it's amazing flash is back and playing again but i think it's just as nice that we have you still active and sharing all of this with everyone, thanks for doing these man, they're a highlight of my mornings
Arty. Thank you. You are so good at explaining the terrain side of the matchup. I watched flash games on another channel and their play by play was fine but they do not have the depth of knowledge or ability to explain it like you do. You should always cast terran games. You know so much about this matchup. Cheers
It seems like he wants to figure out for himself to find a better way to play in the current meta instead of just copying the meta Terran builds. And that is something to be respected.
@@TheSuperappelflap it looks to me that he really likes to have the upgrade adventage. and he is trying to push the limits of that build to make it work.
I didn't really understand how early academy can be greedy, though. Normally, a "greedy" play tries to get a lot of resources (extra workers or bases) or sometimes high tech early at the expense of army size or base defense. To me, a greedy play can be punished with some sort of early attack or harass, while an overly cautious play can only be punished by expanding. But early academy is sort of the opposite: getting early base defense at the expense of early resources. You can punish a _late_ academy with DTs, but you can't really punish an early academy, except by getting incrementally more resources.
Thanks for your casts, my understanding of the game improved a lot over the last months. SC1 was the first game that I bought (was eight years old) and though I haven't played it myself for a long time, I now enjoy watching casts now more than ever. PS: again, the eight carrier win condition hits.
Let's gooooooo, nah but seriously these games are awesome. I love how you can really see Flash's thought process throughout the games, almost every action he takes has a rationale behind it. Really informative games.
as opposed to all the other top level pros who spin a wheel of fortune to decide their every move, with zero rationale whatsoever. only flash is capable of planning things. what a god.
i really like the way flash is playing that second game, i think he is going to figure it out sooner rather than later i personally think that something terran players should start doing is to move a group of vultures ahead of the army and start picking off zealots
Great point about the unique opportunity of watching Flash re-adjust to the game. Will be excited once things balance out again and we watch other players (I loved the Flash interregnum for that reason!), but still such a treat to deep dive on one player. Hope you feel better soon!
I’ve noticed a principle in broodwar that the weaker race cannot allow the stronger race snowball out of control in macro otherwise they just lose. Zerg wins in ZvP if Protoss leaves Zerg unchecked. Zerg greed goes further than Protoss greed. Same here with Protoss vs Terran. Protoss greed will always go further than Terran greed and Protoss can trade even with Terran and as long as they trade army for siege tanks or high quality units Protoss will rebuild army easier and faster. Same with Zerg if Protoss loses their high quality units and trades even with Zerg, Zerg is ahead.
You're backwards. Protoss win in all matches if literally any race lets them go unchecked. Also your statement is kind of a tautology because this is true in literally any situation. And not just on Starcraft. Imagine playing Undead and just letting your Human or Night Elf opponents play completely unmolested.
@@ollaitsrealgood Well, Undead if left unchecked and free to expand is the strongest race in wc3. Human and Night Elf need a second base to really get going. Orc can only snowball if their heroes get high level. But Undead has good units, although expensive, and amazing heroes. With a strong economy they snowball the hardest. The only thing they dont have is strong midgame units, past where crypt fiends are effective, and super late game air. Frost Wyrms just cost too much supply vs stuff like the Human hawks that can disable enemies and web from the Orc.
Artosis, I sincerely hope you are going to keep these flash games continually running. I'm way too invested and way too far into the rabbit hole to stop any time soon. Kind regards from an old xds fan
Actually, this has already happened. Lu Xiaojun, one of the best weightlifters of all time basically started from scratch after not training at all for the longest time and video'd the whole thing. He got caught by a doping test before the championships tho
The big question in my mind, is why not to go simultaneously to ghosts with locks and Goliaths? You already cut his mining base, just kill what’s coming in carriers, and you still can win. But it seems he had no interest in fighting and ggs…. (Sound of scratching my head)
You know, those supply depots just remind me of like, the early days with BoxeR like, blocking off ramps that wern't his or locking units into his base and stuff. That's the kinda meme shit that got me in in the first place.
Hey Artosis, Thank you for keeping me entertained and giving me a moment of relaxation as I'm currently trying to build a political party on "the Map" called Sweden. We are a terrain race, with the spirit of Apes and hope to build a horde and go on the offensive like the Zerg. Thanks again, I hope our Party (The Global Party) might be of some service in the future to you and your subscribes. Just know you are to great help at least for me, if not other members of the party to. Kind regards, Your friend ("Kamrat" in swedish) Karl Mitra Samarasinghe The Global Party
bisu de3finitely plays less greedy than some of the other protoss but it just felt like he had control of the whole game, even when attacking poorly trading 50 supplies for 10
Flash keeping making those adjustments. 1st game it looks like it just needed a better fortress, either with more vultures or mines or some buildings (supply depots for ex).
Artosis… Why wasn’t Flash targeting carriers directly, instead of fighting interceptors? Also… Would it have been a tough transition to add ghosts + lockdown? Lock half of fleet, get EMP off, and direct target carriers with goliaths? Forgive my ignorance, I’m just a spectator and haven’t played BW in 15 years. Please keep up the Flash casts! Thank you.
Please keep the flash train comming! Lovely videos as always Artosis and wish you the best with your sore throat! :) Could you maybe up the video resolution though if not too much trouble? HD looks a little blurry. :S (youtube has low bitrate even with premium, 2K res maybe? 🤞)
Ah my daily window into the Broodwar people by the anthropologist himself. What will Flash have learned? How will Bisu react? How does it differ to what these people thought the optimal strategy was one year ago? How will it be in a year?
I think Flash doesnt use mines at main base, because perfect protoss with a shuttle takes 0 damage from mines. To reword it mines are gamechanging against lesser players, but unreliable vs Snow or other top ones.
Should have gone lockdown. He already had the science facility and 1 barracks, so half the infrastructure was already there. Carriers abuse hit and run tactics so lockdown is basically an insta-kill against them as long as you have enough gols to stand and fight. Imagine sending a single ghost with defense matrix and full energy against the golden armada and seeing them run away as hard as bio runs from a defiler with plague XD.
Yeah I also agree that ghosts with lockdown are a good solution vs Carriers. Especially considering that Flash had a decent ground army and Science Vessels out for the defense matrix. It is just one of those things that Terran players have not been able to make work. I feel that eventually they will make a breakthrough like what happened with Zerg Queens vs Mech
So I’ve been critical of Flash since he’s come back…. but I kinda think he’s playing possum. He’s playing bad on purpose, just to test shit out. However…. I used to be much better than I am now and as I get older I suck more. So is this really Flash sucking or is this Flash doing mind games? I find it hard to believe that Flash “devolved” to not being able to target with his tanks. He’s intentionally dying in my opinion…, Or he’s using strats he knows are bad but he’s just working it out.
Hey artosis, I noticed that you do analysis of games at the start of the next game. Is it possible you do the analysis at the end of a game, thus the start of the next you can explain openers/reactions?
I can't help but wonder if this could be a rare case where one of the more extreme ways to combat carriers could be viable. Such as lockdown and nukes or cloaked wraiths and killing obs. It seems Flash was in a winning position when he scanned the carriers at 32:25, with the carriers being the only way for Bisu to comeback. Yet as it plays out, goliaths only seems an inevitable loss in this situation.
The problem is that carriers are a tier 3 massive investment for protoss and terran players lose to it because they dont get their own high tech out fast enough. Battlecruisers with yamato destroy carriers and they are equal tech compared to protoss carriers with the interceptor upgrade.
@@pandabearguy1 Well let's check. Covert ops and lock down take 25 and 63, ghost 31.5, they start with 50 energy need 100 for lockdown. Maybe around 30 minutes when Flash was winning he could have made a prophylactic covert ops for just 50/50 resources. a round of carriers takes 88 and 104 to make all 8 interceptors. Nuke silo and nuke only take 50 and 63.
@@SpiderWaffle Lots of if's. I'm not saying its impossible, but I'm not a pro either. I'm just a game theory expert, from MIT. Ghosts die way to easily as well. Cloaked wraiths seem to be a good choice if you see the carrier switch before any carriers are out.
@@pandabearguy1 ya I don't know what' viable or best necessarily. I do think some sort of precautionary step should be made by T when they're up significantly enough late in a game and realistically only one thing could beat them. More ports is a big investment compared to covert ops + maybe a couple defensive barracks, which T already like to made more than one of for walls sometimes. But ya, the wraiths have been shown to be more practical than lockdown. Mixing in some Goliaths is also an option, or Valks. Maybe in a large numbers of interceptors and goliaths, valks do well to help kill more interceptors. A control tower, and some goliaths isn't that much cost.
Lol Protoss was fucked but they have the “nooo I don’t wanna lose :((( “ carrier button they can press so they can still feel like they won ❤ great job flash
Игры
20 day flash streak
You're so right, it's far too little.
Love it
are you a terran player?
Keep it coming my man
Just a flash in the pan
it's amazing flash is back and playing again but i think it's just as nice that we have you still active and sharing all of this with everyone, thanks for doing these man, they're a highlight of my mornings
for real. the brood war English scene is lucky to have someone as knowledgeable and passionate about the game as artosis is.
I love the fact that someone, unsuspecting, will hit artosis stream after getting hooked with all these flash games.
And then, their life will never be the same!
rip to that person's ears
CIMA
You sound gay af
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Love it when artosis flashes us
Artosis I start my morning with your Cast. These Flash games have been awesome, keep-up the good work!
I don't know about you guys, but I am getting chills right now 😂😂😂
NERD CHILLS TASTELESS
Arty. Thank you. You are so good at explaining the terrain side of the matchup. I watched flash games on another channel and their play by play was fine but they do not have the depth of knowledge or ability to explain it like you do.
You should always cast terran games. You know so much about this matchup. Cheers
Good discussion on the cutting edge of greed. Obviously Flash knows what the current meta is, he's banking on surviving the first big push.
It seems like he wants to figure out for himself to find a better way to play in the current meta instead of just copying the meta Terran builds. And that is something to be respected.
@@TheSuperappelflap it looks to me that he really likes to have the upgrade adventage. and he is trying to push the limits of that build to make it work.
I didn't really understand how early academy can be greedy, though. Normally, a "greedy" play tries to get a lot of resources (extra workers or bases) or sometimes high tech early at the expense of army size or base defense. To me, a greedy play can be punished with some sort of early attack or harass, while an overly cautious play can only be punished by expanding. But early academy is sort of the opposite: getting early base defense at the expense of early resources. You can punish a _late_ academy with DTs, but you can't really punish an early academy, except by getting incrementally more resources.
@@EebstertheGreat
I think an academy is greedier than ebay + turrets? Did he mean that?
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Thanks for your casts, my understanding of the game improved a lot over the last months. SC1 was the first game that I bought (was eight years old) and though I haven't played it myself for a long time, I now enjoy watching casts now more than ever.
PS: again, the eight carrier win condition hits.
You had me at "Bisu" and if you cast 7 Bisu vs Flash I will literally lose my shit! ❤
You cast beautifully, like sun tzu
Yoooooo 7 more games aren’t enough! Keep um coming!😊
I miss the Flash-Bisu stream, where Flash just sit behind Bisu and making joke unintentionally
"Now I learned: Hydra - good unit".
I really like Artosis showing us the only two races in Starcraft.
I've been devouring all of these pro ladder casts. Thanks for putting in all the work to bring us these great games! Looking forward to the next ones!
Welcome back to Flashosis
Keep em coming. I'm having more fun watching the progression of flash than watching any sc2 content.
ArtosisCastsFlash, best channel ever!
Artosis, your consistency and diligence give me chills. Appreciate it!!
Let's gooooooo, nah but seriously these games are awesome. I love how you can really see Flash's thought process throughout the games, almost every action he takes has a rationale behind it. Really informative games.
as opposed to all the other top level pros who spin a wheel of fortune to decide their every move, with zero rationale whatsoever. only flash is capable of planning things. what a god.
7 games, Basil! *Squeegees glasses
Too many chills a day bring a raspy voice the next day!
I'm a Protoss player and I dont know how I'll live without daily Artosis Flash. THANKS SO MUCH for this content Arty.
I remember Flash VS Movie in the OSL Finale where Flash buildes wall after wall of supply depos.
OMG, bring me a blanket!!! I am getting CHILLS right now!!
Thanks for casting, Arty
As always, thank you, Artosis! I hope your voice gets better soon!
i really like the way flash is playing that second game, i think he is going to figure it out sooner rather than later
i personally think that something terran players should start doing is to move a group of vultures ahead of the army and start picking off zealots
Great point about the unique opportunity of watching Flash re-adjust to the game. Will be excited once things balance out again and we watch other players (I loved the Flash interregnum for that reason!), but still such a treat to deep dive on one player.
Hope you feel better soon!
It's interesting to me seeing how much of a proponent he is for Goliaths
I’ve noticed a principle in broodwar that the weaker race cannot allow the stronger race snowball out of control in macro otherwise they just lose. Zerg wins in ZvP if Protoss leaves Zerg unchecked. Zerg greed goes further than Protoss greed. Same here with Protoss vs Terran. Protoss greed will always go further than Terran greed and Protoss can trade even with Terran and as long as they trade army for siege tanks or high quality units Protoss will rebuild army easier and faster. Same with Zerg if Protoss loses their high quality units and trades even with Zerg, Zerg is ahead.
You're backwards. Protoss win in all matches if literally any race lets them go unchecked. Also your statement is kind of a tautology because this is true in literally any situation. And not just on Starcraft. Imagine playing Undead and just letting your Human or Night Elf opponents play completely unmolested.
@@ollaitsrealgood Well, Undead if left unchecked and free to expand is the strongest race in wc3. Human and Night Elf need a second base to really get going. Orc can only snowball if their heroes get high level. But Undead has good units, although expensive, and amazing heroes. With a strong economy they snowball the hardest. The only thing they dont have is strong midgame units, past where crypt fiends are effective, and super late game air. Frost Wyrms just cost too much supply vs stuff like the Human hawks that can disable enemies and web from the Orc.
Arotosis showing us that you might be God, you still can't beat gateway man, invisible man, a-move big ship. LOL
Artosis, I sincerely hope you are going to keep these flash games continually running. I'm way too invested and way too far into the rabbit hole to stop any time soon. Kind regards from an old xds fan
I like when you run game series. It's interesting to see the development between two players
"Welcome back to Flashback Casts, where we cast Flash back to back."
Keep em coming boyo!
Another day, another Flash game(s). And I'm all for it!
Actually, this has already happened. Lu Xiaojun, one of the best weightlifters of all time basically started from scratch after not training at all for the longest time and video'd the whole thing. He got caught by a doping test before the championships tho
The big question in my mind, is why not to go simultaneously to ghosts with locks and Goliaths? You already cut his mining base, just kill what’s coming in carriers, and you still can win. But it seems he had no interest in fighting and ggs…. (Sound of scratching my head)
You know, those supply depots just remind me of like, the early days with BoxeR like, blocking off ramps that wern't his or locking units into his base and stuff. That's the kinda meme shit that got me in in the first place.
Flash just practicing different strategies and prepare for ASL to own everyone.
Babe wake up, @ArtosisCasts is posting a Flash vs Bisu series!
Welcome back to flashcasts
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A new 7 game series and it's Flash v Bisu? This is good news.
Yes!!!!! I love series!
idk if that map explanation was for me, but thank you
ladder game looking like a grand finals wow
wow what a high quality game 2!
I wonder if Arty with a meta build could win against Flash trying to find himself
MORE FLASH LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. DONT EVER STOP
Artosis your not allowed to get sick. Sorry, so your gonna have to let that cold know, that your off limits.
Hey Artosis, Thank you for keeping me entertained and giving me a moment of relaxation as I'm currently trying to build a political party on "the Map" called Sweden. We are a terrain race, with the spirit of Apes and hope to build a horde and go on the offensive like the Zerg.
Thanks again, I hope our Party (The Global Party) might be of some service in the future to you and your subscribes. Just know you are to great help at least for me, if not other members of the party to.
Kind regards,
Your friend ("Kamrat" in swedish)
Karl Mitra Samarasinghe
The Global Party
bisu de3finitely plays less greedy than some of the other protoss but it just felt like he had control of the whole game, even when attacking poorly trading 50 supplies for 10
Get well soon bro
Yes! Let’s go!
God damn this channel has been a goldmine recently
carriers are absolutely nuts.
Another Flash game - who'd have thought?! 😅
Flash keeping making those adjustments. 1st game it looks like it just needed a better fortress, either with more vultures or mines or some buildings (supply depots for ex).
Mid spoiler but the late game strategy employed by the winner in the second game never seems to fail from what I’ve seen, even when behind
The Девалт games are textbook material, seriously.
Artosis… Why wasn’t Flash targeting carriers directly, instead of fighting interceptors? Also… Would it have been a tough transition to add ghosts + lockdown? Lock half of fleet, get EMP off, and direct target carriers with goliaths?
Forgive my ignorance, I’m just a spectator and haven’t played BW in 15 years. Please keep up the Flash casts! Thank you.
Flash ftw ty arty, crank out the commentary baby ❤❤
damn GGz
Let's Flashing gooooooo
Second game that's ridiculous man, how does Bisu win
Carrier for the win!
Please keep the flash train comming! Lovely videos as always Artosis and wish you the best with your sore throat! :) Could you maybe up the video resolution though if not too much trouble? HD looks a little blurry. :S (youtube has low bitrate even with premium, 2K res maybe? 🤞)
Flash casts Saturday!
Game 2 was awesome
37:25 What would that matter? They're a hovering unit; mines shouldn't be triggered.
no they are not hovering
Since when?
Ah my daily window into the Broodwar people by the anthropologist himself. What will Flash have learned? How will Bisu react? How does it differ to what these people thought the optimal strategy was one year ago? How will it be in a year?
I think Flash doesnt use mines at main base, because perfect protoss with a shuttle takes 0 damage from mines.
To reword it mines are gamechanging against lesser players, but unreliable vs Snow or other top ones.
4 HT for 2 vultures is a meme worthy trade. Pretty exciting second game, until the winner got the imba unit out.
hey Arty. I think you need to make a live stream casting one of these days.
24 hours, marathon, only Flash, all day, non stop, just Flash, pure BW
Should have gone lockdown. He already had the science facility and 1 barracks, so half the infrastructure was already there. Carriers abuse hit and run tactics so lockdown is basically an insta-kill against them as long as you have enough gols to stand and fight. Imagine sending a single ghost with defense matrix and full energy against the golden armada and seeing them run away as hard as bio runs from a defiler with plague XD.
Yeah I also agree that ghosts with lockdown are a good solution vs Carriers. Especially considering that Flash had a decent ground army and Science Vessels out for the defense matrix.
It is just one of those things that Terran players have not been able to make work. I feel that eventually they will make a breakthrough like what happened with Zerg Queens vs Mech
lockdown has only 8 range which makes it really awkward vs carriers
Flash is having a lot of trouble with the modern protoss. Motive destroyed him.
Please more flash!
So I’ve been critical of Flash since he’s come back…. but I kinda think he’s playing possum. He’s playing bad on purpose, just to test shit out.
However…. I used to be much better than I am now and as I get older I suck more. So is this really Flash sucking or is this Flash doing mind games?
I find it hard to believe that Flash “devolved” to not being able to target with his tanks. He’s intentionally dying in my opinion…, Or he’s using strats he knows are bad but he’s just working it out.
Use a cough button mate. Radio stations invented them decades ago.
2:12 You can tell your immune system to git gud.
3 minutes in.... Clicks on cyber core, doesn't see it spinning, still doesn't realize bisu cancelled range for a faster nexus
Hey artosis, I noticed that you do analysis of games at the start of the next game. Is it possible you do the analysis at the end of a game, thus the start of the next you can explain openers/reactions?
Making carriers is a good skill toi have
You’ve mentioned upgrade Terran and macro Terran a few times in your casts and I was wondering if there are other styles/builds.
I can't help but wonder if this could be a rare case where one of the more extreme ways to combat carriers could be viable. Such as lockdown and nukes or cloaked wraiths and killing obs. It seems Flash was in a winning position when he scanned the carriers at 32:25, with the carriers being the only way for Bisu to comeback. Yet as it plays out, goliaths only seems an inevitable loss in this situation.
The problem is that carriers are a tier 3 massive investment for protoss and terran players lose to it because they dont get their own high tech out fast enough. Battlecruisers with yamato destroy carriers and they are equal tech compared to protoss carriers with the interceptor upgrade.
You think theres time to to get ghosts with upgrades and nukes agsinst 4 stargate carrier with 4 carriers already out and 8 out a minute later
@@pandabearguy1 Well let's check. Covert ops and lock down take 25 and 63, ghost 31.5, they start with 50 energy need 100 for lockdown. Maybe around 30 minutes when Flash was winning he could have made a prophylactic covert ops for just 50/50 resources. a round of carriers takes 88 and 104 to make all 8 interceptors. Nuke silo and nuke only take 50 and 63.
@@SpiderWaffle Lots of if's. I'm not saying its impossible, but I'm not a pro either. I'm just a game theory expert, from MIT. Ghosts die way to easily as well. Cloaked wraiths seem to be a good choice if you see the carrier switch before any carriers are out.
@@pandabearguy1 ya I don't know what' viable or best necessarily. I do think some sort of precautionary step should be made by T when they're up significantly enough late in a game and realistically only one thing could beat them. More ports is a big investment compared to covert ops + maybe a couple defensive barracks, which T already like to made more than one of for walls sometimes. But ya, the wraiths have been shown to be more practical than lockdown. Mixing in some Goliaths is also an option, or Valks. Maybe in a large numbers of interceptors and goliaths, valks do well to help kill more interceptors. A control tower, and some goliaths isn't that much cost.
When are we going to get the game where Flash scammed his opponent with NFTs?
I just hope his new macro won't make him more predictable than he was.
Only 5 games in one day? These guys need to commit more time if they wanna go pro 😜
7 Games vs Bisu? I'm a spoiled kid 🤤
Long games are the best games
You should drop 2 SC casts a day
another game decided by the existence of carriers
Lets gooooooooooooooooooooooo
Lol Protoss was fucked but they have the “nooo I don’t wanna lose :((( “ carrier button they can press so they can still feel like they won ❤ great job flash
The fact Protoss can just pannick build carriers is insane...
am i correct in saying that the lesson here is to be active with scouting vultures during an active, known carrier switch, to hunt for ht's?
GG