It's crazy that Sony have been using the same battery design since the '90s. I can go buy a brand new Infolithium L pack, stick it in my '99 Hi8 Handycam and it'll work
I am blasting Derek Sherinian - Planet X VERY loudly, and I just started your vid above again for the hell of it. (I saw it earlier today.) So, your voice blasted me, although not unexpectedly. Sounds good. Once again, cool vid!
No way this split apart so easily!!!!! I tried that and our European versions of these are brutally fused together and you have to use a dremmel and even with a dremmel it´s a nightmare to cut.
That was a forgiving charge pcb. Most laptop battery packs don't seem to be able to learn new cells. (i've tryed a few times). There is a battery gadget that can connect to the battery board for communication and control. But the price is silly.
He was extremely lucky. These infolithium circuits once disconnected from their original cells just refuse to charge. I´ve tried. They won´t charge and the camera won´t take them. This was an extremely lucky case.
I'm like what "Infolithium" who, what. I must be in a time warp and missed this battery design. Sounds like ink cartridges with chips that do not allow them to be refilled once they get low. You proved the pack can be rebuilt and will work.
They are all like that now. Even the camera I use now. Only certain series of batteries will work. Put the wrong battery on and the camera will run for exactly 90 seconds and then off with a message that the battery is the wrong battery.
@@12voltvids Even my 1998 handycam will do that. I have one battery that apparently has a bad infolithium chip in it. Putting it into any of my Sony cameras will trigger a “‘infolithium’ batteries only” message and then the camera shuts off.
Those 18650 cells will most likely have a little controller board under the minus pad. Fortunately.. They work, like They should.. Undervoltage en overvoltage protection and overcurrent protection. Under 3v They cut off by switching a mossfet. I Think, on the bare cell you'll measure something like 2 or 2.5 v. Around 2.5v Its Kinda revivable But can be dangerous (or Fun) Under 2.5 you can Still charge them, But Its even more dangerous.
Just got to the end, it's interesting that the camcorder was giving out the "For InfoLithium only" error and turning off. How does it come to the conclusion that the pack is not InfoLithium? Can the little PCB tell that there's now only two cells when there's supposed to be six?
No not fully charged. Cell imbalance. If i allowed it to fully charge that message will go away. When I fired up the HDRFX1 with one of the other batteries that had been sitting for several years i got the same message. I had to leave it on the charger untill it was full. As you saw on the charger that would take 1 hour. The camera is not smart enough to know this. The battery cells have to be balanced and then the controller on the battery sends the remaining time left to the camera obtained from the current draw of the camera and the cell voltage. Unbalanced cells and it can't figure out the state of change so it sends a message to shut down. After fully changing the other battery the HD camera worked fine for the test shots I did. I would expect the same here but i wasn't planning on leaving this pack in service because I don't need it and I just did a quick job of cell replacement to see if it would recognize and charge which the charger did.
@@12voltvids When I had a bad 2 cell version of this I removed the cells and the camera was still happy (I just put 12v into the output terminals of the pack). The board didn't seem to care that there weren't any cells at all (and IIRC the voltages at the disconnected cell terminals were way off).
I have seen a lot of your videos on different repairs. I was just wondering, would you consider investing on an ESD mat and on an ESD wristband while working with equipment containing microchips and diode like laser pickups?
I took a 30% cut in pay now that good old uncle Sam wants me to pay us taxes in addition to the ones i pay in Canada. A full 50% of my RUclips income goes to the government.
I'm surprised the 18650 cells fit at all. My InfoLithium L batteries are all shorter than 65mm. I presume it's just the largest capacity packs which are longer.
All the L series will be the same size. There are smaller packs. The M and P series for example and now the V series. Interestingly the m and p batteries wi fit on a camera that specifies a v series if you cut a tab that prenevts it from fitting but it won't work on a number of cameras despite the voltage being the same.
@@12voltvids You're right, I was mistaken. The casings are 70mm tall. I guess it's just the cell diameter that's smaller on low-capacity packs like the NP-F330.
Li-ion cells that have dropped below say 2,0 Volt should not be used at all. When they have been discharged so far they could have build internal copper bridges which could make the cells go short circuit when being charged or discharged. That is probably why the battery chip did not allow it to be charged. Also mixing fully charged cells (and cells of different brands/types/age) is asking for the same kind of trouble. Much better to replace all six cells with cells of same brand, type and age, preferably of the same batch.
They were all dead, short internally. All in recycle bin. I just put 2 in for testing. The pack is not being rebuilt. I have 5 others that work and i don't use those old cameras now anyway.
It's crazy that Sony have been using the same battery design since the '90s. I can go buy a brand new Infolithium L pack, stick it in my '99 Hi8 Handycam and it'll work
I picked up some after market batteries for my Digital 8 handycam and they also fit my Mavica digital camera. Works great in both.
Would of been interesting of seeing the cell that was bad - but great as always Dave love your videos - you are a great teacher
They were all bad. None would charge on my external charger.
I am blasting Derek Sherinian - Planet X VERY loudly, and I just started your vid above again for the hell of it. (I saw it earlier today.) So, your voice blasted me, although not unexpectedly. Sounds good. Once again, cool vid!
Great rebuild
Nice project to keep it in mind. Cheers!!
Great video! Can I charge an NP-F750 battery using a 9volt/2amp power source?
Thank You. Useful video.
Great. I have several that are dead. I will give this a try.
No way this split apart so easily!!!!! I tried that and our European versions of these are brutally fused together and you have to use a dremmel and even with a dremmel it´s a nightmare to cut.
How do we send one in cause my Sony DCR-TRV520 doesn’t playback
That was a forgiving charge pcb.
Most laptop battery packs don't seem to be able to learn new cells. (i've tryed a few times).
There is a battery gadget that can connect to the battery board for communication and control.
But the price is silly.
He was extremely lucky. These infolithium circuits once disconnected from their original cells just refuse to charge. I´ve tried. They won´t charge and the camera won´t take them. This was an extremely lucky case.
I like these videos
I'm like what "Infolithium" who, what. I must be in a time warp and missed this battery design. Sounds like ink cartridges with chips that do not allow them to be refilled once they get low. You proved the pack can be rebuilt and will work.
They are all like that now. Even the camera I use now. Only certain series of batteries will work. Put the wrong battery on and the camera will run for exactly 90 seconds and then off with a message that the battery is the wrong battery.
@@12voltvids Even my 1998 handycam will do that. I have one battery that apparently has a bad infolithium chip in it. Putting it into any of my Sony cameras will trigger a “‘infolithium’ batteries only” message and then the camera shuts off.
Cool fix
Those 18650 cells will most likely have a little controller board under the minus pad.
Fortunately.. They work, like They should..
Undervoltage en overvoltage protection and overcurrent protection.
Under 3v They cut off by switching a mossfet.
I Think, on the bare cell you'll measure something like 2 or 2.5 v.
Around 2.5v Its Kinda revivable But can be dangerous (or Fun)
Under 2.5 you can Still charge them, But Its even more dangerous.
Just got to the end, it's interesting that the camcorder was giving out the "For InfoLithium only" error and turning off. How does it come to the conclusion that the pack is not InfoLithium? Can the little PCB tell that there's now only two cells when there's supposed to be six?
No not fully charged. Cell imbalance. If i allowed it to fully charge that message will go away. When I fired up the HDRFX1 with one of the other batteries that had been sitting for several years i got the same message. I had to leave it on the charger untill it was full. As you saw on the charger that would take 1 hour. The camera is not smart enough to know this. The battery cells have to be balanced and then the controller on the battery sends the remaining time left to the camera obtained from the current draw of the camera and the cell voltage. Unbalanced cells and it can't figure out the state of change so it sends a message to shut down. After fully changing the other battery the HD camera worked fine for the test shots I did. I would expect the same here but i wasn't planning on leaving this pack in service because I don't need it and I just did a quick job of cell replacement to see if it would recognize and charge which the charger did.
@@12voltvids When I had a bad 2 cell version of this I removed the cells and the camera was still happy (I just put 12v into the output terminals of the pack). The board didn't seem to care that there weren't any cells at all (and IIRC the voltages at the disconnected cell terminals were way off).
I have seen a lot of your videos on different repairs. I was just wondering, would you consider investing on an ESD mat and on an ESD wristband while working with equipment containing microchips and diode like laser pickups?
Nope. Unnecessary. Have yet to blow things up unless I want to and then i do it with the 4kv death wand.
@@12voltvids Funny
When you going to get a new bench and tools , your the most fun to watch , come o get some nice stuff.
I took a 30% cut in pay now that good old uncle Sam wants me to pay us taxes in addition to the ones i pay in Canada. A full 50% of my RUclips income goes to the government.
@@12voltvidshow does one send stuff to you from the UK .
I got a few bits I think would help the Cause.
@@revamp777 By mail.
(01:43) or as Mike from "mike's electric stuff" always says, "Applied Violence!"
I'm surprised the 18650 cells fit at all. My InfoLithium L batteries are all shorter than 65mm. I presume it's just the largest capacity packs which are longer.
All the L series will be the same size. There are smaller packs. The M and P series for example and now the V series. Interestingly the m and p batteries wi fit on a camera that specifies a v series if you cut a tab that prenevts it from fitting but it won't work on a number of cameras despite the voltage being the same.
@@12voltvids You're right, I was mistaken. The casings are 70mm tall. I guess it's just the cell diameter that's smaller on low-capacity packs like the NP-F330.
@@eDoc2020 14650 likely.
@@12voltvids I checked and yes, they were 14650.
Li-ion cells that have dropped below say 2,0 Volt should not be used at all.
When they have been discharged so far they could have build internal copper bridges which could make the cells go short circuit when being charged or discharged. That is probably why the battery chip did not allow it to be charged.
Also mixing fully charged cells (and cells of different brands/types/age) is asking for the same kind of trouble.
Much better to replace all six cells with cells of same brand, type and age, preferably of the same batch.
They were all dead, short internally. All in recycle bin. I just put 2 in for testing. The pack is not being rebuilt. I have 5 others that work and i don't use those old cameras now anyway.
@@12voltvids ok. Just posted to make viewers aware of li-ion dangers......
The camcorder rejected the battery though, it's a bit of a shame because I hoped I could rebuild infolithium packs this way.
I did this once but it looks like crap
Why do you say "fire hazard"? It seems that your work was as good as the factory... I do not understand it.
I am sure it would have been fine but i don't need it and there is no point of keeping it energized.
Come on guys let's get some new gear his way , tools measuring Equipment , a new Bench !
Infolithium - Sony's Ink Jet Cartridge Scam. stopped buying Sony 20 years ago for this reason.
Hp is infamous for putting chips in their overpriced inkjet cartridges so you have to buy their brand. Scam.
@@nrg16108 I finally bought an Epson scanner since I don't make that many hard copies anymore.