Zenith Elite watches are underrated. I think elite movements may be El Primero based but nerfed with a similar spec and second-hand placement. So it might be El Primero in disguise
While you covered some well known premium brands, the contents of this video had me immediately replay it, so that I fully remembered everything that you said. That's not because the presentation was not up to your usual standard, but because I found this to be the most interesting video of yours that I have ever viewed. That's because it made me appreciate your real message, which was that I may be able to lift my ambitions and be able to afford to buy a premium grade watch at a price that I would be prepared to pay, for a watch that I could really enjoy by wearing it on a daily basis. Not to impress others, just to enjoy wearing a fine quality watch. Every Watch Channel covers the popular premium brands in great detail, but I always learn something new and interesting by subscribing to your channel. Phil
Fed’s prices are always competitive, even if you sell to him, he doesn’t completely rip you off the way other places I won’t name do. Always been a pleasure doing business with you guys.
I'm a very low-end customer, but love the occasional quirky piece that comes up. I feel like Fed and John have treated my humble transactions with the same professionalism and courtesy that they give to buyers of their high-end pieces. Very satisfied and I will buy from them again.
This is a great looking diver with a nice level of build quality. Nothing wrong with it or the ETA movement either. Excellent clasp too. The problem here is the price and it's comparison to Rolex and even the fifty fathoms in some videos. I have a lot of respect for you Tim and the watchbox channel. But let's please get over ourselves when talking up this piece too much. I love it but never paying 6k.
The price level in the US is pretty good for customers...but living in Europe I have to add shipping costs, taxes and customs charges. So it doesn't make sense for me to buy outside the EU. Unfortunately.
Same goes for me unfortunately, I have seen several watches I would love to buy but it’s just not worth it. Hey Federico, how about special prices for Dutch folks?
@Gordon XYZ. Perhaps some of the collectors who view this channel in Europe could s advise Frederico how to set up a Branch Office in Zurich. Lol, Phil.
Panerais look mint on big guys (no offense Fede..im tiny) it seems its got to be the most legible thing in the world in the dark.Im really getting into GP thanx to you;they should make you a sponsor.Zenith is also catching my attention much more as in person (like w so many other brands)they look fantastic.Check out the film 6 underground for multiple Chopard wristwatch checks
L.U.C. 1860 with cal. 196 was an absolutely, absolutely beautiful watch. To me one of the best ever made. Absolutely perfect from movement to look. The current L.U.C. line is way below the beauty of that watch. Technically very, very good, but the aesthetic is rather disappointing. Chopard reminds me somehow of Ebel, a brand that made some beautiful original watches (Le Modulor f.i.) and now only quasi anonymous stuff, mostly quartz and bijoux for women. What a pity. I would kill for an original 1860 L.U.C.
Federico, I think that if we want bring back the market back and the watches at his real value, we should stop to put emphasis on the "Lose A TON Of Value" argument. We know that 99% of the watches are not an investment anymore, unfortunately most of the new buyers didn't realise yet and still contaminating the soul of Horology persecuting only the few timepieces we already know...
Federico , is the current virus situation impacting your Delray business?Have you seen more people selling their watches to you and/or less people buying from you?
Great speaking to you About my Zenith & wanted to know what would be a complimentary band brands that you can recommend I can exchange the lizard band with? Since, Summer is coming ✌️🌞
The late Gino Macaluso really turned GP around. I'm a huge fan of the 1945 three bridges. Of all the brands who had associations with Ferrari, GP really did the partnership justice. Its sad that GPs rich watchmaking history goes unnoticed by enthusiasts who seem stuck on the usual brands kind of like someone who ignores the history of Bugatti and thinks the Chiron is the best Bugatti ever made.
What I believe what turns people off the Zenith Elite collection is the fact that Zenith guarantees only the accuracy of -15/+15 s/d on average. It clearly states in the manuals that the watch may accumulate 5 mintues of gain or loss in the course of one month. Surely, most buyers are lucky and the average rates are around -2/+2 s/d, but if you get unlucky, just regulating the Zenith at the authorized service center can cost around 300€.
Loved the video but I actually have an unrelated question. I have found that I am spending less and less time following watch relating content and researching watches. I was super into watches for a while but I have noticed my passion dwindling. I have still been wearing my datejust every day and its not like I have fallen out of love with watches, but I'm in college so its not like I can pick anything new up and was wondering if this is a natural thing that you have experienced in the past?
Don't know what that says about Breitling though. Does the brand not qualify because they don't lose as much value, or do they not qualify for not being held in high regard?
Its a shame about Breitling. I'm in my late 30's now, but i remember growing up admiring Breitlings as being these high end, 'cool guy' watches that you'd wear when you were flying a fighter jet, lol! Now it's fallen out of favour with current trends, macho has become unpopular, in the watch community anyway
@@kazmanscoop I kinda disagree, steel sports watch(in terms of watches what is more "macho" are what's 'in' I think Breitling fell out of favour because people realized that they offer very little utility/value at their price range. The movements are decorated ETA's, the finishing is not great, the designs are not that creative etc.
@@bruhyeat7887 agree, I just find their designs unappealing.. I actually want to love a Brietling but they are too close to a Tag Heuer vibe for Zenith/Rolex money. This model is so close to being beautiful but misses the mark. It's like Ricky Gervais said about Steve Carell.. "he's almost handsome" hodinkee.imgix.net/uploads/images/1587041013556-8irmcigbgx6-98fe86982bc0aece18e638484148c9c4/hero.jpg?ixlib=rails-1.1.0&fm=jpg&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=crop&ch=Width%2CDPR%2CSave-Data&alt=
Parmigiani Fleurier could be had for HUGE discounts and are absolutely wonderful. You can get them for much less money than comparable watches (grey market or used; new prices are very high). I'd put them up against some of the very best watches out there.
IZenith blocked me on their Instagram page. Reason: I only wrote on their page that there is almost no interest for the Elite version. The public likes the El Primero not the Elite. Maybe Zenith should re-design te Elite to become more popular.
I notice you have the Ball Cannonball on your website. What are your personal feelings on Ball? I'm a collector who buys watches on whether a like them or not, but I do value quality. I could careless about resale value
The best bargain are GP, "haute horlogerie" watches from an historical manufacture . Of course these watches are not for investors but for enthousiasts. I have one and the quality is amazing, better than Rolex or Omega (I'm an Omega lover but to be honest, in terms of perceived quality, GP is really better at least for vintage).
Federico, Best wishes during the pandemic. You and I are both blessed to be able to work remotely during this time. I think a lot of the micro brands and independents fall into this category. I've just purchased a Balticus Grey Seal II. Obviously, I don't have the budget for the big hitters. But that's just it. If 10K for a watch is intimidating, then you are the wrong person to be a watch investor. It doesn't mean you can't be, like myself, a watch lover.
I’d love to hear your thoughts on Chronoswiss. I’ve owned many different watches over many years but only very recently has a passion for horology unexpectedly developed. The view is entirely different from this new perspective (also... not a cheap thing to be passionate about). I don’t see Chronoswiss garnering much attention but I think some of their lines are exceptional designs with a level of finish on par with that of their more well known and sought after competitors.
I picked up a Zenith Elite movement watch with moonphase and grand date for just under $3,500 about a year ago. As far as I know you can't even sniff an in-house moonphase made in the last 20 years for that price from anyone else. It's a fantastic watch, accuracy is -1.5/day despite not being chronometer certified. I always tell people to looks for non-El Primero Zeniths if they seek a bargain. If you plan to ever sell it you may want to stay away though, because a competing listing from when I bought mine is still up today on Chrono24. So they obviously do not move with any kind of urgency. I have noticed that they seem to be worth a lot more in Europe though. Like, a good 25% more on average. The Defy line seems to be picking up steam for Zenith, perhaps they'll break out of the El Primero rut in the future.
Good video. I absolutely love high quality watches that loose the value since I usually only buy luxury watches pre owned I specifically keep my eye out for those types of watches that have been overlooked and underrated or for whatever reason they don't hold there value. Instead of always looking at what's the most popular. 👍
Fed, THIS is what you do best and one of the reasons we love you! Your knowledge goes far beyond mainstream brands. Great content as always, thank you!
Hi Frederico, a Short and a very good video. I totally agree. Especially with GP or Zenith. Both of them totally underrated and of course beautiful watches. For 50% of value for this watches some companies offer a Revision only.
Funny story - about 10 years ago I clipped my Datejust 36 just right on a door jamb, knocked the Cyclops clean off. Had an idea - I have an ESQ “fashion diver” watch I really liked, except the date window was just too small. A little clear optical glue and the Cyclops on it worked like a charm.
Then I liked the look of the DJ so wore it that way about a month. Finally went to the AD and asked if Rolex Service could replace just the crystal, no Cyclops, but they talked me out of it. So a new crystal and Cyclops went on. And I have both to this day. (And a few more ;-) ).
GP remind me a bit of zenith in that they are well respected by us watch geeks and great value propositions.. but we often end up choosing something else anyway! I love the laureato and the defy skeleton but realistically will still end up buying an Explorer for more money anyway.
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Good to see you back Fed. How's the lockdown going over there? Best regards from Sheffield South Yorkshire England 😀😺
Could be worse my friend, I cant complain. Hope you are well.
Zenith Elite watches are underrated. I think elite movements may be El Primero based but nerfed with a similar spec and second-hand placement. So it might be El Primero in disguise
There's a Frederique Constant on your site that's listed as "Slimeline". It got a chuckle out of me.
Jacob & Co plummet so low its incredible. Your thoughts on that brand?
Never get tired of seeing gp....theres not nearly enough coverage on this brand on yt
Agreed
On Producer Michael today, a watch dealer was actually giving watches away, Rolex, Panerai, JLC, I thought I’d give you the heads up.
Those are all totally legit recommendations. I can't think of another better value-for-money than those three.
While you covered some well known premium brands, the contents of this video had me immediately replay it, so that I fully remembered everything that you said.
That's not because the presentation was not up to your usual standard, but because I found this to be the most interesting video of yours that I have ever viewed.
That's because it made me appreciate your real message, which was that I may be able to lift my ambitions and be able to afford to buy a premium grade watch at a price that I would be prepared to pay, for a watch that I could really enjoy by wearing it on a daily basis. Not to impress others, just to enjoy wearing a fine quality watch.
Every Watch Channel covers the popular premium brands in great detail, but I always learn something new and interesting by subscribing to your channel. Phil
Fed’s prices are always competitive, even if you sell to him, he doesn’t completely rip you off the way other places I won’t name do. Always been a pleasure doing business with you guys.
I'm a very low-end customer, but love the occasional quirky piece that comes up. I feel like Fed and John have treated my humble transactions with the same professionalism and courtesy that they give to buyers of their high-end pieces. Very satisfied and I will buy from them again.
Love the L.U.C. line of Chopard. I have one, and the 1.96 caliber (designed by Parmagiani) is brilliant. Pre-owned they are a true bargain.
L.U.C. line is soooooo underrated. Some models fascinating me especially L.U.C. 1860 from the 90's
GP very underrated. Zenith non-Chrono pieces don't seem to get a look in and Chopard non-racing versions just as you say. Great video!
GP is so fucking badly run it's not even funny.
I'm one of the window shoppers on your website. Maybe I'll pull the trigger one day.
i got a GP 1945 18kr rose gold case only 3k$... scary..
This is a great looking diver with a nice level of build quality. Nothing wrong with it or the ETA movement either. Excellent clasp too. The problem here is the price and it's comparison to Rolex and even the fifty fathoms in some videos. I have a lot of respect for you Tim and the watchbox channel. But let's
please get over ourselves when talking up this piece too much. I love it but never paying 6k.
GREAT content. Finally someone talking about Chopard and Gerrard Perragaux
The price level in the US is pretty good for customers...but living in Europe I have to add shipping costs, taxes and customs charges. So it doesn't make sense for me to buy outside the EU. Unfortunately.
Same goes for me unfortunately, I have seen several watches I would love to buy but it’s just not worth it.
Hey Federico, how about special prices for Dutch folks?
@Gordon XYZ. Perhaps some of the collectors who view this channel in Europe could s advise Frederico how to set up a Branch Office in Zurich.
Lol, Phil.
@@phillipmoodie9071
Not a good idea. Switzerland is not part of the EU.
I believe Federico would prefer Italy...😏
@@robbertblok5612
OK. I'm dutch from now on😊
Panerais look mint on big guys (no offense Fede..im tiny) it seems its got to be the most legible thing in the world in the dark.Im really getting into GP thanx to you;they should make you a sponsor.Zenith is also catching my attention much more as in person (like w so many other brands)they look fantastic.Check out the film 6 underground for multiple Chopard wristwatch checks
L.U.C. 1860 with cal. 196 was an absolutely, absolutely beautiful watch. To me one of the best ever made. Absolutely perfect from movement to look. The current L.U.C. line is way below the beauty of that watch. Technically very, very good, but the aesthetic is rather disappointing. Chopard reminds me somehow of Ebel, a brand that made some beautiful original watches (Le Modulor f.i.) and now only quasi anonymous stuff, mostly quartz and bijoux for women. What a pity. I would kill for an original 1860 L.U.C.
Doesn't matter...if you love the watch. When you marry your wife does she get younger over the years?😂
Federico, I think that if we want bring back the market back and the watches at his real value, we should stop to put emphasis on the "Lose A TON Of Value" argument. We know that 99% of the watches are not an investment anymore, unfortunately most of the new buyers didn't realise yet and still contaminating the soul of Horology persecuting only the few timepieces we already know...
Federico , is the current virus situation impacting your Delray business?Have you seen more people selling their watches to you and/or less people buying from you?
Again, I hear something that makes me THINK on this channel. Thank you, Federico!
Great vid Fed! What do you think about the 38mm El Primero in RG? Great deals out there
For me watches are to buy and enjoy loosing values I don’t really care about
Thanks Fed. New GP had to be on the list but glad you gave the other 2 some love. Stay well!
This blue Zenith moonphase, can someone please help me find the reference number? Thanks
Great info like always. As a novice collector I get a TON out of your HONEST videos. Thank you.
Great speaking to you
About my Zenith &
wanted to know
what would be a complimentary band brands that you can recommend I can
exchange the lizard band with?
Since, Summer is coming
✌️🌞
The late Gino Macaluso really turned GP around. I'm a huge fan of the 1945 three bridges. Of all the brands who had associations with Ferrari, GP really did the partnership justice. Its sad that GPs rich watchmaking history goes unnoticed by enthusiasts who seem stuck on the usual brands kind of like someone who ignores the history of Bugatti and thinks the Chiron is the best Bugatti ever made.
Thanks to the Rolex hype..A lot of good companies fly under the radar of many enthusiasts. .
Does the Zenith Defy come at a great price? Kinda looks like an AP
Still relatively expensive. I love that watch.
What I believe what turns people off the Zenith Elite collection is the fact that Zenith guarantees only the accuracy of -15/+15 s/d on average. It clearly states in the manuals that the watch may accumulate 5 mintues of gain or loss in the course of one month. Surely, most buyers are lucky and the average rates are around -2/+2 s/d, but if you get unlucky, just regulating the Zenith at the authorized service center can cost around 300€.
Loved the video but I actually have an unrelated question. I have found that I am spending less and less time following watch relating content and researching watches. I was super into watches for a while but I have noticed my passion dwindling. I have still been wearing my datejust every day and its not like I have fallen out of love with watches, but I'm in college so its not like I can pick anything new up and was wondering if this is a natural thing that you have experienced in the past?
All Breitling owners (like me) were just waiting with their breath held, then let out a sigh of relief when you got to Zenith at the end.
Don't know what that says about Breitling though. Does the brand not qualify because they don't lose as much value, or do they not qualify for not being held in high regard?
Its a shame about Breitling. I'm in my late 30's now, but i remember growing up admiring Breitlings as being these high end, 'cool guy' watches that you'd wear when you were flying a fighter jet, lol! Now it's fallen out of favour with current trends, macho has become unpopular, in the watch community anyway
@@kazmanscoop I kinda disagree, steel sports watch(in terms of watches what is more "macho" are what's 'in' I think Breitling fell out of favour because people realized that they offer very little utility/value at their price range. The movements are decorated ETA's, the finishing is not great, the designs are not that creative etc.
@@bruhyeat7887 agree, I just find their designs unappealing.. I actually want to love a Brietling but they are too close to a Tag Heuer vibe for Zenith/Rolex money.
This model is so close to being beautiful but misses the mark. It's like Ricky Gervais said about Steve Carell.. "he's almost handsome"
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Have you achieved enough fame to sell sweat-soaked straps for a premium yet?
What do you think about Chopard Super Fats?
Eterna is another one of those brands. Really good watches, drop like crazy even before the watch has had its first owner.
Yes. Company with great heritage. Nowadays underrated. They are going down pretty fast..
I’ve never seen a Swiss watch brand so heavily discounted as Eterna. Longines, Baume & Mercier quality for less than half the price.
@George Grasser
Shall I call it passion?
I hope you are doing better.
The gold ultra thin Piaget chrono on your site is a beauty. Crazy good deal on that.
I love the Zenith pilot type 20, especially with that onion crown. One of my favorites
Parmigiani Fleurier could be had for HUGE discounts and are absolutely wonderful. You can get them for much less money than comparable watches (grey market or used; new prices are very high). I'd put them up against some of the very best watches out there.
Parmigiani is severely underrated. Their movements are up there with THE best! They've been surprisingly appreciating in value as of late.
I recently got a zenith used for over 50% off retail. I’m super happy with it
IZenith blocked me on their Instagram page.
Reason: I only wrote on their page that there is almost no interest for the Elite version.
The public likes the El Primero not the Elite. Maybe Zenith should re-design te Elite to become more popular.
can u please review TISSOT GENTLEMAN POWERMATIC 80 SILICIUM?planning to buy it
I notice you have the Ball Cannonball on your website. What are your personal feelings on Ball? I'm a collector who buys watches on whether a like them or not, but I do value quality. I could careless about resale value
Nice to see you back with the pro set up Fed. 😍
The best bargain are GP, "haute horlogerie" watches from an historical manufacture . Of course these watches are not for investors but for enthousiasts. I have one and the quality is amazing, better than Rolex or Omega (I'm an Omega lover but to be honest, in terms of perceived quality, GP is really better at least for vintage).
Federico,
Best wishes during the pandemic. You and I are both blessed to be able to work remotely during this time. I think a lot of the micro brands and independents fall into this category. I've just purchased a Balticus Grey Seal II. Obviously, I don't have the budget for the big hitters. But that's just it. If 10K for a watch is intimidating, then you are the wrong person to be a watch investor. It doesn't mean you can't be, like myself, a watch lover.
Appreciate your open-mindedness and advice. I'm so sick of hearing about unobtainable watch.
Dear Fed, how about Breguet? Btw, l own two GPs, great watch. Really like them
Watching this video whilst unboxing my El Primero (used) which I just received today. Damn it’s gorgeous.
Federico is now a good time to buy??Do you think high end watches will drop slightly? Rolex etc
I’d love to hear your thoughts on Chronoswiss. I’ve owned many different watches over many years but only very recently has a passion for horology unexpectedly developed. The view is entirely different from this new perspective (also... not a cheap thing to be passionate about). I don’t see Chronoswiss garnering much attention but I think some of their lines are exceptional designs with a level of finish on par with that of their more well known and sought after competitors.
What is your opinion seiko credor gcbr997 and Zenith Captain Dual Time watches ???
Didn't realize Zenith was discounted that much on grey market. I will check out your website.
Chopard L.U.C Regulator - 8 days power reserve, GMT, regulator layout, date. Insane watch that I will never be able to afford.
Hi Freddy, good to see you again. Stay healthy and stay safe
Thanks so much Rick
any chance you could do a review of the Ikepod Chrono and Cartier Roadster Chrono you have in stock. both watches have always intrigued me.
Zenith needs a rebranding strategy, great value prop for connoisseur's.
Are there any “inexpensive” repeater watches out there? Have you ever discussed Ressence watches on your channel?
24 chrono is so expensive... which sites do you recommend for second hand?
Hey Fed ! Great video as usual, keep going like this ! Totally agree on Chopard L.U.C series, especially regarding cal.96 family 👌🏼
Sea hawk 3 by perregeaux is the most underrated best diver watch ever ! I also own Chopard
I picked up a Zenith Elite movement watch with moonphase and grand date for just under $3,500 about a year ago. As far as I know you can't even sniff an in-house moonphase made in the last 20 years for that price from anyone else. It's a fantastic watch, accuracy is -1.5/day despite not being chronometer certified. I always tell people to looks for non-El Primero Zeniths if they seek a bargain. If you plan to ever sell it you may want to stay away though, because a competing listing from when I bought mine is still up today on Chrono24. So they obviously do not move with any kind of urgency. I have noticed that they seem to be worth a lot more in Europe though. Like, a good 25% more on average. The Defy line seems to be picking up steam for Zenith, perhaps they'll break out of the El Primero rut in the future.
Good video. I absolutely love high quality watches that loose the value since I usually only buy luxury watches pre owned I specifically keep my eye out for those types of watches that have been overlooked and underrated or for whatever reason they don't hold there value. Instead of always looking at what's the most popular. 👍
I really like this gentleman. Great taste in watches and very entertaining videos.
Grazie Federico, è sempre un piacere guardare i tuoi video. Ti apprezzo per la tua correttezza e integrità.
Great video. Concise and to the point.
Can not reach your website because of server error :(
Thanks Fed
My pleasure!
Fed, did you sell your Ming 17.01?? I saw that watch as sold on your website!
chin-hwan KIM He did.
Great stuff Fed, interesting choices and all valid.
Awesome and to the point
Love the Zenith.
Great video Federico
Fed, THIS is what you do best and one of the reasons we love you! Your knowledge goes far beyond mainstream brands. Great content as always, thank you!
Great Video
Hi Frederico, a Short and a very good video. I totally agree. Especially with GP or Zenith. Both of them totally underrated and of course beautiful watches. For 50% of value for this watches some companies offer a Revision only.
Thanks so much. Never looked into chopard luc. you had me at Philippe Dufour.
Technical question here: is the cyclops being knocked off of a Rolex crystal a real issue?
I've read about it somewhere, and I'm pretty concerned
Matrix Mirage I’d like to knock it off!
Funny story - about 10 years ago I clipped my Datejust 36 just right on a door jamb, knocked the Cyclops clean off. Had an idea - I have an ESQ “fashion diver” watch I really liked, except the date window was just too small. A little clear optical glue and the Cyclops on it worked like a charm.
Then I liked the look of the DJ so wore it that way about a month. Finally went to the AD and asked if Rolex Service could replace just the crystal, no Cyclops, but they talked me out of it. So a new crystal and Cyclops went on. And I have both to this day. (And a few more ;-) ).
GP remind me a bit of zenith in that they are well respected by us watch geeks and great value propositions.. but we often end up choosing something else anyway!
I love the laureato and the defy skeleton but realistically will still end up buying an Explorer for more money anyway.