To be comparable, you need to drive exactly the same route in exactly the same speed. Comparing one way and return, you don't know if wind, altitude difference or other effects caused the difference. Anyway, hope you enjoyed the Pizza 😉
This is the correct way of doing it, + using MPGe is a whole waste of time only use KWh and KWh/mile when calculating cost.... MPGe is just .... I don't even know who thought it was a good idea to use it in electric cars in the first place.... Edit: I just went over her calculations in terms of how she got 14.54 KWh per gallon and it is incorrect the Tesla didn't get 60 or 66 MPGe it is way high than that, one gallon of gasoline is the equivalent of 33.7 KWh based on EPA estimations which are the people who set the MPGe thing in the first place...... Calculations now: Trip A: 4.587 *33.71 = 154.62 MPGe Trip B: 4.142*33.71= 139.62 MPGe efficiency difference CAN'T be attributed to the aero wheel covers only since she drove one way only each time.
I used the charging cost of the superchargers which is much higher than typical at home charging costs because of its convenience. This is why the MPGe on mine is lower. That 33.71 you're using is variable depending on charging cost and gas prices.
@@carterajones MPGe can not be affected by prices of either gas or electricity, MPGe is an energy efficiency metric, saying your Tesla gets 66 MPGe is just wrong and misleading, what you mean to say is that the cost of one gallon @3.49 of fuel will get you 66 miles of range in a Tesla when taking into account the cost of electricity at superchargers @ 24 cents.
This test doesn’t factor in the prevailing winds. The wind could account for the difference in efficiency. Should do 2 round trips and then compare assuming the weather conditions are similar.
Someone did a video on this. And they said it was beneficial for freeway driving to leave the plastic caps on. Makes it aerodynamic so the wind just goes right past it instead of through open wheels.
You might not know that you needed to change your wheels inside on the touch screen. You will see aero wheels and without aero wheels. The variable will change your drive info. You might need to redu the test.
Factors to consider on your round trip.... Wind speed and direction.... Elevation change.... and speed in general. I run my 3 without covers btw....electricity cheap compared to super unleaded
Two pizzas??? I gotta come over and hang with you guys. I love pizza. There are some places that can make an awesome gluten free pizza (some places that make horrible ones, too), so it appears you've found a good one (45 minutes). Interesting results. Surprised that the difference was that big. One suggestion when making comparisons like this on efficiency. Since incline and wind can substantially affect the results, you really need to measure results with combined directions. This negates the effects of wind and incline. Otherwise one of your measurements benefits possibly from a downhill or tail wind. Of course, doing the 45 (x2) drive 2 times isn't practical. But the results are still interesting. I saw a kickstarter with an alternate Model 3 aero wheel cover (they weren't cheap). I'm trying to find it again (and I'll update this comment), but I left my email for when they develop one for the model Y. It's good to have choices. Too bad the effects changing to alternate, non-aero, wheels results in significant efficiency. I've seen some owners write that they pull the covers off for day to day and then replace them for long road trips. Thanks for another insightful video. Update: The company is Rimetrix. Here's the link: rimetrix.com
Haha we love a good pizza! And that's a great point. This was definitely not a perfect example. Luckily no hills or inclines near me but I definitely agree that the having the route the same would have been better. Maybe that should of been an excuse to get two pizzas this week?? And very cool wheel caps! I've seen another company with them as well but I can't remember the name.
@carter jones, do you agree that the tesla was a good investment? does it really Feel like luxury and do you reccomend tesla for everyday driving? why not lease it and get a new tesla every 4 years?
Truefully I don't think any car is a good investment. Yes, I do think it feels luxury and I definitely recommend it for everyday driving. If you drive on the highway a lot the autopilot is a game changer. Model 3s have held their value exceptionally well over the last 3 years so I decided to buy. Also I didn't want to worry about mileage.
@@carterajones ok I see. i would definately buy a self driving vehicle, can you show what the auto pilot does and how much will replacing the electric batteries costs?
Please let me clarify a couple of your assumptions. Regarding your efficiency calculations with and without the aero covers. As an example, say this was a gas powered car that got 30mpg with aero covers and 27mpg without aero covers. To determine the decrease in efficiency would be 30-27=3, then 3/30=.10, then 100 x .10=10% decrease in efficiency. Using your mi/kWh values would be 4.587-4.132=.455, then .455/4.587=.099, then .099x100=9.9%. I have seen an average 10% decrease in efficiency without aero covers reported on several Tesla discussion boards, which is validated by your test numbers. Seems like Tesla knew what they were doing. Regarding your MPGe numbers. The EPA uses the value of 33.7 kWh energy equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline. Using your aero covers value of 4.587 mi/kWh x 33.7 kWh/gal gas = 154.58 MPGe. That’s awesome. Let’s compare a 2021 Mercedes Benz A Class gas car with 36 mpg hwy, to your 2021 Tesla Model 3 LR with 154 MPGe. You can drive your Tesla 4.27 times as far for the same amount of energy as the Mercedes. That, is a truly awesome part of owning an EV! Finally, let’s look at the cost to drive the 40 mile long one way trip, comparing the Mercedes getting 36mpg and gas costing $3.49 per gallon to your Tesla getting 4.587 mi/kWh and electricity costing $0.24 per kWh. Mercedes: 40miles/36mpg=1.11gal x $3.49/gal=$3.87 for the trip Tesla: 40 miles/4.587mi/kWh=8.72 kWh x $0.24/kWh=$2.09 for the trip $3.87-$2.09=$1.78 saved driving your Tesla on the same trip. $1.78/$3.87=.460x100=46% price reduction on that trip. Another reason why EV’s are awesome!
Carter, this is a great topic, but please do a little more comparison here. Need to do the same route with each so that it isn’t affected by the terrain or wind etc. Those could have easily affected your results in your current comparison. If overall incline was up one way that would sway the results. Please re-do your comparison with same route to make sure you minimize the differences that can affect your results.
The range difference will have much more to do with wind direction and elevation change on this 45 minute drive. The aero covers are probably good for about 2% improved range
Though it’s not going to change the result, I thought you might find this interesting. MPGe is generally calculated by looking at the energy density of fuel, not cost. The MPGe rating is calculated by figuring out the number of miles a vehicle can go using the same energy content as a gallon of gas. The EPA calculates that 33.7 kilowatt-hours of electricity is the equivalent to one gallon of gas, so an electric or hybrid vehicle that uses 29 kWh per 100 miles would get a combined 115 MPGe rating. Great video though. I’ve been enjoying your content! :)
I believe you should try reversing the same trip. Drive there without. The Aero wheels will usually affect range by about 5 percent or 228 to 218 given exact same conditions (speed, elevation, and wind/weather)
I’m the rare person who actually likes the Aero Wheels! Furthermore, when a car is moving, any wheels you have just look like a blur anyways, so I don’t understand other people’s obsession with their wheels 😂
@@dogwoodtrail4570 because people do see them - stoplights, stop signs, parking lots. People check out Teslas bevahse they are gorgeous - hence why ppl care about wheels
Owners (almost) never see their wheels in motion as they’re driving. The only time they see the wheels is when the car is stationary. I have a M3 SR+ and took the aero wheel covers off. I LOVE the look minus the covers every time I walk up to the car, and will happily pay a bit extra for that. But I’m thinking maybe on trips from NorCal to SoCal maybe I’ll put those hubcaps back on... 🤔
OMG!! I loved this video for so many reasons. Main reason Take care or your health Thanks care or your Tesla = take care of the earth. Totally loves seeing a young woman giving advice on what traditionally would be some middle aged guy telling you what to do or not do. Great video and advice Thank you!
Yes it wont snap back in if you don't remove the cover kit first. Make sure you clean your rims before putting the aero wheels back on so you don't scratch them!
OMG the yellow on the rims. I lived in Greensboro for 15 years and my ivory colored Mazda would have a yellow/green tint to it during the Spring season. Its funny seeing it here.
I gotta agree with the dissenters. Was there a change in elevation? Was it warmer on one leg compared to the other? Was there exactly the same amount of traffic? Even anecdotally, this "experiment" cannot be taken seriously.
Amazing gluten-free pizza is at Milton’s Pizza & Pasta on Six Forks Road. It only has potato starch and rice flower. So good and very tasty. I get double pepperoni with cheese. Great video too. One day I will own a Tesla Model 3 Long range.
One big flaw that disqualifies your results is that you should do trip A and Trip B exactly in the same direction, but you did not. Going from point A (your home) to point B (pizza parlor) is not the same as going from B to A. There is too many factors to take into account. And to get an idea how covers influence efficiency you would need to do many, many trips...
Another nicely produced video, Carter! Just a bit of friendly advice for future technical content: be as precise as possible. Others have already pointed out better testing design and ways to convert to MPGe efficiency. I should also note that the title and topic of the video is "range". So you should show your viewers how to convert trip efficiency (Wh/mi) to mi. For Trip 1: 1/218 Wh/mi * 1000 * 82 kWh = 376 mi @ 70 mph. For Trip 2: 1/242 Wh/mi * 1000 * 82 kWh = 338 mi @ 70 mph. Range difference is 10%, assuming that average efficiency measured in your test is representative. Of course, you can always refine that average efficiency by driving from 90% to ~0% battery state of charge following the methods of TeslaBjorn
Comparison is not accurate because it should be compared when you are heading to the pizza plate with and without the cover. Not from going to the pizza place and heading back because am pretty sure both ways have different down hill and up hill.
Yes there is basically no difference between the long range and performance the only thing that there is increased power because it’s a performance model but it is different than a gas engine where you have to keep the RPMs higher and more cylinders are demanding more gas it will only use more power when you actually flooring it something if you’re just driving around regularly in chill mode there will be no difference between that and a long range and you’ll have the same range if you have different tires than the performance tires on that’s the only reason that there is a mileage difference. I highly recommend getting martian wheels for your performance m3 if you have one to get the best efficiency you can also u can get them if you have a long range or any Tesla they look really nice and actually give better range than all the wheels from Tesla.
Great channel! I put the little cap covers on recently and loved the look. After a couple of weeks, I put the big wheel caps back on. Could definitely see a difference in battery consumption, especially since I drive a lot of freeway
Thanks so much! And yah I totally love the look without them as well! I wish the consumption wasn’t so drastic. I’ll probably end up putting them back on as well
Oh well at the end of the day, Tesla Evs M3 n MY r still compelling to drive N worry free in general aspects of owning it, I have M3 n waiting for MY coming in May 2022...I sold my MB ML350 for MY....I might sell my MB C300 Turbo AMG too maybe for Roadster...enjoy ur Tesla...
I drove 6,000 miles with them on and 6,000 with them off. The difference is negligible. I got about 3% more efficient with them on, which to me is not worth keeping them on. The car looks so much better with them off and the old school OEM center cap that matches the rims paint color.
Can't use the result. The way ti the pizza place could be more uphill and then home more downhill. Its a useless test if you don't drive the exact same route.
Interesting stuff, I have an SR+ on order (4-6 weeks away) and I got the 19” wheels so clearly I wasn’t full on worried about range (it’s replacing a 2015 i3 that has at best 85 miles of range). good stuff!!!
You can't do the test like that, just small variances in wind, temp and altitude is enough to sway the usage significantly with an EV. Even drafting behind other vehicles one way and not doing it on the way back would also make a difference.
Wh/mi is the direct efficiency no need to do a useless conversion to mpg. 242/218= 1.11 = Without used 11% more energy But the sample size is too small, you need to run the exact same route twice.
Good afternoon!! Best video!! Great smiles, really shows the great personality I knew was there yea!!! Now down to business, I like center caps better than first peel and stick decal!! Have a great afternoon you two!! Ps is pizza good, duh I know how detailed u r so I know its delicious 😋
Wait...what? I don't think that's how you calculate MPGe. I think MPGe = Equivalent power in a gallon of gas / (Watt hours per mile). The EPA says 1 gallon of gas = 33705 Wh/gallon. Trip A should be MPGe = 33705Wh/g / 218Wh/mi = 154.6 MPGe. Trip B should be 33705/242 = 139.3 MPGe.
Hahaha ikr. I don’t drive very much so it doesn’t really matter too much to me but I’ll probably end up putting them back on especially for longer road trips
Enjoyed your video. In another video of similar comparison, the person also changed thru the display in the car that the aero hubs were no longer on the car but rather the center cap and lug nut covers.
I have read the Aero caps on the Model Y are worth about a 3% to 4% range increase. 11% is an outlier, something must have affected your test. But thanks for sharing and conducting another test. I have some Rimetic Orbital covers on order. They look so much better than the OEM Aero covers.
Good video but would at a minimum need to compare apples to apples. A trip to the pizza place is not equivalent to a trip from the pizza place. At a minimum measure two full trips. Great presentation and well explained throughout. Keep the content coming. 👍
Thanks I totally agree it would have been better with two trips. Maybe I’ll do a part 2 doing that. I just need more time since it takes a while to drive that much lol
I do enjoy your videos. I'm close to deciding on a model 3 similar to yours. However, I've been procrastinating because I've seen so many negative views about its bad ride qualities, since I live in the NY Metro area, with some of the worst roads on Earth. Any thoughts ?
This comparison really isn’t fair because driving One Direction could use more electricity than driving the other direction, think of it like driving uphill versus down a hill, you use a lot of energy to get up the hill and then you use nothing to get down the hill, That’s an oversimplification but it is an example of my point, just because you took the same route doesn’t mean that it’ll use the same amount of electricity forward and backwards
no idea what celiac disease is but i seen a comment about teslas getting more range with the factory hubcaps so i just wanted to learn more thank you !!
I don't care about efficiency, I really like the 19 and 20 inch rim look, but since the Tesla will be my daily driver car I’m gonna stick with the 18” for a smoother ride.
By chance did you switch your wheel settings in the software? I know changing my 2021 model 3 software in the settings to the wheel cap option it gets a better accurate for your actual range. Maybe you can make a video covering this? Let me know if you know how to get to the settings :)
This channel needs to grow! Definitely a fresh air of Tesla videos, love it! What state or city are you guys recording at? Everywhere looks so green over there!
I like the vid 👍 I would say this one test is pretty inconclusive. The actual improvement in efficiency with Aero wheels is close to 2-3%, not 11%. I hate the look of the Aero wheels with or without the cover so I recently upgraded to the 19in Sport Rims. Bought them barely used with new tires for only $1,500, then sold my old wheels and tires (with 23,000 miles on them) for $600. So I basically upgraded for $900, which is less than what Tesla charges when configuring your car on the website. I haven't noticed a difference in ride quality or road noise at all with the larger wheels, and only about a 0.5-2% decrease in efficiency.
What 19” wheels did you go with? The Tesla Sports or something aftermarket? I’m thinking of going with a forged aftermarket rim with better tires but am concerned with it effecting the range.
@@carterajones Agreed small world! It would be a fun trip to OBX. We are going there in Aug. But I think our first major road trip will be to Ashville in a couple of weeks. Those hills will be fun to drive, and an interesting test on the battery range. We enjoy your videos! Keep it up.
Who drives 45 minutes (each way) to get a pizza (or two)? Either way, thanks for the video Carter - not scientifically accurate since temperature, wind, traffic, road incline - may have had an effect on efficiency. But, entertaining none the less. Thanks.
I think the difference is a bit too much... Next time try to do the opposite, trip A without and trip B with the aero covers. If the pizza is good as you say it won't be long 😂😂😂 PS Use a very little screw driver to remove the center caps 😉
Yes definitely not a perfect comparison and the difference was much more apparent than expected. Definitely might do a part 2 switching it up when getting pizza next time lol
Thanks for the video! However, you don't have enough data to be statistically significant (you are within the range of chance) because your sample size is so small. Temperatures on the trip, and many other things will affect the outcome.. .headwinds, etc. If you could go around a track or 100 miles on 5 different days, that would be better :)
To be comparable, you need to drive exactly the same route in exactly the same speed. Comparing one way and return, you don't know if wind, altitude difference or other effects caused the difference. Anyway, hope you enjoyed the Pizza 😉
This is the correct way of doing it, + using MPGe is a whole waste of time only use KWh and KWh/mile when calculating cost.... MPGe is just .... I don't even know who thought it was a good idea to use it in electric cars in the first place....
Edit: I just went over her calculations in terms of how she got 14.54 KWh per gallon and it is incorrect the Tesla didn't get 60 or 66 MPGe it is way high than that, one gallon of gasoline is the equivalent of 33.7 KWh based on EPA estimations which are the people who set the MPGe thing in the first place......
Calculations now:
Trip A: 4.587 *33.71 = 154.62 MPGe
Trip B: 4.142*33.71= 139.62 MPGe
efficiency difference CAN'T be attributed to the aero wheel covers only since she drove one way only each time.
I used the charging cost of the superchargers which is much higher than typical at home charging costs because of its convenience. This is why the MPGe on mine is lower. That 33.71 you're using is variable depending on charging cost and gas prices.
@@carterajones MPGe can not be affected by prices of either gas or electricity, MPGe is an energy efficiency metric, saying your Tesla gets 66 MPGe is just wrong and misleading, what you mean to say is that the cost of one gallon @3.49 of fuel will get you 66 miles of range in a Tesla when taking into account the cost of electricity at superchargers @ 24 cents.
This test doesn’t factor in the prevailing winds. The wind could account for the difference in efficiency. Should do 2 round trips and then compare assuming the weather conditions are similar.
@@nightarrow7473 exactly!
Someone did a video on this. And they said it was beneficial for freeway driving to leave the plastic caps on. Makes it aerodynamic so the wind just goes right past it instead of through open wheels.
That makes total sense!
In my opinion, your car looks way better without the aero wheels.
Do the wheel caps come with the vehicle already in place or are they applied after delivery?
They come with them on the car. You would have to take them off after delivery if you wanted them off.
You might not know that you needed to change your wheels inside on the touch screen. You will see aero wheels and without aero wheels. The variable will change your drive info. You might need to redu the test.
I did that and it now reflects on the range. Thanks for the tip!
Great Video! Also can directly get the 10% difference from comparing 218 with 242. Seems keeping them on will be making more sense to me!
Thank you!
Factors to consider on your round trip.... Wind speed and direction.... Elevation change.... and speed in general. I run my 3 without covers btw....electricity cheap compared to super unleaded
Right, so many factors. I did not include all of these.
Two pizzas??? I gotta come over and hang with you guys. I love pizza. There are some places that can make an awesome gluten free pizza (some places that make horrible ones, too), so it appears you've found a good one (45 minutes).
Interesting results. Surprised that the difference was that big. One suggestion when making comparisons like this on efficiency. Since incline and wind can substantially affect the results, you really need to measure results with combined directions. This negates the effects of wind and incline. Otherwise one of your measurements benefits possibly from a downhill or tail wind. Of course, doing the 45 (x2) drive 2 times isn't practical. But the results are still interesting.
I saw a kickstarter with an alternate Model 3 aero wheel cover (they weren't cheap). I'm trying to find it again (and I'll update this comment), but I left my email for when they develop one for the model Y. It's good to have choices. Too bad the effects changing to alternate, non-aero, wheels results in significant efficiency. I've seen some owners write that they pull the covers off for day to day and then replace them for long road trips.
Thanks for another insightful video.
Update: The company is Rimetrix. Here's the link: rimetrix.com
Haha we love a good pizza! And that's a great point. This was definitely not a perfect example. Luckily no hills or inclines near me but I definitely agree that the having the route the same would have been better. Maybe that should of been an excuse to get two pizzas this week?? And very cool wheel caps! I've seen another company with them as well but I can't remember the name.
Just leave the Aero wheels covers off, the loss is nothing compared to how nice the car looks without them.
@carter jones, do you agree that the tesla was a good investment? does it really Feel like luxury and do you reccomend tesla for everyday driving? why not lease it and get a new tesla every 4 years?
Truefully I don't think any car is a good investment. Yes, I do think it feels luxury and I definitely recommend it for everyday driving. If you drive on the highway a lot the autopilot is a game changer. Model 3s have held their value exceptionally well over the last 3 years so I decided to buy. Also I didn't want to worry about mileage.
@@carterajones ok I see. i would definately buy a self driving vehicle, can you show what the auto pilot does and how much will replacing the electric batteries costs?
@@omnilife6660 definitely check out my video called “Tesla Autopilot Review.” It’s a full review of what it is and how it’s different from FSD 😊
Please let me clarify a couple of your assumptions.
Regarding your efficiency calculations with and without the aero covers. As an example, say this was a gas powered car that got 30mpg with aero covers and 27mpg without aero covers. To determine the decrease in efficiency would be 30-27=3, then 3/30=.10, then 100 x .10=10% decrease in efficiency. Using your mi/kWh values would be 4.587-4.132=.455, then .455/4.587=.099, then .099x100=9.9%. I have seen an average 10% decrease in efficiency without aero covers reported on several Tesla discussion boards, which is validated by your test numbers. Seems like Tesla knew what they were doing.
Regarding your MPGe numbers. The EPA uses the value of 33.7 kWh energy equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline. Using your aero covers value of 4.587 mi/kWh x 33.7 kWh/gal gas = 154.58 MPGe. That’s awesome.
Let’s compare a 2021 Mercedes Benz A Class gas car with 36 mpg hwy, to your 2021 Tesla Model 3 LR with 154 MPGe. You can drive your Tesla 4.27 times as far for the same amount of energy as the Mercedes. That, is a truly awesome part of owning an EV!
Finally, let’s look at the cost to drive the 40 mile long one way trip, comparing the Mercedes getting 36mpg and gas costing $3.49 per gallon to your Tesla getting 4.587 mi/kWh and electricity costing $0.24 per kWh.
Mercedes: 40miles/36mpg=1.11gal x $3.49/gal=$3.87 for the trip
Tesla: 40 miles/4.587mi/kWh=8.72 kWh x $0.24/kWh=$2.09 for the trip
$3.87-$2.09=$1.78 saved driving your Tesla on the same trip. $1.78/$3.87=.460x100=46% price reduction on that trip.
Another reason why EV’s are awesome!
Carter, this is a great topic, but please do a little more comparison here. Need to do the same route with each so that it isn’t affected by the terrain or wind etc. Those could have easily affected your results in your current comparison. If overall incline was up one way that would sway the results. Please re-do your comparison with same route to make sure you minimize the differences that can affect your results.
I get where you're coming from, but this was meant to be more of a fun video.
or do it yourself CSM!
Question, how much you have to pay every month for insurance when having a tesla model 3?
About $70-80 a month.
The range difference will have much more to do with wind direction and elevation change on this 45 minute drive. The aero covers are probably good for about 2% improved range
Great idea! I can definitely do a part 2
Nice video. You present well and your style is very welcoming and warm. Keep it up.
Thanks so much! I try to make each video better than the last
Though it’s not going to change the result, I thought you might find this interesting. MPGe is generally calculated by looking at the energy density of fuel, not cost.
The MPGe rating is calculated by figuring out the number of miles a vehicle can go using the same energy content as a gallon of gas. The EPA calculates that 33.7 kilowatt-hours of electricity is the equivalent to one gallon of gas, so an electric or hybrid vehicle that uses 29 kWh per 100 miles would get a combined 115 MPGe rating.
Great video though. I’ve been enjoying your content! :)
Thank you for the help on that, I had no idea! Thanks, I'll try to keep making good videos.
I believe you should try reversing the same trip. Drive there without. The Aero wheels will usually affect range by about 5 percent or 228 to 218 given exact same conditions (speed, elevation, and wind/weather)
Great point! Maybe I’ll do a part 2 doing thT
Also, the faster you drive, the bigger the difference in the aero vs the non-aero.
I’m the rare person who actually likes the Aero Wheels! Furthermore, when a car is moving, any wheels you have just look like a blur anyways, so I don’t understand other people’s obsession with their wheels 😂
Exactly! Why spend so much on something you don't see that often.
Haha I don't mind the aero wheels either. But I would probably pick them off if I had the choice. People do get very invested in their wheels lol
I actually really like how it looks. I showed it to my friend and she didn't like it, said it looks weird. I beg to differ, looks futuristic to me.
@@dogwoodtrail4570 because people do see them - stoplights, stop signs, parking lots.
People check out Teslas bevahse they are gorgeous - hence why ppl care about wheels
Owners (almost) never see their wheels in motion as they’re driving. The only time they see the wheels is when the car is stationary.
I have a M3 SR+ and took the aero wheel covers off. I LOVE the look minus the covers every time I walk up to the car, and will happily pay a bit extra for that. But I’m thinking maybe on trips from NorCal to SoCal maybe I’ll put those hubcaps back on... 🤔
OMG!!
I loved this video for so many reasons.
Main reason
Take care or your health
Thanks care or your Tesla = take care of the earth.
Totally loves seeing a young woman giving advice on what traditionally would be some middle aged guy telling you what to do or not do.
Great video and advice
Thank you!
did you configure your car's settings to let it know you took the aero caps off?
Yes, someone's comment helped with that!
If you take the Aero cover off and put the tesla logo and lug nut cover on, will you ever be able to put the aero cover back on?
You would have to take that cover back off. I think there is a tool to help with this.
@@carterajones Alright, thanks! I love the wheels, and a Tesla is my dream car!
Great video. I like the car without the covers.
Thank you! Me too!
When putting the aero wheels back on do you need to remove the cover kit you purchased? Thanks
Yes it wont snap back in if you don't remove the cover kit first. Make sure you clean your rims before putting the aero wheels back on so you don't scratch them!
Yes I believe so.
OMG the yellow on the rims. I lived in Greensboro for 15 years and my ivory colored Mazda would have a yellow/green tint to it during the Spring season. Its funny seeing it here.
It was a tough couple of weeks with all that pollen!
I gotta agree with the dissenters. Was there a change in elevation? Was it warmer on one leg compared to the other? Was there exactly the same amount of traffic? Even anecdotally, this "experiment" cannot be taken seriously.
was the roads going there/back mostly flat? The road grade can play a big factor if it was more uphill on the way home too.
Yeah, changes in elevation make a big difference. I bought a set of Martian wheels, but haven't put them on yet. You can see them at martianwheels.com
No elevation changes on the ride there. The area was very flat!
Aero wheels for life (I actually like the look of them) plus the efficiency? No brainer for my use case/preference
I really like the shine on the black Model 3! Do you have ceramic coating? PPF? Either way, great video!
Amazing gluten-free pizza is at Milton’s Pizza & Pasta on Six Forks Road. It only has potato starch and rice flower. So good and very tasty. I get double pepperoni with cheese. Great video too. One day I will own a Tesla Model 3 Long range.
Oh thanks for the restaurant recommendation! I'll have to check it out sometime. Any other favorite GF sopts?
One big flaw that disqualifies your results is that you should do trip A and Trip B exactly in the same direction, but you did not. Going from point A (your home) to point B (pizza parlor) is not the same as going from B to A. There is too many factors to take into account. And to get an idea how covers influence efficiency you would need to do many, many trips...
Great points. Definitely need more accurate data to make an accurate experiment
Thank you great information
Glad it was helpful!
Did you ever get any caliper covers?
I did not but I do want to some day!
Another nicely produced video, Carter!
Just a bit of friendly advice for future technical content: be as precise as possible. Others have already pointed out better testing design and ways to convert to MPGe efficiency. I should also note that the title and topic of the video is "range". So you should show your viewers how to convert trip efficiency (Wh/mi) to mi. For Trip 1: 1/218 Wh/mi * 1000 * 82 kWh = 376 mi @ 70 mph. For Trip 2: 1/242 Wh/mi * 1000 * 82 kWh = 338 mi @ 70 mph. Range difference is 10%, assuming that average efficiency measured in your test is representative. Of course, you can always refine that average efficiency by driving from 90% to ~0% battery state of charge following the methods of TeslaBjorn
Totally unscientific. Will definitely brush up on the conversions next time
The pizza boxes would be a great temp storage for those aero caps!
Lolol so true
Your content is amazing. Love it.
Thank you so much 😊
Nice video. What’s that boot looking thing you wear on your left foot?
Thanks! And it is a brace. I have a lisfranc foot injury and have to wear the brace to support it
Comparison is not accurate because it should be compared when you are heading to the pizza plate with and without the cover. Not from going to the pizza place and heading back because am pretty sure both ways have different down hill and up hill.
Good point. I'll have to redo this at some point.
All you had to do is 242 wh per mile divided by 218 wh per mile. Yields the same result because all your other variable are the same in both trips
Thanks for the tip!
do you know if putting after market 18/19” wheels on a Performance 3/Y increases range to that of a Long Range 3/Y?
I'm sorry but I am unsure. I would call a Tesla service center and ask
Yes there is basically no difference between the long range and performance the only thing that there is increased power because it’s a performance model but it is different than a gas engine where you have to keep the RPMs higher and more cylinders are demanding more gas it will only use more power when you actually flooring it something if you’re just driving around regularly in chill mode there will be no difference between that and a long range and you’ll have the same range if you have different tires than the performance tires on that’s the only reason that there is a mileage difference. I highly recommend getting martian wheels for your performance m3 if you have one to get the best efficiency you can also u can get them if you have a long range or any Tesla they look really nice and actually give better range than all the wheels from Tesla.
@Mark D
wth is Wh/mi mean? My Tesla has that reading but what is it? Anyone know?
Tesla, you're beautiful, but Carter Jones you're absolutely way more shinning than Tesla ~ love it . I don't have you, but i can definitely own Tesla
Thank you.
Very interesting - I wonder with different wheel sizes what would be the difference as well.
I definitely think it does affect it as well
Smaller wheels definitely get better range!
I recently upgraded from the 18in Aero wheels to the 19in Sport rims and I barely notice the difference
Great video,great girl,...everything just great!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great channel! I put the little cap covers on recently and loved the look. After a couple of weeks, I put the big wheel caps back on. Could definitely see a difference in battery consumption, especially since I drive a lot of freeway
Thanks so much! And yah I totally love the look without them as well! I wish the consumption wasn’t so drastic. I’ll probably end up putting them back on as well
Thanks I think I'll keep your aero's on. I like them. Especially the new China ones.
Oh well at the end of the day, Tesla Evs M3 n MY r still compelling to drive N worry free in general aspects of owning it, I have M3 n waiting for MY coming in May 2022...I sold my MB ML350 for MY....I might sell my MB C300 Turbo AMG too maybe for Roadster...enjoy ur Tesla...
What about incline? Maybe one way had a steeper incline.
Good point. Mostly flat here but could definitely impact it
The pizzeria is not far from where my nephew works in Raleigh. The Raleigh Times, fun place.
Nice! Small world.
I drove 6,000 miles with them on and 6,000 with them off. The difference is negligible. I got about 3% more efficient with them on, which to me is not worth keeping them on. The car looks so much better with them off and the old school OEM center cap that matches the rims paint color.
Agreed, after more driving it wasn't anything to worry about. It looks way better with them off.
I can't believe it takes that much off the range!
I know right! Shocking!
Can't use the result. The way ti the pizza place could be more uphill and then home more downhill.
Its a useless test if you don't drive the exact same route.
That percent change is far more significant than I would have guessed, great video.
Thanks, me too!
Interesting stuff, I have an SR+ on order (4-6 weeks away) and I got the 19” wheels so clearly I wasn’t full on worried about range (it’s replacing a 2015 i3 that has at best 85 miles of range). good stuff!!!
Hopefully it is coming soon!
@@carterajones actually upgraded to the long range and it arrived lest Tuesday!
you might miss the impact due the change of elevations, unless each ways are really flat.....
It's flat luckily
From one Celiac to another, your videos are awesome. You make great content.
Thank you!!
You can't do the test like that, just small variances in wind, temp and altitude is enough to sway the usage significantly with an EV. Even drafting behind other vehicles one way and not doing it on the way back would also make a difference.
It is so true, I may have to redo this one someday.
@@carterajones Also rain has an impact on usage, something to keep in mind :)
Interesting. But need more replicates to prove that the difference was not attributed to outliers.
Agreed! Just a fun little test but needs more data to be accurate
Nice Shoes!
This video was very helpful!
Glad you think so!
Wh/mi is the direct efficiency no need to do a useless conversion to mpg.
242/218= 1.11
= Without used 11% more energy
But the sample size is too small, you need to run the exact same route twice.
You're right! Maybe someday I will try this again.
Good job. I'm surprised at 11%. I thought it was more like 5%.
It was just one test so it might actually be closer to 5. Not sure but for this test it was definitely higher than I thought!
Good afternoon!! Best video!! Great smiles, really shows the great personality I knew was there yea!!! Now down to business, I like center caps better than first peel and stick decal!! Have a great afternoon you two!! Ps is pizza good, duh I know how detailed u r so I know its delicious 😋
Thanks so much! And you like the aero wheels better? And yes sooo good. Can't wait to eat it again tonight lol
Wait...what? I don't think that's how you calculate MPGe. I think MPGe = Equivalent power in a gallon of gas / (Watt hours per mile). The EPA says 1 gallon of gas = 33705 Wh/gallon. Trip A should be MPGe = 33705Wh/g / 218Wh/mi = 154.6 MPGe. Trip B should be 33705/242 = 139.3 MPGe.
I love the way your video is like 'aero wheels work!' and then you finish with 'but I'll be keeping them off' say what now?
Hahaha ikr. I don’t drive very much so it doesn’t really matter too much to me but I’ll probably end up putting them back on especially for longer road trips
@@carterajones they definitely look cooler off, but I keep mine on (mostly because I'm too lazy to keep changing them up).
Cool video. I have that wheel kit but have never used it, as I like the Aeros so keep them on!
Thanks!
Enjoyed your video. In another video of similar comparison, the person also changed thru the display in the car that the aero hubs were no longer on the car but rather the center cap and lug nut covers.
Thank you! And I changed mine as well! I forgot to add it in the video
By the way, the new ones I don’t know if are different but the old ones are someting like 4% more eficiente
That is good to know, thank you!
I have read the Aero caps on the Model Y are worth about a 3% to 4% range increase. 11% is an outlier, something must have affected your test. But thanks for sharing and conducting another test. I have some Rimetic Orbital covers on order. They look so much better than the OEM Aero covers.
They do look so much better. Our more recent drives haven't shown as much of a range decrease so something else must have been going on for this one.
Good video but would at a minimum need to compare apples to apples. A trip to the pizza place is not equivalent to a trip from the pizza place. At a minimum measure two full trips. Great presentation and well explained throughout. Keep the content coming. 👍
Thanks I totally agree it would have been better with two trips. Maybe I’ll do a part 2 doing that. I just need more time since it takes a while to drive that much lol
@@carterajones silver lining, more delicious pizza :)
Would love to see data from the same test in reverse (covers for return trip). Thanks for video!
Great suggestion!
I do enjoy your videos. I'm close to deciding on a model 3 similar to yours. However, I've been procrastinating because I've seen so many negative views about its bad ride qualities, since I live in the NY Metro area, with some of the worst roads on Earth. Any thoughts ?
I haven’t had any issues with the ride experience. I don’t think personally the ride feels much different on bad road compared to other sedans.
This comparison really isn’t fair because driving One Direction could use more electricity than driving the other direction, think of it like driving uphill versus down a hill, you use a lot of energy to get up the hill and then you use nothing to get down the hill, That’s an oversimplification but it is an example of my point, just because you took the same route doesn’t mean that it’ll use the same amount of electricity forward and backwards
Totally, this was meant to be more fun but I understand your point.
What kind of operation is the place running that won't deliver pizza to you 45 minutes away? lol
Haha IKR!
Good job on the video
Thank you!
Great experiment! Thanks!
Thanks!
Well done!
Thank you!
Dang, so many Tesla youtubers are from Raleigh
Really? Haven't seen any others.
no idea what celiac disease is but i seen a comment about teslas getting more range with the factory hubcaps so i just wanted to learn more thank you !!
What speed did u test on?
70
@@carterajones good. That efficiency is not bad with aero wheels on.
I don't care about efficiency, I really like the 19 and 20 inch rim look, but since the Tesla will be my daily driver car I’m gonna stick with the 18” for a smoother ride.
By chance did you switch your wheel settings in the software? I know changing my 2021 model 3 software in the settings to the wheel cap option it gets a better accurate for your actual range. Maybe you can make a video covering this? Let me know if you know how to get to the settings :)
Yes I did! Now it shows the right wheels on my avatar. That's a great idea, thank you!
Carter, great video and comparison. Keep up the great content! Did you notice any cabin noise difference in this test?
Thanks! I did not notice any noise difference
My cap kit looks different. It's one piece and covers everything.
Yah they make different kinds. I just chose to get the one with the middle cap and lug-nut caps.
At least 4 trips need to be done. A to B with and without then Bro A with and without to cancel out outlyers. More sample, more better. LoL.
True, this was meant to be more for fun rather than scientific.
Try the Remitrix wheel covers to see if it gives comparable range.
What are those?
@@carterajones Sorry spelled it wrong. Rimetrix: rimetrix.com/
I doubt very much that wheel covers would alter the aerodynamics of the car that much otherwise all car manufacturers would fit them.
Sorry I do not understand what you mean?
Interesting
Thanks!
@@carterajones I enjoy your common sense & down to Earth presentations….so thanks to you
I hope you ate some of the pizza while fresh & hot before returning home. If it was my favorite pizza, I couldn’t wait to eat a piece or two.
I wish! It would have been cold no matter what since I had to film the video. It was still tasty though!
Awesomely done!
Thanks so much!
Yeah but you had the extra weight of the pizza on the way back. LOL
HA I didn’t consider that in my calculations
It's a lot harder to eat the pizza if an aero cover is attached to it.
This channel needs to grow! Definitely a fresh air of Tesla videos, love it! What state or city are you guys recording at? Everywhere looks so green over there!
Thanks so much! And I’m in Raleigh, NC! Definitely lots of green and pollen here lol
Great video but doing the comparison like that is kinda bad ... the numbers are going to be completely wrong
Yes, this was meant to be more of a fun experiment, not exact science. And we got pizza.
@@carterajones sounds a win win 😁
I like the vid 👍 I would say this one test is pretty inconclusive. The actual improvement in efficiency with Aero wheels is close to 2-3%, not 11%.
I hate the look of the Aero wheels with or without the cover so I recently upgraded to the 19in Sport Rims. Bought them barely used with new tires for only $1,500, then sold my old wheels and tires (with 23,000 miles on them) for $600. So I basically upgraded for $900, which is less than what Tesla charges when configuring your car on the website.
I haven't noticed a difference in ride quality or road noise at all with the larger wheels, and only about a 0.5-2% decrease in efficiency.
Yah definitely not a conclusive test! And wow that’s great you upgraded your wheels for only $900!
What 19” wheels did you go with? The Tesla Sports or something aftermarket? I’m thinking of going with a forged aftermarket rim with better tires but am concerned with it effecting the range.
@@markcrank9224 yea the Tesla Sport
Hello from Raleigh! We are new Model Y owners and always looking for road trip ideas. And now we have another pizza place to try out. :) Hahaha!
Small world! And yes love Rosalinis! Also the OBX is a great road tip place from Raleigh.
@@carterajones Agreed small world! It would be a fun trip to OBX. We are going there in Aug. But I think our first major road trip will be to Ashville in a couple of weeks. Those hills will be fun to drive, and an interesting test on the battery range.
We enjoy your videos! Keep it up.
Who drives 45 minutes (each way) to get a pizza (or two)? Either way, thanks for the video Carter - not scientifically accurate since temperature, wind, traffic, road incline - may have had an effect on efficiency. But, entertaining none the less. Thanks.
Definitely meant to be entertaining and less scientific. And yes I wish the pizza place was closer but it's worth the drive!
Thx for sharing Carter. That was very informative.
Btw, I empathize with being ceoliac 😞. Glad you got some GF pizza 😋
Thanks! And luckily I have some options near me
If only the new ones were this easy 😣
Did they change them recently?
I think the difference is a bit too much... Next time try to do the opposite, trip A without and trip B with the aero covers. If the pizza is good as you say it won't be long 😂😂😂
PS
Use a very little screw driver to remove the center caps 😉
Yes definitely not a perfect comparison and the difference was much more apparent than expected. Definitely might do a part 2 switching it up when getting pizza next time lol
Gluten free 😂🤯😂😵💫
Yep!
4:28 But what does it mean? I'll take those values and convert them to chicken foot per washing machine spin time so they make more sense :) jj
Other good ideas if you don't like the looks of the aero wheels: 1) T-Sportline wheels at tsportline.com or 2) Martian wheels at martianwheels.com
Those are cool, thanks!
Thanks for the video! However, you don't have enough data to be statistically significant (you are within the range of chance) because your sample size is so small. Temperatures on the trip, and many other things will affect the outcome.. .headwinds, etc. If you could go around a track or 100 miles on 5 different days, that would be better :)
Great point! More data would be better