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What strikes me is how much more active the arms are in this swing than the torso. I feel like the dominant motion is the arms swinging down out and up, and the upper body remaining relatively still or only following the arm motion. It doesn't look that way, of course, because obviously he turns his upper body, but I feel like if you start the downswing by turning the torso before pulling down with the arms, that's what causes the outstide-in slice. And that's what most people do. I think that's the goal of the circle drill - to teach you that the arm-circle is primary, and the body turn secondary.
Bro that’s 1000% right. Once once I understood that (thanks to this channel) I finally understood the swing. The torso is only good for rotating once the arms lower the club.
I have been trying to hit a draw for years..taken lessons and all I got was frustrated. I think I was drawing the ball in less than 12 minutes after watching your video. Thanks for the lesson. Short and to the point.
I'm generally a straight driver of the golf ball, sometimes I get a draw, it just happens. After watching your video & working on the range I can now draw the ball at will, I love that. Thanks Scott
These guys deserve a Nobel Prize for the work they do for average golfers like us. They combine physics/science with common sense explanations and feels....and it’s incredible. I’ve taken lessons from GolfTec and it’s not the same. Others just tell you the numbers/angles but don’t explain the how or why. Every time I am struggling with a portion of my game, I search AMG “anything” and within 1-2 range sessions it clicks. Thank you both for the way you are changing the instruction game!
What a great tip .I got a new cobra driver this year and have been struggled to draw the ball .I am a 5 hdcp player . I used the drag drill on the range for about an hr .Then went out to play, i was able to draw every drive but one shot 69 on a par 71 with 3 bogeys . My foresome wants to no my secret . Don't think i'm going to tell til after our club championship . Thanks again what a great website
Good drills guys. For the older guys, the new drivers vs persimmon, much more difficult to work the ball IMO. The faces are more flat and square, less bulge and roll. With the colored sticks, this is the old Nicklaus (where I first heard it) concept. Line your feet on the line you wish the ball to start Line up your club face to the target Then swing along the foot line. The drag the club head on the ground is a good drill for a lot of faults.
Wish I had seen this video before my round this weekend! I was hitting my driver straight for the first few holes and then started slicing and I couldn't fix it. Made for a bad day. I was focused on making sure the club face was square (it was), but didn't realize I was finishing my swing low and to the left. I just went to the range and tried finishing my swing high and to the right and bam, big old draw. Thanks for making it easy!
I watched the video, the technique explained makes sense 100%. Went to driving range, still kept slicing. I must be doing something horribly wrong with my swing. I need more practices for sure..
After fighting slices for my early golf career, I've now been hooking everything for the last few years. I'd love to see a fade video from you guys next. Would maybe help me cancel our the hooks. Love everything you put out.. thanks
I understand and concur with the approach here, and yet the AMG fellas also have videos talking about how a ‘neutral’ setup is a little bit open and you can hit draws from that setup and alignment. It seems quite contradictory.
Great video. One detail I am not clear on is how to achieve a clubface that is sightly closed to the path. Are you achieving that by aggressively rolling your forearms ("swing the club head past your body", as Shaun says) or are you setting a slightly closed cubface when you take your grip a la Jack Nicklaus?
A big piece of hitting a draw that is seldom talked about is releasing the club head. If your hands are ahead of your club head it’s very difficult to hit a draw.
All my life I have struggled with a slight OTT movement at the start of my downswing (but never on a practice swing!!!). This results in very unsatisfactory strikes and many many different attempts at compensating for that wrong move. Played off a h'cp of 5 or lower for many years. Now aged 75 I need a draw. Hope this helps.
Thanks guys. In terms of self-correction then. You mentioned snap hooking some of these. How do we sort ourselves out if we start doing this? Is it a path problem, a closed face problem, an arm/hands roll problem?
Snap hooking is an indication there's a big difference between path and face. If those hooks are starting straightish or left then hooking, look at the face being too closed to the path.
Check this out, David, if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/jJZr3cxfbdA/видео.html The key is keeping that lead shoulder low as you lower your arms/hands. Without a doubt, most golfers pop that shoulder up to lower the arms which creates all sorts of issues afterward.
Hi guys. Quick question. When you align the body to the yellow cane “to the right” and the club face to the blue cane “slightly closed to the body” how are you doing that. Are you twisting the club so it’s closed to the path then re-gripping. Or, are you opening the face to the “target line” then aiming the body further right than where the club face is aiming. I’ve always found that bit confusing. Thanks.
The face can be square to the body line, it just needs to be closed to the swing path. I would start with that first. Then if you need it a little more closed, take your grip after you set the face.👍
is the body line not the same thing as the path line then? ie do we have a ball to target line ,a club face line,a body line to the right of the two previous lines and finally a path line even further right of the body line????
Not sure if you have covered this, but I slice due to early extension...not coming over the top. I extend and then hit the ball on the heel. Do you have any good early extension drills? BTW, have some Southern Boys to watch while I'm up here in Chicago is really refreshing!!!
Is the idea the same for irons? For the life of me I cannot shape my irons, fades or draws, they all seem to go straight whether a push or pull sometimes but still straight, which is fine but sometimes I want to shape it.
When I line up to drive the ball is basically lined up with my heel. When I turn my stance to the right this also changes the ball position between my feet. Do I readjust to have the ball back in line with my heel? Nobody ever talks about that.
All I can seem to do is make the ball go further right than I intended (face open?) and dead straight, any thoughts? Currently just trying with my 54* wedge cause I'm in a park.
You most definitely will not see the results with a 54 that you will we low loft like a driver. The wedge imparts way too much backspin making it much more difficult to tilt its axis. It's always easier to curve less loft.
guys,once you have alingned your body to the right do you close the club face slightly before your backswing starts or is the face closed by the wrist and forearms on the downswing or do you do both?
Thx you both, great video, learned a lot today. just subscribed with you, one question, is the club face towards right or aim the target the line? If you have a pic of your club face. That will be great!!! Many many thx. Johny
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks. Asking because I had an instructor tell me to square it up through the ball but I think you’re telling me to start squaring it up on the downswing?
I have a 14.4 handicap. I've been playing with TM burners I purchased of the rack back in 07. I'm currently in the hun for new irons. Looking at TM P790 Mizuno 919 forged Ping i500 Titleist AP3 And PXG 0211 because I would get 50% off. I the irons mentioned which would you be inclined to recommend? I will try all of them and get professionally fitted, I just would like a Pro honest opinion.
Louie, those are all really solid irons. I would probably not suggest the Ping's. As long as you don't have any crazy loft lie requirements, the TM and AP3 would be my top options.
Athletic Motion Golf, I appreciate the response. Thank you. I forgot to mention that PXG is giving me a free Driver as well...but I will have to go with what I hit best.
3:00 'that no one can play' holy shit I aught to send you guys video of my dad. he has been playing it for a couple years now and we both got our handicaps to 3. It's incredible to watch and jokingly my dad asked the pro to 'give him a lesson' and pro walked away laughing and simply replied 'you have great hand eye coordination'. It's like an almost 3/4 swing that ends up being almost all wrist and a punch thru. asshat shot a 68 with it...took my $5 that day
My divots all point extremely 30 degrees right. I have to aim way left, then push draw it. It’s mostly a block hook, but I just gotta yell at it through apex. Funny you mention water right. I aim left, it starts way over the water right, then comes back. It’s funny. My buddies make fun of my severe push hook. They say I have the Jim Furyk swingpath, bit it feels straight back and forth to me. I guess I’m the opposite. I tried an over the top swing, and trackman still said I was way in to out. I can’t win.
You didn’t show the club angle slightly closed or the position of the ball in relation to your feet. You repeated a lot of things . We got it the first time.
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What strikes me is how much more active the arms are in this swing than the torso. I feel like the dominant motion is the arms swinging down out and up, and the upper body remaining relatively still or only following the arm motion. It doesn't look that way, of course, because obviously he turns his upper body, but I feel like if you start the downswing by turning the torso before pulling down with the arms, that's what causes the outstide-in slice. And that's what most people do. I think that's the goal of the circle drill - to teach you that the arm-circle is primary, and the body turn secondary.
Bro that’s 1000% right. Once once I understood that (thanks to this channel) I finally understood the swing. The torso is only good for rotating once the arms lower the club.
I have been trying to hit a draw for years..taken lessons and all I got was frustrated. I think I was drawing the ball in less than 12 minutes after watching your video. Thanks for the lesson. Short and to the point.
I'm generally a straight driver of the golf ball, sometimes I get a draw, it just happens. After watching your video & working on the range I can now draw the ball at will, I love that.
Thanks Scott
One of the better approaches to hitting the draw; the visualizations,the alignment and the drills. Good video!
These guys deserve a Nobel Prize for the work they do for average golfers like us. They combine physics/science with common sense explanations and feels....and it’s incredible. I’ve taken lessons from GolfTec and it’s not the same. Others just tell you the numbers/angles but don’t explain the how or why. Every time I am struggling with a portion of my game, I search AMG “anything” and within 1-2 range sessions it clicks. Thank you both for the way you are changing the instruction game!
Awesome, thanks for the kind words, Steve🙏. We're pumped the videos are helping your game!
What a great tip .I got a new cobra driver this year and have been struggled to draw the ball .I am a 5 hdcp player . I used the drag drill on the range for about an hr .Then went out to play, i was able to draw every drive but one shot 69 on a par 71 with 3 bogeys . My foresome wants to no my secret . Don't think i'm going to tell til after our club championship . Thanks again what a great website
Absolutely do not share that secret!🤑 That's awesome, Gary, GREAT JOB!
Good drills guys.
For the older guys, the new drivers vs persimmon, much more difficult to work the ball IMO.
The faces are more flat and square, less bulge and roll.
With the colored sticks, this is the old Nicklaus (where I first heard it) concept.
Line your feet on the line you wish the ball to start
Line up your club face to the target
Then swing along the foot line.
The drag the club head on the ground is a good drill for a lot of faults.
Great stuff, B👊
Wish I had seen this video before my round this weekend! I was hitting my driver straight for the first few holes and then started slicing and I couldn't fix it. Made for a bad day. I was focused on making sure the club face was square (it was), but didn't realize I was finishing my swing low and to the left. I just went to the range and tried finishing my swing high and to the right and bam, big old draw. Thanks for making it easy!
I have never heard of this drill. Fantastic results for such a small change. Thanks again for the great instruction.
Love it👊
I watched the video, the technique explained makes sense 100%. Went to driving range, still kept slicing. I must be doing something horribly wrong with my swing. I need more practices for sure..
After fighting slices for my early golf career, I've now been hooking everything for the last few years. I'd love to see a fade video from you guys next. Would maybe help me cancel our the hooks. Love everything you put out.. thanks
Stephane Gauthier we released a fade video last month on RUclips. It’s Power Fade video
@@shaunwebb3766 Oh. weird. my search didn't find it for some reason. Thanks guys!
@@shaunwebb3766 damn... I still can't find it... searched for 'power' and 'fade' and can't find it...
@@shaunwebb3766 Never mind... I found it! It's called "Hitting Major PGA Championship Winning Drives"
I understand and concur with the approach here, and yet the AMG fellas also have videos talking about how a ‘neutral’ setup is a little bit open and you can hit draws from that setup and alignment. It seems quite contradictory.
Great video. One detail I am not clear on is how to achieve a clubface that is sightly closed to the path. Are you achieving that by aggressively rolling your forearms ("swing the club head past your body", as Shaun says) or are you setting a slightly closed cubface when you take your grip a la Jack Nicklaus?
Very good drill to get the feel and visualise this shaping of the draw
A big piece of hitting a draw that is seldom talked about is releasing the club head. If your hands are ahead of your club head it’s very difficult to hit a draw.
The one thing you forgot to say it's where you put the ball in your stance.
Best drill for a draw yet. "Don't be part of the heard". Brilliant!
Great shots!! 🤩
All my life I have struggled with a slight OTT movement at the start of my downswing (but never on a practice swing!!!). This results in very unsatisfactory strikes and many many different attempts at compensating for that wrong move. Played off a h'cp of 5 or lower for many years. Now aged 75 I need a draw. Hope this helps.
Great drill. I can’t wait to get to the range tomorrow morning to practice this drill. Thanks for all the content
awesome! Let us know how it goes👍
Glad you put a tracer line on the ball.
Really really good video as a LH I now know what I am doing wrong and even better know what to do right
Thanks guys. In terms of self-correction then. You mentioned snap hooking some of these. How do we sort ourselves out if we start doing this? Is it a path problem, a closed face problem, an arm/hands roll problem?
Snap hooking is an indication there's a big difference between path and face. If those hooks are starting straightish or left then hooking, look at the face being too closed to the path.
it certainly helps to have a right to left wind as in this video too ;0
During this video, Shaun mentioned a previous video on wrist motion. Could you direct me how to access that video?
This is a great video. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Very informative thanks a lot great stuff 👍
Hey guys, can you talk about how to start your hands on a downward path?
Check this out, David, if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/jJZr3cxfbdA/видео.html
The key is keeping that lead shoulder low as you lower your arms/hands. Without a doubt, most golfers pop that shoulder up to lower the arms which creates all sorts of issues afterward.
Hi guys. Quick question. When you align the body to the yellow cane “to the right” and the club face to the blue cane “slightly closed to the body” how are you doing that. Are you twisting the club so it’s closed to the path then re-gripping. Or, are you opening the face to the “target line” then aiming the body further right than where the club face is aiming. I’ve always found that bit confusing. Thanks.
The face can be square to the body line, it just needs to be closed to the swing path. I would start with that first. Then if you need it a little more closed, take your grip after you set the face.👍
is the body line not the same thing as the path line then? ie do we have a ball to target line ,a club face line,a body line to the right of the two previous lines and finally a path line even further right of the body line????
@@murf6023 No sir, the path is the direction the club is moving through impact. If the face is closed to that, the ball will draw.
@@AthleticMotionGolf
to close the face to the club path you have to rotate the lead forearm ?
@@arjunreddy8280 Yep, you can do it with lead forearm and flatter lead wrist angle👍
What's the ball position in this draw set up please?
This works awesome. Use it with my clients who slice and it’s gone in 5 swings
Love it!
Not sure if you have covered this, but I slice due to early extension...not coming over the top. I extend and then hit the ball on the heel. Do you have any good early extension drills? BTW, have some Southern Boys to watch while I'm up here in Chicago is really refreshing!!!
Awesome video
Mike, you talked about not having to "suck it under" @7:16. I've heard that a couple of times, but what does that mean?
I’d love to see a similar video for the fade
@@mattw731 we’ve done that one too 👊🙂
@@AthleticMotionGolf can you link an AGM foot soldier? I can’t find it lol
Is the idea the same for irons? For the life of me I cannot shape my irons, fades or draws, they all seem to go straight whether a push or pull sometimes but still straight, which is fine but sometimes I want to shape it.
Absolutely, the golf ball doesn't care what you're doing this with😊
when I line up right, I pull the shot left. its a bullet, but not a draw. I cannot fix my path on the course, easy on the range. golf is hard.
When I line up to drive the ball is basically lined up with my heel. When I turn my stance to the right this also changes the ball position between my feet. Do I readjust to have the ball back in line with my heel? Nobody ever talks about that.
@@johnb8806 yep 👍
All I can seem to do is make the ball go further right than I intended (face open?) and dead straight, any thoughts? Currently just trying with my 54* wedge cause I'm in a park.
You most definitely will not see the results with a 54 that you will we low loft like a driver. The wedge imparts way too much backspin making it much more difficult to tilt its axis. It's always easier to curve less loft.
guys,once you have alingned your body to the right do you close the club face slightly before your backswing starts or is the face closed by the wrist and forearms on the downswing or do you do both?
Start with downswing, Michael, very early in the downswing.
can you still hit draws with hand path exiting low left?
You can play any shot shape with the hands exiting back up the plane👍
Thx you both, great video, learned a lot today. just subscribed with you, one question, is the club face towards right or aim the target the line? If you have a pic of your club face. That will be great!!! Many many thx.
Johny
It just needs to be left of path at impact.
Are you actually trying to turn it over with your hands? Thanks.
The lead forearm rotates roughly 100 degrees in the downswing. Not sure how else someone would get the club from open to square in 1/4 second😉
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks. Asking because I had an instructor tell me to square it up through the ball but I think you’re telling me to start squaring it up on the downswing?
I have a 14.4 handicap. I've been playing with TM burners I purchased of the rack back in 07. I'm currently in the hun for new irons.
Looking at
TM P790
Mizuno 919 forged
Ping i500
Titleist AP3
And PXG 0211 because I would get 50% off.
I the irons mentioned which would you be inclined to recommend?
I will try all of them and get professionally fitted, I just would like a Pro honest opinion.
Louie, those are all really solid irons. I would probably not suggest the Ping's. As long as you don't have any crazy loft lie requirements, the TM and AP3 would be my top options.
Athletic Motion Golf, I appreciate the response. Thank you. I forgot to mention that PXG is giving me a free Driver as well...but I will have to go with what I hit best.
@@loutorres1965 You'll have a hard time making a bad decision from that group.
When you aim it to the right should you play it further back in your stance?
Make one adjustment at a time, Derrick, so you'll have a better chance and dialing it in for the right amount of curve for you.
TURN THE SLICE INTO SOMETHIN NICE
3:00 'that no one can play' holy shit I aught to send you guys video of my dad. he has been playing it for a couple years now and we both got our handicaps to 3. It's incredible to watch and jokingly my dad asked the pro to 'give him a lesson' and pro walked away laughing and simply replied 'you have great hand eye coordination'. It's like an almost 3/4 swing that ends up being almost all wrist and a punch thru. asshat shot a 68 with it...took my $5 that day
My divots all point extremely 30 degrees right. I have to aim way left, then push draw it. It’s mostly a block hook, but I just gotta yell at it through apex. Funny you mention water right. I aim left, it starts way over the water right, then comes back. It’s funny. My buddies make fun of my severe push hook. They say I have the Jim Furyk swingpath, bit it feels straight back and forth to me. I guess I’m the opposite. I tried an over the top swing, and trackman still said I was way in to out. I can’t win.
Does your swing transition from the top steep or shallow?
Athletic Motion Golf it shallows out a lot (like Jim Furyk).
@@joesmith389 Then I'm guessing it doesn't steepen enough late... sounds like it comes through way under plane.
Im finding it i.possible to hit a draw. 6 or 7 years ago i hot a draw naturally. Just disappeared outta my game. At my wits end!!
I’m the weirdest golfer in the world cause I can draw my irons easily but can’t never hook my woods and driver 😭😂🤷🏻♂️
Count your blessings 😄
You didn’t show the club angle slightly closed or the position of the ball in relation to your feet. You repeated a lot of things . We got it the first time.
Way to much talking and not enough showing.