of fear, and as a result, misses occur that would not happen against ordinary players, and that is another defeat for Jokić. The brain always wins if it is physically fit. Always. Big hello from Serbia.
@@huhmf4815firstly that was pre-prime Jokic, his first MVP came after that. Secondly the Lakers bigs (Howard, Mcgee) were constantly hacking Jokic throughout that series and he got no calls and finally Jokic averaged 22, 7 and 5 on 53% shooting... I'd hardly call that shutting down lol
@@steph1610you have recent memory bias because jokic barley won a nba championship jokic is not stopping a prime defensive juggernaut in Dwight Howard
Couldn't pass well. Couldn't hold on to the ball. Lot of TOs... yelling at his teammates for mistakes he made. Just the fact he comparing himself to jokic.. he's still delusional
Dwight could have couple blocks on jokic throughout a game but he will be in foul trouble by halftime and jokic will still finish with numbers like 27/11/8 54 fg% at minimum.
As much as people say passing is Jokic’s best skill, I truly believe his dominance as a rebounder and more specifically offensive rebounder that it gets lost. His rebounding skills more than make up for whatever defensive efficiency’s he may have due to athleticism.
Its actually his scoring that is his best trait. He scores efficiently all over the court. His shooting chart is green from everywhere like a KD/Curry. He is a threat from everwhere. And Dwight would absolutely get killed in the post by Jokic these guys don’t know how good Jokic is there. He shot 60% in the post, whereas guys like Embiid, ADshot 40% this postseason. He is probably the most underrated scorer ever.
@@PaulDaTruthPierce i said postseason. Embiid shot 40% in tge playoffs. In the regular season jokic shot 65%, 54%. Read better my friend, before accusing.
Dejan Milojevic, his former coach in Serbia and now warriors assistant coach said in Serbian interview recently that Jokers physical strength is insane where most people overlook that.He said he is easily top 5 strongest players in the league
@@pandabear1576 that guy doesn't exaggerate nothing,he specifically said that's the reason Joker is able to do certain things considering him being slow compared to most players
Why ppl act like Dwight didn’t average 20 ppg or more a couple times when spacing wasn’t as big as it is now they actually ran their offensive through Dwight by giving him shooters and made it to the finals. In this era prime Dwight averages at least 23-25 ppg with this spacing.
The offense did not run through Dwight, because he did not engage in any pick'n'rolls, and just camped in the post, waiting for an entry pass, but then again, he also lacked a sincere post-game to create a shot under the basket, most of his points came from lobs and putbacks
As a team, defense is more important. However, individually, offense is way more important especially when it's on the level of Jokic. When's the last time a player won DPOY and a ring in the same year?
Everything i'm hearing for Howard, I heard about every other defensive powerhouse rn. "Not quick enough, not strong enough, D too good" same ol' same ol'.
If you compare them to what Jokic has done so far to Dwight’s entire career it’s a close argument… but comparing to the trajectory of Jokic’s career as long as he stays healthy it won’t be close
An all time great offensive player will always trump an all time great defensive one in basketball. Dwight is underrated and sometimes disrespected but Jokic is better
@@santashmyakus8516Russell played in an era where defense was much more important because of the lack of a 3 point line and much stricter rules. That was 60 years ago!! AND he won championships. No modern team has won a championship without one of the top scorers in the league.
@@VoltageMarvel What the fuck has Jokic EVER DONE that GIANNIS DID NOT DO FIRST? Plus, Giannis is WAY BETTER DEFENSIVELY THAN JOKIC WOULD EVER BE. Jokic had a squad and BEAT A BUNCH OF UNDRAFTED PLAYERS IN MIAMI TO WIN A CHIP. Are you fucking KIDDING WITH THIS ASININE QUESTION?
One on one matchup? Dwight is destroying him. But the game isn’t played one on one. Jokic takes it. Talent wise jokic is better all around. But I am tired of the disrespect on Dwight’s scoring ability.
Dwight should've stuck to pick and rolls. He was not a good post scorer but demanded post touches even when he had Nash or Harden on his team, two of the best P&R players ever
Dwight's not destroying him. I'd say he could guard jokic better than anyone besides maybe Hakeem, Duncan and Garnett, but jokic is still able to score from anywhere
For all the virgins saying Dwight ain’t never break no records… he’s the only player in league history to lead the league in 3 stat category’s and he did it twice back to back years 😂 rebounds blocks and FG% while being dominant on offense as well, not to mention 3 straight DPOYs (another nba record), youngest player in history to average a double double, most blocks in a finals game ever… should I go on?
If Jokic was flying past AD on the perimeter then he is 1000% blowing by Dwight too Plus the Dwight v Jokic in 2020 is not valid because Jokic wasn’t even close to the same player that he is today. That was before any of his MVP caliber seasons. And I’m saying this all as a laker fan
@@PaulDaTruthPierce did you read what I said lol I said it’s not valid cuz Jokic has grown as a volume scorer and really just an all around player. He’s literally the consensus best player in the world. I’m 2020 he probably wasn’t top 10. If he was he was fringe
I think y’all over factoring athleticism Jokic uses his body and knows how too eliminate space against quicker dudes. He has both hands Dwight is a good defender but u not stopping Jokic constantly without help defense
People REALLY need to be realistic about Howard. The persona, the smile and the athletic look he had really making people overrate him. Reality is, he was playing in an era where few true centers were left, the game was moving to a perimeter game, he had a TON of spacing and the rules favored offense. He was a 18-20 ppg scorer most years, which is nothing special considering era and conference. His defense was special, for sure. But he was extremely limited offensively and was a complete liability from the line. People seriously act like this guy was Shaq 2.0 lmao, or Robinson or Ewing or some shit. He wax no where near those guys offensively. When in REALITY he was somewhere between Mutumbo and Alonzo Mourning at his peak. Defense first centers who could score a little but not carry an offense night in and night out.
This isn’t 1v1. It’s 5v5. One was known to be a defensive menace who could bully his way down low. Limited offensive game tho. Like a baby Shaq. Jokic gets the edge when it comes to an actual game. Best passing big of all time. Smart. Doesn’t force the shot. Sets guys up. Who would you rather have on your team? One shrinks the floor. One expands it. The advantage Dwight has on defense isn’t as wide as the offense but it’s close enough to be an actual argument Bc I’m not gonna disrespect Dwight like that.
Depends on the era.. in todays league prime Dwight or any competent center would destroy everyone. You go back to when they were actually skilled centers not just set a screen and pop out jokic doesn't handle Z-Bo, Garnett, stoudamire like he does todays Bigs cause they only big in size not game
@@delonniejohnson1165that’s is a damn lie not everybody is just a shoot first big Jokic can play playmake and handle the right bam is a versatile big on of the few big men that guard one through 5 with sabonis u run a offense through him with his playmaking and one the best offensive rebounders in today game draymond he playmaking skills and can also guard one through 5
Howard was a great rim protector but he’d have a tough time guarding jokic. He looked great because realistically the center position was real weak when he was in his prime
@@ikulya1efinitely not... yeah in "todays" NBA he may be better cause the game has changed but take jokic to 2000-2010 and Duncan, KG, stoudamire, Dwight, and even Z-Bo would win the matchup. The Big man positions isn't what it used to be. Shidddd even Bynum at his best would give him problems and that's no disrespect to Jokic but his competition ain't shit
@@juanbecerra2652 I said the bubble. Aaron Gordon was the X factor in my eyes. Which he wasn’t on the 20 nuggets. And ad played pf last time he played jokic since la had Dwight and Javel at center to guard jokic
I hate when basketball fans say “he led his team to a championship”. That shi only matters when talking about legacy or a goat debate of how u won something. That shi don’t matter when talking about who is a better basketball player.
I might pick Dwight after everything I heard. That dude was a freak, too athletic, strong, and powerful. Dwight gave Jokic in the 2020 playoffs, out of his primes, and on limited minutes. Imagine Dwight in his prime on Dwight, it gets fuckin UGLY
@@hctterrellhow is he gonna score on him?😂 Dude's a terrible post player. You guys remember these players with rose tinted glasses. You need to rewatch some games and highlights to see how Dwight actually played. Dwight had NO POST GAME. Absolute ZERO bag in the post. He got his points as the roller on pick n rolls and lobs.
So yaw really think Dwight shut down joking by himself ? Stop just listening to stuff you hear. Jokic isn’t being stopped by one player STOP IT. Jokić doesn’t score off of his athleticism. He has as many moves encounters as any big man has had since Hakeem just because Dwight is athletic. Does it mean that he can guard him? The game is completely different now and if it was so easy to guard this dude, just being athletic why can’t nobody in the league guard him? Y’all bring up one playoff run like that wasn’t three years ago LOL Like since then he doesn’t have two MVPs and a final MVP 😂 it’s always an excuse for guys like him because he doesn’t play the way fans want him to play. Anthony Davis is one of the greatest big man defenders in the history of this game. He killed him. Anthony Davis is a better perimeter defender, than Dwight ever was. But we find ways to minimize what he did like we do with all the greats.
What ever you put against the JOKER, he will find a solution because he predicts moves and has great chemistry with his teammates. Dwight would look like a fool. Brains over muscle baby!
In a matchup Jokic would embarrass Dwight. Dwight's limits as an offensive player are far more glaring than Jokic's on defense. In a 1v1 matchup Jokic has a far better chance of stopping Dwight than Dwight has stopping Jokic. Jokic is actually a pretty good post defender and Dwight isn't a good post player. The only way for Dwight to get going would be as the roll man which could definitely get him 15-20 but I don't think it would be enough to beat Jokic.
Do ppl not understand basketball, Dwight was fast as hell and would take off on slow Jokic for east transition buckets, constantly doing pick and roll and attacking the rim. Jokic would get tired trying to guard Dwight
It isn't that difficult. Howard has no perimeter game offensively or defensively. That alone will have him in a choke hold. Also Jokic isn't a body Howard will be able to easily back down, Jokic however never has that problem since his physical transformation. His perimeter game is also miles ahead. Howard will still probably hold him to a very low FG%.
Jokic would expose Dwight defense not with his scoring but with his passing. He’ll pull Dwight to the Ft line leaving open lanes to the rim, leaving it unprotected. If Dwight sags off to rim protect jokic will have an easy middy and if he stays on jokic. Jokic will just dime a cutter.
A 34 yr old Dwight gave 24 jokic a tough time imagine what prime Dwight who was touching the top of the backboard could do to jokic!!!! we know Dwight was a monster on defense and his offensive game was very overlooked. Dwight could guard jokic but jokic couldn’t guard dwight. Dwight offensive game is much better than jokic defensive game
They play different gams and only time will tell which is the best game, but as a kid loving Chamberlain, Russell, Willis Reed and Jabbar epic battles that were just beautiful - even I must admit that Jokic might have given them a problem.
He didn't "handle" jokic he was a big body to detour Jokic a little. The Lakers overall had a lot of size that year, they were actually able to put someone with enough mobility and or size (dwight and javale) so AD was able to be the last line (which he's the best in the league at)
Jokic has gotten a hell of a lot better since the bubble tho. It's actually crazy how much he progressed in 3 years considering he was already good in the bubble.
@@j_quan2594prime Dwight is better than anyone they had on the 2020 lakers so he wouldn't need the help. Jokic not beating him off a first step and he not dominating out the post.
Evidence lol. You have nothing. Dwight wasn’t starting in that series. He was just there to foul out if need be and give AD a rest. Today’s Jokic smokes Dwight.
Jokic was destroying Embiid until they switched Tucker on to him and Embiid play help defense. You mofos just get your opinions from ESPN man embarassing. And neither of those bums won a ring as the no.1 so stop mentioning them in the same breath as Jok.
But what about Jokic getting in foul trouble when he has to come down on the other end and defend so if he gets into foul trouble he’s not as effective or efficient because he’s possibly not on the court
Dwight played a hand in limiting Jokic during the year the Lakers won it all with Lebron and that was a Dwight beyond his prime. Y'all tripping if you think Jokic would beat Dwight 1v1 in his prime.
this convo shows how racist people are deep down lol. even if they claim they are not biased against white people they still are. yall pickin dwight who has never broken any record, never won on his own, never won an mvp over a dude who should have had 3 MVPS, got a ring and is literally breaking every center records in the history of the game. LMFAOOO
huh dwight is the only player in the history of the nba to have won dpoy 3 years in a row which is a record BTW bare in mind he wasn't facing weak comp for the award bro was facing prime defensive bron who was a help side nightmare and still good 1v1, tim duncan , tyson chandler + other guys like andrew bogut and tail end prime kg
@@bainesontoastz1 bro this man talkin about tyson chandler LOOOOL. you guys are just pure racists i know it. if you put jokic numbers and mvps and all hes ever done but made him black and called him shaq you would never make an argument for dwight over him... oh wait..... lets see if you catch the irony.
Bro the “McGee and Howard give problems to jokic” it’s crazy… before this playoff they were saying ad was cooking him. Jokic simply wasn’t in his prime and wasn’t as good. On top oh that jokic was guarding Ad on one side and Dwight and McGee foul him to the other side with refs help.
It’s really night & Day in terms of what Joker does well and what Dwight does well. Joker clears Dwight offensively and Dwight clears Joker defensively. Prime Dwight was a monster athletically and an elite defender. Joker is unicorn on the offensive end. Dwight would be better equip In guarding Joker in the post, if he tries to guard in the perimeter, he will be playing right into his hands, because of Joker’s playing making ability. Once the rim protection is gone, others players can cut to the basket, pick and roll scenarios come into play, second chance points opportunities are now at play. Dwight being the post, keeps the anchor of the defense honest, and could turn that nuggets team into just a jump shooting team.
As an Orlando Magic fan... I'm taking Joker. I'm also taking Joker over Shaq. My team already had Dwight and Shaq in their primes and still have 0 rings.
There was no answer to jokic in any team matching denver in this year's playoffs or in the previous. Jokic just had limited help in the previous playoff.
I am a rare magic fan. I was there in 2009. This shouldn’t even be a conversation. It’s no competition Joker is better. The conversation itself is as disrespectful to Dwight as it is to Joker imo.
I think we disregarding the match up factor. Dwight has bricks in his back pocket compared to ad. Now I believe AD is the better defender but prime Dwight is a better matchup for jokic
I feel like they are underrating Dwight’s offense like he wasn’t as effective as he was, like he wasn’t dropping 20ppg on 60 percent shooting. Jokic is every bit as efficient and miles ahead in versatility but Dwight was good at what he did which makes him effective. If it were a team matchup I think Jokic is so good offensively he gives Dwight nightmares. Jokic doesn’t necessarily wanna go out and give you 40, he wants to get his team mates involved and with Jokic’s skill set, he pulls the help.
60% fg is bad considering he could only dunk. Jokic has better efficiency and is scoring from all over the floor including step back threes and tough fade aways. Howard can' t shoot from 6 feet from the rim. lets be a little bit objective and serious here. If anything is underrated it is Jokic's defense. in his postseason when he guarded his opponents shoot 39%. thats elite.
Dwight and “shooting” don’t belong in the same sentence. He had ZERO post ability behind dunking and an occasional jump hook. And he was dogshit from the line. Historically bad. Killed his teams late.
@@dapper892 Historically bigs are terrible from the line. And being objective, one should care less about how someone gets their points and more about how effective they are at doing so. Dwight Howard was very effective and efficient at what he did.
@@mperdueii2 just stop dude. Lol. Hakeem, Kareem, Robinson, and Ewing all were over 70%. Yao Ming shot 83%. Don’t act like it’s a given you have to be dogshit if you’re big. Yea, shaq and wilt were bad, but Dwight ain’t Shaq and wilt 😂😂😂. Far from it lol. Guys who can pour in 30+ a night you can live a little more with being bad from the line. Most years Howard was around 18-20 ppg. “One should care less about how they get their points”. Ridiculous. Free throws matter. It gives your opponent a tactical advantage late in games. Why do you think hack-a-Shaq was invented???? Why do teams try and foul the worst free throw shooter? Cmon. You ever play ball? Free throws have sunk teams so many times.
And no. Dwight isnt smacking it into the 3rd row. Its like you havent watched a Nuggets game or Jokic play outside of highlights and box scores. He changes angles. Dwight cant overcome physics. He could only guard Jokic in the bubble with massive fouls and the Lakers used those fouls for everything they were worth. Dwight Howard would get pumpfaked all over the place leaving Jokic to open layups all day everyday. Jokic would kill him in the post. MURDER him.
Prime Dwight went from forgotten to overrated in just the past year. Dwight was a great defender and a great player, but wtf are we talking about? There are levels to this and Jokic is very very clearly better than Dwight ever was. More impactful to winning overall. Its really not close. Jokic is going to retire a top 12 player all time, Dwight is....barely top 75. Levels of greatness.
I don't agree with ticket. Jokic can score on the outside but he only score on the outside like 2-3 times a game. He shoot like 1.5 threes a game the rest he shooting floaters and hooks lol. Ticket give Jokic to mush credit acting like he Dirk from the outside
Prime Dwight was awesome. Snubbed from top 75. But I got Jokic overall.
@JonCom3dy yall are buas old man Dwight Howard gave jokic the business prime Dwight Howard is putting jokic on a poster
@@malikwilson7387Jokic is currently at his peak and he’s smoking Dwight. AD is as good defensively as peak Dwight and AD got spanked
@@pandabear1576prime Dwight howard could touch the top of the backboard his athleticism is way crazier than AD’s. Jokic isn’t clearing dwight at all especially with how much stronger dwight is.
@@pandabear1576and dwight gave him so much problems in 2020 what makes u think Jokic became 100x better to the point prime dwight won’t give him problems?
@bigshadiie4623 AD AND Dwight depended Joker before he was what we know him today I swear yall purposely rewrite history to your liking😂
The fact that is even debated is disrespectful for Jokic..
Jokic playing in league of a handful of good elite men. It’s not fair because whose to say what Dwight would’ve did in a league where he may play 5 7ft a year
@@1990POELiterally every team in the league has a 6'11+ Center
Howard was in the eastern conference when there were basically no elite big men. When he finally came up against some in 09 (his best playoff run) during the finals he got his ass shut down and destroyed by Gasol and Bynum.
@@gabrielnieves9974 Warriors start 6’9 looney and 6’6 Draymond as their two starting bigs lol
@@harlowsafford5959 Jokic got clamped by Dwight in the bubble lol
"Jokic can't cook Dwight on offense coz he slow and unathletic"
*Meanwhile Pau Gasol cooked Dwight in the 09 Finals*
Also, Yao Ming destroys him every time. At least Duncan and Pau could held their own against Yao. Dwight never could
He literally guarded Jokic on the lakers to a ring in the bubble.
@@DaDon357he guarded him less than two other centers
@@DaDon357 with ad as weakside help seems pretty important
@@DaDon357 he guarded him with AD and Javale for 15 minutes and averaged 5.3 fouls per game, and 13 fouls per 36 minutes. Stop the false narrative
The thing that nobody is bringing up is that Dwight would be guarding a playmaker, Jokic half the time would just be setting up teammates for easy looks in the paint after bringing Dwight back to the perimeter. Jokic would probably end the game with 18 but also give out like 14 assists or sum and thats why Jokic is just better
Joker scoring 18 on dwight? what? The guy faced the best 3 defensive bigs and scored 30 on em everytime.
In a series, this version jokic would torture Dwight. Soon as dwight thinks he's staying on the perimeter jokic would kill hi. with head fakes and up and unders. If dwight recovers, no look to an open shooter.
Dwight shut down Jokic in the bubble and sent his ass home
@@eloyzamora4461Dwight is an all time great defender Jokic that’s why he shut down Jokic in the playoff already
@@outtabad Really the stats don't say that
I hate that people are just bringing up the AD matchup for Jokic, he ran through Gobert who is still an all time level defender, bam who is one of the best and most versatile in the league, and even Ayton was supposed to be one of the centers who defended him best in the past. All BBQ chicken for him getting 40 bombed.
AD is also an all time defender
Yall basketball ball knowledge is dirt watch the clips n stat definitely rudy ain’t near the defensive player dwight was
@@caponeda1goat322 no you don’t watch the game, most of Gobert’s playoff “exposure” was due to him being surrounded by suspect perimeter defenders who couldn’t rotate properly. He was often left having to close out or guard smaller guards, and 99% of great defensive bigs are getting cooked on the perimeter. Players like AD are exceptions, not the standard. Dwight would get cooked the same way Gobert did Vs the Clips in todays nba if his teammates were playing like that.
@@x0x0skiller2 go on with your paragraph i ain’t going back n forth wit u u definitely 14
@@caponeda1goat322Rudy is better boy
We gonna pretend like Gasol and Bynum didn't take turns shitting on Howard? Howard averaged 15ppg in the Finals. He was rendered useless.
Dwight was doubled in that series add in the fact they were a young n lakers were way more experienced so stop it
You can say the Lakers did the same thing in 2020 but who did Dwight guard on the perimeter
Pau gasol is a hall of famer and that very next year bynum was all nba. That's abt as good as it gets for a frontcourt
it was mostly pau, and he had the benefit of good help defense from.... odom i think? But even so Pau held his own when it was just him in 1v1 situations despite a large size difference, and on both ends. Pau outplayed Dwight most of the series, it was not close.
That’s the problem. He had to gaurd two 7 footers. Tf.😂😂😂
This shit is crazy, this man Jokic getting not only disrespected by the mainstream media, but even "NBA intellectual", this is just comical at this point😅
while he is breaking every record in the book and collecting every accolade out there :D
Jokic clears he is the best player in The league Dwight never have been
As a Bucks fan this argument becomes much clearer to me when you said this LMAO, Jokic is #1 in the league rn over Giannis and Curry and those two guys would both clear Dwight so how could Jokic be worse?
@@9ad263 idk people are gawking Dwight
@@9ad263Dwight was a top 3 player in a league with Kobe Bron Wade KD all in their prime??? Y’all don’t no ball for sht yo 😂😂
@@jonathanharvey7940 Why didn’t Jokic bully Dwight in the bubble ?
@@jonathanharvey7940because most of those that are, are doing it because they’re upset that Jokic is better than their favorite player.
In no world is Dwight at his peak better than Jokic. Jokic, even in his non MVP years was still a better player than Dwight at his peak.
Jokic is only 28 but already has 2 mvps and a championship, and is a top 10 center all time. His prime has only just begun and will probably add a lot more to his résumé
Let’s be honest , the Nuggets got lucky and played no comp just like the Bucks in 2021
@@NothingElseMattersJM you know ball. The most overrated finals run ever.
@@NothingElseMattersJMlmfao.
Jokic and the nuggets just beat Bron, KD, Booker, AD, and Butler. Thats arguably 4, top 10 players, and a top 15 guy in Butler.
The bucks in 2021, played KD,(arguably a top 3 player), Trae Young, Jimmy Butler, CP3 and Booker, who were all outside of the top 10 lol.
@@Mari-hp2qsI’m telling you
@@Mari-hp2qsI’m telling you
You people obviously don't understand. Jokic is so intelligent that he can get used to any defense. And when it comes to Jokić's defense, everyone tries to attack him, but with a certain amount of fear, and as a result, misses occur that would not happen against ordinary players, and that is another defeat for Jokić. The brain always wins if it is physically fit. Always. Big hello from Serbia.
Bro you forget the bubble he lock his ass up because his defense is was better at the time. An both in their prime Dwight crushing him.
Dwight was like 36 bullying that man lol imagine him in his prime? Dwight would've gave him all kinds of fits
@@huhmf4815firstly that was pre-prime Jokic, his first MVP came after that. Secondly the Lakers bigs (Howard, Mcgee) were constantly hacking Jokic throughout that series and he got no calls and finally Jokic averaged 22, 7 and 5 on 53% shooting... I'd hardly call that shutting down lol
@@huhmf4815 I don't know if we watched the same games. But the Lakers had 3 men taking turns on Jokic until he got tired. Davis, Dwight. McGee
@@steph1610you have recent memory bias because jokic barley won a nba championship jokic is not stopping a prime defensive juggernaut in Dwight Howard
Idk why people forget prime Dwight, the impact he had on the court is like no other
No one forgot he just isn’t on jokers level I’m a embiid fan but Jokic is a goat 💯
Couldn't pass well. Couldn't hold on to the ball. Lot of TOs... yelling at his teammates for mistakes he made. Just the fact he comparing himself to jokic.. he's still delusional
He was a liability offensively
Dwight could have couple blocks on jokic throughout a game but he will be in foul trouble by halftime and jokic will still finish with numbers like 27/11/8 54 fg% at minimum.
@@redoe2782 so jokic wouldn’t be in foul trouble trying to guard Dwight ?
As much as people say passing is Jokic’s best skill, I truly believe his dominance as a rebounder and more specifically offensive rebounder that it gets lost. His rebounding skills more than make up for whatever defensive efficiency’s he may have due to athleticism.
Its actually his scoring that is his best trait. He scores efficiently all over the court. His shooting chart is green from everywhere like a KD/Curry. He is a threat from everwhere. And Dwight would absolutely get killed in the post by Jokic these guys don’t know how good Jokic is there. He shot 60% in the post, whereas guys like Embiid, ADshot 40% this postseason. He is probably the most underrated scorer ever.
You talking about the uncontested defensive rebounds he grabs ? Lol
@@rachhk6660 Jokic shot 44% FG in situations when guarded by Dwight in the bubble lol.
@@rachhk6660 Why you lying ? Embiid shot 53.8% in the post this year and drew way more free throws than jokic
@@PaulDaTruthPierce i said postseason. Embiid shot 40% in tge playoffs. In the regular season jokic shot 65%, 54%. Read better my friend, before accusing.
Dejan Milojevic, his former coach in Serbia and now warriors assistant coach said in Serbian interview recently that Jokers physical strength is insane where most people overlook that.He said he is easily top 5 strongest players in the league
That’s an exaggeration but I’m sure he is strong he’s a 290lb 7’0 tall elite athlete
@@pandabear1576 that guy doesn't exaggerate nothing,he specifically said that's the reason Joker is able to do certain things considering him being slow compared to most players
One of them was good enough to lead their team to at least 1 championship so far, the other wasn't. That's all that matters
I can’t believe these guys. It is Jokic. That’s the only answer.
Congratulations on 100k well deserved
Facts. Better than espn. Especially now.
Y’all have good content I’m gonna start watching love talking basketball.
Why ppl act like Dwight didn’t average 20 ppg or more a couple times when spacing wasn’t as big as it is now they actually ran their offensive through Dwight by giving him shooters and made it to the finals. In this era prime Dwight averages at least 23-25 ppg with this spacing.
The offense did not run through Dwight, because he did not engage in any pick'n'rolls, and just camped in the post, waiting for an entry pass, but then again, he also lacked a sincere post-game to create a shot under the basket, most of his points came from lobs and putbacks
@@srdjanpajic2404he didn't do pnr? Crazy
I got Jokic. This debate pretty much confirms that offense is more important than defense.
Actually no Defense wins championships
@@airfrance4365exactly he clearly didn’t see that dead body 😂
As a team, defense is more important. However, individually, offense is way more important especially when it's on the level of Jokic. When's the last time a player won DPOY and a ring in the same year?
Everything i'm hearing for Howard, I heard about every other defensive powerhouse rn.
"Not quick enough, not strong enough, D too good" same ol' same ol'.
If you compare them to what Jokic has done so far to Dwight’s entire career it’s a close argument… but comparing to the trajectory of Jokic’s career as long as he stays healthy it won’t be close
An all time great offensive player will always trump an all time great defensive one in basketball. Dwight is underrated and sometimes disrespected but Jokic is better
Bill Russell was a defender. You have always 5 guyes that can shoot and only one to protect the paint.
@@santashmyakus8516Russell played in an era where defense was much more important because of the lack of a 3 point line and much stricter rules. That was 60 years ago!! AND he won championships. No modern team has won a championship without one of the top scorers in the league.
One of the few times ticket was thoroughly correct, while also beinging up poignant points and not acting like a full on crackhead
He wasn’t correct. Jokic is OVERRATED.
@@kingofpendragon lol in what sense is he overrated? I've never heard that narrative ever lol
@@VoltageMarvel
What the fuck has Jokic EVER DONE that GIANNIS DID NOT DO FIRST? Plus, Giannis is WAY BETTER DEFENSIVELY THAN JOKIC WOULD EVER BE. Jokic had a squad and BEAT A BUNCH OF UNDRAFTED PLAYERS IN MIAMI TO WIN A CHIP. Are you fucking KIDDING WITH THIS ASININE QUESTION?
One on one matchup? Dwight is destroying him. But the game isn’t played one on one. Jokic takes it. Talent wise jokic is better all around. But I am tired of the disrespect on Dwight’s scoring ability.
Haha how is Dwight scoring
Dwight was an awful scorer. All he did was dunk
Dwight should've stuck to pick and rolls. He was not a good post scorer but demanded post touches even when he had Nash or Harden on his team, two of the best P&R players ever
Dwight's not destroying him. I'd say he could guard jokic better than anyone besides maybe Hakeem, Duncan and Garnett, but jokic is still able to score from anywhere
You mean Joker is droping 30 on him and 15 assists lol
For all the virgins saying Dwight ain’t never break no records… he’s the only player in league history to lead the league in 3 stat category’s and he did it twice back to back years 😂 rebounds blocks and FG% while being dominant on offense as well, not to mention 3 straight DPOYs (another nba record), youngest player in history to average a double double, most blocks in a finals game ever… should I go on?
If Jokic was flying past AD on the perimeter then he is 1000% blowing by Dwight too
Plus the Dwight v Jokic in 2020 is not valid because Jokic wasn’t even close to the same player that he is today. That was before any of his MVP caliber seasons. And I’m saying this all as a laker fan
You wanna forget about that 2020 WCF don’t you ? lol
@@PaulDaTruthPierce Exactly that was a washed up dwight with restricted minutes lmao im not buyin into that bs.
@@PaulDaTruthPiercehe scored on Dwight often
@@PaulDaTruthPierce did you read what I said lol I said it’s not valid cuz Jokic has grown as a volume scorer and really just an all around player. He’s literally the consensus best player in the world. I’m 2020 he probably wasn’t top 10. If he was he was fringe
I think y’all over factoring athleticism Jokic uses his body and knows how too eliminate space against quicker dudes. He has both hands Dwight is a good defender but u not stopping Jokic constantly without help defense
People REALLY need to be realistic about Howard. The persona, the smile and the athletic look he had really making people overrate him.
Reality is, he was playing in an era where few true centers were left, the game was moving to a perimeter game, he had a TON of spacing and the rules favored offense.
He was a 18-20 ppg scorer most years, which is nothing special considering era and conference. His defense was special, for sure. But he was extremely limited offensively and was a complete liability from the line.
People seriously act like this guy was Shaq 2.0 lmao, or Robinson or Ewing or some shit. He wax no where near those guys offensively. When in REALITY he was somewhere between Mutumbo and Alonzo Mourning at his peak. Defense first centers who could score a little but not carry an offense night in and night out.
This isn’t 1v1. It’s 5v5. One was known to be a defensive menace who could bully his way down low. Limited offensive game tho. Like a baby Shaq. Jokic gets the edge when it comes to an actual game. Best passing big of all time. Smart. Doesn’t force the shot. Sets guys up. Who would you rather have on your team? One shrinks the floor. One expands it. The advantage Dwight has on defense isn’t as wide as the offense but it’s close enough to be an actual argument Bc I’m not gonna disrespect Dwight like that.
Depends on the era.. in todays league prime Dwight or any competent center would destroy everyone. You go back to when they were actually skilled centers not just set a screen and pop out jokic doesn't handle Z-Bo, Garnett, stoudamire like he does todays Bigs cause they only big in size not game
@@delonniejohnson1165that’s is a damn lie not everybody is just a shoot first big Jokic can play playmake and handle the right bam is a versatile big on of the few big men that guard one through 5 with sabonis u run a offense through him with his playmaking and one the best offensive rebounders in today game draymond he playmaking skills and can also guard one through 5
Howard's highest average scoring was 22 ppg. Jokic's defense is also massively exaggerated in terms of how poor it is, especially this year.
Howard was a great rim protector but he’d have a tough time guarding jokic. He looked great because realistically the center position was real weak when he was in his prime
Jokic way worse defensively
and way better overall
@@ikulya1efinitely not... yeah in "todays" NBA he may be better cause the game has changed but take jokic to 2000-2010 and Duncan, KG, stoudamire, Dwight, and even Z-Bo would win the matchup. The Big man positions isn't what it used to be. Shidddd even Bynum at his best would give him problems and that's no disrespect to Jokic but his competition ain't shit
@@delonniejohnson1165okic is one of the best post scorers in NBA history. He would dominate them.
LMFAOO that chilltown thumb nail is nasty
Notice how the first thing Jermaine did was make an excuse for Dwight. Ohh he came in a time where shaq was a dominant center.
Stop lying Howrad could not defend the perimiter.
Dwight is why the lakers beat the nuggets in the bubble
No, is because Jokic and Murray are way better now.
@@juanbecerra2652 I said the bubble. Aaron Gordon was the X factor in my eyes. Which he wasn’t on the 20 nuggets. And ad played pf last time he played jokic since la had Dwight and Javel at center to guard jokic
Ppl bring up pulling Dwight out like he didn’t have elite foot speed for a big
I hate when basketball fans say “he led his team to a championship”. That shi only matters when talking about legacy or a goat debate of how u won something. That shi don’t matter when talking about who is a better basketball player.
Ticket clearly didn't watch the playoffs if he thinks Jokic was pulling up in people's faces from three on more than two occasions 😂
I might pick Dwight after everything I heard. That dude was a freak, too athletic, strong, and powerful. Dwight gave Jokic in the 2020 playoffs, out of his primes, and on limited minutes. Imagine Dwight in his prime on Dwight, it gets fuckin UGLY
Yeah facts people don’t get that, I think Jokic is great but Dwight can defend against him and score on him too
@@hctterrellhow is he gonna score on him?😂 Dude's a terrible post player. You guys remember these players with rose tinted glasses. You need to rewatch some games and highlights to see how Dwight actually played. Dwight had NO POST GAME. Absolute ZERO bag in the post. He got his points as the roller on pick n rolls and lobs.
Thank you
@@gabrielnieves9974now that is a fact but if he can at least back down and have post moves he good.
Don’t forget a much better AD helping him lol in a 1v1 setting jokic is torching him
It’s crazy because the Dwight Howard slander comes from people that doesn’t watch the game
So yaw really think Dwight shut down joking by himself ? Stop just listening to stuff you hear. Jokic isn’t being stopped by one player STOP IT. Jokić doesn’t score off of his athleticism. He has as many moves encounters as any big man has had since Hakeem just because Dwight is athletic. Does it mean that he can guard him? The game is completely different now and if it was so easy to guard this dude, just being athletic why can’t nobody in the league guard him? Y’all bring up one playoff run like that wasn’t three years ago LOL Like since then he doesn’t have two MVPs and a final MVP 😂 it’s always an excuse for guys like him because he doesn’t play the way fans want him to play. Anthony Davis is one of the greatest big man defenders in the history of this game. He killed him. Anthony Davis is a better perimeter defender, than Dwight ever was. But we find ways to minimize what he did like we do with all the greats.
Acting like Jokic wouldn't kill Howard in the post is laughable. This guy still can't get his respect.
What ever you put against the JOKER, he will find a solution because he predicts moves and has great chemistry with his teammates. Dwight would look like a fool. Brains over muscle baby!
Dwight ruined a Kobe Bryant and lebron james Finals.
good the lakers would win that and the lebron slander because he lost to kobe would be insane
thats crazy they got debating prime howard > jokic but prime kd < jokic
In a matchup Jokic would embarrass Dwight. Dwight's limits as an offensive player are far more glaring than Jokic's on defense. In a 1v1 matchup Jokic has a far better chance of stopping Dwight than Dwight has stopping Jokic. Jokic is actually a pretty good post defender and Dwight isn't a good post player. The only way for Dwight to get going would be as the roll man which could definitely get him 15-20 but I don't think it would be enough to beat Jokic.
This is a lie lakers vs nuggets in the bubble Dwight gave jokic work defensively
Jokic is a pretty good post defender against who ?
Did you forget what an old Dwight did to Jokic in the bubble ? Lol
Why didn’t Jokic embarrass Dwight in the bubble ? Lol
@@sayocho9198 lakers literally ran 2 7fters. Acting like Dwight did it by himself is insane.
Do ppl not understand basketball, Dwight was fast as hell and would take off on slow Jokic for east transition buckets, constantly doing pick and roll and attacking the rim. Jokic would get tired trying to guard Dwight
The disrespect on Dwight Howard is crazy. Dwight wasn’t no slow footed big man
Bro the DHoward disrespect needs to stop.
This question is hard honestly you're just choosing weather you want elite defense or elite offense
It isn't that difficult. Howard has no perimeter game offensively or defensively. That alone will have him in a choke hold. Also Jokic isn't a body Howard will be able to easily back down, Jokic however never has that problem since his physical transformation. His perimeter game is also miles ahead. Howard will still probably hold him to a very low FG%.
Jokic would expose Dwight defense not with his scoring but with his passing. He’ll pull Dwight to the Ft line leaving open lanes to the rim, leaving it unprotected. If Dwight sags off to rim protect jokic will have an easy middy and if he stays on jokic. Jokic will just dime a cutter.
He didn’t do that to old Dwight? How he gonna do that to prime Dwight? 😂😂
Jokic Getting 32 11 13 on prime Dwight
Regardless of who’s better though Dwight is a top 75 player and one of the best defensive players in NBA history 🤷♂️
Everybody know that, that wasn't the question.
A 34 yr old Dwight gave 24 jokic a tough time imagine what prime Dwight who was touching the top of the backboard could do to jokic!!!! we know Dwight was a monster on defense and his offensive game was very overlooked.
Dwight could guard jokic but jokic couldn’t guard dwight.
Dwight offensive game is much better than jokic defensive game
They play different gams and only time will tell which is the best game, but as a kid loving Chamberlain, Russell, Willis Reed and Jabbar epic battles that were just beautiful - even I must admit that Jokic might have given them a problem.
Jokic could guard Dwight but Jokic would destroy him on offence.
We got evidence of Dwight handling Jokic in the bubble dudes act like the bubble didn’t exist
He didn't "handle" jokic he was a big body to detour Jokic a little. The Lakers overall had a lot of size that year, they were actually able to put someone with enough mobility and or size (dwight and javale) so AD was able to be the last line (which he's the best in the league at)
Jokic has gotten a hell of a lot better since the bubble tho. It's actually crazy how much he progressed in 3 years considering he was already good in the bubble.
@@j_quan2594prime Dwight is better than anyone they had on the 2020 lakers so he wouldn't need the help. Jokic not beating him off a first step and he not dominating out the post.
Evidence lol. You have nothing. Dwight wasn’t starting in that series. He was just there to foul out if need be and give AD a rest. Today’s Jokic smokes Dwight.
@@sj4632 go look it up handled
Do big ox know ad literally had one of the best defensive post seasons in maybe the last 20 years
It’s not a 7 footer checking jokic when he had to embiid destroyed him and Dwight locked him at 35 years old
Jokic was destroying Embiid until they switched Tucker on to him and Embiid play help defense. You mofos just get your opinions from ESPN man embarassing. And neither of those bums won a ring as the no.1 so stop mentioning them in the same breath as Jok.
But what about Jokic getting in foul trouble when he has to come down on the other end and defend so if he gets into foul trouble he’s not as effective or efficient because he’s possibly not on the court
Dwight played a hand in limiting Jokic during the year the Lakers won it all with Lebron and that was a Dwight beyond his prime. Y'all tripping if you think Jokic would beat Dwight 1v1 in his prime.
They’re smoking thinking Dwight would shut down jokic
this convo shows how racist people are deep down lol. even if they claim they are not biased against white people they still are. yall pickin dwight who has never broken any record, never won on his own, never won an mvp over a dude who should have had 3 MVPS, got a ring and is literally breaking every center records in the history of the game. LMFAOOO
huh dwight is the only player in the history of the nba to have won dpoy 3 years in a row which is a record BTW bare in mind he wasn't facing weak comp for the award bro was facing prime defensive bron who was a help side nightmare and still good 1v1, tim duncan , tyson chandler + other guys like andrew bogut and tail end prime kg
Stfu bozo Dwight played in a better era than Joker and locked him up in 2020 as a 34 year old
@@bainesontoastz1 still nowhere near as domininant in a post season, compare to jokic.
@@bainesontoastz1 bro this man talkin about tyson chandler LOOOOL. you guys are just pure racists i know it. if you put jokic numbers and mvps and all hes ever done but made him black and called him shaq you would never make an argument for dwight over him... oh wait..... lets see if you catch the irony.
false rudy tied that record beat it
Dwight was not even close to as good as a player. Silly video.
Ticket should be disallowed from all basketball chats
Didn't a old man Dwight Howard shut down a prime joker???
If you think Jokic was in his prime then, then you crazy.
@@zuggyzuggy so your telling me he wasn't if that's the car he's no where nest better then Dwight his prime was like a season or two
@@bradpitt1263 you think averaging 19 a game is prime jokic? If anything the season after was the beginning.
@@zuggyzuggy so his prime started at 28 lol
@@bradpitt1263 no it was 25 when he won his first mvp. Also your acting like jokic prime is over.
The best offense always beats the best defense imo
Really how about the undefeated patriots when they lost to the giants or when denver lost to the seahawks in those super bowls.
Y’all disrespecting Dwight Howard for no reason
I'd probably say Prime jokic cuz he has peaked as arguably the best player in the league. I don't think dwight ever was that
Why u not playing
What’s good fam.
Bro the “McGee and Howard give problems to jokic” it’s crazy… before this playoff they were saying ad was cooking him. Jokic simply wasn’t in his prime and wasn’t as good. On top oh that jokic was guarding Ad on one side and Dwight and McGee foul him to the other side with refs help.
Nikola Jokic still averaged 21.8 points, 7.2 rebounds and 5.0 assists in 5 games against the Lakers in the 2020 Western Conference Finals.
@@nebojsabozic2146 he was not bad, but the year after his game take a big jump. He wasn’t the same player is today
When Dwight played on him on the lakers won end of story
Ticket calling Low makes him look bad as a debator but ths is hilarious.
It’s really night & Day in terms of what Joker does well and what Dwight does well. Joker clears Dwight offensively and Dwight clears Joker defensively. Prime Dwight was a monster athletically and an elite defender. Joker is unicorn on the offensive end. Dwight would be better equip In guarding Joker in the post, if he tries to guard in the perimeter, he will be playing right into his hands, because of Joker’s playing making ability. Once the rim protection is gone, others players can cut to the basket, pick and roll scenarios come into play, second chance points opportunities are now at play. Dwight being the post, keeps the anchor of the defense honest, and could turn that nuggets team into just a jump shooting team.
As an Orlando Magic fan... I'm taking Joker. I'm also taking Joker over Shaq. My team already had Dwight and Shaq in their primes and still have 0 rings.
shaq > joker 🤡
shaq 3 peated in the prime the hell are you on
joker wasn't even an allstar his first 3 years in the league
@@Coldskin1 They had prime Shaq and won nothing... I'm taking prime Joker.
If Joker wants to make his way over to Orlando and help get them their first ring, I'm all for it.
There was no answer to jokic in any team matching denver in this year's playoffs or in the previous. Jokic just had limited help in the previous playoff.
2020 what happened then?
I am a rare magic fan. I was there in 2009. This shouldn’t even be a conversation. It’s no competition Joker is better. The conversation itself is as disrespectful to Dwight as it is to Joker imo.
No chance you are comparing Jokic with DH. You are watching someone from tv, watch some hilights and you scared like little BS.
I think we disregarding the match up factor. Dwight has bricks in his back pocket compared to ad. Now I believe AD is the better defender but prime Dwight is a better matchup for jokic
I feel like they are underrating Dwight’s offense like he wasn’t as effective as he was, like he wasn’t dropping 20ppg on 60 percent shooting. Jokic is every bit as efficient and miles ahead in versatility but Dwight was good at what he did which makes him effective.
If it were a team matchup I think Jokic is so good offensively he gives Dwight nightmares. Jokic doesn’t necessarily wanna go out and give you 40, he wants to get his team mates involved and with Jokic’s skill set, he pulls the help.
60% fg is bad considering he could only dunk. Jokic has better efficiency and is scoring from all over the floor including step back threes and tough fade aways. Howard can' t shoot from 6 feet from the rim. lets be a little bit objective and serious here.
If anything is underrated it is Jokic's defense. in his postseason when he guarded his opponents shoot 39%. thats elite.
@@nebojsabozic2146 under no circumstances is 60% from the field bad
Dwight and “shooting” don’t belong in the same sentence. He had ZERO post ability behind dunking and an occasional jump hook. And he was dogshit from the line. Historically bad. Killed his teams late.
@@dapper892 Historically bigs are terrible from the line. And being objective, one should care less about how someone gets their points and more about how effective they are at doing so. Dwight Howard was very effective and efficient at what he did.
@@mperdueii2 just stop dude. Lol. Hakeem, Kareem, Robinson, and Ewing all were over 70%. Yao Ming shot 83%. Don’t act like it’s a given you have to be dogshit if you’re big.
Yea, shaq and wilt were bad, but Dwight ain’t Shaq and wilt 😂😂😂. Far from it lol. Guys who can pour in 30+ a night you can live a little more with being bad from the line. Most years Howard was around 18-20 ppg.
“One should care less about how they get their points”. Ridiculous. Free throws matter. It gives your opponent a tactical advantage late in games. Why do you think hack-a-Shaq was invented???? Why do teams try and foul the worst free throw shooter? Cmon. You ever play ball? Free throws have sunk teams so many times.
Jokic’s defense is way closer to Dwight’s defense than Dwight’s offense is to Jokic’s offense. Period
And no. Dwight isnt smacking it into the 3rd row. Its like you havent watched a Nuggets game or Jokic play outside of highlights and box scores. He changes angles. Dwight cant overcome physics. He could only guard Jokic in the bubble with massive fouls and the Lakers used those fouls for everything they were worth. Dwight Howard would get pumpfaked all over the place leaving Jokic to open layups all day everyday. Jokic would kill him in the post. MURDER him.
You see what washed up Dwight did to Joke in the bubble. You can argue Jokic gotten better. So just imagine prime athletic Dwight. I’m taking Dwight
IS TICKET DEFENDING JOKIC??? MY EYES ARE DECEIVING ME 😭😭😂😂😂😂😂😂
Why are we lying about Dwight like this?
Dwight’s prime lasted 3 years this is a joke that this is a real debate
Prime Dwight went from forgotten to overrated in just the past year. Dwight was a great defender and a great player, but wtf are we talking about? There are levels to this and Jokic is very very clearly better than Dwight ever was. More impactful to winning overall. Its really not close. Jokic is going to retire a top 12 player all time, Dwight is....barely top 75. Levels of greatness.
Prime Dwight Howard on steroids is still bbq chicken for Nikola, for the simple fact that his bb iq was below average. Jokic is levels above.
I don't agree with ticket. Jokic can score on the outside but he only score on the outside like 2-3 times a game. He shoot like 1.5 threes a game the rest he shooting floaters and hooks lol. Ticket give Jokic to mush credit acting like he Dirk from the outside
Only thing prime Howard was better than Jokic is athleticism
Another point is mentality.....Dwight for all his athleticism wasn't the killer that Jokic is.....
Dwight was double teaming Jokic with AD in 2020.
this debate make no sense with all respect to Dwight
Orlando Dwight would stop Jokic... that man was an athletic freak...
Anothey Davis isn't the defender Dwight Howard was nor ben Wallace in their prime.
What does it mean if he could guard him that doesn’t make him better. Kawhi could guard peak lebron yet he’s not better
If Dwight give joker trouble in 2020 with all of these back injuries
The Orlando Magic finals team vs. the Championship Nuggets
The Nuggets smash them in 4-to 5 games.
Jokic would beat Howard in similar manner he does with Gobert or AD today...
Easily