EPIDEMIUS - The New FLC Lord for Nurgle - Thrones of Decay DLC - Total War Warhammer 3
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Epidemius the Tallyman of Nurgle is the new Free Legendary Lord in the Thrones of Decay DLC, so let's talk about the lore, gameplay mechanics, start position, and special rules that will make this FLC lord a great addition to the Total War Warhammer 3 Immortal Empires campaign.
Epidemius FLC Lord - Thrones of Decay DLC - Total War Warhammer 3 
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An argument can be made that Bela’kor was an FLC Lord.
I don’t think it’s an argument, he is an FLC lord lol
couldnt think of any examples, you are correct! Belakor is dope, great addition to the game
Tbh belekor is the best chaos lord full stop out there collecting heads to add to his forces making archeon his bitch
@@guilliman1990you mean his son
Could the same be said about Boris Ursus? He technically wasn’t advertised that much and was given for free
I honestly love that Epidemius is un-nurgly in personality. He's the Tax-man, and nobody likes a taxman. Epidemius is the kinda guy where if you ask a great unclean one about him they'll go "by the grandfather that guy SUCKS. He takes all the fun out of what we do!"
It “humanizes” the demons somewhat and makes them easier to relate to. I wish we got more demon characters like that tbh
Valnir is similar in that he has a much more depressed and grim personality than the usual glee of Nurgle followers.
@@josephdoria5237 Exactly, Daemons of Nurgle weren't always they happy group they are. It was changed in 8th edition/6th or 7th ed 40k, so that they were more loveable and it's only gotten worse. I much prefer the dark and gritty or grim aspect to daemons of chaos and what got me to start playing them in WHFB.
@@kinkymustard2301 I think the Chaos God that has one of their few positive traits as stoicism should have their daemons be more cheerful and happy to be in Warhammer compared to everyone else. It also gives the Daemons more variety. Nurgle daemons and mortal followers actually being cheery is also a great contrast to how terrible their mere passive existence is for everyone else.
@@kinkymustard2301 They always were like this, Realms of Chaos: Lost and the Damned (which was 1990) talked about Great Unclean Ones were jolly, and how Nurgle Daemon armies were carnivals (which was later brought back in Mordheim with the Carnival of Chaos).
Plague drones need armour. In fantasy settings, giant insects have heavy armour. It's basically the law.
This is a great take
Hmmmm, maybe the Democracy officer needs to hear this? Someone wants bugs stronger?!
Ye but this are fat, unarmored mosquitos, they don,t have natural armor.
@@MrFartquad Wrong game, buddy...
Epidemius being so grumpy and task focused reminds me of taking adderall in high school, itd help me focus sure, but itd make me a miserable wretch to be around if u broke said focus lol
I agree with you with the realms of chaos stuff. I typed up a fairly long-winded Reddit post on how CA could even implement it without causing any undo harm to the I.E map. Anyway, I hope they do implement it because it is actually a fun place to be and I really like the challenge of it.
in terms of implementing it they've even left a pretty huge gap in the north-east corner of the world where the land just... ends... unless they actually plan on adding the Realms of Chaos at some point that corner is just going to be pointless and empty forever.
personally I always hoped that they added it as a relatively normal area (just with the Storm of Magic system for battles) with settlements and stuff habitible to the Daemons but uninhabitable (basically just tier 1 outposts) for any other race. have it linked via rifts to the northern and southern Chaos Wastes and let Chaos factions open rifts to and from the Chaos Realms in provinces with high corruption. link the Great Game mechanic of the Daemons to how the war and various corruption levels within the Realms is going (if Tzeentch is taking over bits of Khorne and Nurgle's domains he should be the one in the slot for the Great Game)
@@Eclipsed_Embers exactly, imagine if the daemons could teleport from the realms of chaos to anywhere in the world IF it has high chaos corruption--whether its of their god, or undivided.
alternatively, warriors of chaos, beastmen, and norsca could do something to open portals to the realms of chaos like you said, and those would be two way portals.
@@Eclipsed_Embers this sounds great! Ku'gath, N'kari and Kairos could actually start in the Realms of Chaos settlements instead, and special Cultist heroes could be spawned through Unholy Manifestations and used to spread corruption and open rifts etc.
When not playing as those factions, the AI can be fairly passive, but launch invasions at set times. As long as the player knew in advance, it shouldn't be too obnoxious.
Imagine he makes plaguebearers the nurgle equivalent to Grom's goblins. Just cracked undying homeboys
It would sell the nurgle idea of a slow wall just marching forth, taking no damage and eventually grinding you down, same as ghorst in that way
Would be like Ku'gath but instead of Nurglings you make plaguebearers OP ?
Could not agree more on chaos realms needing to be put in IE. I really hope they're working on this and the endgame scenarios for chaos to truly get that end of the world feeling as an option.
I still don't understand why CA though investing so much in to a separate campaign for WH3 was a good idea when they already knew from WH2 that the combined map (then Mortal Empires) was more popular than the Vortex campaign.
@@Bayonet1809Some managers thought they knew better is my guess
@@Bayonet1809 I'm pretty sure its because they knew they couldn't start TWW3 with a combined map. probably because asking people when the game released that they also needed to buy two other games just wasn't in the options. and given this in the time Covid was at its worse they still needed to have 3 come out as its own thing the same way they needed 2 and I doubt SEGA would let them essentially give 2 games out for free.
I hope they are but im worried if the map can even handle it at this point. people can barely run IEs as is. i cant imagine how much of a nightmare it would be trying to fit the Chaos Realms in especially with how effects heavy it is.
Easier to add factions into realms of chaos tbh.
Slow roman style elite infantry tactics with plaguebearers seems to me like a fun playstyle. I think that I'm going to be playing this lord a lot.
Idk if it's on tabletop (I don't see why something would have to be) but maybe a kind of plaguebearer unit with disgusting flesh shields made out of people and animals
Very very very slow... slower than dwarfs
I can see CA integrating the Realms of Chaos into Immortal Empires in one of two ways.
Either by simply expanding the world map northwards and blending them all together.
Or by including the portal mechanic into Immortal Empires as an endgame crisis where portals spawn as they do in the other campaign, strong armies spawn from them and defeating the battle in each realm prevents that god's armies from spawning next time.
If unit deaths near Epidemius is a likely feature for him in TW3 then it adds to the reason of why they changed the Army Ability basis. It avoids redundancy in playstyle theme there.
I'm guessing either a Naggaroth or Lustria start. Either to connect to his was with Malekith or to spread Nurgley goodness to Lustria
Lustria would be good for some Chaos vs Lizardmen action imo
@@LuzikArbuzik77 Also giving Skrolk a friend would be nice :D
Really wish there was room in lustria for him it's hard to go two provinces without stepping over a legendary lord there. Maybe he can take over where oxy is and he can be moved in the northern chaos wast.
Lustria already has Skrolk. Who also needs a plague buff. Would be kinda mean to the rat guy to make a nurgle plague lord start next to him.
might be a white Lion/dwarf where he's just in the capital
Guys like Epidemius and Skulltaker have always been some my favorite demon lords hope to see them all maybe with the Masque of Slaanesh soon.
Isnt the Masquerade the RoR Keeper?
@@fuchsmichael93the Masque of Slaanesh is the equivalent of Skulltaker and Epidemius, a very powerful minor daemon, she always danced for Slaanesh when he was sad, one time he thought that she was mocking him with her dancing and banished her and cursed her to never stop dancing
Man skulltaker will be fucking rad. He should be one of the best lord snipers in the game. Also he’s always been able to take a jugger mount in whfb.
@@Nubloot i really hope that in future DlCs the LL of the daemon faction is a mortal and the FLC is a daemon one, i want Arbaal and Skulltaker, the wombo combo
I would love to see the Masque as well, but I'm really hoping for Dechalla the Denied One for a Slaanesh Lord.
Chaos Realm Battle Maps should be used when an area is at 100% corruption. There's so much detail and effort put into them and it's sad to see them languish
yeah, it's particularly weird that even the actual Realms of Chaos map doesn't use them for newer campaigns. the Champions of Chaos only use those maps for their item quest battles (and those battles don't even use the Storm of Magic mechanics that regular battles in the Realms of Chaos do) and Chaos Dwarfs and Shadows of Change just ignored them entirely, I doubt Thrones of Decay will go there either. even the map where they have been placed top and centre with the entire map warped to curve around them doesn't even use them anymore and it's a huge shame because they were probably the best thing about the Soul Race.
Wasn't Be'lakor FLC?
yeah just couldnt remember thanks!
And Boris too no?
Boris is technically a launch lord@@ncmtr
I think if The Changeling gets to be a horde faction then maybe epidemius should be as well. Similar gameplay style where he has to bounce around the map spreading and then cataloguing plagues
Sounds good actually. It is literally his job to wright down EVERYTHING about plagues. It would be normal for him to run somewhere, take some notes and then vanish into the green, poison fog.
I like the idea of bringing the Realms of chaos to the immortal empires, even as some side quest. Although maybe near the end of releases do a End times map, Immortal Empires but with the deamons having to fight their way out of their own realms andspreading like a dark tide from the poles while the warriors of chaos are rising up through the realms?
Finally a Gamer LL is joining the game astride his gaming chair/shit-bucket
What i really want to see is an end game crisis for IM that utilizes the realms and the portals.
Honestly, it would be cool if there was a game mode where they added demonic settlements to each realm of chaos and that is where all the demon factions start. They can vassalize or confederate the other factions that reside in their realm, the only way you can leave the chaos realms is through cultist's/warbands that travel the world to establish gateways. But the only way to remove a gateway is if it's destroyed by a mortal faction which gives them the opportunity to invade the chaos wastes and wipe the demons out.
So good having Indy back. So good having some amazing Warhammer content to look forward to.
Epidemius did have a physical model, and in metal. so a bit more loved than alot of other lords by tabletop players
GW previews recently have heavily hinted at a new Epidemius model is probably going to be released pretty soon.
Just make it so random portals open up in the chaos wastes (or places with high corruption) every 10 or so turns. Armies can then use those portals to travel to their choice of realm, which would act as a sort of dungeon where a powerful enough army can search for unique items and battle demonic armies in exchange for traits and blessings. Then, instead of fighting a demon prince for its soul, have an exit at the end of each realm that transports you to where you left the map.
EDIT: You could even add a corruption system (similar to Realms of Chaos) where armies that overstay their welcome have increasingly harsh debuffs placed on them.
For his starting position in Lustria it kind of make sense purely because of Yuan Bo, i mean the daemon is the representation of the slow decaying administration that some hospital can have, or the other start that would be fun and logical for nurgle his in Bretonnia
Epidemius: *"I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DIE!!! I'M TOO BUSY!!!!"*
I agree that the realms of chaos battle maps are possible the best ever possible visual interpretation of the chaos lands we have. Maybe they can add an event in immortal empire where you can go into one of the realms to barter for something
I'm super excited about this DLC. I can't wait for it to drop.
the "random portal spam" from the RoC campaign should just occur at the northern and southern most fringes of the chaos wastes, and any daemonic faction that dies should respawn in their respective realm brayherd-event style and then travel through their respective portals back to the mortal realm
and have ultra-rare item rewards for clearing the various realms
Epidemius should start around Nagarythe or northern Lustria not just for lore reasons but also some variety since Ku'gath, Tamurkhan and Festus locations are focused on the Empire and Cathay
110% agree that the realms of chaos maps need to be integrated into mortal empires. Im confident there's an amazing gameplay experience thats possible with the integration and a new way of interacting with these areas.
Maybe as part of the end times dlc
Laughing my ass off man, great video! It's why you're the GOAT
I will say it once again, you are giving us the best TW content
I agree i hope the realms of chaos get implemented into IE somehow like just have portals in certain places and just have them like the teleport spots in the oceans
The realms are so fun I cant fathom why it isnt in Immortal realms
1:46 I sensing some hostility. Keep up the good work
He's honestly my personal favourite character in all of warhammer
Really? 🤨
@@kapitankapital6580why that reaction
Yes really, he is the blue scribes of nurgle, the tallyman. He catalogues and records all change in disease, all infection. If the blue scribes job seems impossible, it pales in comparison to this guy. Imagine every disease in existence and it's different impact on different people, now multiply it by any living thing and infections of magical variety which can even affect the soul.
i definitely agree about rot fly buffs, there iconic to nurgle and should be in every army but there just absolutely not worth using atm
Having a faction effect where plagues boost research rate would be very on theme. Probably like a boost up to a certain cap every time a plague spreads
That story with Epidemius and Malekith make me think of something. One of Nurgle's domains is stagnation, right? So, does that mean Malekith was being so bullheaded that the god of stagnation's Taxman throw his hands up in annoyance and change his deal?
Don’t know if I’m reading to deep in this, but hopefully with the addition of Epidemus as a FLC means that they are willing to free out the roadmap to allow for a lot more FLC’s for the chaos mono-god factions to truly flesh out and showcase what each has to offer. Nurgle has always been my personal favourite chaos faction with the most interesting characters I want to see animated in the game (and could provide interesting campaigns if given the LL treatment) such as the Glotkin, the Maggoth riders, and Gutrot Spume, but I’ve been fearing that their is just to little time to possibly ever see these guys. The mono-god factions as a whole all have bunch different unique designs and characters within their faction and I really hope this game can showcase that aspect of them rather than have them just be “the big evil monster guys”.
I don't mod a lot of games, but warhammy has some gr8 mods. Very confidant I've seen/have mods with the glotkin and gutrot if you don't want to wait.
Not the best video I could've put on while eating dinner
This was the wrong video to sit and eat my guacamole too.
Malekith: the ultimate dine and dasher at the chaos buffet.
PAPA NURGLE🔥
It never fails to baffle me that Nurgle, the faction all about diseases and poison, literally doesn't have any DoT-style poison, in a game where poison wind globadiers exists. When I read about the death's head grenades plaguebearers can throw, I thought for sure those would function just like globadiers' and deal insane aoe DoT poison damage! But no...for whatever reason the so called poison grenades are just single target sniper shots...
My wishlist for Nurgle is for someone in CA to give Nurgle more DoT attack methods and turn the death's head grenades into something more like poison wind globes.
I KNOWWW
petition to have bile trolls become flame thrower units, projectile vomiting on the battlefield with limited ammo, recovering ammo when getting kills!
I'm really hoping that in this DLC they're going to be adding counting to the tallymen during battle, it was such a disappointment that you can't hear the droning counting from plaguebeaers during fighting, i mean, they added the sled to Katarin, so it's possible right?
i dont play warhsrmmer 3, but i still watch all your vids an enjoy. Nice to see you posting again
I hope he starts in lustria. There are no legendary chaos lords down there and he can plague it up with the rat
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I know a lot of people said Bela’kor, but would Boris Ursus count as FLC?
Unless you count Be'lakor and Boris Ursus, there hasn't been any FLC lords in WH3 yet. I do think that Aekold Helbrass should have been one though.
why shouldnt you count Be'lakor?
Lustria seems good but maybe down south against Gor-rock and thorek. as there is no nurgle or anything decay like down there.
They need to link the maps to corruption and have a chance to show up and have that give god related items as a % post battle drop chance. Or just go the easy route and make them show up in chaos wastes land types so you can at least increase the battle map diversity since it’s such a warped place and could make sense for the realms to blend together.
Man, I was hoping for another Dwarf Lord or Empire Lord. Kind of disappointing, but I like Epidemius in theory.
I really dislike LH because I like my armies to be consistent. Each army has certain lords, certain units, predictable. So Markus Wolfheart is a faction I dislike. Seeing as Tamurkhan is similar I doubt I will enjoy him. But learning that Epidemus is going to be an FLC LL made me super excited. I love Nurgle and wish Festus was part of the Nurgle Faction rather than WoC but I am super excited for Epidemus. More so than Tamurkhan.
I speculated he would start in Naggaroth somewhere because there is a giant plague sized hole in that region. Same with Ulthuan but fitting anyone else there is a nightmare.
Alternatively I could see him in Cathay but that seems too close to Kugath imo.
Epidemius seems to be the last holdover from the old lore characterization of nurgle daemons, that being plaguebearers being joyless drudges. Kinda miss the symbolism of nurglings, plaguebearers, and GUOs representing people going from happy go lucky kids, to unhappy workaholic adults, to content grandparents
Easy way to insert RoC into IM: Chaos Invasion Endgame Crisis.
Don't even have to use the annoying RoC portal mechanic, just use the fixed portals that can already be opened by Chaos factions.
Come Mr. Tallyman, tally me plagues and war crimes
I’ve really felt that since launch, Nurgle’s entire roster has been WAY underwhelming. None of the units are fun to play with. I auto resolve the fight because the fights are always long, slow and boring. Most recently I went up against two stacks of zombies and skeletons with a few crypt hoots and after an hour of grinding fighting I won the battle but lost my entire army, minus the marauders which had retreated, a single beast of Nurgle and my plague drones. Nurgle is just a boring faction with no interesting combat mechanics. Which is a shame because the campaign mechanics of rolling plagues everywhere is actually fun and interesting.
My wish-list for TWWH3 in near future, at least a few of them:
- The addition of the Realms of Chaos to the Immortal Empires
- The addition of a generic mechanic to revive those legendary lords whose factions were destroyed before the player had a chance to confederate them
- Bringing the remaining legacy races to the standards of TWWH3
I am so hyped about this DLC, most of the others have been like...meh but this one...contain all 3 of my favourite factions, well except VC but hey you cant get everything in one go
Rot flies are an enigma. In lore, they’re the “upgrade” of beast of nurgle. But why is it that this game has beast of nurgle as a single entity unit and rot flies have multiple models? Also, the former is a good nurgle unit while the latter are just pitiful. Seems like they’re going backward with that one.
He certainly is far more mentioned than sealord Aislinn or Grim Burlockson where everyone acts they are this giant lore characters that need to be in Total War... Also Drycha wasn't really an FLC as you need the Wood Elf DLC for her.
In TWW history there were great FLC lords, with fun and entertaining mechanics, like Drycha, Imrik, etc
The "fun guy" bit worked extra for me as I'm both a basketball fan and specifically a Kawhi Leonard fan.
I really dont understand the hate that nurgles roster gets. Ive never had an issue using their units, the only unit i dont really use is the soul grinder but not because its bad, its just more fun to run a hammer/anvil army with pox riders/drones/nurglings/plaguebearers and some beasts or GUO. I cant speak on pvp but if you are losing as nurgle in campaign purely because you think the units suck or something then it seems like user error.
Where the hell is Boris todbringer? i really hoped he was going to be the FLC legendary lord since this DLC is partly focused on the empire. Buuut no :(
Is Epidemius really not a caster at all? I feel like that would be rather boring, if he didn't have some equivalent to that. After all, he's just going to be a slow slug on the battlefield.
I think Kugath needs to be moved with the nurgle update. Having him next to the other slow, grinding, unbreakable faction is awful. Wouldnt mind having kugath and ghorst meet in the mid-late game, but not at the start
Yes Realms of Chaos should have been in the IE map.
Would have loved for the chaos gods to fight and consolidate in the Realms of Chaos and have to build up some kind of magical energy that went spent they can use a portal to advance into the mortal world.
is he actually a new legendary free lord or its just some fanmade stuff
I believe he's a lord that has been in the lore for a long time. New to the game but not a new one to the setting like the Vamp coast lord.
new free legendary lord, coming late april/early May with the thrones of decay dlc
On the one hand I really don't like Nurgle at all, not my faction in the least... but on the other hand this means more disgusting targets to blast with the new Empire and Dawi toys so I guess it's a net positive :D
I will gladly play him because... Forgive me papa but Kugath is too FULL for me.
I find the lore of Nurgle interesting but man, i cant look at them, i really get sick Even by pictures of the Nurgle forces.😂
I feel like a lot of the demonic units in the chaos roster play a supporting role to the mortal units. There are a few that truly shine to me(i love exalted pink horrors), but as of right now I feel like a fully demonic army will be nowhere near as good as one that has mortal units. It's disappointing because when I go to play one of the demon factions, I want to theme some of my armies to be fully demonic. This especially goes for the Nurgle demonic units. Just underwhelming across the board.
I Mandela Effected myself into thinking Epidemius was a launch character
Please try to get plague drones buffed, I want them to be good so badly
Pls no.
Can't we have a true underworld map section that operates similarly to entering and exiting the Realms of Chaos?
Epidemius wouldn't need to do all the accounting if nurgle followers fingers would stop rotting off. Hard to count on gangrenous hands
Be'la'kor was technically an FLC LL after people were annoyed at his initial implementation
i bet he is a reskin of the cof/de spread sheet system.
Oh, Epidemius isn’t a caster? I thought all the heralds other than Skulltaker were casters.
Where is the Empire???
we currently don´t have a chaos crisis so maybe the RoC mechanics will be used in mortal empires for a new Chaos invasion crisis
No melee, no magic, just some buffs and plaguebearer summons? He does not sound very fun to me….
Who doesn't love tactical accounts?
You will be audited
less charge than 300 dollar orc laborours OMEGALUL
Can't hear you... too busy simping for death mage wifu.
Or add some immortal empires factions into realms of chaos. That would be better
If they give is cheep FLC they show how much they "respect" players
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Please indy, you’re our only hope to make rot flys any good. They’re so cool, but they have been unusable for 3 year. The roster really needs them to be good to fill out nurgles play style. They really should be a staple unit.
I really hope for a nurgle butcher dude with a kinda pumpkin like head
So he's probably gonna be the helman Ghorst of Nurgle
I find myself hopeful for Epidemius. I really do hope they have him supercharge plaguebearers, they’re units I genuinely want to use. I also can’t think of them doing this ever being a bad thing. Throt’s campaign of roided up rat ogres is great, and Ghorst is actually fairly enjoyable with his dirt-cheap zombies of doom. So yeah, I hope they don’t miss this opportunity.
Glad he's free, I'll tell you that much. But honestly, I would rather we get some more Ogre lords to play as. Just Greasus is boring. Where's Golgfag or Ghark? Maybe as a big "pre-order DLC rework" along with Norsca, but time is running out.
I could see Epidemius getting a little bit of casting, even if it just some bound hexes. Maybe something a bit like the Blood Dragons Lord's truncated magic line with a mix of a few buffs & Debuffs from the Lores of Nurgle, Death, & maybe Shadows.
I’m thinking it’ll be a western start position then, Naggaroth or Lustria. We’ve got two eastern boys in Tamurkan and Ku’Gath, and a central plague boy in Festus. So they’ll probably spread the love
I trhink a cool way to add chaos realm in IE would be just for the deamonic factions, give those unique quests and mechanics to battle it out in the chaos realm, with their own personal armies and currency, and every X turns a winner is decided and that one is 'ascending' giving that faction bonusses on the IE map. In that regard Daniel as a faction could sort of choose how he helps or who he helps and at the end of a ascendency cycle, he would gain rewards depending on how he helped. I don't feel the need to add the mortal races in the chaos realm, it would be impossible for them to survive there for any amount of time, and why would some factions even bother going there (IE vampire coast, wood elves)
over/under on how much Indie got paid for that intro