The live version does not end quite as abruptly. Love the lyrics, such a compelling portrayal of a twisted mind. The line "Ich halte dich in der Dunkelheit" - it is meant to be comforting, "I hold you in the darkness". But it also means "keep you (captive) in the darkness". So in one phrase it expresses the point of view of the captor and the victim, it is promise and threat in one.
I am coming to terms with this one more over time however i am still not sure if I want/wanted this song. It fits with the motif of the album that Love is for everyone and this can manifest in multiple ways, inclusive heinous ones such as this. As a standalone I think I would reject it however as an album piece it has it's place.
since mentioned it right at the beginning: yes, the Wiener sausages are named after the city (so, they "should be" Viennese sausages , or sth similar, in english, though I couldn't tell the differences to Frankfurter or Deutschländer or whatever kind else there are sausages ... and Wiener dog is an english concoction, afaik. in german, that one would be Dackel or Dachshund (or Teckel in german hunter lingo) Since you mentioned it, Slayer has a couple of songs about Mengele and Auschwitz, which are bangers on a casual listen, but if you really pay attention to them lyrically, especially in tandem with the music, you feel the horror through the music. And on the other end of the "genre spectrum", Falcos Jeannie (pt 1+2) are rather "poppy" without the lyrics. And similarly to "Wiener Blut" is also from the perspective of the human garbage. James Blunts "You're beautiful", while abstract, still is about a stalker who sees himself as an angel (and ironically enough, even gets played at weddings because people don't listen to the lyrics, and think it's such a romantic song). I say rather confront people with uncomfortable tales, especially through catchy music - makes one think about preconceptions and facade, imo. Another aspect to telling it through the perpetrators view might be show an interpretation of their twisted delusion, maybe?
Lacey is a huge slayer fan so I imagine we will get to them and these tracks on the channel at some point. The view of the killer in this case through music does allow for the raising of awareness and subversion of expectation is interesting. As i say in the video it is the sort of material I would rush to in cinema or in a novel however in this song I just couldn't quite get on board. Still struggling with it now. I am currently in a place of seeing why it exists and the cleverness of it being in an album about love. My emotional, and possibly irrational reaction, is still to not want a song about these events to exist. Certainly more interesting than the bulk of manufactured music that is produced month by month anyway and has sparked some deep thought & discussion for me though. Thanks for the sausage facts. Much appreciated.
I've watched a lot of reaction videos to Wiener Blut and they seem to fall into distinct categories - I feel really uncomfortable listening to this/enjoying this because of the back story; what, it's based on a true story, oh my God; great song with Till playing the part of Fritzel so well. I like the song but it hits a nerve with me as I'm only a year older than Elisabeth. I think the lyrics describe the hopelessness and the reality of her situation. I'm a true crime buff as well so I'd already read a lot about the case and it's even more hideous than the song describes. Difficult one.
I wrestled with this one a lot. Funnily enough one of the things that has shifted my opinion was when people talked about the concept of the album being about love is for everyone. This including the darkest ways that people can show love or use love in horrific ways.
I think that Wiener Blut brings to the forefront the question of fatherly love. Love takes many forms but no matter which way you look at this case, love doesn't feature in it. Fritzel tried to claim that it was and still maintains his innocence in the matter. Love is there for everyone but, as one of my French teachers was find of saying, to every rule there is an exception.
I have the same kind of reaction/feelings to this song, and it is probably one of the downgraders of the album for me. I don't like this song, and when I heard it back in '09 I had the same reaction: "I don't need a song about Joseph F.". To this day I still haven't been able to pinpoint why, but basically I still have the same feeling. Even though this album has some highlights like "Haifisch" " Fruhling in Paris" and "Pussy", it is my least favorite album (unpopular opinion, I know). Partly because a song like this, and some other ones that didn't do it for me. And i don't really like the composition of the album as a whole.
It is odd isn't it Maarten. I am starting to see it's place in the album as it is a way to portray the multiple different versions of love and not just the greetings card world of twee/positive love. Even with that context I am now putting to it I still have an instantaneous and abhorrent reaction to a song about him. A reaction I haven't had when they have sung about killers before. Maybe it is just the amount I had heard and read about him that makes this seem more personally problematic to me.
@@PopCultureProductions I think you two mentioned the "incel vibes" on the title song, not sure... but this whole album might be just about that: about a man coming to terms with his sexuality and this manly-hood, and not just in a sexual way. But also seeking it in friendship (Haifisch), huntsman-ship (Waidmann's Heil) and capitalism (Mehr). And on the darker side of exploring masculinity: "Ich tuh dir weh" (I hurt you), Wiener Blut ("I keep you, my daughter, in my basement") and "Pussy" (I will go abroad to get laid by some minor, because that's not possible in my home country") For me, musically, lyrically, and thematically "Fruehling in Paris" still is the highlight of the album, as it is (imo) about a young man or boy losing his virginity to a French prostitute whose language he doesn't understand.
The live version does not end quite as abruptly. Love the lyrics, such a compelling portrayal of a twisted mind.
The line "Ich halte dich in der Dunkelheit" - it is meant to be comforting, "I hold you in the darkness". But it also means "keep you (captive) in the darkness". So in one phrase it expresses the point of view of the captor and the victim, it is promise and threat in one.
I am coming to terms with this one more over time however i am still not sure if I want/wanted this song. It fits with the motif of the album that Love is for everyone and this can manifest in multiple ways, inclusive heinous ones such as this. As a standalone I think I would reject it however as an album piece it has it's place.
The live version has a couple of solos.
since mentioned it right at the beginning: yes, the Wiener sausages are named after the city (so, they "should be" Viennese sausages , or sth similar, in english, though I couldn't tell the differences to Frankfurter or Deutschländer or whatever kind else there are sausages ... and Wiener dog is an english concoction, afaik. in german, that one would be Dackel or Dachshund (or Teckel in german hunter lingo)
Since you mentioned it, Slayer has a couple of songs about Mengele and Auschwitz, which are bangers on a casual listen, but if you really pay attention to them lyrically, especially in tandem with the music, you feel the horror through the music. And on the other end of the "genre spectrum", Falcos Jeannie (pt 1+2) are rather "poppy" without the lyrics. And similarly to "Wiener Blut" is also from the perspective of the human garbage. James Blunts "You're beautiful", while abstract, still is about a stalker who sees himself as an angel (and ironically enough, even gets played at weddings because people don't listen to the lyrics, and think it's such a romantic song). I say rather confront people with uncomfortable tales, especially through catchy music - makes one think about preconceptions and facade, imo. Another aspect to telling it through the perpetrators view might be show an interpretation of their twisted delusion, maybe?
Lacey is a huge slayer fan so I imagine we will get to them and these tracks on the channel at some point.
The view of the killer in this case through music does allow for the raising of awareness and subversion of expectation is interesting. As i say in the video it is the sort of material I would rush to in cinema or in a novel however in this song I just couldn't quite get on board. Still struggling with it now. I am currently in a place of seeing why it exists and the cleverness of it being in an album about love. My emotional, and possibly irrational reaction, is still to not want a song about these events to exist. Certainly more interesting than the bulk of manufactured music that is produced month by month anyway and has sparked some deep thought & discussion for me though.
Thanks for the sausage facts. Much appreciated.
I've watched a lot of reaction videos to Wiener Blut and they seem to fall into distinct categories - I feel really uncomfortable listening to this/enjoying this because of the back story; what, it's based on a true story, oh my God; great song with Till playing the part of Fritzel so well. I like the song but it hits a nerve with me as I'm only a year older than Elisabeth. I think the lyrics describe the hopelessness and the reality of her situation. I'm a true crime buff as well so I'd already read a lot about the case and it's even more hideous than the song describes. Difficult one.
I wrestled with this one a lot. Funnily enough one of the things that has shifted my opinion was when people talked about the concept of the album being about love is for everyone. This including the darkest ways that people can show love or use love in horrific ways.
I think that Wiener Blut brings to the forefront the question of fatherly love. Love takes many forms but no matter which way you look at this case, love doesn't feature in it. Fritzel tried to claim that it was and still maintains his innocence in the matter. Love is there for everyone but, as one of my French teachers was find of saying, to every rule there is an exception.
I have the same kind of reaction/feelings to this song, and it is probably one of the downgraders of the album for me. I don't like this song, and when I heard it back in '09 I had the same reaction: "I don't need a song about Joseph F.". To this day I still haven't been able to pinpoint why, but basically I still have the same feeling. Even though this album has some highlights like "Haifisch" " Fruhling in Paris" and "Pussy", it is my least favorite album (unpopular opinion, I know). Partly because a song like this, and some other ones that didn't do it for me. And i don't really like the composition of the album as a whole.
It is odd isn't it Maarten. I am starting to see it's place in the album as it is a way to portray the multiple different versions of love and not just the greetings card world of twee/positive love.
Even with that context I am now putting to it I still have an instantaneous and abhorrent reaction to a song about him. A reaction I haven't had when they have sung about killers before. Maybe it is just the amount I had heard and read about him that makes this seem more personally problematic to me.
@@PopCultureProductions I think you two mentioned the "incel vibes" on the title song, not sure... but this whole album might be just about that: about a man coming to terms with his sexuality and this manly-hood, and not just in a sexual way. But also seeking it in friendship (Haifisch), huntsman-ship (Waidmann's Heil) and capitalism (Mehr). And on the darker side of exploring masculinity: "Ich tuh dir weh" (I hurt you), Wiener Blut ("I keep you, my daughter, in my basement") and "Pussy" (I will go abroad to get laid by some minor, because that's not possible in my home country")
For me, musically, lyrically, and thematically "Fruehling in Paris" still is the highlight of the album, as it is (imo) about a young man or boy losing his virginity to a French prostitute whose language he doesn't understand.