@@Fearseblack last 10 finals mvps don't have better stats than jokic averaging 30 with 60% from 2 and 46% from three not even including insane rebs and ast numbers
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p "Stat man, Stat man yeah that's me". Since the Joker is so good and you want to compare him to other superstars who won finals MVP's. Do your research on this. Out of the last 10 finals MVP's who are superstars, name me the guys who are finals MVP winners and wasn't able to defend his title by at least getting back to the conference or NBA Finals?
@@Josiah-gk4ou 😅😂. This is the most overrated, irrelevant era of all-time. Not to mention everyone is eating in the so-called Joker era. Go sit down. You Jockstrap Sniffer. Don't ever disrespect the past eras to boost up this era that doesn't play defense!
The levels of jokic glaze from swipa you'd think he was taking care of his horses in Serbia, and this guy needs to let his people talk, got pissy at ticket for the same and becomes the new age ticket lmaooo but sending all love to the panel fr!
@@UnoDinero95001it’s glazing due to the fact that you are arguing him against someone who has him placed one or two spots lower than you have him placed. there’s no reason why this even should have been a debate
@@joshuafruth6420 Exactly, MJ didn't win his first ring until he was 27-28, most players don't get drafted to great teams like Bird and the Celtics, Duncan on the Spurs or Magic with the Lakers so the first 5-10 years don't result in rings.
Jokic in Denver is gonna beat every important record in player contribution without all star player in next 5 years, I don't think that people are aware of it.
@OFFICIALTEEK-nu1ev in no order LeBron MJ Kareem wilt Curry KD bird Dirk nowitzki kg Hakeem Shaq Oscar Robertson Tim Duncan Kobe magic Isaiah Thomas Elgin Baylor Julius erving Bill Russell Jerry West
These dudes pick and choose when to give credit to situations …. So jokic not winning is because he didn’t have anyone but he balled out individually… where is this energy for KD ?! 😂 tired of the picking and choosing
@@dewman7477 It's not Jokic's fault his front office didn't surround him with good players. His legacy shouldn't be tarnished due to other peoples' incompetence.
@@NoahLinden you can’t fault other players for having better rosters and also defence matters there’s no way Jokic is greater than Hakeem or Duncan or Kobe or Bird or even Magic. Let alone MJ and LeBron and Kareem with only 1 finals mvp. Curry has 2 mvps and 1 finals despite 4 rings (should’ve had one in 2015) and he still barely top 10 and he was one of the best offensive players ever. Come on now. Shaq also ahead too and Wilt and Bill Russell have a case due to stats or defence
@@dewman7477 I'm not faulting other players for having better rosters. I'm looking at the issue in context. You're punishing Jokic for his front office's incompetence.
Swipa, preach it brother. You're not wrong. Moses was a beast (so was Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, etc.). I saw a lot of these folks play live like Dr. J playing with the Nets at the Nassau Colosseum (when they weren't in NJ) in the early 70s. The big fella can play. He's very different from all the folks I just mentioned, but he's one of the all time greats. Needs a few more chips (Kobe, Timmy, Hakeem, etc.) to cement his legacy. I do have to say, this is a bit heated for 15 over 16 though. Team Swipa out.
Moses averaged 26 and 15 for one of the greatest playoff runs in NBA history.. And he led the rockets to one of the most improbable finals runs in history Of course Jokic is more skilled, and will pass Moses if me keeps this up for a few more years. But I can’t put him above Moses yet
@@nikolakrstic8079 I didn’t say Moses run was better than Jokic’s Moses just has multiple though with two different teams and he won just as many MVPs as Jokic
Jokic's brilliance needs to be seen in the context of being surrounded by a bad team and being screwed over by the refs. When you factor all that in, he's top 10.
I’m not a fan of ticket but I didn’t respect the fact the he didn’t let the legend slander go crazy these nba gawkers now can’t make a case for someone is better without dissing another era .
Jamal murray is the slowest player to cross half court in the entire nba that's a fact Jamal murray also doesn't handle the rock with jokic on the court unless jokic gives him the ball that's also a fact 3rd fact is that u haven't watched a single full denver nuggets game
He leads the league in passes per game. Its a bit different than usual where one player has the ball 20 seconds in a possesion. But he is absolutely what everything revolves around.
Hey I just want ya to know jokic avg more pts per game in the playoffs similar rebounds and the FG percentage isn’t even close before we even talk about the Ast
The guy with the hat, all he does is yell. Nothing in context. Even with more ppg, we understand this era scoring is extremely inflated. This needs to be discussed in context. If you're playing on a worst roster, safe to say you have a chance to put up more numbers, bbasg basically the only scoring option.
Not here to argue for either player, just giving the context. In Moses Malone’s prime (77-78 season to 88-89 season) the nba averaged 109.3 ppg on 102.99 possessions per game. In jokic’s prime (18-19 season to 23-24 season as of now) the nba averaged 112.43 ppg on 99.88 possessions per game. It’s really not much of a difference at all. Jokic’s averages over that time - 24.0 ppg 11.6 rpg 8.2 apg 1.3 spg .7 bpg 64.2 ts% 2.9% above position average Malone’s averages over that time - 24.2 ppg 13.7 rpg 1.5 apg .9 spg 1.4 bpg 57.2 ts% 2.4% above position average
1.Jokic comes back from being down 1-3 to win against 4xdpoy rudy gobert and mitchell who tied all time record with 2 50 point games in a series Like it or not rudy gobert is 4x dpoy or jokic destroying him multiple times in the playoffs(bubble utah and 2023 wolves) should be treated with proper respect Moses malone NEVER faced the 4xdpoy caliber defender like ben wallace, mutombo or rudy gobert Jokic faced 4xdpoy 3 times in the playoffs and beat him twice 2. Jokic and exhausted nuggets comeback being down 1-3 again against favorites to win a title a clippers "superteam" who had paul george coming off an mvp level(3rd) season being regarded as 2nd best defender behind kawhi and kawhi leonard who people were calling better scorer and defender than kobe coming off a championship and finals mvp along with a team who already were a 48 win team without either of them, entire nba fanbase and nba media were screaming how clippers would easily win a championship and destroy lakers, how kawhi is a top 5 all time talent how their defenders would clamp up anybody, how nobody would be able to stop kawhi. All that until they faced jokic and murray made kawhi and paul george recreate what murray's gf did on insta, destroying clippers in game 7 3. The only team in nba history to comeback from 1-3 deficit twice in a single post season was a jokic team 4. 25 year old pre mvp jokic outplayed and outperformed defending finals mvp and top 20 all time player that was in his peak form and health and considered the best player in the world going into the playoffs 5. 2020 run alone with murray rookie mpj and 6 walmart employees is more impressive than anything moses has done outside of his championship run and the fact that swipa didnt mention it was kinda disappointing. 6.jokic was drafted to a lottery team and in his first year as a starter took said lottery team to just 1 game short of making the playoffs 2 years straight after which he never missed the playoffs even at times when 60% of his starters were injured. Moses malone on the other hand missed playoffs in his 4th year in the league and then was missing playoffs left and right(78,86,90,92,93,94,95) oh but but but he was injured but but he was old, staying healthy is part of the game and responsibility of a star player and jokic takes care of his body stays healthy and carries even g league squad to the playoffs but but but the help If jokic can take monte morris, austin rivers, caspazzo and bones hyland to the 6th seed so can any all time great star drag any number of nba players to the playoffs Give jokic last year pistons and everyone would expect jokic to in the playoffs
If jokic played in 70s 80s 90s 2000s all the old heads would be slobbering all over jokic (maybe not, some old heads that dislike jokic also happen to dislike dirk, bird and luka) but since jokic is still playing you gotta pray for his downfall like most of the nba fans and media(like when nuggets went down 0-2to wolves everyone showed their true colours or when Chill himself said that he hopes jokic never wins again) Shaq being swept 6 times and held to 20/10/2 is not a blemish of the(MOST DOMINANT EVER) but jokic with 0 all stars against 2 allstars, 4x dpoy and 6th man of the year in game 7 puts up 34/19/7 on 46% is the greatest choke job that shouldn't ever be forgotten Ur idol kobe career average in the playoffs was 44.8 and his most efficient season was in 06(49.7)
So jokic is being held to the standard that even goats(kareem lebron and mj)(nobody expected lebron to win until he formed a literal superteam) weren't held to but jokic is a choker for not winning with (Barton caspazzo rivers bones hyland and monte morris) or with(injured kcp, murray+all starless team that shoots 20% in the second half of game 7)while being treated like a top 40 player who is average on offense and the worst defender in the league
@@Creamcity414 GTFO. MPJ looks like Magic Johnson when you compare his playmaking with Moses. The guy couldnt crack 2 assists a game and was having 3x turnovers than assists. The guy shot only at the rim and couldnt shoot 50 % from the field. He is just a Andre Drummond with worse finishing and a green light, cause there was no talent in the league at the time.
Moses Malone won 3 MVPs in like 5 years 2 of them was in the same conference as Kareem and went head to head with Kareem and beat him what big jokic ever went up with head to head that is a all time great in the playoffs or finals? And jokic defense is terrible he is a big man in a non big man league offensively jokic is great top tier but overall all time he needs more to be better than Moses
Shaq with top 5 all time player 22/11/2 53% vs duncan in playoff games= the most dominant unstoppable force nba has ever seen Jokic with 0 all stars against all time great defense in game 7, 34/19/7 46%= choker
Jokic just stands out more in this era becaues he's not going against any real big men like in past eras. He's not going against Hakeem/Ewing/Robinson/Shaq/Wilt/Kareem etc, or even defensive specialist big men like Mutumbo/Mourning etc. He's great of course, but he wouldn't be having those 15/17 or 19/22 shooting nights going up against those guys. We saw when the T Wolves but a mobile big man on him in the playoffs like Naz Reid and Kat how different he looked.
He was +2 vs a DPOY and his 4man stands in the paint, its non optimal in that series, matchups matter, plus Jamal has no wiggle especially vs McDaniels and Ant, two of the 10 best on ball defenders itl, so he had no floater to access and despite that being his best shot and not being allowed to take it, despite him being the best post scorer itl and having to face an equal in height on man defence and turning into a 7ft Gobert he was +2, show me a series that any of them fuckers you listed where there ppg is above their regular season and they’re above league efficiency. You can’t outside of Shaq. In optimal series Jokic stays at +5-9 TS, none of those bigs you listed do that once again minus Shaq. Just admit he’s on a level below Shaq and Hakeem, Wilt is on that level, Ewing, DRob might not even be level below it might be 2.
you cant argue that Jokić took one of the worst teams ever to winning the championship,I get this old man glazing the old players and nobody is desputing how great Malone is its uncomperable,the only bigs that can be compared with Jokić are Shaq Wilt Kareem.Dude literally didnt have 1 all star player with him and still won,but we compare centers like Kareem who had the best pg ever and Shaq having the best sg in the league ever(maybe second after MJ)its literally uncomperable.Just put Jokić in golden state or Dallas now and they win like 5 consecutive chips for sure
Every round you win, every game you win, every good and bad performance you have adds to your legacy. Moses has thus far done more over a longer period of time. Moses mvps arent in question. 2 of Jokics are iffy. Moses dominated Kareem. A top 3 player of all time. Jokic gets bodied everytime he plays Embiid. Jokic is a great player. But he isnt greater than Moses yet. Jokic is a POOR defender. MOSES was a good one.
@@TheDominiqueBallou why did the nuggets lose last season Maybe because they couldn't guard the pick and roll with jokic PSA jokic is ranked one of the worst defenders in the league Moses and joker pretty much does the same thing on offense the separator is defense you clown casual
@@machoboys8884 magic was never a liability on defense jokic has and always will be Also I don't think like the media I include defense and offense not just offense like these new fanboys
What did Dwight do against him. Jokic still played better in that series than he did in the regular season, and shot better. In that season in the regular season he averaged under 20 points. In 2022 He gave him 38 18 6 and a 17 12 13 in under 30 minutes because they blew them out. That is the biggest myth that he stopped him, because he had 2-3 plays where he did a solid job. Every other possesion he got cooked. Its like when people said that Rodman stopped Shaq. Its just a myth.
25 year old pre mvp jokic with 0time all star jamal murray and 6 7/11 employees VS goat(2nd best of all time) lebron, 9x all star 5x all defenseAD, 2x all nba defense team alex caruso, kcp, 3x dpoy 8x all star 5x all defense dwight howard, 4x all star 2x all defense rondo, Kyle kuzma +bunch of bigs that would foul jokic on every possession but yeah good comparison
Yall gotta understand chill has the most knowledge of the game , they gotta start seeing where he coming from , doesn’t mean he’s right just well versed in eras
swipa Moses is better as of right now bro ! Jokic get one more ring or mvp or both then we can make a case !! Jokic better offensively but Moses vs him one on one I take Moses !!😮😮
Starting an argument over someone having your 16th best player over your 15th is nasty
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We needed this content 😂😂😂
Very nasty
I love it lol
I mean joker clears that man
Jokic is Swipa’s childhood hero, u can’t fight that.
He’s mine to icl 😭
Took a small market to their first championship, amazing analytics, and European? Nobody should be surprised he has shooters
Fam black people love Dirk. Jokic is cold but I don't see him being better than the other 3 MVP caliber players@@MossFauna
@@Fearseblack last 10 finals mvps don't have better stats than jokic averaging 30 with 60% from 2 and 46% from three not even including insane rebs and ast numbers
@@user-gc1wj8tt2p "Stat man, Stat man yeah that's me". Since the Joker is so good and you want to compare him to other superstars who won finals MVP's. Do your research on this. Out of the last 10 finals MVP's who are superstars, name me the guys who are finals MVP winners and wasn't able to defend his title by at least getting back to the conference or NBA Finals?
I love Chill but no way in hell is Moses better than Jokic or higher all time. Jokic is comfortably better atleast to me
They literally have comparable careers so idk how there no way in hell. It’s up for debate
moses was good during the most irrelevant period ik basketball history
@@Josiah-gk4ou 😅😂. This is the most overrated, irrelevant era of all-time. Not to mention everyone is eating in the so-called Joker era.
Go sit down. You Jockstrap Sniffer.
Don't ever disrespect the past eras to boost up this era that doesn't play defense!
@@Josiah-gk4ou the early 80s? You kidding right?
Their pretty much on the same level to me
Every argument Chill brings up is null and void. He just proves the other person more right every time.
Chill right y’all kids
@@Creamcity414 Chill delusional, yall belong in a retirement home and on your meds.
@@Creamcity414Lml he’s definitely wrong 😂😂😂
@@MikeLowrry you guys are 10
@@MikeLowrrymoses and him are on par wth
Chill the same guy who said moses and wilt are on the same level as a passer as jokic,
Dementia really getting to him
The levels of jokic glaze from swipa you'd think he was taking care of his horses in Serbia, and this guy needs to let his people talk, got pissy at ticket for the same and becomes the new age ticket lmaooo but sending all love to the panel fr!
How is thinking a 3 time mvp a 1 time fmvp is the 7th best center of all time “glazing” ?😂
It's not glazing when Jokic is that good
@@UnoDinero95001it’s glazing due to the fact that you are arguing him against someone who has him placed one or two spots lower than you have him placed. there’s no reason why this even should have been a debate
Well people constantly always place Kareem under Jordan so that one spot could be very easy to identify and spot
Definitely glazing
8:30 "Diet Ticket" was a hilarious superchat lmao
Top 5 Swipa Moments
Again jokic is the most offensively skilled center so far in nba history, so he’s gonna be high
Most people still don’t watch denver play so when you say something factual like that it’s shocking
@@UnoDinero95001 I’m a “youngin who don’t know ball” when I say things I think should be objectively true
Nikola jokic is my favorite nba player and I think that he's the greatest nba player today but where do rank him overall in the goat centers list?
That should not move you because the Center is supposed to be the defensive anchor of the team. 😊
@@zbt62 yeah well it moved him to 3 MVPs and a ring so idk what to tell you
Joker is 29 and has like 5+ years left, this conversation is silly, Joker will be top 5 by the time he retires.
It really is, should wait till dudes retire to start arguing "all rankings"..
@@joshuafruth6420 Exactly, MJ didn't win his first ring until he was 27-28, most players don't get drafted to great teams like Bird and the Celtics, Duncan on the Spurs or Magic with the Lakers so the first 5-10 years don't result in rings.
@@4evahodlingdoge226if the nuggets sign a top 5 guard, it’s over for the league
Bruh what all time list they making where jokic is 6 or 7 wtf lol
Seems like they’re talking about centers
They were talking about all time centers
@@aidanchung6656 makes more sense
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They are talking about centers 🤦🏽♂️😂
Someone tell swipa we got rid of ticket for a reason we don't need a Walmart brand ticket yelling and saying random stuff
Who is “we” 🤣🤣🤣
@@itsmeflacko1618 what ever happened to that dude
@@BoB.._..he left
@@ronnellrandle569 hmm I wonder why.
I disagreed with 90% of his takes but he was entertaining. Hope he good
@@stackntax1308 lmao u know what I mean collectively the fans and the panel were not rocking with it
I wish they would stop yelling over each other. That crap is annoying
This guy said Joker choked Wolves series. LOL
All Swipa do is yell over people you gotta put him on mute because when he start getting cooked he start going crazy.
Okay boomer
@@SubversiveShekelMerchantim younger than you more than likely
He’s so lame bro
Love Moses but Jokic obviously clears.
Jokic in Denver is gonna beat every important record in player contribution without all star player in next 5 years, I don't think that people are aware of it.
Jokic is the goat
This is gonna age really really well 💯
Jokic is top 15-20 of all time
Ehhh
He hasn't done enough to be top 15 top 20 all-time
@OFFICIALTEEK-nu1evjokic has a case for top 20
@@5star1z agree.. he’s in my top 15-16 already
I haven’t done a list in a while though but he’s on that level
@OFFICIALTEEK-nu1ev in no order
LeBron MJ Kareem wilt Curry KD bird Dirk nowitzki kg Hakeem Shaq Oscar Robertson Tim Duncan Kobe magic Isaiah Thomas Elgin Baylor Julius erving Bill Russell Jerry West
They both have 11 letters in their name. They also both won in year 9.
Valid
Ok
nah chill moving the goal post is the funniest shit ever 3:56
Being from Serbia, I love Swipa, but Chill is awesome, guy is old school, love it.
These dudes pick and choose when to give credit to situations …. So jokic not winning is because he didn’t have anyone but he balled out individually… where is this energy for KD ?! 😂 tired of the picking and choosing
I’ve never gotten a faster headache
Chill naming the Sixers roster put big ox to sleep 😭😭
Jokic is a top 5 all time player already! Prolly best center of all time!
Not yet. He needs another MVP to crack the top 5.
@@NoahLindenno way Jokic is entering top 5 of all time with 4 mvps but only 1 finals mvp
@@dewman7477 It's not Jokic's fault his front office didn't surround him with good players. His legacy shouldn't be tarnished due to other peoples' incompetence.
@@NoahLinden you can’t fault other players for having better rosters and also defence matters there’s no way Jokic is greater than Hakeem or Duncan or Kobe or Bird or even Magic. Let alone MJ and LeBron and Kareem with only 1 finals mvp. Curry has 2 mvps and 1 finals despite 4 rings (should’ve had one in 2015) and he still barely top 10 and he was one of the best offensive players ever. Come on now. Shaq also ahead too and Wilt and Bill Russell have a case due to stats or defence
@@dewman7477 I'm not faulting other players for having better rosters. I'm looking at the issue in context. You're punishing Jokic for his front office's incompetence.
Swipa, preach it brother. You're not wrong. Moses was a beast (so was Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Shaq, etc.). I saw a lot of these folks play live like Dr. J playing with the Nets at the Nassau Colosseum (when they weren't in NJ) in the early 70s. The big fella can play. He's very different from all the folks I just mentioned, but he's one of the all time greats. Needs a few more chips (Kobe, Timmy, Hakeem, etc.) to cement his legacy.
I do have to say, this is a bit heated for 15 over 16 though. Team Swipa out.
Swipa would have made me crashout
😂😂😂 Swipa made Chill blood pressure rise
Not from substance from talking over dude...baby ticket....
I would say top 20 Overall at the moment and top 10 among Centers with Potential to top 5 Till Endstand his career.
Moses averaged 26 and 15 for one of the greatest playoff runs in NBA history..
And he led the rockets to one of the most improbable finals runs in history
Of course Jokic is more skilled, and will pass Moses if me keeps this up for a few more years. But I can’t put him above Moses yet
He already passed Malone
@@TheDominiqueBallou I don’t agree, but I do think he ends up getting there. He needs another finals run imo
30 13 10 is better than 25 15 and it's not even close
jokic was also insanely efficient. He shot 46% from 3 for the WHOLE PLAYOFF RUN
@@nikolakrstic8079 I didn’t say Moses run was better than Jokic’s
Moses just has multiple though with two different teams and he won just as many MVPs as Jokic
@@BoB.._.. in the era with way less talent and with better team mates tho
Swipa is too funny man lmao 😭😭😭
Swipa on some BS they might need to bring ticket back fr
Swipa is ticket all over again 🤣
We need someone like ticket or swipa to check Chill from going on his rants cuz n1 else does it
We need mars vs swipa😂
All of these nuclear bombs just to swap Moses Malone and Joker from 16 to 15 is nasty work.
What happened to Chill, bro lost every time he brought up something new. Then proceeds to give up, that is crazy
Jokic's brilliance needs to be seen in the context of being surrounded by a bad team and being screwed over by the refs. When you factor all that in, he's top 10.
Swipa is the new ticket. The convos just stop when he gets going
I’m not a fan of ticket but I didn’t respect the fact the he didn’t let the legend slander go crazy these nba gawkers now can’t make a case for someone is better without dissing another era .
Jokic is not the primary ball handler this is a lie
Jamal murray is the slowest player to cross half court in the entire nba that's a fact
Jamal murray also doesn't handle the rock with jokic on the court unless jokic gives him the ball that's also a fact
3rd fact is that u haven't watched a single full denver nuggets game
He leads the league in passes per game. Its a bit different than usual where one player has the ball 20 seconds in a possesion. But he is absolutely what everything revolves around.
good stuff swipa🎉
Called him a casual😂😂
Hey I just want ya to know jokic avg more pts per game in the playoffs similar rebounds and the FG percentage isn’t even close before we even talk about the Ast
Broooo swipa will yell and talk while ur talking and then feel like he made the most valid points
The guy with the hat, all he does is yell. Nothing in context.
Even with more ppg, we understand this era scoring is extremely inflated. This needs to be discussed in context.
If you're playing on a worst roster, safe to say you have a chance to put up more numbers, bbasg basically the only scoring option.
Not here to argue for either player, just giving the context.
In Moses Malone’s prime (77-78 season to 88-89 season) the nba averaged 109.3 ppg on 102.99 possessions per game. In jokic’s prime (18-19 season to 23-24 season as of now) the nba averaged 112.43 ppg on 99.88 possessions per game. It’s really not much of a difference at all.
Jokic’s averages over that time - 24.0 ppg 11.6 rpg 8.2 apg 1.3 spg .7 bpg 64.2 ts% 2.9% above position average
Malone’s averages over that time - 24.2 ppg 13.7 rpg 1.5 apg .9 spg 1.4 bpg 57.2 ts% 2.4% above position average
1.Jokic comes back from being down 1-3 to win against 4xdpoy rudy gobert and mitchell who tied all time record with 2 50 point games in a series
Like it or not rudy gobert is 4x dpoy or jokic destroying him multiple times in the playoffs(bubble utah and 2023 wolves) should be treated with proper respect
Moses malone NEVER faced the 4xdpoy caliber defender like ben wallace, mutombo or rudy gobert
Jokic faced 4xdpoy 3 times in the playoffs and beat him twice
2. Jokic and exhausted nuggets comeback being down 1-3 again against favorites to win a title a clippers "superteam" who had paul george coming off an mvp level(3rd) season being regarded as 2nd best defender behind kawhi and kawhi leonard who people were calling better scorer and defender than kobe coming off a championship and finals mvp along with a team who already were a 48 win team without either of them, entire nba fanbase and nba media were screaming how clippers would easily win a championship and destroy lakers, how kawhi is a top 5 all time talent how their defenders would clamp up anybody, how nobody would be able to stop kawhi. All that until they faced jokic and murray made kawhi and paul george recreate what murray's gf did on insta, destroying clippers in game 7
3. The only team in nba history to comeback from 1-3 deficit twice in a single post season was a jokic team
4. 25 year old pre mvp jokic outplayed and outperformed defending finals mvp and top 20 all time player that was in his peak form and health and considered the best player in the world going into the playoffs
5. 2020 run alone with murray rookie mpj and 6 walmart employees is more impressive than anything moses has done outside of his championship run and the fact that swipa didnt mention it was kinda disappointing.
6.jokic was drafted to a lottery team and in his first year as a starter took said lottery team to just 1 game short of making the playoffs 2 years straight after which he never missed the playoffs even at times when 60% of his starters were injured.
Moses malone on the other hand missed playoffs in his
4th year in the league and then was missing playoffs left and right(78,86,90,92,93,94,95) oh but but but he was injured but but he was old, staying healthy is part of the game and responsibility of a star player and jokic takes care of his body stays healthy and carries even g league squad to the playoffs but but but the help
If jokic can take monte morris, austin rivers, caspazzo and bones hyland to the 6th seed so can any all time great star drag any number of nba players to the playoffs
Give jokic last year pistons and everyone would expect jokic to in the playoffs
If jokic played in 70s 80s 90s 2000s all the old heads would be slobbering all over jokic (maybe not, some old heads that dislike jokic also happen to dislike dirk, bird and luka) but since jokic is still playing you gotta pray for his downfall like most of the nba fans and media(like when nuggets went down 0-2to wolves everyone showed their true colours or when Chill himself said that he hopes jokic never wins again)
Shaq being swept 6 times and held to 20/10/2 is not a blemish of the(MOST DOMINANT EVER) but jokic with 0 all stars against 2 allstars, 4x dpoy and 6th man of the year in game 7 puts up 34/19/7 on 46% is the greatest choke job that shouldn't ever be forgotten
Ur idol kobe career average in the playoffs was 44.8 and his most efficient season was in 06(49.7)
So jokic is being held to the standard that even goats(kareem lebron and mj)(nobody expected lebron to win until he formed a literal superteam) weren't held to but jokic is a choker for not winning with (Barton caspazzo rivers bones hyland and monte morris) or with(injured kcp, murray+all starless team that shoots 20% in the second half of game 7)while being treated like a top 40 player who is average on offense and the worst defender in the league
I’m taking Joker over Moses any day of the week and twice on Sundays
I love Jokic but the center isn’t as good as it’s been as to when Chill is talking centers. That’s why Embiid destroys Jokic when they actually play.
Chill just be caping for the old heads and I can’t blame him for it lmfao
Is very hard to listen to a guy who hasn’t dribbled the damn ball
David Robinson is less valuable because he needed players to set him up. Doesn’t a pick set a guard up?
CHILL NO!!! WYM "YOU WIN" Don't concede on a point like that 😭😭 sounded like canibus vs dizaster "you win diz"
It’s about even. Jokic more skilled and has more of a better resume and Moses a better rebounder and scorer
Jokic hasn’t beat a 50 win team in the playoffs yet wtf are talking about
Give me memphis all day
This is an episode where ticket would’ve been useful😂
LMAO injuries on the roster limited Jokic? my balls
Swipa is a poor mans version of Ticket, can't stand the dude, turn these off when he's the center point.
Jokic is way better than Malone y’all gotta stop
Stop not way better it’s about even. Jokic slightly greater by MVPs though
@@Creamcity414 GTFO. MPJ looks like Magic Johnson when you compare his playmaking with Moses. The guy couldnt crack 2 assists a game and was having 3x turnovers than assists. The guy shot only at the rim and couldnt shoot 50 % from the field. He is just a Andre Drummond with worse finishing and a green light, cause there was no talent in the league at the time.
@@bluedot6926 boy sit yo clown SSA down you like 11 you ain’t even watch fkn iverson hoop
@@bluedot6926 who were the bigs back then ? Catching elbows and fists in the paint and still getting 31.15 stop 28.15 again clown 🤡
Chill been on one
Brodie jus not the biggest fan of jokic 😭
He is right though
I’m jokic biggest hater but me and the homies all make all time list & jok is consistently 6-8 every time
Jokic has inflated stats like others who are ball dominant and the offense is centered around
jokic isn't even ball dominant he plays off ball alot but yes the offense is around him
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Moses Malone won 3 MVPs in like 5 years 2 of them was in the same conference as Kareem and went head to head with Kareem and beat him what big jokic ever went up with head to head that is a all time great in the playoffs or finals? And jokic defense is terrible he is a big man in a non big man league offensively jokic is great top tier but overall all time he needs more to be better than Moses
Damn I actually agree with swipa
Chill these are the guys Marz included are trying to remove the older guys for the harden guys
Shaq with top 5 all time player 22/11/2 53% vs duncan in playoff games= the most dominant unstoppable force nba has ever seen
Jokic with 0 all stars against all time great defense in game 7, 34/19/7 46%= choker
@@ggrlyggrly4476 Big facts
Jokic never won a playoff series Vs a 50 win team lord above
Give me memphis all day everyday every year
He beat miami who beat two teams that were 50 plus wins. That argument is stupid
In the shorterned season 2020 he beat a Clippers team in the bubble that would’ve definitely had 50 + wins if it wasn’t for COVID
@@zacks3288 facts are facts sorry not sorry
@@zacks3288 and that run the highest seed they played was a 4 seed
Jokic just stands out more in this era becaues he's not going against any real big men like in past eras. He's not going against Hakeem/Ewing/Robinson/Shaq/Wilt/Kareem etc, or even defensive specialist big men like Mutumbo/Mourning etc. He's great of course, but he wouldn't be having those 15/17 or 19/22 shooting nights going up against those guys. We saw when the T Wolves but a mobile big man on him in the playoffs like Naz Reid and Kat how different he looked.
Jokic would cook most big men in the past, he’s too versatile, stop the nostalgia bias
Get off of nostalgia meat buddy.
@@harp1288factss
Lil baby bro thinks 90s big men can do anything else other than pack the paint
He was +2 vs a DPOY and his 4man stands in the paint, its non optimal in that series, matchups matter, plus Jamal has no wiggle especially vs McDaniels and Ant, two of the 10 best on ball defenders itl, so he had no floater to access and despite that being his best shot and not being allowed to take it, despite him being the best post scorer itl and having to face an equal in height on man defence and turning into a 7ft Gobert he was +2, show me a series that any of them fuckers you listed where there ppg is above their regular season and they’re above league efficiency. You can’t outside of Shaq. In optimal series Jokic stays at +5-9 TS, none of those bigs you listed do that once again minus Shaq. Just admit he’s on a level below Shaq and Hakeem, Wilt is on that level, Ewing, DRob might not even be level below it might be 2.
Having Jokic at 15th all time at this point in his career is insanity
How ? A lot of people say that he is top 15
No Ticket but Swiper...smfh!
Yall gotta stop pickin on this old guy, he don’t even know how to work the internet 😂
W press
Whats the difference between jokic and giannis. Their accomplishments are literally the same.
Jokic is better player he have bigger bag
@@Peca-sz6ytnot on defence at all
jokic is 15th or 16th
Swipa should speak for himself. Nuggets nation embarrassed by fools like him.
you cant argue that Jokić took one of the worst teams ever to winning the championship,I get this old man glazing the old players and nobody is desputing how great Malone is its uncomperable,the only bigs that can be compared with Jokić are Shaq Wilt Kareem.Dude literally didnt have 1 all star player with him and still won,but we compare centers like Kareem who had the best pg ever and Shaq having the best sg in the league ever(maybe second after MJ)its literally uncomperable.Just put Jokić in golden state or Dallas now and they win like 5 consecutive chips for sure
Every round you win, every game you win, every good and bad performance you have adds to your legacy. Moses has thus far done more over a longer period of time. Moses mvps arent in question. 2 of Jokics are iffy. Moses dominated Kareem. A top 3 player of all time. Jokic gets bodied everytime he plays Embiid. Jokic is a great player. But he isnt greater than Moses yet. Jokic is a POOR defender. MOSES was a good one.
None of Jok MVPS are “iffy” quit being disrespectful
@@zacks3288 2*
Dude gets no respect doing what he doing it’s not funny. Let the man talk
Purple turtle is a girl not a wearing grey jacket kids
This swipa guy doesn’t know how to debate
He won the debate easy
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Swipa cooked him
Moses is a better defender
End of the discussion
These new fanboys only looks at offense
Jokic better at EVERYTHING on offense
End of the discussion
@@TheDominiqueBallou why did the nuggets lose last season
Maybe because they couldn't guard the pick and roll with jokic PSA jokic is ranked one of the worst defenders in the league
Moses and joker pretty much does the same thing on offense the separator is defense you clown casual
@@JamesHarris-st7le tbf though Magic and Bird are comparable despite the fact one blows the other out of the water on defense
@@JamesHarris-st7leyou were right until you said Moses does everything jokic does on offense
@@machoboys8884 magic was never a liability on defense jokic has and always will be
Also I don't think like the media I include defense and offense not just offense
like these new fanboys
We dont see jokic go up against that much defense in this generation. But we did see an older dwight howard eat jokic lunch are we gonna ignore that
this was pre mvp level jokic so this is pretty irrelevant
Yea that's a bad argument my friend.
Facts!!!!
What did Dwight do against him. Jokic still played better in that series than he did in the regular season, and shot better. In that season in the regular season he averaged under 20 points. In 2022 He gave him 38 18 6 and a 17 12 13 in under 30 minutes because they blew them out. That is the biggest myth that he stopped him, because he had 2-3 plays where he did a solid job. Every other possesion he got cooked. Its like when people said that Rodman stopped Shaq. Its just a myth.
25 year old pre mvp jokic with 0time all star jamal murray and 6 7/11 employees VS
goat(2nd best of all time) lebron, 9x all star 5x all defenseAD, 2x all nba defense team alex caruso, kcp, 3x dpoy 8x all star 5x all defense dwight howard, 4x all star 2x all defense rondo, Kyle kuzma +bunch of bigs that would foul jokic on every possession but yeah good comparison
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Swipe would get pregnant by jokic if he could it’s sad
THE BRON SLANDER MUST STOP !!!!!!!
Joker played trash ass bam and butler in the finals Moses played against showtime lakers and swept them not even close
Swipa is just a light skinned version of ticket
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The same 2023 nuggets that didn't beat a single 50 win team. The same jokic that hasn't won a playoff series over a 50 win team
they beat teams in 2020 who would have 50 wins in a full length season. he beat your “goat” lebron in 2023 too, as well as punk durant
He's talking about the playoffs and Denver hasn't beaten a single 50 win team during Jokic whole career which is a crazy fact
HOW DUMB ARE YOU
Mvp is an overrated award
Yall gotta understand chill has the most knowledge of the game , they gotta start seeing where he coming from , doesn’t mean he’s right just well versed in eras
His Kobe ranking makes no sense
Swipa logic: Jokic shot 50% from 3! (context: 2/4 from 3)
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swipa Moses is better as of right now bro ! Jokic get one more ring or mvp or both then we can make a case !! Jokic better offensively but Moses vs him one on one I take Moses !!😮😮
With what team could jokic win another ring, he doesn't have any teammates that is remotely close to top 15 in the league
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