I think there’s some context here. If you read Paul’s letters to the early Church, he addresses how some of the newest Christians were still practicing pagan rituals, and eating food dedicated to pagan idols. Corinthians has a few of these examples.
Here’s some context 1. Idolatry and Meat Sacrificed to Idols: • 1 Corinthians 8:4-6: “So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.” 2. Participation in Pagan Feasts: • 1 Corinthians 10:14-22: “Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. […] Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.” 3. Pagan Philosophies: • Colossians 2:8: “See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.”
I prefer absolute quacks selling snake oil ideas about gay stoned christians instead of alt right dog whistlers shouting out their white purity and trans hatred
None of this has to do with Christianity it's Roman catholism This guy is going off what Homer says 😂 pagan writer that believe Greek Mythology funny JESUS CHRIST IS TRUE NOT A MYTH
Ancient civilisations and psychedelics are the Joe rogan viewers bread and butter. It’s great when he goes back to stuff like this with people like Hancock and Carlson
I enjoy history but most of these discussions and theories are unlikely to be reality it would be better if they discussed real or highly likely historical events and information because there has been some incredible discoveries that don’t require silly hypotheticals to be interesting
@LK-em1bv Christianity, Islam, or judaism dont hols any water, have no evidence, only b.s. evidence. As if you truly know what early Christians did. Catholicism destroyed your religion a long time ago. Modern Christians, including evangelicals. Spread messages of evil. But I know. You must protect your evil greatly altered religion at all cost.
If you could explain why you think this is unlikely to be reality other than the common answer of that's not what I was taught I'd love to hear it . This guy isn't a whacko. He graduated with honors from Brown University. I don't automatically believe him but I'd like to know specifically why you think none of his ideas are bases in reality.
I micro dosed mushrooms after fighting depression for over 7years, being incapable of work for the last 2years. In shot summary I became depression free within a couple of months and still I'm 6months later it saved me.
@@PrincewillNwaegbeI really get happy anytime I see people talking about dr jeffshrooom, he is the best All pure psychedelic and shrooms I get from him
This is my first ever comment on RUclips. And it's to remind you that for you to know he has comments everywhere, you must too, have been everywhere. So careful exposing yourself sir
It’s all repurposed. Literally every continent has this issue. In Miami they just unearthed an 8,000 yr old site. Pre dig they already had statues up at the mouth of the river naming it after the people. The Vatican isn’t going to release any information that’s of honest truth unless it benefits them. They are the new age library of Alexandria. The cardinal signatures to release documentation is such insanity. The first image Looks like a depiction of zodiac with 12 people in the background on that first “ritual” They are called spirits for a reason . It’d be soooooo weird if they depicted a weaver that was actually a person weaving lies as a double entendre into the fabric of society as a origin story footnote for subversion.
why are people so surprised that EVERY culture used psychedelics in religious rituals? we've been doing it since immemorial times (like South Americans folks say)
They're surprised because our current culture sees psychedelics as something fringe. The idea that psychedelics are a big part of the origins of our culture is a contradiction to this fringe view. This tension combined with the difficulty of actually providing concrete proof for historical psychedelic use, causes people to doubt these claims.
@@erikpoephoofdNot only psychedelics, but also diluted alcohol for water consumption; for millenia peoples didn't always have access to pure safe clean drinking water, so they used wine, mead, etc. and diluted it down so it is not really alcoholic and it kills all the bacteria that would be in the water. The Romans used wine obviously for this purpose and called it "posca", added some herbs, salt, and even honey and coriander to give it a nice citrus taste.
No kidding, was sort of surprised to hear this assessment as I thought it was fairly well known that they were just recognizing Passover. Also surprised I had to come down this far to see your comment. The things we take for granted I suppose
Yoooo I’ve read Brian’s book since last time u had him on and WOW the most fascinating thing I’ve ever read. It opened my mind to our sacred mind as a ppl, our collective spirit and realized the commonality of my own unintegrated visionary experiences. It showed me that we have been having the same exact experience for millennia allowing me understand myself in the context of the whole. Thank you Brian for the transcendent writing. Can’t wait for ur next one 😇❤️🌍
This book really opened my mind more! I've done plenty of psychedelics and this book gave me more of an understanding of my experiences and what the anciens experienced doing a mystery. I look forward to hearing another book from Brian too!
It's been 3 years since I tried psychedelics like the psilocybin or DMT, can't find a plug anywhere in my area. Back then, We used one of those vaporizers with the big bags. The first time I didn't do enough and I just seen shapes and colours. But the second time I managed to get another hit in before I got the light headed. I remember floating above the country side flying and then all of a sudden I zoomed down into a deer and went right inside of it and I was the veins and the blood and flowing through this deers body. It was very strange lol
The experience I had is unexplainable it's out of the world, it got my mind of anxiety and healing prosperities of DMTand other psychedelic products are underrated, you don't have to be skeptical about the use of psychedelic products like magic mushroom and more, you'll get clarity and an open mind
Jamie should definitely be setting guests like this up with HDMI / USB-C. I thought about this with Sam Altman or The Zucc, I'm sure they have cool demos they could show off
The title might be a slight exaggeration and the guest admits as much...the frescos depict what appears to be some form of Greek/Pagan/Christian hyrbid ceremony rather than a depiction of some early form of pure Christianity.
Thank you! This is not Christianity at all, but instead, the beginning of catholic paganism and the Romans apostatization of Christianity into Roman Catholicism
@@MRios1128to say it’s “not Christianity at all” isn’t logical. What Christianity is or isn’t, at any given point, is a matter of debate and opinion. Also, Christianity borrowing from pagan or philosophical tradition, being influenced by it, would not necessarily make it false.
Not only that, this is from the 3RD century!! 200 years from the time of Christ. It is no secret pagan alternatives to Christianity rose. In 200+ years you'll get many different schools of thought.
@@plantnoviceIt is not opinion at all what Christianity is or isn't, for the Holy Scriptures and the Lord Christ tell us EXACTLY what it is. Revelation 22:18-19 : I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
This was likely from pagans who became Christian and didn't completely give up their pagan practices. We're specifically instructed in scripture over and over again to maintain a sober mind. Below are some examples. 1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: 1 Peter 1:13 - Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; Titus 2:12 - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 1 Peter 4:7 - But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. 1 Timothy 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Titus 2:2 - That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. Titus 2:6 - Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded. Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
It's crazy back then what people back then were willing to give up to continue believing their faith. It is as if they cannot live without it, like the existential agony of existence, which religion alleviates, is more painful than torture for months or getting crucified to death is insane to think about.
I've listened to his book 2 times. I love his voice too. The information is easy to understand. Great learning and exploring a new look that's been hidden for too long.
should be pretty clear... Jesus wanted us to have compassion for one another and ourselves... so that we could be closer to god who is the Almighty Ruler of all Creation and his name is love
For context early Christian Cults separated out from main stream due to Gnosticism. This is going to show you all kind of crazy variants of Christianity and definitely would fit the bill with psychedelic usage. Just because you see some examples does not mean this was the pattern or consistent rule of thumb for faithful churches following Jesus. But it sure is damn fun to listen to🤷🏻♂️😘✅🔔
Lucifer works quickly… gnosticism just reeks of the spirit of Lucifer, only way I can describe it succinctly. Don’t be fooled guys, Christ is the true light bringer
It is fascinating to look into the history of psychedelic mushrooms. I did a few videos on this. There was an ancient cult centered around these mushrooms. On my channel, I review John Allegro's controversial book, "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", published in 1970. Allegro's book caused an outage among Christians with his theories regarding the red and white Amanita Muscaria mushroom. His work is intriguing and controversial.
No. I have a very small channel, and I only do videos to get the information out there for those who are interested. I was just disappointed that in this interview nothing was mentioned about psychedelic mushrooms.@@joshuagibson2520
Brian has such a Saint Joe's Prep accent. It is really funny how each high school in and around Philly has its own accent that sticks with people throughout the rest of their lives.
This dude seems a genuine delight, just wants to chat and inform and seems so happy to be there, so wholesome! I love this, he’s very interesting too, very informative! What episode is this?
The best example of a Hypogeum is on Malta. It’s prehistoric in origin. Hypogeum’s everywhere may trace back to Lascaux cave and others, paintings at 17,000 BP. The artwork expresses a great depth of spiritual involvement. More recently, who can’t see the mirroring of Isis suckling baby Horus and the classic Madonna and baby Jesus. Continuity
the slide your guest pulls up at 12:32 in the video. the loom and the lady. if you turn it 90 degrees to the right. you can clearly see a face! i wish i could share the screenshot i took. weird. is that the vatican copy. the lighter one on the right??
Same, its one of my favorite topics, as there's just an insurmountable amount of things to learn about, and its all interesting, especially when you get into the "butterfly events" that subsequently create other events. And that's just of the written events that we know of, now imagine the 10's of thousands worth of information that we will, very sadly, never know about!😥
The loom has always been associated with fate. My interpretation is that there was an idea to have 11 friends of a recently deceased go underground with the body and get wasted one last time. Three days later the party ended and the men turned back to humans after being pigs due to intoxication
So you’re posititing about nightshade hallucinogens right? This is where the “underworld” archetype comes from after-all, not to mention the multi-day length trips as well.
@@Ryan88881 there is no mention of hallucinogens, was there? Knowledge was passed down in story form. Probably best to pass down an interesting story rather than a boring one. The Greek stories are probably the most entertaining and explained the world.
@@calamfischer7009 You said "get wasted" and of course hallucinogens (nightshades like belladonna) were mentioned in both Greek and Roman mythos so idk what you mean by "no mention". Are you talking about your own statement? Because 3 day-long trips, zoanthropy, catacomb-based rituals, etc... Nightshades are written all over this. Nobody even comes up with such ridiculous and lofty notions or ideas for something like *catacombs* without chthonic tropane-based nightshades being clearly linked to it. I think you've just gotten numb to preset bodies of traditions and lore and think humans just naturally start this weird ritual shit without psychoactives or influence from other societies/cultures that did. Well spoiler alert; they don't. "Probably best to pass down an interesting story rather than a boring one." Are you really saying what I think you're saying? Because ancient Greeks and Romans *not* using hallucinogens isn't even a real theory. We already know full-well they did use them. The "theoretical" part here is whether or not Mycenaean and/or ancient Roman occult rites were transferred to early Christians. Also passing down a story because it's interesting.... You're real cute lol. I've been researching world history for a while now, as well as mythopoetic etiology and.. that's just not how that works. This is totally an example of projecting modern-day norms/modalities onto ancient civilizations in the most ostentatious fashion possible. You realize the ancient Greco-Roman world was before even the Middle Ages right? Do you have any idea how people in theological/magico-religious circles conducted themselves back then?
@@calamfischer7009 Also I actually meant to say 'Hellenistic' rather than Mycenaean specifically here but it doesn't really matter because Mycenaean mythos/religion was the precursor to Hellenistic religion anyways, and the precursor for Mycenaean religion was Minoan religion from the island of Crete. And yes, the Minoans used drugs in rituals as well because back then that's what "ritual" basically meant well over 90% of the time. Not using that as the metric or justification here but just trying to put things into perspective for you. Also, for what it's worth mandrake is mentioned twice in the Bible itself but that's beside the point.
@@Ryan88881 I've never heard of belladonna being for pleasure. Great poison tho. Doesn't make sense to use an easy way to OD when they knew about ergot. I wasn't alive back then so I dont know the exact day to days of thier lives but they did leave behind some cool stories. I have a theory that they used Medusa to explain south america. Griffins to explain north america. Cerberus for Australia and new Zealand. Atlas for Antarctica. And that's just what makes sense at first look. If you can wrap your head around that. Cool stories... Lol Maybe chemically altered or knowledge is power and the best way to pass down knowledge was with stories. Considering we still know these stories even today. Not boring stories
The type of practices Brian is describing is well known among bible history scholars as pagan integration with early Christianity as per passages where St Paul condemns them like 1Cor8. I remember learning this stuff in high school. Still cool bit of history though.
More psychedelic videos Joe, please. I feel like psychedelics are a topic so orthogonal to other controversial topics (COVID, LGBTQ, vaccines, Ukraine, Hamas, etc) today that it could create more unity and make dissenting minds interact and converse more.
@@LK-em1bv : I will do the best I can if you have a question about history, but this podcast also included Archeology, animal behavior, Greece, archaeo-botany/chemistry/Christianity some information on wine/beer/psychedelics and an interesting reflection on cultural thoughts regarding Bigfoot to UFOs. I will defer on those matters to others more qualified than myself, but if you have a question in history to ask, go ahead!🤔🧐💭
The Catholic mass is the last supper which is the ceremony of cups celebrated during Passover. This is obvious to any Catholic and is not derived from any Roman thing.
Tropical cichlids are a species of African fresh water fish. I believe they have been documented evolving into new subspecies in a hand full of generations. They live in a highly competitive environment forcing them to capitalise. Goes to show you how rapid organism can evolve under certain conditions. Maybe mammals can do something similar. Kinda interesting
I hope he's okay actually looks different to me for some reason, gotten weird talks about what's happening on the other side of the world that should be keeping you up at night
From a a Christian perspective, the only thing that concerns me with this narrative, as he pointed out as being odd, is why would the Catholic Church preserve this obviously anti christian artifact? These findings are certainly historical, and no doubt very interesting, but we all know that 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century Christianity is rife with heretical and obscure cults and unbiblical beliefs/doctrines and traditions that arose and formed into their own religions. These findings only further support that hypothesis and do nothing to delegitimize actual Christianity, as all of the things mentioned in this video are clearly pagan and anti-Christian.
And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger. II Kings 17:17
I do feel like Joe Rogan has gone back to talking about psychedelics and the possibility of aliens. I miss all the fun topics, even though occasionally it's cool to really get to know a movie star.
Drug use was very common in the old world. The word assassin comes from a group of skilled killers in the 1100s. To cope with the lifestyle they used a lot of hash. They became known as the hashshshin because of their hash use. Eventually the word morphed into assassin.
This was early Christianity wether you like it or not. It was chaotic with no structure. Paul’s ideology gained traction in time but it is just as outlandish and contradicting to Judaism and Jesus teachings.
3:11 what happened to this tradition? I would totally be into that and yes I am a Christian. Let's just to the morgue, drink psychedelic wine, and celebrate the ushering of the dead into the new life. I mean this is similar to early Halloween or Samhain. I'm bringing it back. These are my kind of people
That's a whole other thing. Samhain/Halloween is far more commensurate with the tropes of nightshade hallucinogens (natural deliriants) not psychedelics. At best it could be viewed as a healthy composite of both but the real 'magical', witchy, chthonic, ghostly and daemonic (not demonic) stuff comes from the nightshade realms.
@@jesseknox9322 Yeah basically to sum it up: Nightshades: Witchcraft/Sorcery/Malice Psychedelics: Shamanism/Spirituality/Gnosis Granted I'm oversimplifying and nightshades are still big in shamanism and psychedelics have strangely enough been used for sorcery in the Americas but that's basically what it comes down to. Daemonic in this sense just meaning of a "lesser divinity". Sort of a formidable demigod. Reflective of "daemons" in Greco-Roman world rather than in Christianity. Nothing really to do with Hell or purgatory or Lucifer, rather just "the underworld" and they're somewhat like what Gnostics would refer to as the "demiurge". They're associated with ghosts and "creatures" of the underworld but this predates and goes far beyond the very specific meaning this has in Christian mythos/theology. I've done both and mushrooms takes you to "hyperspace" which is more divine and heavenly and cosmic. Datura (and other nightshades) take you to the underworld though and it doesn't come off as cosmic, but not necessarily terrestrial either. But it feels closer to the terrestrial realm if that makes any sense and it's a pretty plant-oriented vibe and it's very much so about malice and self-interest and cunningness and plants, poisons, herbal concoctions, conjuring, necromancy, water, rainfall, moonlight, sacrality, blood, creatures, daemons, ghosts, magic and sorcery, power, etc. It was actually quite lofty and fantastical. No sense of altruism but there was hints of asceticism but in the sense of ordeal and balefulness. Dementia, madness and sundowning.
@@brandongough4766 Some people are for sure more presented and qualified than others appearing here but I feel most everyone who comes on shares what they value and appreciate which can qualify them as an expert in my opinion idk 🤷♂️
This guy is wrong about the institution of the Lord’s supper. It was instituted to remember the sacrifice of Jesus, it had nothing to do with remembering his resurrection.
I think there’s some context here. If you read Paul’s letters to the early Church, he addresses how some of the newest Christians were still practicing pagan rituals, and eating food dedicated to pagan idols. Corinthians has a few of these examples.
Here’s some context
1. Idolatry and Meat Sacrificed to Idols:
• 1 Corinthians 8:4-6:
“So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.” For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”), yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.”
2. Participation in Pagan Feasts:
• 1 Corinthians 10:14-22:
“Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. […] Do I mean then that food sacrificed to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.”
3. Pagan Philosophies:
• Colossians 2:8:
“See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.”
Paul’s ideology of Christianity is no different.
Correct. Paul the Apostle was almost definitely addressing these practices in this video.
There are always ofshoots in the beginning of religion that mix and do their own thing.
I think this actually be one of the examples that Paul was referring to in 1st Corinthians 8:1-13
Vintage Joe Rogan content that we’ve all been missing
He went from giving a voice to everyone to riding the wave of alt-right "celebrities"
@@emilianoschnider2800he became a sort of “Qtard spokesman”
@@emilianoschnider2800 What? Must be privy to some other 'cool kids club' than the rest of us
@@emilianoschnider2800 alt right ahahahaha
I prefer absolute quacks selling snake oil ideas about gay stoned christians instead of alt right dog whistlers shouting out their white purity and trans hatred
Brian Muraresku is an amazing guest. So glad to see him back on.
Yo what's up afterskool. Keep it up
❤ Love the channel
No, he is not. He is covering up the actual history. The psychedelic ritual is GREEK, and pagan Roman.
Yup 💙
None of this has to do with Christianity it's Roman catholism This guy is going off what Homer says 😂 pagan writer that believe Greek Mythology funny JESUS CHRIST IS TRUE NOT A MYTH
This is the JRE content I listen to. So rare these days
😂 simp
@voice2skull. Tf does that even mean 🤡 I agree joe gets bimbo
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He’s at least somewhat mixing this stuff back in, for a while it was so much politics which I’m just so sick of.
Ancient civilisations and psychedelics are the Joe rogan viewers bread and butter. It’s great when he goes back to stuff like this with people like Hancock and Carlson
Except it doesn’t hold any water
I enjoy history but most of these discussions and theories are unlikely to be reality
it would be better if they discussed real or highly likely historical events and information because there has been some incredible discoveries that don’t require silly hypotheticals to be interesting
@@LK-em1bv This^
@LK-em1bv Christianity, Islam, or judaism dont hols any water, have no evidence, only b.s. evidence.
As if you truly know what early Christians did.
Catholicism destroyed your religion a long time ago. Modern Christians, including evangelicals. Spread messages of evil.
But I know. You must protect your evil greatly altered religion at all cost.
If you could explain why you think this is unlikely to be reality other than the common answer of that's not what I was taught I'd love to hear it . This guy isn't a whacko. He graduated with honors from Brown University. I don't automatically believe him but I'd like to know specifically why you think none of his ideas are bases in reality.
I micro dosed mushrooms after fighting depression for over 7years, being incapable of work for the last 2years.
In shot summary I became depression free within a couple of months and still I'm 6months later it saved me.
I have been looking to get my hands on mushrooms since growing isn't an option for me Anyone know where I can get the source??_
@@KevinsJonathanyes he's dr.jeffshroom
@@PrincewillNwaegbeI really get happy anytime I see people talking about dr jeffshrooom, he is the best All pure psychedelic and shrooms I get from him
@@ThomasBurlson-m5rDMT was the best trip I had though my first time was crazy but the second
@@SuvariBoorish-yh3rjHow can I locate him?if he's on insta?❤
Brian is back!! He is One of my alltime favourites
You mean Brian redban
@@GovernorRiffRaff No one means Brian "I'm gonna make it" Redban
@@louispconstant6624 Olive Garden
I find listening to Brian very therapeutic for some reason… dude has this calm yet gripping way of talking … amazing
I see JRE psychedelic christian ritual content, I click. Simple.
Facts 😂
Amen! This is the Way!
Amen
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Something tells me if Joe had time machine, he would go to Ancient Rome for scientific purposes
Something tells me you do nothing but watch RUclips. Based on seeing your comments EVERYWHERE.
@@joshuagibson2520FACTS. WITH HIS GAY HEISENBERG BS
This is my first ever comment on RUclips. And it's to remind you that for you to know he has comments everywhere, you must too, have been everywhere. So careful exposing yourself sir
@@edwardboult6168haha. Self report.
@@joshuagibson2520What a rattled loser
Its hilarious to me that italy and greece have a legit problem with businesses expanding and finding ancient ruins during the construction.
Agree, that’s so wild.
The cost of living in the shadow of ancient Greeks and the Romans
@@big.gib.4Lsuffering from success
British museum 2
It’s all repurposed. Literally every continent has this issue. In Miami they just unearthed an 8,000 yr old site. Pre dig they already had statues up at the mouth of the river naming it after the people. The Vatican isn’t going to release any information that’s of honest truth unless it benefits them. They are the new age library of Alexandria. The cardinal signatures to release documentation is such insanity.
The first image Looks like a depiction of zodiac with 12 people in the background on that first “ritual”
They are called spirits for a reason .
It’d be soooooo weird if they depicted a weaver that was actually a person weaving lies as a double entendre into the fabric of society as a origin story footnote for subversion.
why are people so surprised that EVERY culture used psychedelics in religious rituals? we've been doing it since immemorial times (like South Americans folks say)
Who’s surprised?
They're surprised because our current culture sees psychedelics as something fringe. The idea that psychedelics are a big part of the origins of our culture is a contradiction to this fringe view. This tension combined with the difficulty of actually providing concrete proof for historical psychedelic use, causes people to doubt these claims.
@@erikpoephoofdNot only psychedelics, but also diluted alcohol for water consumption; for millenia peoples didn't always have access to pure safe clean drinking water, so they used wine, mead, etc. and diluted it down so it is not really alcoholic and it kills all the bacteria that would be in the water. The Romans used wine obviously for this purpose and called it "posca", added some herbs, salt, and even honey and coriander to give it a nice citrus taste.
Whoever wrote the book of Revelations had to be on some psychedelics.
The “prototype” of the mass is not the Roman’s but the Jewish Passover feast which Jesus and his apostles celebrated which Jesus renewed.
No kidding, was sort of surprised to hear this assessment as I thought it was fairly well known that they were just recognizing Passover. Also surprised I had to come down this far to see your comment.
The things we take for granted I suppose
Well, saturnalia became Christmas, so he isn't so far off......
That's the official story at any rate. Sometimes, I think Christians have more in common with Greek, Norse, and Celtic myth than Judaism.
@@randomcomment6068and Easter is Eastre, Halloween is Samhien, etc.
Also Christmas has alot of Yule in it as well.
@radagast7200 you still believe that? That’s like middle school level stuff.
Yoooo I’ve read Brian’s book since last time u had him on and WOW the most fascinating thing I’ve ever read. It opened my mind to our sacred mind as a ppl, our collective spirit and realized the commonality of my own unintegrated visionary experiences. It showed me that we have been having the same exact experience for millennia allowing me understand myself in the context of the whole. Thank you Brian for the transcendent writing. Can’t wait for ur next one 😇❤️🌍
This book really opened my mind more! I've done plenty of psychedelics and this book gave me more of an understanding of my experiences and what the anciens experienced doing a mystery. I look forward to hearing another book from Brian too!
Nice word salad. Lacks sustenance tho.
@@ashwoodsmashgood Be kind,be better
What is the authors name and what's the book titled? Very interested
Finally, some good JRE content worth watching again.
Agreed, too much politics and boring MMA stuff lately
Amen
This is the JRE content I’ve missed dearly.
😂😂 simp
Truly
@@voice2skull.Only incels would call someone that for know reason 🙄
@@djrampantuk”know reason” really?💀🙄
This comment thread is aids you’re all wrong or using incorrect terminology, or atleast not relevant yet think it is
One of, if not my all time favorite JRE was the first time this guy was on. Looking forward to listening to this one
These are certainly better than the mma episodes
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All subjective
It's been 3 years since I tried psychedelics like the psilocybin or DMT, can't find a plug anywhere in my area. Back then, We used one of those vaporizers with the big bags. The first time I didn't do enough and I just seen shapes and colours. But the second time I managed to get another hit in before I got the light headed. I remember floating above the country side flying and then all of a sudden I zoomed down into a deer and went right inside of it and I was the veins and the blood and flowing through this deers body. It was very strange lol
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Ships psychedelics
@@userconspiracynuthow can I reach out??
Is it Instagram?
Yeah, he has variety of stuffs like mushrooms, LSD, DMT, MDMA even the chocolate bars
The experience I had is unexplainable it's out of the world, it got my mind of anxiety and healing prosperities of DMTand other psychedelic products are underrated, you don't have to be skeptical about the use of psychedelic products like magic mushroom and more, you'll get clarity and an open mind
Jamie should definitely be setting guests like this up with HDMI / USB-C. I thought about this with Sam Altman or The Zucc, I'm sure they have cool demos they could show off
The title might be a slight exaggeration and the guest admits as much...the frescos depict what appears to be some form of Greek/Pagan/Christian hyrbid ceremony rather than a depiction of some early form of pure Christianity.
Thank you! This is not Christianity at all, but instead, the beginning of catholic paganism and the Romans apostatization of Christianity into Roman Catholicism
@@MRios1128to say it’s “not Christianity at all” isn’t logical. What Christianity is or isn’t, at any given point, is a matter of debate and opinion. Also, Christianity borrowing from pagan or philosophical tradition, being influenced by it, would not necessarily make it false.
Not only that, this is from the 3RD century!! 200 years from the time of Christ. It is no secret pagan alternatives to Christianity rose. In 200+ years you'll get many different schools of thought.
Interesting... christianity becoming diluted is something that is often talked about in Islamic scripture. Need an episode 2 to link the dots!
@@plantnoviceIt is not opinion at all what Christianity is or isn't, for the Holy Scriptures and the Lord Christ tell us EXACTLY what it is.
Revelation 22:18-19 : I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
This was likely from pagans who became Christian and didn't completely give up their pagan practices. We're specifically instructed in scripture over and over again to maintain a sober mind. Below are some examples.
1 Peter 5:8 - Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
1 Peter 1:13 - Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
Titus 2:12 - Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
1 Peter 4:7 - But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1 Timothy 3:2 - A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Titus 2:2 - That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.
Titus 2:6 - Young men likewise exhort to be sober minded.
Ephesians 5:18 - And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;
It's crazy back then what people back then were willing to give up to continue believing their faith. It is as if they cannot live without it, like the existential agony of existence, which religion alleviates, is more painful than torture for months or getting crucified to death is insane to think about.
First time I’ve ever seen Joe saying “I love talking to you”
Three of my favorite things: Rome, Christianity and psychedelics
Lmao
Rome . . . Why Rom, may I ask?
I've listened to his book 2 times. I love his voice too. The information is easy to understand. Great learning and exploring a new look that's been hidden for too long.
What's the name of the book?? And his name lol sorry but very interested in checking him out!
@@dylanasbury2663 ESA sesas sese ss
Why does this whole line of inquiry make me smile?
I knew this would be a good podcast when I saw the length of it. This is Joe in his element and Brian was a great guest
Matthew 15:11 "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person."
should be pretty clear... Jesus wanted us to have compassion for one another and ourselves... so that we could be closer to god who is the Almighty Ruler of all Creation and his name is love
@@PeterFnPorker👏🙏 Well said!
@@Ayo-zz6gq jesus spoke through me, thank him ♥
@@PeterFnPorkerno he didnt, because he isnt real. you may want to get checked out for schizophrenia
@@user-sy9ur6of8t you might want to search your soul ♥️
For context early Christian Cults separated out from main stream due to Gnosticism. This is going to show you all kind of crazy variants of Christianity and definitely would fit the bill with psychedelic usage. Just because you see some examples does not mean this was the pattern or consistent rule of thumb for faithful churches following Jesus. But it sure is damn fun to listen to🤷🏻♂️😘✅🔔
Lucifer works quickly… gnosticism just reeks of the spirit of Lucifer, only way I can describe it succinctly. Don’t be fooled guys, Christ is the true light bringer
Well clearly the mainstream one today aren't all that perfect and pretty much pointless
I rather be high at church then listen to repeated sermons that tbh are boring
@@deflategate1297 lol u gotta be 16 years old
@@ReyFelipe00id say the opposite is true if you actually read the bible and take it literally
It is fascinating to look into the history of psychedelic mushrooms. I did a few videos on this. There was an ancient cult centered around these mushrooms. On my channel, I review John Allegro's controversial book, "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross", published in 1970. Allegro's book caused an outage among Christians with his theories regarding the red and white Amanita Muscaria mushroom. His work is intriguing and controversial.
Wait. Are you fishing for subs here?
Hit me up with the link please!
No. I have a very small channel, and I only do videos to get the information out there for those who are interested. I was just disappointed that in this interview nothing was mentioned about psychedelic mushrooms.@@joshuagibson2520
@@joshuagibson2520nothing wrong with an advert if the subject matter he refers you to is relative to the original video
@@skipthemiddleman7892 ruclips.net/video/bzmq_P-_d4U/видео.html
This is why we love Joe Rogan.
@mirjinou7999get a job. Bum.
@mirjinou7999 it is not happening, I will report you for scamming.
You love Joe Rogan?
@@siedlikolol love it
@mirjinou7999get a job
Been waiting for Brian to be back! Such a good guest
own this guys book....amazing, keep going Brian! Was in Greece and loved the Dionysus take! Kukon underrated :)
YES!!! He is back. Immortality Key is one of my top 5 books ever. Keep it up Brian!
The Immortality Key, not ring
But yeah ☺️
Ring?
HAHA my bad!! got to excited! @@adamjohnson286
Brian has such a Saint Joe's Prep accent. It is really funny how each high school in and around Philly has its own accent that sticks with people throughout the rest of their lives.
You're the best Joe! Thank you for these fascinating guests! 🙏
Oh man, this is like a gift. The best kind of episode from Uncle Rogan!
Love this stuff, thank you JRE, pure knowledge!
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Pure nonsense
Love this content. I feel like I’ve been seeing mostly comedians/entertainers these days.
Hmmm on a comedians podcast? You don't say.
YES FINALLY! BRIAN IS BACK
Average day of Joe trying not to find psychedelics everywhere
Law of attraction type shit 🤣🔥
This dude seems a genuine delight, just wants to chat and inform and seems so happy to be there, so wholesome! I love this, he’s very interesting too, very informative! What episode is this?
"Can I show you some images of paleo-Christian rituals?" Is the #1 way to my heart and soul
Joe Rogan: "Hey Jaime, pull up that video of a bear on psychedelics fighting ancient Rome."
😂
Brian Muraresku is awesome!
Excited to listen to this full episode. Really liked his episode last time.
Mr. Muraresku book is excellent!
Been missing vintage Joe Rogan content like this
just finished reading the immortality key, cant wait to hear this podcast
No audio on this video. Fixed quick. Nice job lol.
Literally rewatched the old Brian episode yesterday.
The best example of a Hypogeum is on Malta. It’s prehistoric in origin. Hypogeum’s everywhere may trace back to Lascaux cave and others, paintings at 17,000 BP. The artwork expresses a great depth of spiritual involvement. More recently, who can’t see the mirroring of Isis suckling baby Horus and the classic Madonna and baby Jesus. Continuity
Love it when I go on break and some new JRE drops
This is the old studio
Great another one I have to move to Spotify to watch eventually
Nvm kinda boring
Been waiting for this legend to come back on!
the slide your guest pulls up at 12:32 in the video. the loom and the lady. if you turn it 90 degrees to the right. you can clearly see a face! i wish i could share the screenshot i took. weird. is that the vatican copy. the lighter one on the right??
I would I have enjoyed my religion class so much more in school if I had him as a teacher lol
@@Michael-ix8ffDruggy
And history class! This stuff is much more intriguing and mysterious than most of the textbook stuff we were served up in high school
Yeah but he’d be fired for sure though 😂
I was just thinking he has a way of making it not so off putting and actually engaging and interesting.
others: the world is ending
joe: give me some mushroom
Everyone should read his book. Covers way more than 2 podcast can.
Does anybody else not have any audio for this video?
I didn't first try . Either way, Joe Rogan is a mute.
Oh but yes, audio works now
Im a simple man i see joe rogan and ancient times … i click
Great stuff joe always delivers
Same, its one of my favorite topics, as there's just an insurmountable amount of things to learn about, and its all interesting, especially when you get into the "butterfly events" that subsequently create other events.
And that's just of the written events that we know of, now imagine the 10's of thousands worth of information that we will, very sadly, never know about!😥
Can anybody time stamp where they showed evidence of early Christian psychedelic rituals? I must be missing it...
The loom has always been associated with fate.
My interpretation is that there was an idea to have 11 friends of a recently deceased go underground with the body and get wasted one last time. Three days later the party ended and the men turned back to humans after being pigs due to intoxication
So you’re posititing about nightshade hallucinogens right? This is where the “underworld” archetype comes from after-all, not to mention the multi-day length trips as well.
@@Ryan88881 there is no mention of hallucinogens, was there? Knowledge was passed down in story form. Probably best to pass down an interesting story rather than a boring one.
The Greek stories are probably the most entertaining and explained the world.
@@calamfischer7009 You said "get wasted" and of course hallucinogens (nightshades like belladonna) were mentioned in both Greek and Roman mythos so idk what you mean by "no mention". Are you talking about your own statement? Because 3 day-long trips, zoanthropy, catacomb-based rituals, etc... Nightshades are written all over this. Nobody even comes up with such ridiculous and lofty notions or ideas for something like *catacombs* without chthonic tropane-based nightshades being clearly linked to it. I think you've just gotten numb to preset bodies of traditions and lore and think humans just naturally start this weird ritual shit without psychoactives or influence from other societies/cultures that did. Well spoiler alert; they don't.
"Probably best to pass down an interesting story rather than a boring one."
Are you really saying what I think you're saying? Because ancient Greeks and Romans *not* using hallucinogens isn't even a real theory. We already know full-well they did use them. The "theoretical" part here is whether or not Mycenaean and/or ancient Roman occult rites were transferred to early Christians.
Also passing down a story because it's interesting.... You're real cute lol. I've been researching world history for a while now, as well as mythopoetic etiology and.. that's just not how that works. This is totally an example of projecting modern-day norms/modalities onto ancient civilizations in the most ostentatious fashion possible. You realize the ancient Greco-Roman world was before even the Middle Ages right? Do you have any idea how people in theological/magico-religious circles conducted themselves back then?
@@calamfischer7009 Also I actually meant to say 'Hellenistic' rather than Mycenaean specifically here but it doesn't really matter because Mycenaean mythos/religion was the precursor to Hellenistic religion anyways, and the precursor for Mycenaean religion was Minoan religion from the island of Crete. And yes, the Minoans used drugs in rituals as well because back then that's what "ritual" basically meant well over 90% of the time. Not using that as the metric or justification here but just trying to put things into perspective for you. Also, for what it's worth mandrake is mentioned twice in the Bible itself but that's beside the point.
@@Ryan88881 I've never heard of belladonna being for pleasure. Great poison tho. Doesn't make sense to use an easy way to OD when they knew about ergot.
I wasn't alive back then so I dont know the exact day to days of thier lives but they did leave behind some cool stories. I have a theory that they used Medusa to explain south america. Griffins to explain north america. Cerberus for Australia and new Zealand. Atlas for Antarctica. And that's just what makes sense at first look. If you can wrap your head around that. Cool stories... Lol
Maybe chemically altered or knowledge is power and the best way to pass down knowledge was with stories. Considering we still know these stories even today. Not boring stories
Been rereading this book for a school project and this podcast came out at a perfect time
This guy spoke a dozen words I’ve never heard of in my life in the first 2 minutes lol
The type of practices Brian is describing is well known among bible history scholars as pagan integration with early Christianity as per passages where St Paul condemns them like 1Cor8. I remember learning this stuff in high school.
Still cool bit of history though.
More psychedelic videos Joe, please.
I feel like psychedelics are a topic so orthogonal to other controversial topics (COVID, LGBTQ, vaccines, Ukraine, Hamas, etc) today that it could create more unity and make dissenting minds interact and converse more.
The early Christians viewed the Eucharist as something important to worship. The real presence of Jesus in the Eucharist
Keep the fascinating history coming please!😎
Do you research historical events and discoveries or just the joe Rogen historians
@@LK-em1bv : I will do the best I can if you have a question about history, but this podcast also included Archeology, animal behavior, Greece, archaeo-botany/chemistry/Christianity some information on wine/beer/psychedelics and an interesting reflection on cultural thoughts regarding Bigfoot to UFOs. I will defer on those matters to others more qualified than myself, but if you have a question in history to ask, go ahead!🤔🧐💭
@@LK-em1bv : ???
Jaimie was sassy that day
I was hoping Joe would give him the famous "stay in your place" side-eye
The Catholic mass is the last supper which is the ceremony of cups celebrated during Passover. This is obvious to any Catholic and is not derived from any Roman thing.
“Thank you Vatican, I take back All the shit I said” hysterical 😂
Tropical cichlids are a species of African fresh water fish. I believe they have been documented evolving into new subspecies in a hand full of generations. They live in a highly competitive environment forcing them to capitalise. Goes to show you how rapid organism can evolve under certain conditions. Maybe mammals can do something similar. Kinda interesting
5:12 Jamie, your tabs stress me out!
😂
I hope he's okay actually looks different to me for some reason, gotten weird talks about what's happening on the other side of the world that should be keeping you up at night
Who? Joe or Brian?
Hands Down best podcast ever😳Just wow🔥
From a a Christian perspective, the only thing that concerns me with this narrative, as he pointed out as being odd, is why would the Catholic Church preserve this obviously anti christian artifact? These findings are certainly historical, and no doubt very interesting, but we all know that 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century Christianity is rife with heretical and obscure cults and unbiblical beliefs/doctrines and traditions that arose and formed into their own religions. These findings only further support that hypothesis and do nothing to delegitimize actual Christianity, as all of the things mentioned in this video are clearly pagan and anti-Christian.
Have you read " Occult Renaissance Church of Rome "" by Michael Hoffman ? They strayed quite a lot during history ...
Well said
And they caused their sons and daughters to pass through the fire, practiced witchcraft and soothsaying, and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the Lord, to provoke Him to anger.
II Kings 17:17
I do feel like Joe Rogan has gone back to talking about psychedelics and the possibility of aliens. I miss all the fun topics, even though occasionally it's cool to really get to know a movie star.
Thank you Joe⚡️
These guys have the best chemistry. A very enjoyable episode, and interesting as hell
Terence and Dennis McKenna have entered the chat.
Drug use was very common in the old world. The word assassin comes from a group of skilled killers in the 1100s. To cope with the lifestyle they used a lot of hash. They became known as the hashshshin because of their hash use. Eventually the word morphed into assassin.
That's not true. lol, assassins were originally called hashashim, but that's also just derogatory slang for potheads
Ah, it makes sense why the hash slinging slasher is called this then.
Jamie be sounding fed up 😂😂
Get Inspiring Philosophy on here to debunk this. 😂
I hope he does one day but Joe isn’t too charitable towards Christianity but we can only hope 😂
This was early Christianity wether you like it or not. It was chaotic with no structure. Paul’s ideology gained traction in time but it is just as outlandish and contradicting to Judaism and Jesus teachings.
Very bias
Please invite Bishop Barron on your show. He is up for it.
Truly interesting. Good to hear some history in the midsts of chaos haha
yeah theres no history between israel and palestine as interesting as this XD
I just loved your Guns N’ Roses story. You guys are awesome. I just love you. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤both
Great book can't wait for the next one.
i always visit joe coz of this kinds of topics, thank you!
3:11 what happened to this tradition? I would totally be into that and yes I am a Christian. Let's just to the morgue, drink psychedelic wine, and celebrate the ushering of the dead into the new life. I mean this is similar to early Halloween or Samhain.
I'm bringing it back. These are my kind of people
Sorry to say but real Christian’s don’t glorify this type of stuff.
That's a whole other thing. Samhain/Halloween is far more commensurate with the tropes of nightshade hallucinogens (natural deliriants) not psychedelics. At best it could be viewed as a healthy composite of both but the real 'magical', witchy, chthonic, ghostly and daemonic (not demonic) stuff comes from the nightshade realms.
@@seb.htc906 Don't glorify history? You just really set yourself up for that one lol
@Ryan88881 oh that's interesting. Nightshade realms. I'll have to explore that and the difference between demonic and daemonic
@@jesseknox9322 Yeah basically to sum it up:
Nightshades: Witchcraft/Sorcery/Malice
Psychedelics: Shamanism/Spirituality/Gnosis
Granted I'm oversimplifying and nightshades are still big in shamanism and psychedelics have strangely enough been used for sorcery in the Americas but that's basically what it comes down to.
Daemonic in this sense just meaning of a "lesser divinity". Sort of a formidable demigod. Reflective of "daemons" in Greco-Roman world rather than in Christianity. Nothing really to do with Hell or purgatory or Lucifer, rather just "the underworld" and they're somewhat like what Gnostics would refer to as the "demiurge". They're associated with ghosts and "creatures" of the underworld but this predates and goes far beyond the very specific meaning this has in Christian mythos/theology. I've done both and mushrooms takes you to "hyperspace" which is more divine and heavenly and cosmic. Datura (and other nightshades) take you to the underworld though and it doesn't come off as cosmic, but not necessarily terrestrial either. But it feels closer to the terrestrial realm if that makes any sense and it's a pretty plant-oriented vibe and it's very much so about malice and self-interest and cunningness and plants, poisons, herbal concoctions, conjuring, necromancy, water, rainfall, moonlight, sacrality, blood, creatures, daemons, ghosts, magic and sorcery, power, etc. It was actually quite lofty and fantastical. No sense of altruism but there was hints of asceticism but in the sense of ordeal and balefulness. Dementia, madness and sundowning.
I became a fan because of the discussions about ancient DMT trips and pseudo philosophical banter. It's good to be back after all this time.
Its good to hear an actual academic talk about this stuff instead of some random guy who’s watched some RUclips shorts😂
Fr I like when people come on the JRE and actually bring shit to show its like a cool presentation to do with something you’ve never heard of!
Yeah let’s just “trust the experts”
@@brandongough4766 Some people are for sure more presented and qualified than others appearing here but I feel most everyone who comes on shares what they value and appreciate which can qualify them as an expert in my opinion idk 🤷♂️
@@brandongough4766Who do you trust?
@@GamerGuy760 prophets, seers, and revelators and the Holy Spirit
I wish everyone would read his book, it’s mind blowing.
This felt like Dr Jackson explaining things to O'neill....
thanks joe i need more info
This guy speaks a lot, but none of of it is any substance!
No audio on this?
This guy is wrong about the institution of the Lord’s supper. It was instituted to remember the sacrifice of Jesus, it had nothing to do with remembering his resurrection.