16GB on a high end GPU in 2025 is a joke. The 5080 should come with a 320-bit bus and 20GB or 24GB on a 384-bit bus. NVIDIA is doing the same ripoff where they launch a beta RTX 50 series and then 1 year later they launch a refresh that's gonna have the real performance and specs.
Yes and no. The 5080 will be a 1440p card and there is more than enough. 5090will be for 4k where will be enough vram for 4k. Sam as the 4000 series 4080s 1440p card and 4090 4k card
Bus width is one of the most important aspects of GPU memory/bandwidth. The larger the bus width, the better the GPU scales with resolution, and the longer the GPU will last. People are ignorant when it comes to hardware..
It's obvious that they want to relase a TI or S version. The 5080 is really a 5070ti. I hope ppl will skip the 5080 forcing Nvidia to lower the price and sell a 5080s/ti for better prices. Either way, I'm in the market for a 5090. I'll pay the nvidia tax. I'm expecting 2500 dollars.
I am 100% in the camp that VRAM matters. There shouldn't be a single gaming GPU launched in 2025 with less than 16GB VRAM. 16GB VRAM should be the damn minimum. It's insane to keep launching these GPUs with less VRAM.
When have you used more than 12gb? I have a 7900xt with 20gb but its a total waste of vram. The only time ive seen it use more was the optimized 4k texture pack for space marine 2.
@@AngelicRequiemX From what iv seen it runs right under 12gb native 1440. Wouldn't turn on any extra rt with a 7900xt lol. Uses even less with up scaling. 4k may be different but even for a 4090 its pushing play ability frame wise.
@@Lockwood360 It actually runs over 12 GB at native 1440p with RT turned on. In fact runs over 16 GB VRAM at native 1440p if you turn on path tracing at max settings with a 4090/4080 super. You wouldn't know this because you have an AMD card which doesn't have access to path tracing or DLSS frame gen (which also uses more VRAM) on Indiana Jones.
@@AngelicRequiemX Im just watching others benchmarks. No Rt native 1440 is under 12gb, upscaling lessons that even more. Yes with RT you slightly go over that 12gb mark but most people are upscaling once rt is involved so it again brings it back down below 12. BTW i also own an RTX 4070...I know how stuff works haha. I prefer my AMD card.
I decided not to chase 4k. I have a 7900xt and 7800x3d. Just purchased my first 240hz 27inch 1440p OLED (LG 27GS95QE). Comes tomorrow. I felt this was the smarter upgrade for now. Iv never experienced OLED . On sale for $600 from $900 :)
Have both 4k and 1440p and much prefer the 1440p for gaming. I love being able to crank up the settings while still enjoying high refresh rate. IMO, at 27 inches, while 4k is noticeably sharper in game, with things like DLSS/FSR taking care of AA in games, 1440p still looks crisp and good enough in comparison to 4k. Honestly gonna sell my 4k monitor as it's the one that sits there without use. outside of gaming for general desktop use, 4k is sharper, but not enough difference to give up 1440p. Much easier to run which means our cards will also last longer. It's a no brainer.
Nvidia know they can pimp their buyers, so they will. If you want a 5080 with 24gb vram, for 1000, than don’t buy it. Buyers have the power, NVIDIA just doesn’t believe its buyers will grow a pair.
@@mitsuhh Bro doesn't know about the CPU overhead issues 💀Intel is done unless they somehow get the greenlight for the C series and it fixes the issues I doubt it though.
You said it perfectly we don't need more power but better optimization. No sense in having something like a 5080/5090 and optimization continues to be absolutely garbage. Not really excited for any of the new gpus given the current situation with optimization and just AAA gaming in general
Vram matters but also other things matter too. Tensor cores, RT cores, consumption, price, competition, technologies. Everything matters. This generation if you want the best you still have to go with Nvidia. Let's hope AMD will honor the rumors and provide 4080 super performance at 649$.
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime If they provide 4080 super performance the price will be great. The 5070, we don't know where they will be in terms of performance. Let's see, today is the day for them.
@DsLmaNiaC well the rumours have put it around a 4070 ti and ti super, which is a pretty uplift from the 4070 super so that's not very exciting lol. If the 9070xt can't beat that then they've failed imo unless it's $449. I don't see why they couldn't manage 4080 performance for the price, that's a 40% uplift from the 7800xt which many cards hard done that and more before (2080 to the 3080 had a 50% uplift for the same price for example ) it would be a flop if they can't manage that lol. Ill be up early ( 6am in Australia) to watch the announcements with my fingers crossed because I'm sick of nvidia and need an excuse to buy Amd
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime I don't know, I am just saying. I think a lot of people are sick of Nvidia's tactics on the upper end but AMD is not helping. I will not trust a word they say about their gpus today if I don't see the reviews before the launch.
@DsLmaNiaC amd's last few showing with benchmarks have been a little sketchy lol so yes I'll definitely be waiting for the reviews first but if amd shows 4080 performance for $499 it will hold me off buying a second hand 4080 until the reviews come out
I'm still sticking to my 7900GRE and save money to upgrade my whole system in 3-4 years. Hopefully by that time, 4K-8K ultrawide monitor 240+Hz will be more common. However I'm looking forward for the Switch2.
for 1440p 256 is enough, but it can push to 4k with infinity cache which could also have been improved meanwhile, i have a feeling that i should've bought the 7900xt simply for more vram and better raster, dont care about upscaling and RT like nvdroids
Low key, I think I'll skip or wait until my 4090 runs out of gas. I don't think we're ready for more power rn. There's no game out there that really brought the 4090 to its knees unless it was optimized slop. UE5 is a trash engine and theres no point in trying to brute force it just because devs can't fix their engine. All the games that came out during the 4090 gen, the best ones didn't even need 4090 level perf to run and look gorgeous. Maybe this next gen of games could actually use 4090 to its limit but I don't think I really need more rn. Unless there's some insane feature that for some reason can't run on 40 series, I don't see the need to upgrade tbh.
What you wrote makes sense. I myself use a 4070 Ti and use it for 1440p and don't see the need to switch, but on the other hand, sometimes I use the card with a 4k TV and the VRAM bottleneck is starting to bother me, so as an interesting experiment and to show Nvidia that the price of the 50 series is not adequate to the capabilities, I intend to buy a 7900 XTX or 9070XT. And I completely agree about UE5. At first, I was fascinated by its capabilities, but now I curse almost every game released on that garbage. Micro stuttering is impossible....
Im coming up on an insurance settlement from a car accident. Ive never bought an expensive GPU, I think Im gonna pull go ahead and get me a 5090 9950x3d system. It will last me for a really long time.
I know you like to stir the pot, but come on, save your judgment for after release on the 9070xt. Not everyone bought a $1000 7900xtx. Some of us are still on the 6000 series and just want better rt and upscaling at a decent price. Which is exactly what they appear to be giving us...
hopefully, 4080 performance at $499 would definitely give the 5070 a run for its money. if the 5070 is 4070 ti super level performance, which seems likely the 9070xt could have it beat 10% in raster if it really is that close to a 4080. slighlty faster in raster and $100 less with more Vram should do the trick, FSR 4 needs to look promising too. Amd could botch this, they might price it at $549 and the performance is slighlty off the rumoured 4080 levels. we'll find out soon but if it does live up to expectations i'll glady pay $499 for it
@@Frogboyx1gaming yes, I have an LG 1440p screen, I've got Hogwarts Legacy running on Ultra settings, Raytracing at Ultra settings, and DLSS set at Quality. The game does not fall below 70 FPS.
I used to say that there is no bad products just badly priced but when i see high end card with 16 GB ram and such horrendous price i am dying inside... Ngreedia with full power .... I dont care about RT at all i mainly play competetiv games and even IF i play singleolayer ones i got good fast qdoled and it matters more than funny RT .... U can easilly get similar effects with simple reshade presets ... We need good 1440p card and 9070xt maybe will be spot on it depends od price 500 would be max i can pay for this card anything high end shoyld have minimum 20gb RAM to play 4k games on medium high settings
1440p is the way to go. We don't have the hardware for 4k. I'm happy with 1080p/60hz for now but in a couple of years would like to try 1440p. I don't care about high fps at all. I prefer stability, so I lock at 30 or 60fps depending on the game.
I look forward to seeing your comparison. I got the xtx around black friday, and im hoping it was a good decision. I play 4k on television, but I've been testing out upsacling from 1440 or frame capping because running high utilization makes the room a bit toasty.
XTX is good but I wouldn't get one anymore unless it was really cheap. 9070 will likely give the performance at 600 €. And you want to undervolt it and of course always frame cap.
@@mitsuhh eh the xtx is on average 7% faster than the 4080, not exactly identical lol. definitely lags behind in RT though and uses WAY more power. FSR 3 also is terrible, Amd priced it too close to the 4080 which was also terribly priced lol. if AMD could match or beat the 4080 for $499 it would most likely be ahead of the 5070 by 10% in raster while being $100 cheaper, that could be enough to take the win in the midrange...also depends on how FSR 4 turns out. But if its priced only $50 below the 5070 its going to truggle yet again lol
@@Frogboyx1gaming my goal rtx 5090. My resolution, full hd. i do not even want wqhd, i stay at full hd. gamer will never underestand why. amd is no option.
Yes totally agree. Depends what resolution and how intense the textures are but that 12gb will stretch it's legs on most 1080p games coming out not sure about 1440p. The 7700xt is a much bigger upgrade over the 6700xt in more modern games. And runs cooler too
@@rcrhino2148 oh 1440p as well, we might have to lower presets a bit, if now we are playing 1440p high/ultra presets, me may have to lowers those to medium/high, but im pretty sure we are still going to be able to play at 1440p at least 4-5 years with a 12gb Vram card
I honestly can't even tell the difference between 4k and 1440p... It's such a minimal difference specially if you play laid back and don't put your nose against your monitor screen
You see its sharper and I play on a 65 inch OLED TV very laid back. But its also about what you're used to. I now have to play at 1080p again, but I want those smooth 120 Hz over going 4K60 - While two years ago I was totally happy with 4K60 because I never had a better monitor so I did not know what I missed there. In the end what I have right now is still console level experience.
For context indiana jones at 4k maxed no raytracing only hits about 11 gb. Which is what i play it at on the 4080super locked 60 no stutter. Very smooth. So 16gb is enough for 4k gaming in most scenarios. And th id tech engine is extremly optimised and scalable for pc. Its built for pc. The new doom will run 4k maxed just fine w/a 16gb 4k card i predict. I also think theyll figure out how to compress ray-tracing down as it matures and will use less vram. They will find new ways to do more w/less as tech advances. So the vram overhead needed is still unknown and prob wont be an issue the further forward we move. The industry is kind of reaching its max for gaming right now and wont see much more of an uplift at max graphics settings till they figure out how to utilize memory more efficiently or just differently. So imo i don't think vram will be the deciding factor in the future anymore. Its the things they can use to save on resources that will push gaming forward. Enjoy the ride. I think its going to look much different in 2 years. So game on and enjoy. The cards we have out now are very powerful the way tech advances now will determine how much better the experience gets on the highest end
Fr I don't understand how 16gb of vram isn't enough When most games don't use that The only games I've seen use that are games incorporating path tracing
@@Frogboyx1gaming I know, If I had waited I would have to deal with the 5080 being double the price for 20% more performance. If I had waited I would have just went with the 9070XT. I am GPU agnostic, I don't care, price/perf is the game.
@ this ain’t 1993 when your card will be a paper weight when Win 95 releases and games look 3x better than last year. We have games from 10 years ago that look and run better than today. You can run those games on an rx580 or GTX 1060 for crying out loud. I got this card to get in front of tariffs and had a 2080Ti.
I agree we don't need more power, just the same level of performance with lower price. If whatever the new AMD card can do around 4080 performance for ~$500 is exciting. Don't know if they'll do that but it would be awesome and I've heard some mention of it. Nvidia has absolutely no interest from me these days. They just don't have enough vram below their flagships. I got a really good deal on an open box 3090 back in the day and that was exciting. Over a 1000 bucks you need to be getting more than 16gigs though its crazy
i'm actually hopeful AMD can pull this off, they've said they're going to be aggressive going after marketshare in the low to midrange, they're also announcing their cards 6 hours before Nvidia so they must be confident. IF they actually manage 4080 performance ( which isnt unreasonable, that would be a 40% uplift from the 7800xt, lots of cards had uplifts like that gen on gen )and the RT is improved they could do some damage to the 5070 if its priced at or below $499, i know i'd buy one for that price. The question, will Amd put their money where their mouth is, if its doesnt reach that level of performance and its priced higher i'll just buy a second hand 4080 when they flood the market after tomorrow lol. I'd rather give my money to Amd if they put out a good card though to stick it to Nvidia instead of funding someone to buy a 5080 which will be a joke of a card above $1000
I don't know why many gamers complain about Nvidia nowadays they are Enterprise Chip Brand not Gamer GPU Brand now 😂 for Gaming put attention about Intel and AMD GPU in 2025.
Gamers, including myself, are to blame for constantly supporting Nvidia, their crazy prices, and recently the constant insufficient amount of VRAM at launch and selling us DLSS and FG instead of pure rasterization. It's unthinkable that the RTX 3080 cost $699, and soon the RTX 5080 might cost twice as much. Ray tracing praised to the skies? Check out Hardware Unboxed's video-since 2019, maybe 4 or 5 games have come out where it's worth turning on, and I know because I've been testing it since the release of the RTX 2060, and then the 3070 and 4070Ti...
This year, if the price of the RTX 5080 turns out to be too high (which is 99% likely), I will switch to the 7900 XTX or 9070XT as an experiment. I will wait for tests, prices, and availability in stores and then decide what to buy.
@@Frogboyx1gaming Also to the whole specs of the 5090 is lower then the 4090 except the gddr7 and even then that’s not enough I was hoping it was going to be like the 4080 when it beats out the 3090 & 3090 Ti but if specs are true that’s not going to be the case at all
Pc gaming is so bad now as far as ripping off customers, that I fully expect a an fps counter scandal, where somehow data from games start producing lower fps numbers in overlays, which will cause many to go out and buy more expensive hardware….
As a proud owner of an RX580? CCL my friend. Could care less. Ol faithful will play anything I want to this day. With the cost of graphics cards today? My next upgrade is likely to be the 5700xt. Straight from China!
I'm with the other commenter. The 5700XT was an awesome GPU and the best value GPU I had ever owned. But if you're goint to upgrade, than get something that atleasts outperforms a 4060. You're not paying that much more fa a 6700 xt over an aliexpress 5700xt but you will get a more significant bump in performance. If you're lucky you may even find a good deal on a 6800.
@@MKIIUltRacer The only place I am likely to FIND a 6700xt where I live? Is on Aliexpress. And it will still cost me better than $500 Canadian. Besides which? I do not need 4060 performance. I'm an old man. I don't play anything more intensive than Minecraft and Factorio. My days of competitive gaming are long behind me. And quite frankly if I were not already 80% done collecting parts for an am4 ITX build? My next computer would have likely been a Mini Pc. Im running a 5700G in my system already that is perfectly capable of meeting my needs without the RX580. I only upgraded from a 2nd gen i7 last year. But I bought the 5700g specifically in case the RX580 dies on me before I can afford to replace it. I played the original Doom and Wolfenstein at 320p ffs. This APU will play anything I throw at it in 720p. Even Cyberpunk. You kids are spoiled rotten today in comparison with your 4k gaming rigs. My first computer gaming experience was PONG! And I was 17 when that first came out in 1972.
Im saving up for a new Thermaltake Tower 250 itx case now. I am hoping they come out with it in bumblebee yellow at CES, but I will take it in black if they do not. Its a scaled down version of The Tower 300 octagonal case. And its likely to retail for about $280 Canadian rubles after the blood taxes. I already have everything else. Got a smoking good deal on an AM4 itx board on boxing day. That is compatible with the 32gb of 4000mhz ram I am running already. When Strix Halo finally winds its way onto the desktop? That is likely to be my last upgrade, if I am still around that is.
@@davefroman4700 Please don't get me wrong and am far from a spoiled kid (almost 40) who aims at 4k. I finished Cyberpunk on a laptop with a rx 5500m and enjoyed it very much. Any GPU above €400 to play single player games is to much for me. Now I do own a 7900xtx but only bought that to play ACC (racing game) with triple screens. It was not ment as a dig but I think me and the other commenter forgot about GPU prices being different for different countries. Where I live, ordering a 5700XT from Aliexprss would cost me nearly the same as buying a brand new 4060/RX7600. It's not always about the best performance but it does become a factor when prices are similar. I would wan't to get the best bang for my buck. For me ordering a GPU from Aliexpress never really works out because the import tax and shipping costs would put it at a price point near GPU's I can buy locally that perform better. Personally, I love the 5700XT and I think it deserves to be up there with the 1080Ti in terms of legendary GPU's. But I could not justify paying more than € 150 for both of these cards in 2025.
I have 2 computers and one has a 7800XT the other a RTX 4070 ti i am replacing that one i have a 7900XT coming i thought go for 20GB or 24 GB of vram anyway yeah a 7900XT it will take 7 to 10 days to get here for some reason.
I have been playing star citizens as was shocked after turning on the on game display. 33-35gb of ram, (upgraded to 64gb due to this game) and 13-14gb of vram at 3560x1440.
Where’s this all going to end, Nvidia added cost with uplift last time round and looks set to continue that trend. If the 5080 does release at say £1400 and performance is just shy of a 4090 than it’s going to tank hard especially with the 5070 TI having very close specifications, this would also mean the 80 class price has doubled in 4 years which tbf is absolute dog 💩 As a 4080 owner I honestly can’t see the point in going to a 5080
Devs need to stop pushing visuals and just focus on optimisation and intelligent npcs, games can look amazing now and realistic thats sorted but we still have games running like crap and releasing broken, these powerful cards are great (overpriced though) but are not getting to perform properly in loads of games, the whole industry needs realigning to performance and quality, atm its just fake resolutions, fake frames, overpriced hardware, lazy/rushed development etc etc.
@@brunohanham3119 it was a brand new RTX 4070 Palit Dual not overclocked. It was always reaching the temp limit of 84°C when under heavy loads which is how I play singleplayer games
I only have a Dell PC in 2000, HP PC in 2008 and my current laptop as PC GPU experience. I'm definitely relying on you and other research for knowledge on the subject.
Does anybody else get the feeling like Nvidia and game developers met in a dark Smoke Filled Room I made a deal something along the lines of "you don't optimize games so we can sell these outrageously priced gpus and when you lose your job will hire you in our AI Department"
@AyooJake the best AMD card you can afford. I personally think you will be able to maximize your performance for a reasonable cost and seeing as you will hold on to your card longer than most I think a 7900XT 7900XTX would be more than sufficient to blow your mind
Instead of an Unreal engine, where is the opposite of that? Where is an engine that focuses on optimization, and how well it runs over effects most could care less about that still strikes excellent visuals.
Yeah I've seen multiple people say 16GB of Vram is completely fine and more than enough... Dude if I'm paying that kinda money for a new card I want 24gb minimum
@mitsuhh not for 4k gaming...I'm seeing those saying so are rtx 4080 buyer's now feeling a little buyer's remorse. This is why I purchased a rtx 4090 with 24gb of VRAM as I knew where we were heading. I also paid the same for that card what the leaks are asking for a rtx 5080.
I think that the "5080" is just gonna be similar to 4070ti super in the current 40 series lineup. If you look at the 4070ti super it's still a really strong card even though it has half the cuda cores, 256 bit bandwidth and 16gb vram. It's pretty much nvidia's equivalent to 7900xt. When these cards came out they were only slightly better (10%) than the previous gen cards like the 3090/6900xt. The "5080" is definitely gonna be about 40-60% worse compared to a 5090 if you look at how the 4070tis depending on game s you play compared to the 4090 and I do think you're right on the money on that take. It's just a 1440p 144 fps/4k 60fps card. I think comes down to the pricing when it comes to the "5080", the 4070ti super and 7900xt were around 800-900 at launch. If the "5080" is around 800usd it'll be a fair price, but if it's 1.2k usd like the 4080 it's definitely overpriced since that's basically 15% perf/dollar less since the 4070tis is still 15% slower than a 4080. It also depends on how much the 5090 is gonna cost, if the 5090 is more than 50% more expensive than the "5080", the "5080" will be a better value even though it's 50% worse.
I bought a 4090 for $400 with a blown 5v fuse that cost be $0.75 to fix myself. I will do the same with the 5090 and not pay the Ngreedia tax on gpu's.
@SCOOBYGD buys a 4k gpu and does what a non 4k gpu can do for less money. Heck I play 4070s at 4k....I want to get a 4090 for 4k. I'd trade my super for a 4090. Overkill and pointless my super is perfect for what you want. I just want 4k60 and even a 4070ti super would be good for that. So him getting a 4090 is just not smart at all. Go 4k or sell that 4090 for the 4070ti super and you ill have money left over for more games.
It all comes down to optimisation nowdays. I have 5700X3D/4070TIS and it ran MSFS 2020 at 45-50 fps DLSS Quality, now it runs around 80fps on the same hardware and looks better than a year before. I'm tired to throw money at bed optimisation problem, epecially with UE5 being the mess it is. Maybe it's time to stop playing new AAA titles, most of them suck anyway.
its no surprise at all from NVidia, they are disgusting. They was full of BS after the 10 series cards. Their fan boys will continue to kiss their backside though as they are dumb enough to fall for it, as the saying goes, more money than sense.
The RX 9070 XT will likely be just above half the cost of an RTX 5080 and it will also likely be well above half the perform. Pricing people out of the 5080, all though we all know it will sell, pushes more people towards AMD. The real question is what the 5070 performance and price will be. That's where the majority of the market is.
if its 4080 performance it will be 30-35% behind the 5080. which is fine if its priced at $499 and the 5080 is $1,199. The 5080 isnt worth buying above $1,000 imo. not with only 16gb and a smaller uplift than 80 class cards have been getting gen on gen
I thought the rx 6700xt despite being advertised as a 1440p card back when it launched was a really good investment in 1080P even modern games still perform very well. Card was definitely worth buying back then. Some games are really poorly optimized ones. Looking at you stalker. Hell divers seems to be pretty hard to run when having more than 1 player in the match with max setting at 1080p. Frame rate fluctuates up and down a lot in the game. I noticed rx 7700xt i think performs quite a bit better and much smoother.
@@Frogboyx1gaming It is but it's too high in price still considering it's using the Navi 32 die. They could have easily just not have made the 7700xt and instead replace with 7800xt and charge $50 less MSRP. Around the $450 mark.
I think i have 4 to 6 years on of 1440p medium graphics on my 3080ti. Used to play on ultra and Right now i play on high with some medium for above 100 fps. I play apex on low for 144 to 200fps. I probably buy the next 6090 for 4k gaming. This Gen 5000series feels like a new experimental fase to real ray tracing game whoch is renamed pathtracing.
I would have kept mine but am happy to have RMAd it because of hotspot issue, 115° default temps and lately graphical artifacts, so I got a full refund and basically got a free card for two years. Buying a new XTX right now is not a good idea. Its still more expensive than the 9070 is supposed to be for the same performance.
5080 looking to follow suit like the 3070. Mid range still packin the same lame VRam years later even though its supposed to be a tier above the 70 class. Expect a 6080 with the same spec. 5080 = 5070 Ti. 5070 Ti = 5070. 5070 = 5060 Ti.
7900XT and 7900XTX are great value GPU's . I'm sad the AMD doesnt have enough credit in GPU market especially in the professional workspace . I have choice than to go for Nvidia because Cuda is better than AMD stream processors in rendering .
i'm prepared for the worst but hopeful for the best. i can see Amd actually going through with their promise to gain marketshare. They're announcing their cards first so they must be confident. IF the 9070xt is actually 4080 performance for $499 that will have the 5070 beat at $599. more vram, should be 10% ahead in Raster ( probably slighlty behind in RT ) while being $100 cheaper. That should get the job done, this is if Amd doesn't botch another launch, if they price it any higher and then drop the price later on people wont care and will buy nvidia. surely they cant keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again lol. IF amd is stupid, i'll just get a 4080 second hand when start selling on the market for cheaper. So i wont be to disappointed but it would be nice to have some proper competition
4090's broke down alot, you can just lookup those videos about 4090 just go back for repair. i rather have a card that does not break down as fast as the 4090. worst card i had till to this day.
NO no no. It will be more powerful than the 4090! Using their new AI tech that only the 5000 will be able to use :D Get ready to hear "AI" an awfully lot tomorrow.
16 GB is fine in theory but not on a 1400 €+ flagship. Even a 300 € Intel Arc has 12 GB, AMD will offer 16 at around 600 €. Its a ripoff. For under 1 K I would say the price and VRAM of the 5080 is justified.
well i use 4k on 32inch with 6800xt...but i use fsr quality most of the time...i play mostly singleplayer games and everything run perfectly fine 60 fps with fsr quality...only stalker 2 run poorly..but thats only poorly made game...also on 4k a lot of remasters look great also...i play now rdr1 and looks great still.sysstem shock remake looks like a new great indie game etc..also on 4k you are gpu bound..until you run stream and makes a lot of editing you can go for cheap 8 core also...on 4k you can tweak a lot of things these days...there is no better gpu like 7800xt for 500 right now...you can do 2k high refresh gaming or singleplayer 4k 60 solid gaming...if the game is better optimized..
Monday will Tell it all. The only Question Really is Who that Geforce 5080 is for Miners= Nope? they are Chasing the cheap Video Cards. AI People = Nope? They are going after the Geforce 5090 32GB. Who is it for Gamers for $1,200--$1,500 your Joking right? Like I said the Gefoce 5070 Ti because it has 16GB or the RX 9070XT because it has 16GB. The 5070 12GB & 5080 16GB is a waste.
SOLUTION DO NOT BUY NVIDIA YOU DO NOT NEED COVID SKELPING PRICES and AMD is lazy NO PRICE WARSNO FIGHT AGANST RTX 5070 5080 5090 that leaves NVIDIA with no price wars $1600 RTX 5080
I would recommend either the AMD 7900XTX or 4070ti Super possibly a 4080 Super if you can get a good deal on it. All of these cards are very strong UW cards
@@Frogboyx1gamingtime to buy 40 series cards was 2 years ago they aren't even cheaper now. AMD doesn't offer DLSS. And they still have only 16 gb (nvidia). So 5080 16 Gb is also a good option I suppose
indiana jones is a terrible example, this game still look like hot garb compared to 2014 high end fps, even maxxed out, it definately is not the fault of the gpu that it's running this poorly
I mean this gpu generation wont be that great in hardware but software yes the new fsr4 for amd i wish this still gonna work for my rx 7900gre IF nôt well i probably buy new rx 9070xt IF that bé still in good price but problém is where i live we just háve new tax and now its at 25% soo😂😅😢😢😢😢yeah nvidia is out of the question forever and AMD vecoming for mé expensive as well but this year it will be even more expensive damn new tax is crazy. Also i wish games get more optimized this year cuz how mutch i hate unreal engine games the new 5.4 version promise improvements in optimization so lets hope new games no matter the engine will run better than games we hat Last year.
Regarding Unreal Engine, I hope it turns out to be true, because right now I hate this engine and its micro stuttering. As for hardware and graphics cards, it seems that Nvidia has again gone overboard with their pricing, and instead of pure performance, they will now try to sell DLSS4 and neural rendering, and that's it. So they won't get my money. As for AMD, it all depends on the pricing of the 9070XT - if the performance is at the level of the 7900XT and 7900XTX for a price of $500, I'll take it without hesitation.
And these words come from a guy who owns: GTX960, 1060, 2060, 3070, and today 4070Ti. Sorry, but I don't remember the earlier models, and I've been building my computers for almost 25 years...
@@Frogboyx1gaming It's hard not to agree with you here, but you know-when paying hundreds or thousands of dollars, besides improvements in upscaling techniques or delays in using frame generation, I would also like to see progress in pure rasterization because software isn't everything...
16GB on a high end GPU in 2025 is a joke. The 5080 should come with a 320-bit bus and 20GB or 24GB on a 384-bit bus. NVIDIA is doing the same ripoff where they launch a beta RTX 50 series and then 1 year later they launch a refresh that's gonna have the real performance and specs.
Exactly my friend
Yes and no. The 5080 will be a 1440p card and there is more than enough. 5090will be for 4k where will be enough vram for 4k. Sam as the 4000 series 4080s 1440p card and 4090 4k card
"The more you neural render; the more you save VRAM." - JenseNvidia, probably
True. Or it might just flipping lower the price if they wanna play this way
@ lets wait for that
Bus width is one of the most important aspects of GPU memory/bandwidth. The larger the bus width, the better the GPU scales with resolution, and the longer the GPU will last. People are ignorant when it comes to hardware..
Yes they are. It's crazy when they defend it too.
It's obvious that they want to relase a TI or S version. The 5080 is really a 5070ti. I hope ppl will skip the 5080 forcing Nvidia to lower the price and sell a 5080s/ti for better prices. Either way, I'm in the market for a 5090. I'll pay the nvidia tax. I'm expecting 2500 dollars.
I am 100% in the camp that VRAM matters. There shouldn't be a single gaming GPU launched in 2025 with less than 16GB VRAM. 16GB VRAM should be the damn minimum. It's insane to keep launching these GPUs with less VRAM.
When have you used more than 12gb? I have a 7900xt with 20gb but its a total waste of vram. The only time ive seen it use more was the optimized 4k texture pack for space marine 2.
@@Lockwood360 Indiana Jones would like to speak with you.
@@AngelicRequiemX From what iv seen it runs right under 12gb native 1440. Wouldn't turn on any extra rt with a 7900xt lol. Uses even less with up scaling. 4k may be different but even for a 4090 its pushing play ability frame wise.
@@Lockwood360 It actually runs over 12 GB at native 1440p with RT turned on. In fact runs over 16 GB VRAM at native 1440p if you turn on path tracing at max settings with a 4090/4080 super.
You wouldn't know this because you have an AMD card which doesn't have access to path tracing or DLSS frame gen (which also uses more VRAM) on Indiana Jones.
@@AngelicRequiemX Im just watching others benchmarks. No Rt native 1440 is under 12gb, upscaling lessons that even more. Yes with RT you slightly go over that 12gb mark but most people are upscaling once rt is involved so it again brings it back down below 12. BTW i also own an RTX 4070...I know how stuff works haha. I prefer my AMD card.
to add insult to my injury, those GPUs are running the Ai that stole my job and purpose. Can't even play videogames to deal with the pain :(
I decided not to chase 4k. I have a 7900xt and 7800x3d. Just purchased my first 240hz 27inch 1440p OLED (LG 27GS95QE). Comes tomorrow. I felt this was the smarter upgrade for now. Iv never experienced OLED . On sale for $600 from $900 :)
Come on now, 4k is pretty good, 😊and that 7900xt is a great card for 4k and 1440p
Have both 4k and 1440p and much prefer the 1440p for gaming. I love being able to crank up the settings while still enjoying high refresh rate. IMO, at 27 inches, while 4k is noticeably sharper in game, with things like DLSS/FSR taking care of AA in games, 1440p still looks crisp and good enough in comparison to 4k. Honestly gonna sell my 4k monitor as it's the one that sits there without use. outside of gaming for general desktop use, 4k is sharper, but not enough difference to give up 1440p. Much easier to run which means our cards will also last longer. It's a no brainer.
@@JahonCross For sure, i appreciate a higher refresh rate though so this is my sweet spot.
@@07xGH0ST Exactly my thinking
Nice, OLED is a big upgrade! Now you are going to see what I have been banging on about all this time LOL
Nvidia know they can pimp their buyers, so they will. If you want a 5080 with 24gb vram, for 1000, than don’t buy it. Buyers have the power, NVIDIA just doesn’t believe its buyers will grow a pair.
We tend to get the good cards a year after release like the RX 7900 GRE and RTX 4070 TI Super.
I agree
Let's make a new GPU company at this point.
So.. intel?
@@mitsuhh Bro doesn't know about the CPU overhead issues 💀Intel is done unless they somehow get the greenlight for the C series and it fixes the issues I doubt it though.
@@Bargate Are you 10 years old?
Let’s hope AMD doesn’t over price these cards then sit on the store shelves like last generation
Not gonna pay that much for a GPU. Ain't never gonna happen. I'll look for the best 500-700 buck card.
You said it perfectly we don't need more power but better optimization. No sense in having something like a 5080/5090 and optimization continues to be absolutely garbage. Not really excited for any of the new gpus given the current situation with optimization and just AAA gaming in general
It is frustrating that we're not getting the performance we should be.
Vram matters but also other things matter too. Tensor cores, RT cores, consumption, price, competition, technologies. Everything matters. This generation if you want the best you still have to go with Nvidia.
Let's hope AMD will honor the rumors and provide 4080 super performance at 649$.
LOL at $649 it will be DOA. $499, why would they price it higher than the 5070 when the performance of the cards is similar. makes no sense
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime If they provide 4080 super performance the price will be great. The 5070, we don't know where they will be in terms of performance. Let's see, today is the day for them.
@DsLmaNiaC well the rumours have put it around a 4070 ti and ti super, which is a pretty uplift from the 4070 super so that's not very exciting lol. If the 9070xt can't beat that then they've failed imo unless it's $449. I don't see why they couldn't manage 4080 performance for the price, that's a 40% uplift from the 7800xt which many cards hard done that and more before (2080 to the 3080 had a 50% uplift for the same price for example ) it would be a flop if they can't manage that lol. Ill be up early ( 6am in Australia) to watch the announcements with my fingers crossed because I'm sick of nvidia and need an excuse to buy Amd
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime I don't know, I am just saying. I think a lot of people are sick of Nvidia's tactics on the upper end but AMD is not helping. I will not trust a word they say about their gpus today if I don't see the reviews before the launch.
@DsLmaNiaC amd's last few showing with benchmarks have been a little sketchy lol so yes I'll definitely be waiting for the reviews first but if amd shows 4080 performance for $499 it will hold me off buying a second hand 4080 until the reviews come out
I'm still sticking to my 7900GRE and save money to upgrade my whole system in 3-4 years. Hopefully by that time, 4K-8K ultrawide monitor 240+Hz will be more common. However I'm looking forward for the Switch2.
Absolutely my friend
for 1440p 256 is enough, but it can push to 4k with infinity cache which could also have been improved meanwhile, i have a feeling that i should've bought the 7900xt simply for more vram and better raster, dont care about upscaling and RT like nvdroids
Yeah the infinity cache is really nice but I definitely think more VRAM is better!
Low key, I think I'll skip or wait until my 4090 runs out of gas. I don't think we're ready for more power rn. There's no game out there that really brought the 4090 to its knees unless it was optimized slop. UE5 is a trash engine and theres no point in trying to brute force it just because devs can't fix their engine. All the games that came out during the 4090 gen, the best ones didn't even need 4090 level perf to run and look gorgeous. Maybe this next gen of games could actually use 4090 to its limit but I don't think I really need more rn. Unless there's some insane feature that for some reason can't run on 40 series, I don't see the need to upgrade tbh.
I feel the same way about my 7900XTX
What you wrote makes sense.
I myself use a 4070 Ti and use it for 1440p and don't see the need to switch, but on the other hand, sometimes I use the card with a 4k TV and the VRAM bottleneck is starting to bother me, so as an interesting experiment and to show Nvidia that the price of the 50 series is not adequate to the capabilities, I intend to buy a 7900 XTX or 9070XT.
And I completely agree about UE5. At first, I was fascinated by its capabilities, but now I curse almost every game released on that garbage. Micro stuttering is impossible....
UE5 is not a trash engine
@@mitsuhh it actually is
@SWOTHDRA Great weak argument
Im coming up on an insurance settlement from a car accident. Ive never bought an expensive GPU, I think Im gonna pull go ahead and get me a 5090 9950x3d system. It will last me for a really long time.
Dooms engine is very well optimised.can only dream of UE games being that well optimised.
I know you like to stir the pot, but come on, save your judgment for after release on the 9070xt. Not everyone bought a $1000 7900xtx. Some of us are still on the 6000 series and just want better rt and upscaling at a decent price. Which is exactly what they appear to be giving us...
hopefully, 4080 performance at $499 would definitely give the 5070 a run for its money. if the 5070 is 4070 ti super level performance, which seems likely the 9070xt could have it beat 10% in raster if it really is that close to a 4080. slighlty faster in raster and $100 less with more Vram should do the trick, FSR 4 needs to look promising too. Amd could botch this, they might price it at $549 and the performance is slighlty off the rumoured 4080 levels. we'll find out soon but if it does live up to expectations i'll glady pay $499 for it
My 12900k and Nvidia 3080Ti still is awesome!
@@christopherbartleson8918 are you on 1440p my friend
@@Frogboyx1gaming yes, I have an LG 1440p screen, I've got Hogwarts Legacy running on Ultra settings, Raytracing at Ultra settings, and DLSS set at Quality. The game does not fall below 70 FPS.
I just upgraded my pc to 14700k. But I still kept my 2080ti and I can still play any games at 1440p too.
@@christopherbartleson8918that’s all you need 😌
I used to say that there is no bad products just badly priced but when i see high end card with 16 GB ram and such horrendous price i am dying inside... Ngreedia with full power .... I dont care about RT at all i mainly play competetiv games and even IF i play singleolayer ones i got good fast qdoled and it matters more than funny RT .... U can easilly get similar effects with simple reshade presets ... We need good 1440p card and 9070xt maybe will be spot on it depends od price 500 would be max i can pay for this card anything high end shoyld have minimum 20gb RAM to play 4k games on medium high settings
1440p is the way to go. We don't have the hardware for 4k. I'm happy with 1080p/60hz for now but in a couple of years would like to try 1440p. I don't care about high fps at all. I prefer stability, so I lock at 30 or 60fps depending on the game.
Wow pricing "5070ti" (because this 5080 is not really a 5080) at 4090 level is a wild move from nvidia.
Wouldn't the 5070 ti 16 gig be the better value though?
Depending on how it goes I'll say yes.
Whatever is good value, will be hard scalped. HARD scalped.
I look forward to seeing your comparison. I got the xtx around black friday, and im hoping it was a good decision.
I play 4k on television, but I've been testing out upsacling from 1440 or frame capping because running high utilization makes the room a bit toasty.
use Radeon chill my friend
XTX is good but I wouldn't get one anymore unless it was really cheap. 9070 will likely give the performance at 600 €. And you want to undervolt it and of course always frame cap.
Xtx will smoke a 9070…. Xtx walks all but the 4090 today…(outside of RT of course).
@@djnes2k7 Cmon. 4080 and 7900xtx are almost identical perf in raster
@@mitsuhh eh the xtx is on average 7% faster than the 4080, not exactly identical lol. definitely lags behind in RT though and uses WAY more power. FSR 3 also is terrible, Amd priced it too close to the 4080 which was also terribly priced lol. if AMD could match or beat the 4080 for $499 it would most likely be ahead of the 5070 by 10% in raster while being $100 cheaper, that could be enough to take the win in the midrange...also depends on how FSR 4 turns out. But if its priced only $50 below the 5070 its going to truggle yet again lol
what game is that in the video
Outcast a new beginning
@@Frogboyx1gaming my goal rtx 5090. My resolution, full hd. i do not even want wqhd, i stay at full hd. gamer will never underestand why. amd is no option.
honestly....if you have a rx7700xt or above you have GPU for at least 6 years ahead
True. You should be able to play games for a while even on low pretty well.
And here I am, still rocking a 6800xt😂
Yes totally agree. Depends what resolution and how intense the textures are but that 12gb will stretch it's legs on most 1080p games coming out not sure about 1440p.
The 7700xt is a much bigger upgrade over the 6700xt in more modern games. And runs cooler too
@@rcrhino2148 oh 1440p as well, we might have to lower presets a bit, if now we are playing 1440p high/ultra presets, me may have to lowers those to medium/high, but im pretty sure we are still going to be able to play at 1440p at least 4-5 years with a 12gb Vram card
I honestly can't even tell the difference between 4k and 1440p... It's such a minimal difference specially if you play laid back and don't put your nose against your monitor screen
I know what you mean, 1440p is already so good
You see its sharper and I play on a 65 inch OLED TV very laid back. But its also about what you're used to. I now have to play at 1080p again, but I want those smooth 120 Hz over going 4K60 - While two years ago I was totally happy with 4K60 because I never had a better monitor so I did not know what I missed there. In the end what I have right now is still console level experience.
@ the difference between 1440p and 4K is minimal. But going from 1080p to 4K is huge
Then something wrong with you lol! There is a big leap from 1440p to 4k but too expensive to maintain so 1440p is the sweet spot.
@ Have you compared the two yourself?
For context indiana jones at 4k maxed no raytracing only hits about 11 gb. Which is what i play it at on the 4080super locked 60 no stutter. Very smooth. So 16gb is enough for 4k gaming in most scenarios. And th id tech engine is extremly optimised and scalable for pc. Its built for pc. The new doom will run 4k maxed just fine w/a 16gb 4k card i predict. I also think theyll figure out how to compress ray-tracing down as it matures and will use less vram. They will find new ways to do more w/less as tech advances. So the vram overhead needed is still unknown and prob wont be an issue the further forward we move. The industry is kind of reaching its max for gaming right now and wont see much more of an uplift at max graphics settings till they figure out how to utilize memory more efficiently or just differently. So imo i don't think vram will be the deciding factor in the future anymore. Its the things they can use to save on resources that will push gaming forward. Enjoy the ride. I think its going to look much different in 2 years. So game on and enjoy. The cards we have out now are very powerful the way tech advances now will determine how much better the experience gets on the highest end
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I don't understand how 16gb of vram isn't enough
When most games don't use that
The only games I've seen use that are games incorporating path tracing
which game is this in the background?
Outcast - A New Beginning
Outcast a new beginning
I still can't believe I scored the RTX 4080 Super new for $800 USD, during prime days. That makes me real happy, love the new PNY card.
That's a great price! I hope you enjoy it!
@@Frogboyx1gaming I know, If I had waited I would have to deal with the 5080 being double the price for 20% more performance. If I had waited I would have just went with the 9070XT. I am GPU agnostic, I don't care, price/perf is the game.
I absolutely recommend getting cards at the end of the generation when you know exactly what to expect from them and you get a discount 😉
@ this ain’t 1993 when your card will be a paper weight when Win 95 releases and games look 3x better than last year. We have games from 10 years ago that look and run better than today. You can run those games on an rx580 or GTX 1060 for crying out loud. I got this card to get in front of tariffs and had a 2080Ti.
I agree we don't need more power, just the same level of performance with lower price. If whatever the new AMD card can do around 4080 performance for ~$500 is exciting. Don't know if they'll do that but it would be awesome and I've heard some mention of it. Nvidia has absolutely no interest from me these days. They just don't have enough vram below their flagships. I got a really good deal on an open box 3090 back in the day and that was exciting. Over a 1000 bucks you need to be getting more than 16gigs though its crazy
Completely agree
i'm actually hopeful AMD can pull this off, they've said they're going to be aggressive going after marketshare in the low to midrange, they're also announcing their cards 6 hours before Nvidia so they must be confident. IF they actually manage 4080 performance ( which isnt unreasonable, that would be a 40% uplift from the 7800xt, lots of cards had uplifts like that gen on gen )and the RT is improved they could do some damage to the 5070 if its priced at or below $499, i know i'd buy one for that price. The question, will Amd put their money where their mouth is, if its doesnt reach that level of performance and its priced higher i'll just buy a second hand 4080 when they flood the market after tomorrow lol. I'd rather give my money to Amd if they put out a good card though to stick it to Nvidia instead of funding someone to buy a 5080 which will be a joke of a card above $1000
So if 5080 is 16gb, can we expect 5060 with 4 or 6gb?
Dont think so but we can expect a 6060 and 7060 with 8gb lol
@blackphoenix546 well if they start using that neural texture compression, there will be no need to put 8gbs on them
Unless you explicitly need CUDA, I don't see a legitimate reason to buy anything other than a 7900XTX.
I don't know why many gamers complain about Nvidia nowadays they are Enterprise Chip Brand not Gamer GPU Brand now 😂 for Gaming put attention about Intel and AMD GPU in 2025.
Gamers, including myself, are to blame for constantly supporting Nvidia, their crazy prices, and recently the constant insufficient amount of VRAM at launch and selling us DLSS and FG instead of pure rasterization.
It's unthinkable that the RTX 3080 cost $699, and soon the RTX 5080 might cost twice as much.
Ray tracing praised to the skies? Check out Hardware Unboxed's video-since 2019, maybe 4 or 5 games have come out where it's worth turning on, and I know because I've been testing it since the release of the RTX 2060, and then the 3070 and 4070Ti...
This year, if the price of the RTX 5080 turns out to be too high (which is 99% likely), I will switch to the 7900 XTX or 9070XT as an experiment. I will wait for tests, prices, and availability in stores and then decide what to buy.
Is this the first generation in which 80 series doesn't beat the previous 90 series?
Yeap. and im sure the comments people will say you dont know what your talking about then benchmarks show up and their story wont age well
how can it? it will be close but that dam 256bit bus will hold it back
@@Frogboyx1gaming Also to the whole specs of the 5090 is lower then the 4090 except the gddr7 and even then that’s not enough
I was hoping it was going to be like the 4080 when it beats out the 3090 & 3090 Ti but if specs are true that’s not going to be the case at all
It will be close but I still think 4090 will be a much better card
Pc gaming is so bad now as far as ripping off customers, that I fully expect a an fps counter scandal, where somehow data from games start producing lower fps numbers in overlays, which will cause many to go out and buy more expensive hardware….
As a proud owner of an RX580? CCL my friend. Could care less. Ol faithful will play anything I want to this day. With the cost of graphics cards today? My next upgrade is likely to be the 5700xt. Straight from China!
Get a 6700xt instead. Better drivers are on the 2nd Gen Navi cards.
I'm with the other commenter. The 5700XT was an awesome GPU and the best value GPU I had ever owned. But if you're goint to upgrade, than get something that atleasts outperforms a 4060. You're not paying that much more fa a 6700 xt over an aliexpress 5700xt but you will get a more significant bump in performance. If you're lucky you may even find a good deal on a 6800.
@@MKIIUltRacer The only place I am likely to FIND a 6700xt where I live? Is on Aliexpress. And it will still cost me better than $500 Canadian. Besides which? I do not need 4060 performance. I'm an old man. I don't play anything more intensive than Minecraft and Factorio. My days of competitive gaming are long behind me. And quite frankly if I were not already 80% done collecting parts for an am4 ITX build? My next computer would have likely been a Mini Pc. Im running a 5700G in my system already that is perfectly capable of meeting my needs without the RX580. I only upgraded from a 2nd gen i7 last year. But I bought the 5700g specifically in case the RX580 dies on me before I can afford to replace it. I played the original Doom and Wolfenstein at 320p ffs. This APU will play anything I throw at it in 720p. Even Cyberpunk. You kids are spoiled rotten today in comparison with your 4k gaming rigs. My first computer gaming experience was PONG! And I was 17 when that first came out in 1972.
Im saving up for a new Thermaltake Tower 250 itx case now. I am hoping they come out with it in bumblebee yellow at CES, but I will take it in black if they do not. Its a scaled down version of The Tower 300 octagonal case. And its likely to retail for about $280 Canadian rubles after the blood taxes.
I already have everything else. Got a smoking good deal on an AM4 itx board on boxing day. That is compatible with the 32gb of 4000mhz ram I am running already. When Strix Halo finally winds its way onto the desktop? That is likely to be my last upgrade, if I am still around that is.
@@davefroman4700 Please don't get me wrong and am far from a spoiled kid (almost 40) who aims at 4k. I finished Cyberpunk on a laptop with a rx 5500m and enjoyed it very much. Any GPU above €400 to play single player games is to much for me. Now I do own a 7900xtx but only bought that to play ACC (racing game) with triple screens.
It was not ment as a dig but I think me and the other commenter forgot about GPU prices being different for different countries. Where I live, ordering a 5700XT from Aliexprss would cost me nearly the same as buying a brand new 4060/RX7600. It's not always about the best performance but it does become a factor when prices are similar. I would wan't to get the best bang for my buck. For me ordering a GPU from Aliexpress never really works out because the import tax and shipping costs would put it at a price point near GPU's I can buy locally that perform better.
Personally, I love the 5700XT and I think it deserves to be up there with the 1080Ti in terms of legendary GPU's. But I could not justify paying more than € 150 for both of these cards in 2025.
I have 2 computers and one has a 7800XT the other a RTX 4070 ti i am replacing that one i have a 7900XT coming i thought go for 20GB or 24 GB of vram anyway yeah a 7900XT it will take 7 to 10 days to get here for some reason.
That’s a great decision to go for more VRAM
Get a 4090, they are phenomenal still in all games
I have been playing star citizens as was shocked after turning on the on game display. 33-35gb of ram, (upgraded to 64gb due to this game) and 13-14gb of vram at 3560x1440.
Where’s this all going to end, Nvidia added cost with uplift last time round and looks set to continue that trend. If the 5080 does release at say £1400 and performance is just shy of a 4090 than it’s going to tank hard especially with the 5070 TI having very close specifications, this would also mean the 80 class price has doubled in 4 years which tbf is absolute dog 💩 As a 4080 owner I honestly can’t see the point in going to a 5080
5080 has to be 20% faster than 4090 atleast
Otherwise it won't sell well
Devs need to stop pushing visuals and just focus on optimisation and intelligent npcs, games can look amazing now and realistic thats sorted but we still have games running like crap and releasing broken, these powerful cards are great (overpriced though) but are not getting to perform properly in loads of games, the whole industry needs realigning to performance and quality, atm its just fake resolutions, fake frames, overpriced hardware, lazy/rushed development etc etc.
All I hope is that the 5070 will MSRP for 599$ , just returned my palit dual 4070 super because I hated the high temps of 80°C
80°C is a good temp for overclocked. I think 12gb vram is not enough for future gaming.
@@brunohanham3119 it was a brand new RTX 4070 Palit Dual not overclocked. It was always reaching the temp limit of 84°C when under heavy loads which is how I play singleplayer games
I wonder if it needed to be repasted.
@@west5385Buy cheap things get cheap results.
Sounds like u need better cooling or airflow in your case
I only have a Dell PC in 2000, HP PC in 2008 and my current laptop as PC GPU experience. I'm definitely relying on you and other research for knowledge on the subject.
Sounds like the new AMD laptops are going to be powah full
Does anybody else get the feeling like Nvidia and game developers met in a dark Smoke Filled Room I made a deal something along the lines of "you don't optimize games so we can sell these outrageously priced gpus and when you lose your job will hire you in our AI Department"
Probably LOL 😆 🤣 😂
What do you suggest for someone looking to upgrade from a 1080ti. have a 12700k CPU and play at 1440p high refresh rate so not really demanding.
@AyooJake the best AMD card you can afford. I personally think you will be able to maximize your performance for a reasonable cost and seeing as you will hold on to your card longer than most I think a 7900XT 7900XTX would be more than sufficient to blow your mind
@@Frogboyx1gaming Thank you bro you replied very quick. ill keep an eye out for either of those. I'm ready to take the leap to a more recent card lol.
Path tracing on the rtx 4080 was nice
Honestly anything above a rtx 2060 super is going to beat that card. I'd aim for B580 - 7700xt. Those would be my choice of cards.
@@rcrhino2148 Not true. 1080 Ti is better than a 2080.
8gb vram is a severe problem
4090's are 2k now. minimum. unless used.
Even used
Instead of an Unreal engine, where is the opposite of that?
Where is an engine that focuses on optimization, and how well it runs
over effects most could care less about that still strikes excellent visuals.
From 7800xt to 5080 will the 5080 last 6-10 years on 1440p medium ?
Yeah I've seen multiple people say 16GB of Vram is completely fine and more than enough...
Dude if I'm paying that kinda money for a new card I want 24gb minimum
Exactly my friend it will ultimately hold back another amazing card.
It is more than enough, though
@mitsuhh not for 4k gaming...I'm seeing those saying so are rtx 4080 buyer's now feeling a little buyer's remorse.
This is why I purchased a rtx 4090 with 24gb of VRAM as I knew where we were heading.
I also paid the same for that card what the leaks are asking for a rtx 5080.
@mitsuhh a rtx 4080 will pretty much be a 1440p card moving forward especially with UE5 games and the push for 4k and ray-tracing
@@mrwalker6026 Never had issues at 4K with RTX 4080
If you want a new GPU from these two manufactures, then no problem.
Will any of the new cards offer at least twice the performance of my 6750XT for $500? If no, and I don't expect them to, then I'm not buying.
I am not sure but I will upload lots of videos showcasing my gaming collection0
2x the performance will be something between 7900xt and 7900xtx. That could be 9070xt if they will release it at $500
except a 4090 costs like 2200 at least
Its what I expect of NVIDIA especially in times of no competition. Its like Intel vs AMD in 2017.
I am on a PC.... My monitor is 1440p. 4K is overkill and I am not interested in 4K
Honestly, I'm excited about this launch. I want to buy a few 5080/5090s
I think that the "5080" is just gonna be similar to 4070ti super in the current 40 series lineup. If you look at the 4070ti super it's still a really strong card even though it has half the cuda cores, 256 bit bandwidth and 16gb vram. It's pretty much nvidia's equivalent to 7900xt. When these cards came out they were only slightly better (10%) than the previous gen cards like the 3090/6900xt.
The "5080" is definitely gonna be about 40-60% worse compared to a 5090 if you look at how the 4070tis depending on game s you play compared to the 4090 and I do think you're right on the money on that take. It's just a 1440p 144 fps/4k 60fps card.
I think comes down to the pricing when it comes to the "5080", the 4070ti super and 7900xt were around 800-900 at launch. If the "5080" is around 800usd it'll be a fair price, but if it's 1.2k usd like the 4080 it's definitely overpriced since that's basically 15% perf/dollar less since the 4070tis is still 15% slower than a 4080. It also depends on how much the 5090 is gonna cost, if the 5090 is more than 50% more expensive than the "5080", the "5080" will be a better value even though it's 50% worse.
After making a great call on a used 3090, I'd recommend buying last gens 90s class cards used.
I bought a 4090 for $400 with a blown 5v fuse that cost be $0.75 to fix myself. I will do the same with the 5090 and not pay the Ngreedia tax on gpu's.
That is one heck of a deal!
What game is this ?
Outcast a new beginning
1440p + a 4090 is the best combination.
4090 for 1440 is pointless sounding
@@bombyo3634😂😂😂
It is.
Kind of overkill for standard 1440p but Ultrawide would be perfect for it.
@SCOOBYGD buys a 4k gpu and does what a non 4k gpu can do for less money. Heck I play 4070s at 4k....I want to get a 4090 for 4k. I'd trade my super for a 4090. Overkill and pointless my super is perfect for what you want. I just want 4k60 and even a 4070ti super would be good for that. So him getting a 4090 is just not smart at all. Go 4k or sell that 4090 for the 4070ti super and you ill have money left over for more games.
@@bombyo3634 Probably with RT maxed or 240 Hz.
Spot on👌. Optimisation is key in gaming
what is the game you are
playing?
Outcast a new beginning
Yeah just got it looks great on my 4090
Watch them slap something on the 5080 to make it viable. Can't wait!
It all comes down to optimisation nowdays. I have 5700X3D/4070TIS and it ran MSFS 2020 at 45-50 fps DLSS Quality, now it runs around 80fps on the same hardware and looks better than a year before. I'm tired to throw money at bed optimisation problem, epecially with UE5 being the mess it is. Maybe it's time to stop playing new AAA titles, most of them suck anyway.
its no surprise at all from NVidia, they are disgusting. They was full of BS after the 10 series cards. Their fan boys will continue to kiss their backside though as they are dumb enough to fall for it, as the saying goes, more money than sense.
The RX 9070 XT will likely be just above half the cost of an RTX 5080 and it will also likely be well above half the perform. Pricing people out of the 5080, all though we all know it will sell, pushes more people towards AMD. The real question is what the 5070 performance and price will be. That's where the majority of the market is.
if its 4080 performance it will be 30-35% behind the 5080. which is fine if its priced at $499 and the 5080 is $1,199. The 5080 isnt worth buying above $1,000 imo. not with only 16gb and a smaller uplift than 80 class cards have been getting gen on gen
Think ill just buy a 4tb SSD and a lg ultrawide curve oled for my old Asus 3080 oc 12gb seems more self peace then getting the 5080
I bet that would be a better upgrade
If you don’t like the product you don’t buy it its easy
So it’s basically 4090 or 5090 nothing less okay gotcha
All part of Nvidia's plan then
What game is played in this video? Looks good in graphics imo.
Outcast a new beginning
I thought the rx 6700xt despite being advertised as a 1440p card back when it launched was a really good investment in 1080P even modern games still perform very well. Card was definitely worth buying back then. Some games are really poorly optimized ones. Looking at you stalker.
Hell divers seems to be pretty hard to run when having more than 1 player in the match with max setting at 1080p. Frame rate fluctuates up and down a lot in the game. I noticed rx 7700xt i think performs quite a bit better and much smoother.
I think 7800XT is the best value honestly
@@Frogboyx1gaming It is but it's too high in price still considering it's using the Navi 32 die. They could have easily just not have made the 7700xt and instead replace with 7800xt and charge $50 less MSRP. Around the $450 mark.
Back in the day I had to PNY GTX 260 which had 448bbus
Honestly I just purchased the Corsair 3500X Mid tower ATX case. Just to get ready for what’s to come…
I am excited to see what is coming!
@@Frogboyx1gamingsame!
I think i have 4 to 6 years on of 1440p medium graphics on my 3080ti. Used to play on ultra and Right now i play on high with some medium for above 100 fps. I play apex on low for 144 to 200fps. I probably buy the next 6090 for 4k gaming. This Gen 5000series feels like a new experimental fase to real ray tracing game whoch is renamed pathtracing.
i would keep the 7900xtxt to see how well rdna3 gets optimized as rdna3 hasn't had much time or focus just yet
I would have kept mine but am happy to have RMAd it because of hotspot issue, 115° default temps and lately graphical artifacts, so I got a full refund and basically got a free card for two years. Buying a new XTX right now is not a good idea. Its still more expensive than the 9070 is supposed to be for the same performance.
@@voyagerdeepspaceexploration yea it will likely have more vram tho
Absolutely I will be keeping it
@@Frogboyx1gaming Thats wassup that card will likely have the most vram until udna cards
As usual, it's so much better to wait a year or two longer until the Cards exit out of beta stage, lmao.
vRam doesn't matter when you buy a top end GPU to play everything on potato.
what game is this
Outcast a new beginning
5080 looking to follow suit like the 3070. Mid range still packin the same lame VRam years later even though its supposed to be a tier above the 70 class. Expect a 6080 with the same spec. 5080 = 5070 Ti. 5070 Ti = 5070. 5070 = 5060 Ti.
More raster + vram and less rt and ai.
7900XT and 7900XTX are great value GPU's . I'm sad the AMD doesnt have enough credit in GPU market especially in the professional workspace .
I have choice than to go for Nvidia because Cuda is better than AMD stream processors in rendering .
i'm prepared for the worst but hopeful for the best. i can see Amd actually going through with their promise to gain marketshare. They're announcing their cards first so they must be confident. IF the 9070xt is actually 4080 performance for $499 that will have the 5070 beat at $599. more vram, should be 10% ahead in Raster ( probably slighlty behind in RT ) while being $100 cheaper. That should get the job done, this is if Amd doesn't botch another launch, if they price it any higher and then drop the price later on people wont care and will buy nvidia. surely they cant keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again lol. IF amd is stupid, i'll just get a 4080 second hand when start selling on the market for cheaper. So i wont be to disappointed but it would be nice to have some proper competition
4090's broke down alot, you can just lookup those videos about 4090 just go back for repair. i rather have a card that does not break down as fast as the 4090. worst card i had till to this day.
NO no no.
It will be more powerful than the 4090!
Using their new AI tech that only the 5000 will be able to use :D
Get ready to hear "AI" an awfully lot tomorrow.
Right
The 5090 is a beast
I will wait for a gpu upgrade till GTA 6 comes on pc which should be around 2026 or so , i have a huge back log to catch up on while i wait
That's a smart idea
16gb is already the destiny of fhd
16GB will be the top rdna4 card, what is dumb is Nvidia sticking 8GB vram all the way up to a 5060 Ti. 😂😂😂
Not FHD but definitely in QHD territory... the 5080 will be a $1,600 1440p GPU
16 GB is fine in theory but not on a 1400 €+ flagship. Even a 300 € Intel Arc has 12 GB, AMD will offer 16 at around 600 €. Its a ripoff. For under 1 K I would say the price and VRAM of the 5080 is justified.
What game are you playing in this video?
Outcast A new Beginning
massive open world game a little cheesy but awesome and only 29.99
@@Frogboyx1gaming they just need to upgrade the animations lol
Right. It does look a little janky but it's great
PC & consoles both suck right now. i just dont want to do it anymore!
gaming is dead... im not getting the games I WANT
well i use 4k on 32inch with 6800xt...but i use fsr quality most of the time...i play mostly singleplayer games and everything run perfectly fine 60 fps with fsr quality...only stalker 2 run poorly..but thats only poorly made game...also on 4k a lot of remasters look great also...i play now rdr1 and looks great still.sysstem shock remake looks like a new great indie game etc..also on 4k you are gpu bound..until you run stream and makes a lot of editing you can go for cheap 8 core also...on 4k you can tweak a lot of things these days...there is no better gpu like 7800xt for 500 right now...you can do 2k high refresh gaming or singleplayer 4k 60 solid gaming...if the game is better optimized..
Pc gaming is starting to turn audiophile chealer
And pc gamers deserve that
Peoples own damn fault. Stop buying.
whats that game u playing
Outcast: A New Beginning
@@masterlee1988 ok ty
Outcast a new beginning
@@Frogboyx1gaming ty
Monday will Tell it all. The only Question Really is Who that Geforce 5080 is for Miners= Nope? they are Chasing the cheap Video Cards. AI People = Nope? They are going after the Geforce 5090 32GB. Who is it for Gamers for $1,200--$1,500 your Joking right? Like I said the Gefoce 5070 Ti because it has 16GB or the RX 9070XT because it has 16GB. The 5070 12GB & 5080 16GB is a waste.
Absolutely 💯 my friend
SOLUTION DO NOT BUY NVIDIA YOU DO NOT NEED COVID SKELPING PRICES and AMD is lazy NO PRICE WARSNO FIGHT AGANST RTX 5070 5080 5090 that leaves NVIDIA with no price wars $1600 RTX 5080
Chill bro 😂
Ngreedia - This is business...
So what do you propose? What should I buy then? I want DLSS and have 2k budget. 1440p ultrawide high refresh. Should last 2 generations.
I would recommend either the AMD 7900XTX or 4070ti Super possibly a 4080 Super if you can get a good deal on it. All of these cards are very strong UW cards
@@Frogboyx1gamingtime to buy 40 series cards was 2 years ago they aren't even cheaper now. AMD doesn't offer DLSS. And they still have only 16 gb (nvidia). So 5080 16 Gb is also a good option I suppose
indiana jones is a terrible example, this game still look like hot garb compared to 2014 high end fps, even maxxed out, it definately is not the fault of the gpu that it's running this poorly
UPSCALING NEEDS TO GO BYE BYE
I mean this gpu generation wont be that great in hardware but software yes the new fsr4 for amd i wish this still gonna work for my rx 7900gre IF nôt well i probably buy new rx 9070xt IF that bé still in good price but problém is where i live we just háve new tax and now its at 25% soo😂😅😢😢😢😢yeah nvidia is out of the question forever and AMD vecoming for mé expensive as well but this year it will be even more expensive damn new tax is crazy. Also i wish games get more optimized this year cuz how mutch i hate unreal engine games the new 5.4 version promise improvements in optimization so lets hope new games no matter the engine will run better than games we hat Last year.
Regarding Unreal Engine, I hope it turns out to be true, because right now I hate this engine and its micro stuttering.
As for hardware and graphics cards, it seems that Nvidia has again gone overboard with their pricing, and instead of pure performance, they will now try to sell DLSS4 and neural rendering, and that's it. So they won't get my money.
As for AMD, it all depends on the pricing of the 9070XT - if the performance is at the level of the 7900XT and 7900XTX for a price of $500, I'll take it without hesitation.
And these words come from a guy who owns: GTX960, 1060, 2060, 3070, and today 4070Ti.
Sorry, but I don't remember the earlier models, and I've been building my computers for almost 25 years...
Software is the future
@@Frogboyx1gaming It's hard not to agree with you here, but you know-when paying hundreds or thousands of dollars, besides improvements in upscaling techniques or delays in using frame generation, I would also like to see progress in pure rasterization because software isn't everything...
@DamianSobecki-t2y exactly my friend these new cards feel like they are designed to be a consumable product
They sure know how to make money trom you everytime they want.