Sailing Northern Ireland - Man Overboard - Storm Isha - Force 12 - Bangor - Ep. 324
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I have sat in my chair and watched dozens of different sailing channels and I feel that I must congratulate you both on producing such a plain talking, no frills show. Carry on I cannot wait for more..
Thank you. We just tell it as we see it. We are no good at acting 😀
Another really good video. Cold shock is real and so dangerous. I was Laser racing in the Great Salt Lake, Utah, in early March in 1977 and the water temperature was close to freezing. I capsized in 30-knot winds and was only a few meters from the boat, but by the time I swam to the boat and righted it, I literally could barely move to get myself back on board. Another minute and I would not have been able to. Probably only 3 minutes I was in the water. I’ll never forget that feeling of just being unable to move my limbs. It took me hours to warm up and stop shivering, even sitting in front of a heater and drinking warm fluids. I’m glad I survived, but what a lesson!
Wow! What an experience and I can understand the impression it made on you. I had a similar experience when I was a teenager but mine involvied a kayak in warmer waters. In spite of that I nearly did not make it back. It stays with me as I suspect your experience does too.
As part of my preveous job we had saftey training every 24 months or so. One exercise was to be hoisted from bobbing in the sea and into a helicopter hovering about 30 metres above. Of course a resque guy was hoisted down, Appart from that, we were winched up with a sling around our back, under our arms with a lifting ring at the front. Worked every time. The wind under the rotors were full gail and the water was filled with ice. Usually I had these exercises in January/February. In real weather, stern and aft on most boats are 'killer zones', at least on my boat, very dangerous places to be floating in the water.
We agree. Fore and aft in rough weather are just far too dangerous. Well done on the helicopter exercise - just must have been an experience and a half 👍👍👍👍
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass Just pointing out that a sling is no stress:-)
Great subject. Enjoyed, as ever.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ladies, I had to go back to drill and tap the solar arch fittings after I found loose grub screws like you. All now secured with 5mm bolts. Actually drilling through the fittings with a 4.3mm portable drill wasn't a problem. Firm pressure, going slowly so the drill is always cutting and new cobalt drills, with a drop of oil to keep the drill tip cool worked very well. A set of taps to cut the thread worked well too. Fair winds from April Lass.
We did drill the tubes so that the Grubbs had a "dimple" to sit in and then we tightened then until they creaked and squeaked, but I think we missed two 😄 I like the idea of the taps, we never thought of that.
Hello ladies. Interesting that Gaynor says cold shock makes you go doolally. My father made me learn to swim in an unheated pool in Reigate when i was small, and i think i must have got cold shock as I have been fairly doolally ever since. Glad you are surviving the storms!
I think we all did the "freezing water" thing when young. It could indeed explain a lot 😄
This year of El Niño just keeps on giving. Glad you're safe, strangely I sort of wish I was there, don't understand why. Grub screws. The guy who fabricated my bimini frame said that once I was happy with the fit, I should drill out and replace the grub screws with rivets. Which is what I did.
There must be no excitement in the Caribbean whereas Bangor is clearly where its all happening 😄 Thanks for the comments about the Grub screws. We never thought of using rivets, but for most of the screws we tightened the grubs until they squeaked. Obviously we missed two! 😄😄
The ring on most life jackets are not designed for lifting, only for harness to avoid falling overboard. I have a rope ladder on each side of the boat, but a rescue sling would be even better.
Well, we do not intend using the ring on the lifejacket now that we have the sling, but that is useful information to have. Thanks for sharing it 👍
Really enjoyed your video guys, I teach MOB exercises weekly and 1 thing that is always mentioned is sometimes even the tried and tested methods I teach aren’t always suitable. But it’s best to train people with a pencil case of pencils that they may or may not use.
We are glad you enjoyed it and it is great to have comments from someone like yourself who knows about this. Last week's video might be of interest to you if you have not already seen it, but thanks for watching and commenting 👍
@@SailingYachtSaltyLassenjoy guys, another thing to have a look at would be search patterns, we think we may never need them! But even as an assist vessel to the CG you could be a vital part in helping as well all know we all bare a responsibility to help those in trouble at sea!
That is a great point. We will discuss it and see what we can do
Swimming in Irish waters should be a prerequisite for preventing cold shock🤣🤣. Seriously NEED to practice our MOB drill with fender& bucket first before I volunteer to take a dive ( John screams should not be unleashed in public 🤣🤣😉)
Do it in the summer when it is merely cold instead of paralysing 😮 A use a good wetsuit too! Or better still two of them 😄😄 OTOH, John doing it could boost your ratings.....
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass have to invest in a wetsuit. Last time I wore one was Glenanns windsurfing course at Collanmor island Clew bay 30years ago
Ours are getting a bit long in the tooth. We may need to reinvest!
Pass a loop under the victims arms then hoist with spin halyard.
Modern anchoring, 10 M. Chain then fiber rode - requires heavy scoop type new anchor design. Chain destroys bottom life.
Modern advice is to lift a casualty as horizontal as possible. Also, having tried the halyard under the arms method in deck, I can atest to the pain it causes. It is one of the reasons we made the sling.
A few years back I lost an aft cleat in a storm on my Bavaria 39 when tied up in Ardglass. The boat was fine as the other aft cleat held but it is a weak point on Bavaria’s as they are just held with self tapping screws. Same issue on most boats, unless you pay for a Swan or a
HR.
It would be worthwhile, if access allows, to put bolts instead, imagine having to tow another boat or moored in a harbour with a surge. All the old boats were done this way with backing pads. Jeanneau and Beneteau have bolts fixed from underneath through the cleat 'pillars'. I do like the Bavaria but it seems they need to rethink their build methods.
Bolts were the fix! Bavaria are generally great boats and build is very good (eg selden rig) but one or two smaller issues.
It is a straightforward matter to redrill and use bolts and we have done this on one of ours. I suspect that the fault was the mooring rope we were using had no stretch in it and it was the shock loads that did the damage.
After that storm we changed to octoplait and we have never had a problem ever since and those fairleads have been subjected to some very heavy loads.
Hi Mike - I am sure you remember Storm Miguel when you were moored up next to us in Port Ellen. Are port forward fairlead was damaged that night so we sailed to Dunstaffenge and the chandlers there and fixed it with bolts. It has been perfect ever since.
To be fair to Bavaria the "Self tappers" are the biggest I have ever seen and they have held through some shocking storms and weather.
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass Yes, that surge would test any fitting. Nylon much better as I believe the black rope sold as mooring line is polyester with little stretch. On my mooring in the river I use heavy nylon bow and stern and old climbing rope as springs, doubled up, its amazing how that stretches. It's looked after a Rival 32 for years in a river which gets a bad surge in n west gales.
It's good to hear your further thoughts on MOB drill. I often sail with a very experienced skipper who is now in his 80s and we had a chat about MOB recovery. He has a sling aboard but hasn't practiced use of it. This summer one of us will go into the water somewhere safe, dressed in a drysuit and PFD, and see what works best on this particular boat. He doesn't sail alone now or even with just two. His minimum is three adults including him. Recovering him would be like recovering an unconscious casualty as he has arthritis in both hands and shoulders. He could not either pull himself up or easily manipulate any lifting line passed to him to make hoisting him in an easy job. It's also going to be good to see what works best for the rest of us. I am currently looking at what commercially available lifting nets I can find. Bearing in mind what you said about having one which sinks beneath the casualty, and has a way of staying 'open' with some stiffeners is useful too.
I like the look of those suits. A friend wears one whilst sea fishing from the steep shingle beach near home. His one also has flotation chambers which will inflate on immersion, but you don't need that function in the suit as you will be wearing your lifejackets.
All of this is good for winter time preparation, a time to think of warm weather ahead and plan for some sailing. I am in mid course on Day Skipper Theory and hoping to get out more in 2024 than I have in the past couple of years.
Stay safe. Best wishes from drizzly Aberdeenshire.
Thanks for the fantastic and detailed reply 👍 I can add to the arthritis discussion because my mum has it and cold multiplies it ten times over. Your friend would likely be in terrible pain.
There are at least two brands of the suits - Mullions (that we have) and Fladden. If I had to buy them again I would seriously look at the Fladden ones as they appear to have reinforced knee pads and that is where we have worn the material on the Mullions.
Good luck with the Day Skipper stuff. We found it enormously helpful and it gave us a lot of confidence in passage planning and boat handling. The other course that really helped us was the VHF course and we hope to get a video out about that soon.
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass yes, his one is Fladden. He got it from somewhere in Aberdeen which supplies kit to the people who work offshore, especially the smaller standby and rescue craft. Knee pads would be good because we are often on our knees doing stuff on a yacht.
My main objective in doing the Day Skipper theory is to update my knowledge. It's a bit rusty and there's time now to do it as I am no longer working.
If you get a chance to film something about how use your chart plotter that's a subject of interest for me. What kit do you use and what do you set up for each kind of trip ?
@@jimmyjohnstone5878 - Mullions are really for fisherman on trawlers but they work on a yacht and cost about a 1/6th of the yachtie gear. But fisherman rarely work on their knees.....
I will have a look through the archives for our prep for passages and using the chartplotter. We have covered this before but I think I will make a playlist of the relevant videos because you are not the first person to ask
14 kleats, that'a a lot.
I do hope the storms stop, Isha cost me my garden fence.
It got Bev's mum's fence too!
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass Somehow I think named storms have a grudge against fences.
You might be on to something 😄
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass I hope so, I make some of my money on installing fences.
With this weather it could be a growth industry
When are you going to do a WOB drill?
WOB? That is _so_ yesterday. We have moved on and now do Person Overboard (POB) exercises 😄😄😄
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass oh dear. Have I over presumed?
Actually, usually I'm so last century.
All our candidates tell me the drill's not necessary as W's aren't stupid enough to need it an the M's aren't worth the bother.
_"Have I over presumed?"_ No of course not. We just have a warped sense of humour 😆
I think the biggest difference between men and women overboard statistics is the number of male MOBs with their flies undone. Very few ladies are tempted to go over the side for that particular reason....
Please can you tell me the models of the Mullions as there seem to be several models with widely differing prices?
The ones we bought were NorthSea 1MHC model from NorwestMarine in Bootle
norwestmarine.co.uk/product/new-mullion-north-sea-flotation-suit-1mhc/
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass Thank you for that. We are looking at whether these might be nice for cold night watches, and there are all kinds of them available.
We use ours for night watches. Two points:
1 - vigorous movement can make you sweat buckets. They really do keep the heat in.
2 - When you first get them, they are stiff in the middle because of the padding. They loosen up over time.
We did not buy the two piece versions because the overlap in the middle causes a double layer of insulation that means you almost cannot bend at all. Plus we figured that the onesie version would be more draft-proof.
Dress lightly when wearing them unless it is *really* cold
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass Thank you again, yet more good advice. By strange coincidence we had also ordered two MOB Lifesavers the day before your video. Bev's advice about timings going through Rathlin Sound (on our way from Bangor to Peel on 12 Oct 23) was also helpful and she was right about the fisherman laying mines (pots!) right across the exit.
@@kevinhorne723 - that fisherman's a menace!!! We're glad the timings helped and thanks for letting us know 👍
When I struggle into my foulies, boots and gloves..... I need a pee immediately.
Yes indeed. We often face similar problems 😄
10 storms so far this year
Two this week. We had only set the boat to rights after Isha when Jocelyn ruined another night's sleep aboard 😮
@@SailingYachtSaltyLass yeah flying coffee isn't ideal for sleep deprivation either
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£30+ for lifejacket recharge kit these days so dinghy vest makes a lot of sense for trips in Salty Sausage ... gonna get one myself 🙂
My Yachtmaster examiner made a big thing about MOB recovery as incident reports at time highlighted lack of training (inc RYA) covering this. Training concentrates on getting boat back to casualty, not on actually getting casualty back on the boat. Your videos are really thought provoking ... thank you!
Also, the inflatables make it a pain to do anything other than lie on your back. The vests are about £30 but at least it is a one-off cost. Glad the vids are making the brain cells exercise...😉