Which do you prefer? Natural or Dark Back... or All Gold? Buy this one here: reverb.com/item/10268594-2009-gibson-les-paul-1957-reissue-r7-gold-top-dark-back
That's one fine looking guitar. I've got a '56r Goldie with P90s & I've always had a hankering for a '57r Goldie with 'buckers, just for the tonal differences (& the fact that I'm a huge Mick Ronson fan). The problem for me is, here in the UK they command a lot of money but if a bargain one ever pops up I'll be interested.
Ok i know its alot to ask but you should put together a buying guide on vintage les pauls that has a year by year on what features and key things to look for to authenticate and check for modifications
The green stuff is called verdigris, it comes from an acidic reaction on copper, brass, and I'm guessing nickel as well. I used find it on World War 2 memorabilia with nickel parts when I was collecting. On guitar pickups it may come from sweat laying on the surfaces.
Seems odd that the same discoloration is absent from the bridge and tailpiece. Every one I've had seems to tarnish equally on all parts. Nice piece regardless, would rock the knobs off that one.
There was some build up on the bridge, but it cleaned off. That's why I thought the covers might have been 'enhanced' a bit. Despite trying to clean them, they wouldn't.
Probably due to the pickups not being wiped off with the hands, whereas with the bridge palm muting would wipe away any sweat that had been sitting to replace it with fresh sweat and wiping away corrosion before it had a chance to permeate. It could also be possible that the Pickup covers were swapped from a previous LP that the prior owner had that was damaged to the point of needing replacement.
I think the aging on the pickups are "fake", or factory made. I bought a 57 Reissue from 2008 that have been unplayed for 10 years and remains all that time in it's case and have exactly the same aging on the pickups and tailpiece as this one.
I'm not a big fan of dark backs but I love Goldtops,my 60 reissue is my #1.as for the aging mine is 22 years old and the hardware looks pretty similar.
I've got a 2001 R7 Dark Back and had it from new, unaged. The green corrosion is around the edges of the pickups, looks genuine age to me matey, judging by mine
i've been a haters because of bad playing with high end guitars but actually it's a really good channel to learn about history about collectible guitars
Thanks for sticking around! Just curious, do you think the new demonstrator on the channel makes it more enjoyable to watch? How can I make the playing segment better for you?
yeah it's better for sure take exemple on danish pete on andertons TV through the time maybe you could use more "pro" equipement with a dedicated room/studio to make the video
@@Trog Hey, Trog...Your playing is great, as long as you keep playing like you do which is move up n down the neck with chords and a little shredding. That's all I need to hear the tone of the axe. In other words, I don't need someone showing off & shredding a 100mph...
I also have a 2009 r7 dark back with a very fat neck. The finish on the pickup covers is also VOS and looks also worn. They are made this way. Also the back covers are in brown like yours.
@@quigglesb9381 LOL... approximately. The only other neck that fat in my stable is my Fender EOB Strat. Wonderful neck. My new PRS Zack Myer 'pseudo LP' has a medium chunky neck, maybe close to 0.90. Great axe for only approx $650.
I had some Seymour Duncan Antiquity humbuckers which had that kind of greenish finish, and it got way worse within the 6-12 months I kept the guitar. I was able to wipe the residue off like that by the time I got rid of it.
I'm a little confused about pickups on the R7 I thought they were custom shop humbuckers close to the spec of a 57 classic pickup I do think that the tall plastic pickup rings mellow out the sound a little If they are burstbucker 1&2 pickups I hated the sound on the 50's standard les paul but love the sound on an R7 what's the difference?
I prefer natural. I just bought the 2018 Les Paul Classic GT w/Bigsby Vibromate from Guitar Center & love it. It's an exclusive for GC & Musicians Friend. Wish Reverb had better payment plans. I'd love to buy from you....My question is about the Gibson logo on these '57 reissues. Aren't they supposed to NOT have the dot above the 'i' in Gibson on the headstock? I'm understanding that the dot wasn't added until after '69...Thanks, Trog!...
I'm in the process of trying to make some new ones. I made a few for myself, but I didn't think the design was really marketable. I'm hoping to launch an apparel line up soon - just need to design a nice looking one!
You learn a lot about these guitars when you get to actually experience them first hand. A good amount of info can be read up on online - but when you REALLY learn is when you see and experience it all first hand.
Some mornings You Tube can be pleasant, like this morning. What do I see in my suggested video's section? Why it's a video from the Trogly man himself that is about a year old! I'm not much into the gold top's, I would like to own one someday but it's the color that I really don't much like. The only reason they used gold was because it showed up better on the black and white television shows of the day. I don't really care for anything gold in color, Gold metallic is kind of cool though lol. I'm like you Austin, I prefer the dark transparent backs, they just seem to look I guess a little classier? One thing about a Les Paul is that it cannot look cheap, if you find one that does, well... you feel kind of ripped off. I mean, put the cheap paint job on actual cheap guitars, but when you are dealing with a $2,000+ guitar, you better not go cheap on it! I guess that is why I much prefer the face of a Les Paul to have transparent paint/stain where the wood is easily visible underneath and not just some solid red or blue paint. Black and white are about the only "acceptable" solid colors for me unless it is has sparkles or some other affect in the paint.
What a horrible mistake and lapse of judgement that was! That was the goldtop he used all through the original Allman Brothers days with Duane Allman, including the Fillmore album! I think he gave that guitar to Dan Toler.
That is a good question as those two are about in the same price range. I like customs for their look - but personally, I've always liked the feel of a 'standard' better. It all falls down to personal preference to specs though.
This is factory aging. It was a series called VOS that Gibson was doing in the late 2000’s starting in 2006 I believe with there historic custom shop guitars.
I had a 57 dark back that was under a guys bed in Chicago. Mine was in perfect condition as well as the case and beginner book. These don't have a maple top.
I like big necks and I can not lie, all you other brothers can't deny, when an axe comes in with an Itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face you get sprung! -Sir Jam's A-Lot
To me they are all players, makes me a little crazy ✌️🤪🎸🎵🎶🎵🎶when cars and guitars aren’t used. I understand that as far as collecting goes, but it still makes me crazy!✌️🤪🎸
Dark back is usually an indication that the guitar does not have a maple cap. These all mahogany '57 and '58 Les Pauls are less desirable than the maple capped ones, which are basically the same as a '58 burst except for the finish. The lack of a maple cap makes the guitar sound less bright.
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Which do you prefer? Natural or Dark Back... or All Gold?
Buy this one here: reverb.com/item/10268594-2009-gibson-les-paul-1957-reissue-r7-gold-top-dark-back
i like the black back more!!
The Trogly's Guitar Show
1. Dark back- Contrast and you can see wood grain
2. All Gold- Glam Machine
3. Natural- Wood grain!
All Gold body with Dark back neck and Dark back with Gold neck would all be awesome, too❗️
The Trogly's Guitar Show 0:38 nice glasses dude
Are you selling this 57 Reissue? If so, how much do you want for that reissue?
I prefer a dark back to the red stain or light brown back. Don't like black back at all, I like some wood grain to show through.
That's one fine looking guitar. I've got a '56r Goldie with P90s & I've always had a hankering for a '57r Goldie with 'buckers, just for the tonal differences (& the fact that I'm a huge Mick Ronson fan). The problem for me is, here in the UK they command a lot of money but if a bargain one ever pops up I'll be interested.
Ok i know its alot to ask but you should put together a buying guide on vintage les pauls that has a year by year on what features and key things to look for to authenticate and check for modifications
Sounds like an eBook that needs to be written haha. I couldn't do it for the 50s models without lots of research, but mid 70s - 80s, I probably could
The Trogly's Guitar Show even that would be amazing! Your videos are a gold mine for information for someone just entering the vintage guitar market!
The green stuff is called verdigris, it comes from an acidic reaction on copper, brass, and I'm guessing nickel as well. I used find it on World War 2 memorabilia with nickel parts when I was collecting. On guitar pickups it may come from sweat laying on the surfaces.
Thanks for the info! It's not the first time I've wiped green off a guitar part haha
Seems odd that the same discoloration is absent from the bridge and tailpiece. Every one I've had seems to tarnish equally on all parts.
Nice piece regardless, would rock the knobs off that one.
There was some build up on the bridge, but it cleaned off. That's why I thought the covers might have been 'enhanced' a bit. Despite trying to clean them, they wouldn't.
Probably due to the pickups not being wiped off with the hands, whereas with the bridge palm muting would wipe away any sweat that had been sitting to replace it with fresh sweat and wiping away corrosion before it had a chance to permeate. It could also be possible that the Pickup covers were swapped from a previous LP that the prior owner had that was damaged to the point of needing replacement.
It seems like a '57 reissue should have '57 classic pups in it . :-) I'd love to own it !
I think the aging on the pickups are "fake", or factory made. I bought a 57 Reissue from 2008 that have been unplayed for 10 years and remains all that time in it's case and have exactly the same aging on the pickups and tailpiece as this one.
No Kidding?
I'm not a big fan of dark backs but I love Goldtops,my 60 reissue is my #1.as for the aging mine is 22 years old and the hardware looks pretty similar.
Now that is a gold top what a pretty LP classic.
I've got a 2001 R7 Dark Back and had it from new, unaged. The green corrosion is around the edges of the pickups, looks genuine age to me matey, judging by mine
i've been a haters because of bad playing with high end guitars but actually it's a really good channel to learn about history about collectible guitars
Thanks for sticking around! Just curious, do you think the new demonstrator on the channel makes it more enjoyable to watch? How can I make the playing segment better for you?
yeah it's better for sure
take exemple on danish pete on andertons TV
through the time maybe you could use more "pro" equipement with a dedicated room/studio to make the video
@@Trog Hey, Trog...Your playing is great, as long as you keep playing like you do which is move up n down the neck with chords and a little shredding. That's all I need to hear the tone of the axe. In other words, I don't need someone showing off & shredding a 100mph...
I also have a 2009 r7 dark back with a very fat neck. The finish on the pickup covers is also VOS and looks also worn. They are made this way. Also the back covers are in brown like yours.
I like big necks and I can not lie
Me too. My R8 has a 0.94 neck and it is sooooo badass. I get thumb muscle fatigue with a shredder skinny neck. Hate 'em.
@@quigglesb9381 LOL... approximately. The only other neck that fat in my stable is my Fender EOB Strat. Wonderful neck. My new PRS Zack Myer 'pseudo LP' has a medium chunky neck, maybe close to 0.90. Great axe for only approx $650.
I have an Epiphone Goldtop '56 Reissue from 2009.. It sounds good. Plays good.
Very cool. Enjoy it!
I miss the pink couch.
Sweet guitar, would rock.
I've never really liked gold tops, but I'd rock this one. I like the dark back.
I had some Seymour Duncan Antiquity humbuckers which had that kind of greenish finish, and it got way worse within the 6-12 months I kept the guitar. I was able to wipe the residue off like that by the time I got rid of it.
I have a BURST BACK... can you do a video on these too? Thanks for all ya content!
I'm a little confused about pickups on the R7 I thought they were custom shop humbuckers close to the spec of a 57 classic pickup I do think that the tall plastic pickup rings mellow out the sound a little If they are burstbucker 1&2 pickups I hated the sound on the 50's standard les paul but love the sound on an R7 what's the difference?
I prefer natural. I just bought the 2018 Les Paul Classic GT w/Bigsby Vibromate from Guitar Center & love it. It's an exclusive for GC & Musicians Friend. Wish Reverb had better payment plans. I'd love to buy from you....My question is about the Gibson logo on these '57 reissues. Aren't they supposed to NOT have the dot above the 'i' in Gibson on the headstock? I'm understanding that the dot wasn't added until after '69...Thanks, Trog!...
Great video. I’d like to get one of these but they’re definitely not under $3000 now.
100% the best guitar channel on RUclips! I’m a Troglodite for life!
Damn guitar sound is really good
Any thoughts on selling Trogley's T-Shirts??? I love your channel and would wear it proudly.
I'm in the process of trying to make some new ones. I made a few for myself, but I didn't think the design was really marketable. I'm hoping to launch an apparel line up soon - just need to design a nice looking one!
wow is there any taper at all in that neck?
How thick is the neck? I want to compare to my '92 Studio, but can't find reference anywhere.
How the hell do you know all this Les Paul stuff? Impressive.
You learn a lot about these guitars when you get to actually experience them first hand. A good amount of info can be read up on online - but when you REALLY learn is when you see and experience it all first hand.
I have one I know nothing about nothing wrong with it I don’t know the year but it has a dark red back
I think that's natural aging, it could be oxidation from being played. I'm not an expert but that's what I think.
It's not the first time I've scrubbed off green from a guitar haha
Some mornings You Tube can be pleasant, like this morning. What do I see in my suggested video's section? Why it's a video from the Trogly man himself that is about a year old!
I'm not much into the gold top's, I would like to own one someday but it's the color that I really don't much like. The only reason they used gold was because it showed up better on the black and white television shows of the day. I don't really care for anything gold in color, Gold metallic is kind of cool though lol.
I'm like you Austin, I prefer the dark transparent backs, they just seem to look I guess a little classier? One thing about a Les Paul is that it cannot look cheap, if you find one that does, well... you feel kind of ripped off. I mean, put the cheap paint job on actual cheap guitars, but when you are dealing with a $2,000+ guitar, you better not go cheap on it! I guess that is why I much prefer the face of a Les Paul to have transparent paint/stain where the wood is easily visible underneath and not just some solid red or blue paint. Black and white are about the only "acceptable" solid colors for me unless it is has sparkles or some other affect in the paint.
That's all well and good, but does it have any cracks or repairs?
Pretty sure he covers that, but you have to watch the video and pay attention. Take notes if you have to.
I would guess Simple Green was used to dull the finish on the pickups.
And I kinda like the dark back better
Cross agreed, contrasts the gold top more
You could always do what Dickey Betts of the Allman Brothers Band did to his original 57 Goldtop.......sand it down and refinish it in red.
It makes me cringe just thinking about that... Different times I suppose
Jake Rose I fully agree.
Hey, Freddie....Isn't that how Dickey got his nickname 'Red'?
What a horrible mistake and lapse of judgement that was! That was the goldtop he used all through the original Allman Brothers days with Duane Allman, including the Fillmore album! I think he gave that guitar to Dan Toler.
thought it said "dark black"
Trogly, one or these or a LP custom?
That is a good question as those two are about in the same price range. I like customs for their look - but personally, I've always liked the feel of a 'standard' better. It all falls down to personal preference to specs though.
Very lovely guitar! ;)
If you pause at 0:38, you can almost see the Trogly's never shown face :D
Thou art crazed, or you've not seen many of the shows.
Meh
👍
This is factory aging. It was a series called VOS that Gibson was doing in the late 2000’s starting in 2006 I believe with there historic custom shop guitars.
I like natural back
I had a 57 dark back that was under a guys bed in Chicago. Mine was in perfect condition as well as the case and beginner book. These don't have a maple top.
I like big necks and I can not lie, all you other brothers can't deny, when an axe comes in with an Itty bitty waist and a round thing in your face you get sprung!
-Sir Jam's A-Lot
You sound like carl brown from guitarlessons365
Morgan Davies haha, yeah he does sometimes
It must be nice to swap multi thousand dollar guitars like changing socks everyday... I like the info on everything but damn...
Under 3k? My R8 was 5k plus tax.
Michael Zschoche Was thinking the same here... my R7 from 2009 did cost quit a bit more
Nickle Cover Pick ups..no clear coat..they tarnish..guess you never had to polish moms silverware"
I love my R7 fat neck
Gibsons just has class,they know how to color cornate and make eye candy.
Not keen on gold tops!
To me they are all players, makes me a little crazy ✌️🤪🎸🎵🎶🎵🎶when cars and guitars aren’t used. I understand that as far as collecting goes, but it still makes me crazy!✌️🤪🎸
Always identify your guest guitar players, please.
It's got that little ding! I'll give you $200 cash right now bro! I got the money!
Why don’t you play the guitar on demos?
I do. Right after the history/story segment 6:55
A dark back is the opposite of a butterface.
Fun drinking game
Have a shot every time he says "dark back"
Fuck off morty
Dark back is usually an indication that the guitar does not have a maple cap. These all mahogany '57 and '58 Les Pauls are less desirable than the maple capped ones, which are basically the same as a '58 burst except for the finish. The lack of a maple cap makes the guitar sound less bright.
All r7’s have a maple cap
Sounds terrible on overdrive.
Lol only Gibson can reissue their own guitar and reissue it with the wrong specs in comparison to the originals lol
Arrrrgh! It's ANYWAY.....not.... ANYWAYS! ANY IS ALREADY PLURAL!
Well that’s Gibson have you tried a real 57 probably not so you’ll never know what is accurate. Just got to go on Gibson’s word