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Mick Fleetwood on the Lesser-Known History Behind 'Black Magic Woman' | At Home and Social
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2023
- Mick Fleetwood talks about the lesser-known history behind the song "Black Magic Woman," how it became a smash hit for Carlos Santana, the interesting connection between Santana's "Supernatural" album and seminal Fleetwood Mac member Peter Green, and more on At Home and Social!
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Peter Green was one of the best guitarists ever. magic hands.
Direct connection from a higher power
Peter Green is, and will always be, the best guitarist of his generation. He made fleetwood mac with the idea of leaving one day and his friend Mick would have a band. Mick never forget that and takes every opportunity to sing his praises just as he should 👍
Only if Jeff Beck isn't in his generation. cheers.
Notice the “Then Play On” painting behind Mick
I went to a Fleetwood Mac concert after Peter Green had left and Bob Welch was the lead guitarist. The venue was a converted old movie theater on Ocean Blvd. in Long Beach, California and tickets were $1.25. Before the band played Black Magic Woman, Welch acidly pointed out that Santana had taken their song and made it a HIT. As he said HIT Fleetwood played a short, loud drum sting. It was really funny and the audience applauded wildly.
That's so Mick. 😄
This is for Mick Fleetwood, you guys were doing a concert at the Richfield coliseum in Cleveland Ohio. I ran into u after the concert in downtown flats. It was an eye opening experience you told me my money was no good. My name is Dale , I was tending bar that night you stopped in to have a drink. That's a memory I will never forget.
Impressive knowledge of early Fleetwood Mac shown by Katie. Now I’ll have to watch the whole thing. I just wish I could crawl into Mick’s brain and experience the memories he has of being in the studio with Peter. Peter of course was at the top of his game for only a few years, but every song he was writing in the late sixties was so original. The Supernatural, Albatross, Oh Well, The Green Manalishi…i could go on. Where the heck were they coming from? I suppose that’s the mark of a great song.
Oh, and I guess that’s the original painting that they used for the cover of Then Play On on the wall behind Mick. Love it.
Man, to have been around those guys during the British revolution would have been magical, all the wonderful artists that came and went back when all they had was their instruments a few cheap amps and a whole lot of heart, life was much simpler and honest and folks actually supported each other, what a glorious time to be alive indeed..
I knew that Peter had written Black Magic Woman as Im a life long fan of Peter Green, Carlos Santana and Fleetwood Mac but had not picked up on the Supernatural connection before. Cool interview.
Not sure if Greenie had heard of Gabor Szabo and his 1966 original 'Gypsy Queen' but Santana definitely based his version of BMW on that, and it perfectly fits - hence the hit success. The original Szabo tune came from an album called 'Spellbinder' - talk of 'Supernatural'? 😉
Bmw is very different from gypsy queen. Santana spliced gq on to bmw. Santana bmw would have been a hit without gq. Santana imo did improve on gq. Bmw original had a shuffle section which imo hurt it.
@@brucesmith3740 Of course it's different, Santana more than 'spliced' it (which implies a mechanical stitch-together). He used conceptual parts of GQ as intro, but also infused much of that spirit into the entire arrangement (not least - the rhythm/percussion, which he already had made a trademark in his other work)...
The shuffle part in the original can only irritate people who heard the Santana version first (or who weren't into blues in the 60s) 😜
And then there is Santana's note-for-note rip off of the original Oye Como Va
Black Magic Woman for me will ALWAYS be a Fleetwood Mac song. It’s an almost perfect song. A blues masterpiece with a mysterious almost latin feel. The solo is impeccable. And that beat! The feel is sublime. YES! Listen to The Supernatural and tell me Santana wasn’t influenced by Peter Green. Peter played with an understated beauty, an eloquence that was simply captivating. Santana’s playing on the other hand is heavy and forced.
Dead on! Absolutely! Peter did that long sustain with tons of reverb and harmonics on The Supernatural before Santana made it his signature. Santana was also influenced by Gábor Szabó who also experimented with feedback. All great musicians with their own styles.
I don't believe in "The Best" unless its in the room for context. But an absolute best is making mockery of many great musicians.
Peter was great though and one can see that his music is still magical to this day. As is Santana and many other great players.
Peter G - every solo album he did was GENIUS. He extended psychidelic music so subtly into the future without anyone realizing it. I'm surprised he wasn't praised in the states like at all. By music aficionados, sure, but not by regular people. He wasn't blues, or classifiable as a genre - he was an artist, and a few of his albums are like listening to moonlight through waves at a beach electrified. The same with John Mayall. The Brits didn't ever truly capture the blues, nobody white could in the traditional way - but they made something totally unique from it, and not very British either, as Fleetwood Mac would do a great job too as well, not very British but like from another place - another world beyond - like how the blues is very otherworldly......
Is that the original painting for the album "Then Play On" cover?! Love to have that!
Pity the inspiration behind the song was not mentioned. It was named after Sandra Elsdon, Peter’s girlfriend, whom he referred
to as Magic Mama. This was not the only song he wrote for her, the other being I Loved Another Woman. Sandra I think
later became Sandra Elsdon-Vigon. Round about 2014 there was an interview with Sandra, I wonder what ever became of her.
Good point Robert, few ask about this.
He write Sandy Mary for her too? Another great song.
@@Jahnink Indeed, forgot about that one, it had some unusual lyrics I recall like ‘She got
those bony bare looks enough to drive a vegetarian insane’. She must have been some lady. Well remembered, you memory must be a lot better than mine.
@@robertmcdougall3166 Man, that was great! I always wondered about that verse. Thanks. I love that song. Peter had a funny sly way with his lyrics. And the groove is right there. She had to be flattered, kinda'.
@@Jahnink After reading your comment I went back and listened to the track, after the first verse all the others tend to have just three words. It is a wee gem.
Peter was as good as if not better than all the more famous guitarist from that period. It should also be said that Micks drumming was superior as well.
Micks restaurant in Maui is outstanding
I like Fleetwood Mac's version more because it has that trippy chord in it. Santana just strums a chord. I think Peter played Harmonics or played with the volume knob.
I heard it after I heard the Santana version first and then discovered the Mac version afterwards , which is good but obviously the Santana version was the big hit.
Carlos owes EVERYTHING to the Green God.
“The Supernatural”….Is one of, if not the Greatest Songs ever….
I was listening to Peter Greens' Fleetwood Mac from the beginning! Another one, Oh Well, also dug into my soul. When the band reformed in the 70's I was not impressed in the least with the new music they were doing. To me it was an insult to the original line up. They were really good at what they did but I believe they should have changed the name to reflect the sound they created.
Reformed?
To which period /incarnation are you referring?
With Greeny's departure, FM carried on seamlessly under Danny Kirwan's leadership with the release of Kiln House. Christine (Perfect) McVie assumed her role as a full time member of the band during these sessions
Future games and Bare Trees followed with the addition of Bob Welch.
Danny was fired prior to 'Heroes..' and Bob Weston came on board as second guitarist to replace him for Penguin and Mystery To Me.
All of these personnel shakeups were marked by an accompanying evolution away from the band's blues signatures. But you can still hear sly traces of the shuffle lifted from Lazy Poker Blues and inserted into Mick's work behind the kit on 'Don't Stop...' almost ten years after the original's release.
It would be stretching things to suggest that the arrival of Buckingham/Nicks in 1975 represented much of a 'reforming' at all - since the last vestiges of the old Freddie King styled fire of the original band was already morphing into something else by the time 'Then Play On' was released in 1969-70.
I never cared for the 'Rumours' era myself - having been a devoted Greeny fanatic first and foremost from the start. That said, I belatedly have come to truly love the contribution that Danny made to the band's sound when he assumed the helm from Peter. Today, 'Station Man' 'Jewel Eyed Judy 'and 'Dust' stand solidly alongside the best work of Peter's tenure in my opinion - with entirely their own set of memorable hooks and soloing.
@@chriscoughlin9289 I'm referring to the album Rumors and everything since then. For me they completely changed their style. I give them absolute credit for the professional and talent they brought to the table but I didnt care for the direction they took. Even though 3 of the members were in the band I didn't care for the sound that they created thereafter.
@@chriscoughlin9289…. Thank you for setting the guy straight.
Kiln House, after Peter left was a good record. Bare Trees was also a good record. I personally kind of liked a lot of the stuff ( not really Bob Welsh, sorry) and accepted Stevie and Lyndsey.
But the band with Peter and Danny was the best by far. The 3 live at The Boston Tea Party albums were incredible.
Peter was great with Mayall and then the band he formed.
There was a god awful double CD of Peter songs called “Rattlesnake Shake” ( except for Rory Gallagher’s 2 songs)
The best tribute by far is “Blues For Greeny” by Gary Moore playing Peter’s old guitar which was basically almost given to him by Peter. If you haven’t heard it do yourself a favor and check it out. ( and Gary ignored the “hits” which made it even better.
RIP Peter, Gary and Rory
I always preferred Fleetwood Mac's version.
I knew who wrote it because I bought the English Rose album.
I have to admit that I find the interviewers gee whiz approach to the subject pretty darned grating and more than a little over the top.
This is not some forgotten, arcane slice of Rock and Roll history.
Carlos himself was pointedly given the role of presenting Greeny and the other FM members with their induction into the Hall of Fame - and followed that by urging Peter onstage for a rendition of BMW.
To be honest, it actually came off like a manufactured pretext for the interview - akin to excitedly gushing to a septuagenarian Peter Gabriel that she just discovered Supper's Ready, Cinema Show and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway after a lifetime of listening to 'Sledgehammer' and 'In Your Eyes.'
Possible, I suppose - but it doesn't do much credit to her alleged career as an YT audiophile/pop historian with a reputation to uphold as a person who's serious about their craft.
To say nothing of giving the artist just cause to entirely doubt the interviewer's sincerity in their supposed appreciation for HIS nearly 60 year career.
@@chriscoughlin9289 Yeah, most people are pretty superficial these days, and the chick simply reflects the lack of depth we see everywhere. Idiocracy is right around the corner, lol.
I agree - it's not in any sense a lesser-known backstory. I thought the secret was going to be something about how it was written or who it was about. And yes, cringey interviewer.
Premieres in 6 days?? 🤦🏻♂️ Come on axs, it better be at least a 30 min video
Peter green and Danny kirwan composed "black magic woman"
Not true. Danny Kirwan joined the band later. His masterpiece was "Something Inside of Me", although he also played on the hits "Albatross", "Man of the World" and "Oh Well, Part 1", as well as on the album "Then Play On" with Peter Green.
@@tetrahedron1000 well in my opinion, kirwans greats were "sands of time, and about half the stuff off future games and the bare trees albums...... not forgetting"Dust "
The true essence of black magic woman is to listen to the dual guitars intertwine the moods and blues of G&K. Not a solo effort by San who thought he was the man.
I prefer the Peter Green/Fleetwood Mac Version….
Tough transition for the glam/hair metal crowd. They stop at Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, and Led Zeppelin for the most part.
Read the song credits, girl. Always do that. Then listen to the original. Nothing better than Peter's version. Santana gussies it up way too much. Too loud. No spaces. Listen to Peter Green. You will feel better.
Hi Katie I like Pink Floyd .you know Roger Waters is doing Dark Side of the Moon over I wonder If he will refresh the cover with something more futuristic and is it the same reason Taylor Swift Redone some of her music. And Mick I just wanted to say what an amazing two sided DVD I bought of the concert the dance Played the 5.1 surround side and what an amazing concert and sound you can tell they really cared about the acoustics in the venue and Micks delicate touch at the end of the songs. you can tell they really wanted to put out a quality DVD. thank You.
Mick fleetwood talks like a small fish, minus the s ,what is he like, bless. RS London boy.
There's only 1 Peter Green! sorry Carlos.
Great guy, way overrated drummer.
What a silly thing to say - he's an AMAZING and unique drummer, very much responsible for millions of recording sales and butts in seats for live performances. In his own way, he's as singular as Ringo...
His playing suited the song, what more can you ask from a drummer.
Not so great a guy, after Bob Welch literally kept FM going in the early 70's, Green stopped paying royalties to him and disallowed him to be placed into the RRHOF with the band. He's been very lucky to be surrounded by better talent than himself. His drum solos are laughable.
Original story I heard was that Santana's wife was black and he wrote it for her.
bullshit
Never liked the song, no matter who performed it.
Mick seems like one of those guys you’d love to hang with for a few hours in a living room.
I'd much rather have hung out with Danny Kirwan or Peter Green. Sadly they are no longer with us and it is a shame that Danny tends to be forgotten about.