timothee chalamet has a surprisingly good screaming voice. like it doesn't sound forced at all. it's just the right amount of aggressive and commanding.
you should hear him in his 2019 film called ‘the king’! he gives another bone chilling speech there and it’s actually what made denis sure he’d make a great paul!
At first I thought it was somebody else's voice they were using. But damn was I surprised upon realising that it is own voice. Way different from his normal tone
@@chance757 That's why I got a bit of a chuckle out of people after Part 1 saying, "Well, he did a good job at that whole 'callow youth' thing, but I'm still not convinced that he could transform into a charismatic military leader." Sad to say that I haven't seen The King yet, though I'd like to, but I've heard he got very good reviews for it, and if there was a dictionary entry for "charismatic military leader," Henry V is a good bet for the picture next to it.
You know if it's possible to get people all across the world in 1984 to watch the Denis Villeneuve's adaptations of Dune Part One & Two and Dune Messiah in special one-off theatres (fitted with the current IMAX projection tech and Dolby Atmos audio standard), they would probably be having a very similar violent reaction as French audiences in the past did when they first saw the Igor Stravinsky's debut of his then-radical ballet and orchestral work The Rite of Spring.
@@footlicker6585when are elitists like you going to learn that movie taste is subjective, and that a common opinion does not make it a wrong one. Who cares man, if people like a movie let them like the movie.
The original had some Shakespirian and romantic vibe which gives some charm to this movie, while the new is more agressive, gritty and grounded. The first one acts like a coach with Jesus Christ complex who just concludes his hero's journey. While the second acts like a potential and relentless Ditactor willing to send his enemies to ''Paradise''
Yes and no. Remember: Paul now has perfect prescience - he can see not just the genetic memory (e.g. the past) of all of his ancestors, but he can also now see the future. Rather, he can see "all possible futures," and knows what possible path(s) to take to achieve the best possible outcome at any given time. Essentially, it becomes effectively impossible for him to fail (at least, for now). While not named yet, this "best possible future" is called The Golden Path. This also means that while some of Paul's followers may (or, more probably, will) die, their deaths are not in vain, but are rather part of the most-optimum solution for The Golden Path.
@@anitagorse9204 And those feelings were perfectly channeled by Chani who kept hoping Paul wouldn't fall for that prophecy crap. Oh well, the known universe is doomed now. I have a suspicion the third movie, and it seems like there will be one now, will open with exposition telling us how 60 billion people have been killed because of the Fremen's holy war.
@@VinayakPande53 Yep, that's why I'm rooting for Chani now; everybody else has gone insane in their lust for power and revenge. Poor, poor Chani... Jessica, Gurney, Stilgar de facto turning into villans, willing to slaughter billions of people with no remorse. The third movie is already confirmed, but it will take several years to actually come to the theatres.
@@souryadas5027 I wouldn’t say it’s his Harkonnen blood taking over. More that Paul is heading down the pathway of war and oppression of the known universe in a similar fashion to the Harkonnens on Arrakis. But each of our interpretations is valid as the movie doesn’t explicitly tell us these things, which is what makes it so damn good!
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849religion has always been deeply even pathologically political. For a long time it had a huge effect on swaying government policy decisions.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 religion is always about control, thats why people created "god", so that they can use the concept as a means of control over people
My dad loves the old version so much that id watch it with him and he'd read me the books cause its his favorite book but when he went to go see the new movies both part 1&2 he said I quote "When I read the books this is what i imagined and is phenomenal, the 80s were fun but compared to the new with even the minor changes it still spectacular". Denis really outdid himself 9/10.
84 version - was ok. Not dark enough, no humour, strayed too far from the books whilst trying to convey everything in the books. 00 version- probably truest to the books, but let’s be blunt, almost cheesy and low budget, but it is watchable if you love the book. 24 version…. Despite the changes and lack of explanation - it feels like what Herbert tried to do - and does it perfectly. I can live with the tweaks. There is no question, Villeneuves vision is by far the best. Although, I do lament that the spacing guild are absent.
@@briandickie7264 I think if villeneuve tried explaining the spacing guild to newbies trying to get into the lore and just casuals they'd either feel it's too much "yapping" and would get bored or the movie would be more than 2 hours cause he'd have to explain every little detail which ultimately goes back over explaining and lose the watchers attention. Majority of people don't know what dune is or about so they have to leave out some things to focus on others so the movie goer can have a great time on a world wide bases.
@@Fijxnn Also he can explain the spacing guild in "Dune Messiah" because now that the Jihad has started the whole thing is stretching across the systems. A perfect moment to go into the whole concept of spice melange and the navigators.
1948 feels more like a conclusion of a typical hero journey. A young prince finally found his kingdom. I struggle to see myself in the crowd of fanatical Fremen because for me this Paul reminds me of any other politician In comparison 2024 feels more sinister. Paul uses everything he has to make Fremen follow his. He reminds them that he's a duke, he call himself a saviour, he switches to using their language to suggest he is one of them. He's a charismatic religious figure and I understand why so many people want to believe he is special
Thing is... he IS special. Though in the second movie they don't really remind viewers. He has the training of the best warriors in the universe. He has Bene Gesserit training, which itself is a superpower. And he was trained as a Mentat by one of the best Mentats in the universe, which is not even mentioned in the movies, and is itself another superpower. And let's not forget he can see thousands of years into the past and the future! This is what I love about Dune! The prophecy was manufactured, but it was also real in a way. It was more a promise than a prophecy
@@RafaMuntean Not like a promise. The prophecy was manufactured by the Bene Gesserit in attempt to take the power of Arrakis and usurp the fremen, but the right person at the right time broke all their plans, used all their preparations and have led the fremen out the miserable life.
@@RafaMuntean to usurp the fremen and their spice. And the Kwizatz Haderach they've produced not only abandoned them, but joined the fremen and used their manufactured plan in his and fremen benefit
@@samhunt6300 when he literally is trained from birth to be the perfect leader it does come off like Mary sue ngl Paul's teachers include The Mentat master of assassin Thufir Hawat Duncan Idaho arguably the best swordsman the galaxy has ever known And Gurney Hallec veteran warrior poet
I don't remember the original book all that well, but the Villeneuve films were way better at nailing the overall feel of Paul's ascension. Yes, he's the hero of his own story, but he had to manipulate an entire race into becoming a death cult in order to win. It's as horrifying as it is compelling, and the newer movies nailed that feeling.
They were manipulayed from the beginning. Paul merely fulfilled the prophecy which was prepared for him. The kwizatz haderach and lisan al gaib are two different things. The lisan al giab is the prophecy prepared for the lisan al gaib to take over arrakis easily. The kwizatz haderach is the intended result of the bene gesserits breeding program which would make a very powerful human. Paul IS the kwiztaz haderach and he BECOMES the lisan al gaib. In the book paul mentions that at some point the jihad becomes inevitable and theres nothing he can do to stop it. I think the movie gets that across through pulls sudden shift from fear of the prophecy to fully committing to it to the point where it shocks jessica. The jihad is still his fault tho because he couldve just lived among the fremen but he insisted on getting revenge on the harkonnens and the best way he could do that is become the fremen leader. He forsaw the disaster this would cause but by then it was already too late. Thats my interpretation at least.
Even the first book didn't convey the message as clearly, which made Frank Herbert to write Dune Messiah, to explain that you really shouldn't cheer for Paul.
There are tons of differences between the book and Villeneuve's movies. But I feel he was incredibly faithful to the tone and tale of Dune, over being nailed down on the details.
@@araisikewai holy fuck the only fault of Paul's was not being strong enough to become history's own boogeyman, how is he not to be cheered for? He couldn't shoulder rejecting his humanity, wow what a bastard??
@@araisikewai I'd argue that Herbert did it better. The first book did exactly what it should have. The themes it was trying to convey were subtle and not on the nose like they are in the movies. If anything, Herbert's writing exemplified how conveniently people can get swayed by charismatic figure if the circumstances allow and if approach of the said individual is shrouded in vagary. It made for a more shocking revelation (read: a more effective subversion of expectations) and that's why Dune Messiah pissed off many fans. The blatant demonization of their favorite character didn't sit well with them. That's how it happens in real life too. Very few actually see through the veil. Most people tend to get swayed and then betrayed.
The inclusion of a made up language was brilliant. But this wasn't about the language or the studio effects. It was all about the delivery. The acting on Dune '24 was superb.
funny how people just claim they would never fall for something like this and why anybody would... I grew up in a 3rd world country in a poor neighborhood... religion and family were the core pillars. Imagine if you grew up with nothing no access to education, starving, no internet other devices with access to it. faith and elderly teachings only...
@@lemonnade5974 Not all. everything is more complicated. even in a first world country, when a severe crisis begins, it is easy to start moving. Especially if it's a war. The USSR was anti-legionary, it literally put in prison for any religion. and only 10 years of war, famine, anarchy, absolute lack of control over their lives and loved ones. She made this country one of the most religious. There are more temples there than in some Arab countries. Gigantic worship, laws and prison sentences if you speak, laugh or draw funny pictures about religion for 10 years in prison. Any anti-human laws are covered by religion. and people are being led. Only 10 years old!!! Therefore, make no mistake, any country can be thrown into the abyss of faith. People have already begun to worship technologies such as apple and are not able to live without them.
1984 Paul was pretty much giving classic hero speech, while 2024 Paul seems more like a predator going for the kill. I just love how he started his speech saying "There's no one here that can stand against me!" Really, that was something that I was not expecting
The first film feels very much like a standard hero's journey, but the new one honestly makes me terrified seeing how quickly the minds of the masses can be swayed to do a single person's bidding, EVEN WHILE KNOWING that all these prophecies were Bene Gesserit implants from hundreds of years ago. There are so many emotions running through scenes.
100%. The last 40 minutes of Dune Part Two made me feel incredibly unsettled. I was rooting for Paul until this scene and was shocked by what I was seeing him transform into. Brilliant film-making from Villeneuve.
@larapaulyn1488 "hE's DeAd!!!!" francesca annis was quite beautiful and did a decent job but rebecca ferguson just blew her out of the water (in both looks and performance)
1984: Paul's a hero, and he's gonna lead some cool martial artists to the final fight. Cool video game. 2024: I'm genuinely frightened of Paul and the Fremen because this is hitting home WAY too hard. Fuck.
I’m sorry. This is just my opinion I’ve always found the Lynch version of Dune ridiculous. Put side by side with this new version which is an adult science fiction masterpiece, the Lynch only suffers more. Granted, they could not do the level effects accomplished in the Villeneuve version. But that’s far from an excuse. Both The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi existed when Lynch made his Dune so there was a level of ability they didn’t even try to accomplish.
Don't forget Blade Runner was already 2 years old by the time the original Dune came out. There were plenty of good movies in the 80s. Lynch's Dune isn't one of them.
The clear difference between the two (apart from the obvious difference in technology, I mean 40 years have passed) is that '84 Paul looked like he was in control of his emotions while 2024 Paul was totally deranged, fell into his own fundamentalist fervor, he's really what the Bene Gesserit feared the most
Yea he wasnt deranged. After he took the water of life all his doubts faded, every action you see him take after wards is planned precisely through prescience.
Great video. Unfair to compare Lynch to Villeneuve, as they come from such different cinematic schools but I'll say this for young Timothée; he sure knows how to give a damn speech!! (Hal also rocked it in 'King' :)... Gratitude!
I think this scene most clearly shows how much better DV's Dune films are. And it's even more impressive when you compare the *full scenes* side by side. In Lynch's full scene, the Fremen are already won over and it's mostly saber rattling. In DV's full scene, Paul transforms before your eyes and you can actually see why the Fremen would follow him. But unfortunately, this edit seems to be playing up the Chani/Zendaya hate by focusing on her. 😐
I fully agree, but I didn't feel an impression of Power in the original back when I watched it, it just felt like a speech, the new one felt like an actual cry to arms to the souls of everyone in the room
Chani’s problem is Denis altered her character from the book to stand in for the audience to drive home Paul is a villain. In the book, she was big time Team Paul. The book takes place over years. Paul and Chani already had children who were murdered by the Harkonnens during their attack on seitch Tablr. Denis could have kept her the same and still it would have been clear Paul is bad news for the Freman. Regardless, Paul knew he was using the people he had grown to love, but it was the only way to save humanity. Denis’ change of Chani’s character really makes a mess of the storyline in Dune Messiah.
I don’t know why people defend lynch by saying he had budget constraints or whatever issues internally or because back then the technology wasn’t advance enough to create scenes like the current dune and many other excuses. The main issue was his art direction and whatever he was trying to do to represent dune. It was made to look like some romanticised soap opera. The Denis version set the tone of it being realistically minimalistic, dark and gritty, the cinematography emphasise a lot on the scale and setting also. Take a good look at old movies which set the standard for its remakes. 1982 blade runner is a freaking good example. The tone setting and scale sets the standard. The 2049 one followed in its footsteps.
Youre full of it. I'm certain your eyes are brown. You didn't want watch ANY of his interviews. Look them up rn. He was INCREDIBLY hurt w the movie he produced. He wanted so much more for the movie, but he couldn't do it... cuz it was never HIS film. Go on. Watch the interviews. It's been 40 years now. That movie hurts him to this day. "If you can't make the movie the way you want. Don't make the movie at all" his words.
They romantesized the Harkonnen ( brilliantly ) in the new movies, but robbed the atreides of the air of mysticism the former version had... " a sleeper must awaken " Not to say old Harkonnes weren't disturbing at times, but somehow the new harkonnes vs the old atreides would have made the picture complete... But this is personal taste thing.
The second version seems way better at getting its point across. Paul is not a hero. He knows how bad the future will be if he sticks to the path laid before him after drinking the water of life, yet he pursues it anyway, turning his friends into followers. The fanaticism really adds to it too, feels all the more sinister.
It seems you missed the second layer tho: he does that because he has seen many futures and this is more or less the only way for him and the Fremen to survive at this point.
I don’t think Paul is in love with himself or his mythos. He saw all possible futures and this was the only one that would save humanity from extinction. It’s the first step on the Golden Path that his son will complete.
Let's not sugarcoat it, guys. Dune 1984 might be a fun movie, in a guilty-pleasure sort of way, but it's not a good adaptation. Like, at all. Characters turned into parodies of themselves. Weird, grotesque visuals that are less expansions on the story and more just David Lynch being... well, David Lynch. Needless alterations like those "weirding modules". And finally, a complete misunderstanding of Dune's core themes: The dangers of fanaticism and imperialism, and a warning against charismatic leaders. Yes, Denis's film changes some things here and there. But it adapts Frank Herbert's themes, and the epic scope of his work, in a way the 1984 film never did.
@@ArcherMVMasteryup. David lynch regret it so much. Too many factor made him can't bring The Dune that he wanted to make in screen, and the final result had made him so sad
Dennis took 6 hours to tell a quarter of the book, with mostly plain visuals (large empty rooms, barely any colors other than brown or grey) and chopping a bunch of characters that went nowhere. At least 84' got to tell most of the story and had more interesting visuals.
1984 speech is like watching a high school rally by someone running for class president. 2024 speech is like watching Adolf Hitler in his prime giving a speech in a packed Munich stadium.
Frank Herbert failed to convey his message because Paul is a superhuman that gets the things done. People shout "fanaticism" and how terrifying this scene is yet the author put the fremen in the most miserable situation, in the verge of their extintion. What can they do? Talk? Vote? Be reasonable while they are colonized and hunted? This speaks well of books and movies tho. They convey multiple contradictory messages and meanings.
I know I know different times, diferents movies. But the new movie oblirates the first one. I know that all about movies has improved sustancially. But the voice and acting skills its on another level.
@@marcosrecio4062he meant acting =acting because damn the 84 was acted so badly that I hope it was just the standard acceptable way of acting back then. I mean in this video alone 84 says “dune.arrakis.desert planet” no emotion no nuance. Even the long live the fighters was just straight faced delivery but also overacted like what…
@@marcosrecio4062 if you watch Timothee's performance and get only yelling, you have failed to recognize a tremendous performance. The whole physicality of the man changes after taking the water of life. Nothing said or done to tell us that, just his raw change in vocal tones and body language.
@@marcosrecio4062 It isn't. Anyone who is saying the 84 version has bad acting, isn't really familiar with science fiction's B grade stature back then , or the more physical and melodramatic acting of the late 70s and early 80s. It seems poor acting in hindsight, but it was good-ish for its time. Vivian Leigh as Scarlet O Hara looks extremely melodramatic and overacted now, but it's also a product of its time
I disagree w the replies here. In the book, Jessica remarks how he only slightly accentuates his speech through the Voice. I think when he says “..to green paradise” and “long live the fighters”, Villeneuve was likely intentional with the slight distort we hear. It was probably the slight use of the Voice being depicted.
Dune 1984 speech seems to be of higher vibration and from a place of standing in one’s destiny and power. Kyle(actor who plays Paul) seems lighter and higher vibration. The new dune seems like a false prophet type of speech. Even Timothée(actor who plays Paul in the new film)seems a lot more darker energetically. I had a hard time listening to his speech as it came across satanic to me.
1984 es un discurso con un tono mas de la realeza y político, en la del 2024 es mas tintes de demagogia con un cierto autoritarismo bañado por un fervor religioso, casi divino
I liked the 1984 version better in every way. Yeah, I know. In the books, he's a kid, but the new version just made me feel like I was watching space Harry Potter. That kid annoys me for some reason.
The original ending doesn’t have the stakes or gravitas that part 2 did. It just kinda ends in a way that I think Frank thought was much more impactful than it actually was. The movie kinda has an ending like The Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov after the Mule reveals himself and I like that better
@@akbarindo8976 many factors play a part on why some people feel the old dune is better than the new dune. Most of the reasons are honestly pretty darn childish and immature, for example these stupid reasons: 1) I read the book and seen the OG dune. You new people and modern movie are nothing compared to me. 2) Denis changed a little bit of the novel, so I completely condemn the new Dune. 3) I don’t like Timothy or Chani. Therefor this movie sucks 4) Oh the movie have generally lots of positive reviews? Well I’m different.. I like to be different because I’m sigma. Thus I say this movie is overrated and it sucks. I hope people see me as a cool unique person.
Part 2 was great but still a lot Lynch and Herbert’s Dune superior. Especially how Lynch managed to get some of the greatest actors of that generation and Kyle who also was a Herbert Superfan that impressed Frank Herbert is still underrated extraordinary actor
@@blank7764 Not really, Frank Herbert is on record praising Kyle M performance and talking about how much of a fan he was of the books that impressed Herbert. Copium? You can't deny reality either that the cast of Dune 1984 isn't stacked with some of the greatest actors and Oscar winning set designers and costume creators ever. Many of the characters in the new Dune were utterly less memorable performance compared to the 1984 adaption. Sure it wasn't perfect though. I can only assume you're a zoomer who has no idea who those actors are, but Dune 1984 has the greatest actors of its generation and time period.
Her problem is that Paul repeatedly told her that he didn't believe in the prophecy and that it's made up by the bene gesserit to control the people. As you can see he's using the prophecies to control the fremen and become their ruler. Granted she'll eventually follow him but just imagine the love of your life brain washing your friends and family after telling you they wouldn't, would you be upset?
@@aarenlacerna2694 But shouldn't her assumption of WHY he's using the prophecy be that he must have realized this is the best way for the Fremen to get their freedom? It's not reasonable to think that he all of a sudden became a power-hungry warlord who simply wants to "control the fremen and be their ruler".
@@abstractdaddy1384 Remember Paul JUST betrayed everything he said to her, Chani's reaction is a reasonable response. It's like if your spouse went behind your back and fucked a rich person for billions of dollars and came back to you with the money, your trust in that person would be shattered and you'd probably be pissed off even if the outcome benefits you. Also, Paul literally takes control of the Fremen and becomes their ruler in this scene by saying he's their messiah, even when he told Chani multiple times that he wouldn't do it that because the prophecies are fake. How you gonna assume the person has your best interests at heart when they go behind your back and betray everything they said they wouldn't do.
@@abstractdaddy1384The why doesn't matter. As she said. The prophecy regardless of the intention behind it's use would enslave the Fremen to a religious dogma. Which it does by the end. And now the Fremen will never truly be free. Chani can see that. This is the point the movie makes. And this is the point that Frank Herbert makes in his books too. That Paul's manipulation of the Fremen was not justified. Even for the cause he was going for.
The part that I liked about the 1984 version is how they pronounced Harkonnnen with the middle syllable (koe) instead of (ka) like in the newer version, to me it sounded more menacing & threatening in the old film, just my 2 cents
The part that I liked about the 1984 version is how they pronounced Harkonnnen with the middle syllable (koe) instead of (ka) like in the newer version, to me it sounded more menacing & threatening in the old film, just my 2 cents
Another thing about Dune 1984 that I like are the ending credits, Dune 2024 may be superior in a lot of ways; but they'll never be able to top those final scenes from Toto's beautiful soundtrack
Yet some describe the resent iteration as a master piece,,,,, There is FAR more talent that has suffered the ugly of society to be reduced to failure than there is in examples of recent success! We all lose for the lack of vision of those in power......including them..... As is the lack of creative variation and visionary investments of effort that is now the precedent tomorrow will inherit!!!! Humanities biggest issue is that stupid isn't stupid until its seen as stupid by all the people that once saw it as clever! it ensures foolish investments of effort sustain well past their sell by date......!
Chani frowning like a petulant child is just weird. They really ruined her. Yeah her role was minimal in the book but at least she isn't an insane lunatic whose viewpoint makes no sense.
Some scenes the 1980s movie did better. For example when Paul silence's the head bene gesserit it's pretty tame and short in the Villeneuve version while in the Lynch version it's much more aggresive in tone and speech when Paul shouts: "SILENCE!! I remember your gom jabbar. Now you remember mine. I can kill with a word". ruclips.net/video/FLbNrYdRtl4/видео.html
Dune 2024's version can't possibly blow the original out of the water any harder, the impact and cool factor is like comparing a butter knife to a machete.
E Rudhi Dina, heshidhanii: ne Lisaan al-Gayib. Ruyi dimala ruk a- SHIDHGIM. The other guys delivery is so bad he never really stood a chance. There were plenty of examples of how charismatic leaders deliver speeches. Kyle maclachlan must have ignored all of them.
timothee chalamet has a surprisingly good screaming voice. like it doesn't sound forced at all. it's just the right amount of aggressive and commanding.
you should hear him in his 2019 film called ‘the king’! he gives another bone chilling speech there and it’s actually what made denis sure he’d make a great paul!
At first I thought it was somebody else's voice they were using.
But damn was I surprised upon realising that it is own voice.
Way different from his normal tone
I think he's meant to be using 'The Voice' as well a bit, so they'll have beefed it out in post
@@chance757 That's why I got a bit of a chuckle out of people after Part 1 saying, "Well, he did a good job at that whole 'callow youth' thing, but I'm still not convinced that he could transform into a charismatic military leader." Sad to say that I haven't seen The King yet, though I'd like to, but I've heard he got very good reviews for it, and if there was a dictionary entry for "charismatic military leader," Henry V is a good bet for the picture next to it.
I watched part of Wonka before I had to take it back to the library, and he also has a very good singing voice. "Usul, give us a song!" 😆
Timothee Chalamet just stepped up in every way in Part Two.
Happy he wasn’t gay in this like he was in Wonka
@@Fightihe was gay in wonka? I’ve never seen it lol
@@thanksdad9514 no just acted gay
@@Fightiwhat 😂
@@Fighti A character named "Willy Wonka" behaving flamboyantly?? What is the world coming to??????
First one : Little goosebumps.
Second one : when the language turns : Damn full shivering goosebumps.
You know if it's possible to get people all across the world in 1984 to watch the Denis Villeneuve's adaptations of Dune Part One & Two and Dune Messiah in special one-off theatres (fitted with the current IMAX projection tech and Dolby Atmos audio standard), they would probably be having a very similar violent reaction as French audiences in the past did when they first saw the Igor Stravinsky's debut of his then-radical ballet and orchestral work The Rite of Spring.
@@footlicker6585when are elitists like you going to learn that movie taste is subjective, and that a common opinion does not make it a wrong one. Who cares man, if people like a movie let them like the movie.
@@footlicker6585 More like your opinion you can keep it on your own, nobody's forcing you.
Thanx Mr. Footlicker. Right back at ya...and your mama.
@@footlicker6585nostalgia blindness, first one sounded like a high school play in comparison
Dune 1984 : European church
Dune 2024 : Arab war camp
@@montyi8 not in Poland :)
@@Wisnia_Well the Poles have all gone to England to squat on street corners
@@cometmoon4485 or to defend poor British people during the II WW. Just like 303 Squadron and thanks to that, you still have streets.
Which is why Dune '24 hits where Dune '84 misses.
@@Wisnia_poles are useless :)
Dune 1984: Eh
Dune 2024: I am ready to die in a holy war for the Lisan al-Gaib
You missed the point
@@romankotas448 I see the point... Blah blah warning about religion...blah blah Paul isn't a hero.
Yeah I know, still would die in a Space Jihad tho.
@@vond5829 ok then your just a boring fuck without much imagination to speak of
@@romankotas448 nooooooo paul is a heckin false prophet you cant just wanna die in the jihad for the lisan al gaib
@@romankotas448 that's the joke. Seeing the point and intentionally missing it, just for the vibe.
The original had some Shakespirian and romantic vibe which gives some charm to this movie, while the new is more agressive, gritty and grounded.
The first one acts like a coach with Jesus Christ complex who just concludes his hero's journey.
While the second acts like a potential and relentless Ditactor willing to send his enemies to ''Paradise''
Yes and no. Remember: Paul now has perfect prescience - he can see not just the genetic memory (e.g. the past) of all of his ancestors, but he can also now see the future. Rather, he can see "all possible futures," and knows what possible path(s) to take to achieve the best possible outcome at any given time. Essentially, it becomes effectively impossible for him to fail (at least, for now). While not named yet, this "best possible future" is called The Golden Path. This also means that while some of Paul's followers may (or, more probably, will) die, their deaths are not in vain, but are rather part of the most-optimum solution for The Golden Path.
@@bigmike-if only I can could look that much ahead when it comes to trading stocks 😂
@@KLK01pl,kyu
@@KLK01a golden path indeed
Bullshit. Imagine if Villenueve Dune came out first and Lynch's Dune came out later, everyone would say Lynch's Dune is utter shit.
That's hardcore fanaticism in the second clip.
Yep. 84 version it's like they're simply cheering for a cool guy, while 24 they're praising a messiah.
@@Rauruatreides Nicely said. Saw it last night on IMAX. My god, it was a majestic cinema experience
Ikr...when we were watching the movie at the cinema, sighs of despair could be heard, like oh no, he has turned to the dark side.
@@anitagorse9204 And those feelings were perfectly channeled by Chani who kept hoping Paul wouldn't fall for that prophecy crap. Oh well, the known universe is doomed now. I have a suspicion the third movie, and it seems like there will be one now, will open with exposition telling us how 60 billion people have been killed because of the Fremen's holy war.
@@VinayakPande53 Yep, that's why I'm rooting for Chani now; everybody else has gone insane in their lust for power and revenge. Poor, poor Chani... Jessica, Gurney, Stilgar de facto turning into villans, willing to slaughter billions of people with no remorse. The third movie is already confirmed, but it will take several years to actually come to the theatres.
Anyone else notice how, in the new movie, when he steps outside, its Harkonen music playing in the soundtrack, not Fremen or even Atreides?
Yeah... goes well since it shows its his Harkonnen blood taking over now.
That is cinema. Show and not tell. Even with sound scape there so much a director can tell without so much exposition
I hadn’t noticed!! Thank you
@@souryadas5027 I wouldn’t say it’s his Harkonnen blood taking over. More that Paul is heading down the pathway of war and oppression of the known universe in a similar fashion to the Harkonnens on Arrakis. But each of our interpretations is valid as the movie doesn’t explicitly tell us these things, which is what makes it so damn good!
@@ggroombr True, in this universe "Harkonnen blood taking over" means something totally different
The original feels more like a political movement. The second one feels very religious
It's only pseudo-religious as it's still veru much political in its core
Times have changed and with them, interpretation of the old stories...
Both can be true
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849religion has always been deeply even pathologically political. For a long time it had a huge effect on swaying government policy decisions.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 religion is always about control, thats why people created "god", so that they can use the concept as a means of control over people
The use of the fremen language makes a huge difference imo
Chekobsa 👍
@@tylerwhalesThe fremen language is different from chakobsa
I wish he shouted "Father! The sleeper has awakened!" at the end of his speach. That would make it 10/10 for me.
My dad loves the old version so much that id watch it with him and he'd read me the books cause its his favorite book but when he went to go see the new movies both part 1&2 he said I quote "When I read the books this is what i imagined and is phenomenal, the 80s were fun but compared to the new with even the minor changes it still spectacular". Denis really outdid himself 9/10.
Yup, this is my opinion too
The new movies are what the book feels like
84 version - was ok. Not dark enough, no humour, strayed too far from the books whilst trying to convey everything in the books.
00 version- probably truest to the books, but let’s be blunt, almost cheesy and low budget, but it is watchable if you love the book.
24 version…. Despite the changes and lack of explanation - it feels like what Herbert tried to do - and does it perfectly. I can live with the tweaks.
There is no question, Villeneuves vision is by far the best. Although, I do lament that the spacing guild are absent.
@@briandickie7264 I think if villeneuve tried explaining the spacing guild to newbies trying to get into the lore and just casuals they'd either feel it's too much "yapping" and would get bored or the movie would be more than 2 hours cause he'd have to explain every little detail which ultimately goes back over explaining and lose the watchers attention. Majority of people don't know what dune is or about so they have to leave out some things to focus on others so the movie goer can have a great time on a world wide bases.
@@Fijxnn Also he can explain the spacing guild in "Dune Messiah" because now that the Jihad has started the whole thing is stretching across the systems. A perfect moment to go into the whole concept of spice melange and the navigators.
1948 feels more like a conclusion of a typical hero journey. A young prince finally found his kingdom. I struggle to see myself in the crowd of fanatical Fremen because for me this Paul reminds me of any other politician
In comparison 2024 feels more sinister. Paul uses everything he has to make Fremen follow his. He reminds them that he's a duke, he call himself a saviour, he switches to using their language to suggest he is one of them. He's a charismatic religious figure and I understand why so many people want to believe he is special
Thing is... he IS special. Though in the second movie they don't really remind viewers. He has the training of the best warriors in the universe. He has Bene Gesserit training, which itself is a superpower. And he was trained as a Mentat by one of the best Mentats in the universe, which is not even mentioned in the movies, and is itself another superpower. And let's not forget he can see thousands of years into the past and the future!
This is what I love about Dune! The prophecy was manufactured, but it was also real in a way. It was more a promise than a prophecy
@@RafaMunteanThis!! I find myself believing in the prophecy, since the powers Paul has, and the promises he will keep like up with it?
@@RafaMuntean Not like a promise. The prophecy was manufactured by the Bene Gesserit in attempt to take the power of Arrakis and usurp the fremen, but the right person at the right time broke all their plans, used all their preparations and have led the fremen out the miserable life.
@@pontus1420 It was manufactured, but the Bene Gesserit we're actively working to produce the Kwizatz Paddlewack...
@@RafaMuntean to usurp the fremen and their spice. And the Kwizatz Haderach they've produced not only abandoned them, but joined the fremen and used their manufactured plan in his and fremen benefit
First : cool
Second : MAAAHDIIIII 😭😭😭
Man the way Timothee’s voice booms when he says Lisan Al-Gaib. One of his best performances to date if not the best.
"My name is Paul Muad'dib Atreides, duke of arrakis. Eru di dina heshi lani ne lissan al gaib,
Rui di menaluk ashidim!"
Addaam reshi a-zaanta!
Lisan Al-Ghaib!
"Addam reshi a-zaanta!"
"FIRE!"
0:14 - "Arrakis......Dune......Desert planet....."
.......MY DESERT........MY ARRAKIS........MY DUNE!!
- Baron Big Daddy Vladdy.
The Original one actually feels like Royalty/Way More Regal than Tim’s Paul. Like he was bred and born to Rule while Tim’s paul had to earn it.
Original felt like Paul is a Mary sue
@@samhunt6300they literally have all the same plot points, successes, and failures
Tim's Paul is also bred and born to rule, but he had to earn it bc his grandpa took it away from him.
@@larapaulyn1488 that literally happens in the 1984 movie as well
@@samhunt6300 when he literally is trained from birth to be the perfect leader it does come off like Mary sue ngl
Paul's teachers include
The Mentat master of assassin Thufir Hawat
Duncan Idaho arguably the best swordsman the galaxy has ever known
And Gurney Hallec veteran warrior poet
I don't remember the original book all that well, but the Villeneuve films were way better at nailing the overall feel of Paul's ascension. Yes, he's the hero of his own story, but he had to manipulate an entire race into becoming a death cult in order to win. It's as horrifying as it is compelling, and the newer movies nailed that feeling.
They were manipulayed from the beginning. Paul merely fulfilled the prophecy which was prepared for him. The kwizatz haderach and lisan al gaib are two different things. The lisan al giab is the prophecy prepared for the lisan al gaib to take over arrakis easily. The kwizatz haderach is the intended result of the bene gesserits breeding program which would make a very powerful human. Paul IS the kwiztaz haderach and he BECOMES the lisan al gaib.
In the book paul mentions that at some point the jihad becomes inevitable and theres nothing he can do to stop it. I think the movie gets that across through pulls sudden shift from fear of the prophecy to fully committing to it to the point where it shocks jessica. The jihad is still his fault tho because he couldve just lived among the fremen but he insisted on getting revenge on the harkonnens and the best way he could do that is become the fremen leader. He forsaw the disaster this would cause but by then it was already too late. Thats my interpretation at least.
Even the first book didn't convey the message as clearly, which made Frank Herbert to write Dune Messiah, to explain that you really shouldn't cheer for Paul.
There are tons of differences between the book and Villeneuve's movies. But I feel he was incredibly faithful to the tone and tale of Dune, over being nailed down on the details.
@@araisikewai holy fuck the only fault of Paul's was not being strong enough to become history's own boogeyman, how is he not to be cheered for? He couldn't shoulder rejecting his humanity, wow what a bastard??
@@araisikewai I'd argue that Herbert did it better. The first book did exactly what it should have. The themes it was trying to convey were subtle and not on the nose like they are in the movies. If anything, Herbert's writing exemplified how conveniently people can get swayed by charismatic figure if the circumstances allow and if approach of the said individual is shrouded in vagary. It made for a more shocking revelation (read: a more effective subversion of expectations) and that's why Dune Messiah pissed off many fans. The blatant demonization of their favorite character didn't sit well with them. That's how it happens in real life too. Very few actually see through the veil. Most people tend to get swayed and then betrayed.
The inclusion of a made up language was brilliant. But this wasn't about the language or the studio effects. It was all about the delivery. The acting on Dune '24 was superb.
funny how people just claim they would never fall for something like this and why anybody would... I grew up in a 3rd world country in a poor neighborhood... religion and family were the core pillars.
Imagine if you grew up with nothing no access to education, starving, no internet other devices with access to it. faith and elderly teachings only...
I thought he was the Lisan al gaib while i watched the movie
yea that's how religions spread in the first place. one charismatic guy in a boring and ignorant environment is all you need to start such movements
@@lemonnade5974 Not all. everything is more complicated. even in a first world country, when a severe crisis begins, it is easy to start moving. Especially if it's a war. The USSR was anti-legionary, it literally put in prison for any religion. and only 10 years of war, famine, anarchy, absolute lack of control over their lives and loved ones. She made this country one of the most religious. There are more temples there than in some Arab countries. Gigantic worship, laws and prison sentences if you speak, laugh or draw funny pictures about religion for 10 years in prison. Any anti-human laws are covered by religion. and people are being led. Only 10 years old!!! Therefore, make no mistake, any country can be thrown into the abyss of faith. People have already begun to worship technologies such as apple and are not able to live without them.
1984 Paul was pretty much giving classic hero speech, while 2024 Paul seems more like a predator going for the kill. I just love how he started his speech saying "There's no one here that can stand against me!" Really, that was something that I was not expecting
Lynch Paul: "let's talk better mileage"
Villeneuve Paul: "kill em all"
which message do you think will resonate with Fremen
The first film feels very much like a standard hero's journey, but the new one honestly makes me terrified seeing how quickly the minds of the masses can be swayed to do a single person's bidding, EVEN WHILE KNOWING that all these prophecies were Bene Gesserit implants from hundreds of years ago. There are so many emotions running through scenes.
100%. The last 40 minutes of Dune Part Two made me feel incredibly unsettled. I was rooting for Paul until this scene and was shocked by what I was seeing him transform into. Brilliant film-making from Villeneuve.
Timothée really stepped up his game in part 2
Paul Atreides in Dune part one: 😕
Paul Atreides in Dune part two: 😠
Worm piss is a hell of a drug
1984 version felt like a parody at this point
the "oH mY gOd" in the thopter scene always gets me
Careful you're gonna anger the nostalgia blinded ones
It always was.
The 1984 version IS a parody, Paul was a hero there
@larapaulyn1488 "hE's DeAd!!!!"
francesca annis was quite beautiful and did a decent job but rebecca ferguson just blew her out of the water (in both looks and performance)
That second scene was so good tone-wise I swear I didn’t even feel like that while reading the original scene in the book…
1984: Speaks of a storm that will shake the universe
2024: IS THE STORM SHAKES THE FUCKING UNIVERSE
And then Paul got frozen in a vault ad released 200 years later to become a vault overseer.
I've seen the 2nd movie about 4 times now, and the last 30ish minutes still get my heart pumping.
1984: nice
2024: FOR THE LISAN AL GAIB!!
Timothy had a career defying performance with dune part 2. Best movie I’ve seen In The last decade.
I think you meant ‚defining‘.
@@Aine197 I did, my phone not so much
The second one definitely does a better job of capturing the start of a Jihad
I imagine if you were in one of the Al Qaeda camps and Bin laden come in and speak, it would be very similar to this scene in Dune 24.
Chalamet looks badass in 2nd movie. Love the character development.
Dune 2 got me ready to give my life for Paul’s jihad. I don’t even care if dune is a cautionary tale. He’s my lisaan al-ghaib.
1984: Paul's a hero, and he's gonna lead some cool martial artists to the final fight. Cool video game.
2024: I'm genuinely frightened of Paul and the Fremen because this is hitting home WAY too hard. Fuck.
The first was a hero's speech. The second was a villains speech.
Yea 🎉
I’m sorry. This is just my opinion I’ve always found the Lynch version of Dune ridiculous. Put side by side with this new version which is an adult science fiction masterpiece, the Lynch only suffers more. Granted, they could not do the level effects accomplished in the Villeneuve version. But that’s far from an excuse. Both The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi existed when Lynch made his Dune so there was a level of ability they didn’t even try to accomplish.
Don't forget Blade Runner was already 2 years old by the time the original Dune came out. There were plenty of good movies in the 80s. Lynch's Dune isn't one of them.
The clear difference between the two (apart from the obvious difference in technology, I mean 40 years have passed) is that '84 Paul looked like he was in control of his emotions while 2024 Paul was totally deranged, fell into his own fundamentalist fervor, he's really what the Bene Gesserit feared the most
Paul being deranged or "out of control" is basically denying the whole movie. he couldnt be more in control of everything.
Yea he wasnt deranged. After he took the water of life all his doubts faded, every action you see him take after wards is planned precisely through prescience.
I will say, the 1984 (literally) version actually doesn’t seem bad. Seems like it’s pretty decent. But 2024 is a masterpiece.
The second clip!!! Now that is someone taking advantage of peoples ignorance!
The 1984 version lost me at heart plugs, voice guns....and the perfect hair cuts.
Don't forget they make Baron so disgusting
@@radithramadhan8488 The baron is supposed to be disgusting
@@marcosrecio4062but not comically disgusting. Because 84 baron hd no sense of danger coming off him. Just looked like a man child with acne
And don't forget the movie stalling every time we hear those voice overs.
@@radithramadhan8488nah that’s how he was in the book but less silly than in that version
The second one is better because you can feel Paul is the villain now
Paul isnt a villain or hero. He is what you would call an anti hero. Atleast thats what frank perceived him as in the books.
It’s actually mainly because of writing, delivery and that it’s in a different language.
Great video. Unfair to compare Lynch to Villeneuve, as they come from such different cinematic schools but I'll say this for young Timothée; he sure knows how to give a damn speech!! (Hal also rocked it in 'King' :)... Gratitude!
I think this scene most clearly shows how much better DV's Dune films are. And it's even more impressive when you compare the *full scenes* side by side. In Lynch's full scene, the Fremen are already won over and it's mostly saber rattling. In DV's full scene, Paul transforms before your eyes and you can actually see why the Fremen would follow him. But unfortunately, this edit seems to be playing up the Chani/Zendaya hate by focusing on her. 😐
That was not my intention 😐
Copyright boundaries made me shorten the edit…
It’s very rare that we get a movie that is objectively better in almost every way to the one that came before but we have it here
objectively you dont have brains
I think each style has it's own value. Speaking softy and in a measured way, can often be more powerful than a delivery that is loud and emphatic.
You speak softly to a hall of thousands of people and it isn’t getting past the 3rd row.
I fully agree, but I didn't feel an impression of Power in the original back when I watched it, it just felt like a speech, the new one felt like an actual cry to arms to the souls of everyone in the room
Timothée’s voice is something special too how it gets so deep when he yells whereas most people’s gets high when they yell
Nah, first one didnt made me feel anything but the second one made my blood boil. So much passion and power in his speech
You don't make people willing to die in a holy war by speaking softly and in a measured way.
Didn't saw this in theater but 2024 Version is literally like 'How to turn people into extremists today.' 🤨
The second one gives you goosebumps
Chani’s problem is Denis altered her character from the book to stand in for the audience to drive home Paul is a villain. In the book, she was big time Team Paul. The book takes place over years. Paul and Chani already had children who were murdered by the Harkonnens during their attack on seitch Tablr. Denis could have kept her the same and still it would have been clear Paul is bad news for the Freman. Regardless, Paul knew he was using the people he had grown to love, but it was the only way to save humanity. Denis’ change of Chani’s character really makes a mess of the storyline in Dune Messiah.
Well, there was no guarantee messiah would’ve been greenlit. That said, I’m sure they have a plan to fix this.
I don’t know why people defend lynch by saying he had budget constraints or whatever issues internally or because back then the technology wasn’t advance enough to create scenes like the current dune and many other excuses.
The main issue was his art direction and whatever he was trying to do to represent dune. It was made to look like some romanticised soap opera.
The Denis version set the tone of it being realistically minimalistic, dark and gritty, the cinematography emphasise a lot on the scale and setting also.
Take a good look at old movies which set the standard for its remakes. 1982 blade runner is a freaking good example. The tone setting and scale sets the standard. The 2049 one followed in its footsteps.
Noone has to defend Lynch lol
Youre full of it. I'm certain your eyes are brown. You didn't want watch ANY of his interviews. Look them up rn. He was INCREDIBLY hurt w the movie he produced. He wanted so much more for the movie, but he couldn't do it... cuz it was never HIS film.
Go on. Watch the interviews. It's been 40 years now. That movie hurts him to this day. "If you can't make the movie the way you want. Don't make the movie at all" his words.
@@damondoran3945I've seen plenty of defence of Lynch's Dune. Some of the most idiotic takes like the fighting was better in Lynch's 😂😂😂😂
That scene from dune part 2 gives me chills🔥
"Eh, the first clip was kinda okay I guess, I dont knooOOOOH UNDER THE BLUE SEA OR SOMETHING!!!!"
The 1984 one feels like a generic good guy speech, the new one feels like the 2nd coming of Christ is speaking.
Anyone else hear villain music in the second one?
They romantesized the Harkonnen ( brilliantly ) in the new movies, but robbed the atreides of the air of mysticism the former version had... " a sleeper must awaken "
Not to say old Harkonnes weren't disturbing at times, but somehow the new harkonnes vs the old atreides would have made the picture complete... But this is personal taste thing.
But i love how house of atreides portrayal in 2024 dune works
The second version seems way better at getting its point across. Paul is not a hero. He knows how bad the future will be if he sticks to the path laid before him after drinking the water of life, yet he pursues it anyway, turning his friends into followers. The fanaticism really adds to it too, feels all the more sinister.
It seems you missed the second layer tho: he does that because he has seen many futures and this is more or less the only way for him and the Fremen to survive at this point.
I don’t think Paul is in love with himself or his mythos. He saw all possible futures and this was the only one that would save humanity from extinction. It’s the first step on the Golden Path that his son will complete.
@@darksteelmenace595Exactly. It's more complex than what people are thinking, he's not a conventional hero or villain, he's something inbetween that.
Both Pauls came to the conclusion to not be part of the problem…
1984: by solving the problem
2024: by becoming the ENTIRE problem
Let's not sugarcoat it, guys.
Dune 1984 might be a fun movie, in a guilty-pleasure sort of way, but it's not a good adaptation.
Like, at all.
Characters turned into parodies of themselves.
Weird, grotesque visuals that are less expansions on the story and more just David Lynch being... well, David Lynch.
Needless alterations like those "weirding modules".
And finally, a complete misunderstanding of Dune's core themes:
The dangers of fanaticism and imperialism, and a warning against charismatic leaders.
Yes, Denis's film changes some things here and there.
But it adapts Frank Herbert's themes, and the epic scope of his work, in a way the 1984 film never did.
I'm sorry, but there is no way that you can say the new movie is somehow more epic in scope.
@@derek96720it is though
I saw a clip where the director of the old movie expressing regret on how bad the movie turned out to be. He didn't like what he made.
@@ArcherMVMasteryup. David lynch regret it so much. Too many factor made him can't bring The Dune that he wanted to make in screen, and the final result had made him so sad
Dennis took 6 hours to tell a quarter of the book, with mostly plain visuals (large empty rooms, barely any colors other than brown or grey) and chopping a bunch of characters that went nowhere. At least 84' got to tell most of the story and had more interesting visuals.
I agree that the 2024 Dune speech was better but that abyss line from 1984 goes hard af
Its a shame that you cut the video right before one of the best shots in the history of cinema.
I have now seen the Lynch and Villeneuve movies and the Harrison miniseries. Now I finally have to read the book.
1984's speech made me fall asleep...
2024 speech: Gimme the damn knives!!!
how old are you ?
@@elisabetracingWhy do you feel so offended by this that you have to resort to low level ad hominems? Are you that insecure?
1984 speech is like watching a high school rally by someone running for class president.
2024 speech is like watching Adolf Hitler in his prime giving a speech in a packed Munich stadium.
Chalamet’s Muad’Dib strikes me as the type to command drums made of his enemies skins (something he does between the first and second books)
The second one knows the power of religious fanaticism.
Frank Herbert failed to convey his message because Paul is a superhuman that gets the things done.
People shout "fanaticism" and how terrifying this scene is yet the author put the fremen in the most miserable situation, in the verge of their extintion. What can they do? Talk? Vote? Be reasonable while they are colonized and hunted?
This speaks well of books and movies tho. They convey multiple contradictory messages and meanings.
I watched the 1984 movie and so i wasn't expecting much from the speech in part 2 but then timothee turned caps lock on and my guts got all icy
Love the description 😂
Dune (1984): What 60s readers think Paul is.
Dune Parts One & Two: Frank Herbert's vision.
I know I know different times, diferents movies. But the new movie oblirates the first one. I know that all about movies has improved sustancially. But the voice and acting skills its on another level.
Honestly having the epic hype man is the reason the second won
The set design in 1984 is so underrated
I gotta say..
I like the still suit design from 1984 over 2024.
The acting and conviction in the 1984 version just feels like it’s filled with wooden actors devoid of emotion. 🤷🏼♂️
I bet you think yelling=acting?
@@marcosrecio4062he meant acting =acting because damn the 84 was acted so badly that I hope it was just the standard acceptable way of acting back then. I mean in this video alone 84 says “dune.arrakis.desert planet” no emotion no nuance. Even the long live the fighters was just straight faced delivery but also overacted like what…
@@marcosrecio4062 if you watch Timothee's performance and get only yelling, you have failed to recognize a tremendous performance. The whole physicality of the man changes after taking the water of life. Nothing said or done to tell us that, just his raw change in vocal tones and body language.
@@dipu94321 the same way can be use d for the 84 version,just because he's not yelling doesn't mean is wooden or bad acting.
@@marcosrecio4062 It isn't. Anyone who is saying the 84 version has bad acting, isn't really familiar with science fiction's B grade stature back then , or the more physical and melodramatic acting of the late 70s and early 80s.
It seems poor acting in hindsight, but it was good-ish for its time.
Vivian Leigh as Scarlet O Hara looks extremely melodramatic and overacted now, but it's also a product of its time
Did he use the Voice in the last clip?
No, you can tell when they use the Voice in the new movies, it's unworldly.
He’s doing something to project his voice, but it’s not THE voice.
The Voice sounds very demonic in the new movies, if he used it you would know immediately.
I think they just edited his voice to make it powerful.
I disagree w the replies here. In the book, Jessica remarks how he only slightly accentuates his speech through the Voice. I think when he says “..to green paradise” and “long live the fighters”, Villeneuve was likely intentional with the slight distort we hear. It was probably the slight use of the Voice being depicted.
The original had this cool Catholic/Orthodox vibe. The priests with their censors… If it wasn’t sci if it would look like a monastery.
I love how they captured the sheer size of the Fremen society and particularly the council in part 2
Father! The sleeper has awakened!
Watching Chani in the latest version… you can feel her pain. 😞
Dune 1984 speech seems to be of higher vibration and from a place of standing in one’s destiny and power. Kyle(actor who plays Paul) seems lighter and higher vibration.
The new dune seems like a false prophet type of speech. Even Timothée(actor who plays Paul in the new film)seems a lot more darker energetically. I had a hard time listening to his speech as it came across satanic to me.
1984 es un discurso con un tono mas de la realeza y político, en la del 2024 es mas tintes de demagogia con un cierto autoritarismo bañado por un fervor religioso, casi divino
the original was more Shakespearian
the new - blood pumping, I'm ready to follow him into the depths of hell.
Syfy version I'll lead, pls trust me
With those costumes?? Yikes.
I liked the 1984 version better in every way. Yeah, I know. In the books, he's a kid, but the new version just made me feel like I was watching space Harry Potter. That kid annoys me for some reason.
People who believe old Dune was better are on some serious level of denial
And spice
Addam Reshi Azzanta!!! ✊✊✊✊
FUN FACT: Denis Villeneuve said he probably would have not done DUNE without Timothée Chalamet as Paul
I would've liked this (2024) Movie Better, had they kept the lines from The Book at The End. Instead, we just got, "Silence!"
The original ending doesn’t have the stakes or gravitas that part 2 did. It just kinda ends in a way that I think Frank thought was much more impactful than it actually was. The movie kinda has an ending like The Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov after the Mule reveals himself and I like that better
@@romankotas448 I have no idea what you are talking about. 😐
@@DavidMyrmidon I’m too high to remember honestly
Dune 1984 sucked ass LMAO
i still don't understand how people can say it's better than the new dune
It was just different time. D. Lynch have had many problems, number one how to cram everything into a single movie.
@@akbarindo8976 many factors play a part on why some people feel the old dune is better than the new dune. Most of the reasons are honestly pretty darn childish and immature, for example these stupid reasons:
1) I read the book and seen the OG dune. You new people and modern movie are nothing compared to me.
2) Denis changed a little bit of the novel, so I completely condemn the new Dune.
3) I don’t like Timothy or Chani. Therefor this movie sucks
4) Oh the movie have generally lots of positive reviews? Well I’m different.. I like to be different because I’m sigma. Thus I say this movie is overrated and it sucks. I hope people see me as a cool unique person.
@@akbarindo8976it’s pretty terrible no offense but I mean it was so bad that David Lynch disowned it.
@@frostymourne867 I've never seen anyone defend 84 with any of those arguments, but for what is worth zandaya does suck at acting.
you dont compare shit with masterpiece sitting top 20 best movies of all time
which is which
Yea, the 84 version is a porn parody of a comparison. I liked it when I first watched it, now I almost hate it.
in the second version we see not a duke, but a stupid child who has risen to power
Part 2 was great but still a lot Lynch and Herbert’s Dune superior. Especially how Lynch managed to get some of the greatest actors of that generation and Kyle who also was a Herbert Superfan that impressed Frank Herbert is still underrated extraordinary actor
I don’t agree but I will say Kyle’s version of Paul was very impressive
Copium
@@blank7764 Not really, Frank Herbert is on record praising Kyle M performance and talking about how much of a fan he was of the books that impressed Herbert. Copium? You can't deny reality either that the cast of Dune 1984 isn't stacked with some of the greatest actors and Oscar winning set designers and costume creators ever. Many of the characters in the new Dune were utterly less memorable performance compared to the 1984 adaption. Sure it wasn't perfect though.
I can only assume you're a zoomer who has no idea who those actors are, but Dune 1984 has the greatest actors of its generation and time period.
The 1984 version is superior -
Lol utterly shit troll take 😂
Can someone explain to me what Chani's problem is? What does she want Paul to do instead?
Her problem is that Paul repeatedly told her that he didn't believe in the prophecy and that it's made up by the bene gesserit to control the people. As you can see he's using the prophecies to control the fremen and become their ruler. Granted she'll eventually follow him but just imagine the love of your life brain washing your friends and family after telling you they wouldn't, would you be upset?
@@aarenlacerna2694
But shouldn't her assumption of WHY he's using the prophecy be that he must have realized this is the best way for the Fremen to get their freedom?
It's not reasonable to think that he all of a sudden became a power-hungry warlord who simply wants to "control the fremen and be their ruler".
@@abstractdaddy1384 Remember Paul JUST betrayed everything he said to her, Chani's reaction is a reasonable response. It's like if your spouse went behind your back and fucked a rich person for billions of dollars and came back to you with the money, your trust in that person would be shattered and you'd probably be pissed off even if the outcome benefits you. Also, Paul literally takes control of the Fremen and becomes their ruler in this scene by saying he's their messiah, even when he told Chani multiple times that he wouldn't do it that because the prophecies are fake. How you gonna assume the person has your best interests at heart when they go behind your back and betray everything they said they wouldn't do.
@@abstractdaddy1384The why doesn't matter.
As she said. The prophecy regardless of the intention behind it's use would enslave the Fremen to a religious dogma.
Which it does by the end. And now the Fremen will never truly be free. Chani can see that.
This is the point the movie makes. And this is the point that Frank Herbert makes in his books too.
That Paul's manipulation of the Fremen was not justified. Even for the cause he was going for.
not start a holy war? lol
The 84 version is still my preferred version. That long live the fighters is too epic man.
Nah, that shit sounded like a plank of wood.
The part that I liked about the 1984 version is how they pronounced Harkonnnen with the middle syllable (koe) instead of (ka) like in the newer version, to me it sounded more menacing & threatening in the old film, just my 2 cents
The part that I liked about the 1984 version is how they pronounced Harkonnnen with the middle syllable (koe) instead of (ka) like in the newer version, to me it sounded more menacing & threatening in the old film, just my 2 cents
@@juangallegos1048 I completely agree. t sounds so much more sinister.
Another thing about Dune 1984 that I like are the ending credits, Dune 2024 may be superior in a lot of ways; but they'll never be able to top those final scenes from Toto's beautiful soundtrack
Yet some describe the resent iteration as a master piece,,,,, There is FAR more talent that has suffered the ugly of society to be reduced to failure than there is in examples of recent success! We all lose for the lack of vision of those in power......including them..... As is the lack of creative variation and visionary investments of effort that is now the precedent tomorrow will inherit!!!!
Humanities biggest issue is that stupid isn't stupid until its seen as stupid by all the people that once saw it as clever! it ensures foolish investments of effort sustain well past their sell by date......!
Chani frowning like a petulant child is just weird. They really ruined her. Yeah her role was minimal in the book but at least she isn't an insane lunatic whose viewpoint makes no sense.
Some scenes the 1980s movie did better. For example when Paul silence's the head bene gesserit it's pretty tame and short in the Villeneuve version while in the Lynch version it's much more aggresive in tone and speech when Paul shouts: "SILENCE!! I remember your gom jabbar. Now you remember mine. I can kill with a word". ruclips.net/video/FLbNrYdRtl4/видео.html
Dune 2024's version can't possibly blow the original out of the water any harder, the impact and cool factor is like comparing a butter knife to a machete.
1984 film had a better soundtrack, fight me! (Draws crysknife)
It's like Zendaya has one expression in this movie.
E Rudhi Dina, heshidhanii: ne Lisaan al-Gayib. Ruyi dimala ruk a-
SHIDHGIM.
The other guys delivery is so bad he never really stood a chance.
There were plenty of examples of how charismatic leaders deliver speeches. Kyle maclachlan must have ignored all of them.