Funny you should mention that. In the UK the last coal power station is being shutdown on the 30th September. Apparently we are one of the first countries to do this. Luckily we have our generous neighbours in Europe who often sell us their spare power, this will I’m sure change as more renewable energy is switched on.
@@ziploc2000 But Coal goes through Oregon from Wyoming on its way to China, True??? China buys it dirt Cheap, I cant see why Wyoming doesn't keep the coal and put it on the grid in Wyoming, if your going to burn it use it yourself, why sell it to China on the Cheap and spend needless energy sending there making even more pollution.
Having hired one for a trip it was a nightmare , the recharging apps don't work(upgrade your phone to the latest) you will need an adapter kit for some sites, be prepared to wait they are always occupied when you find one. EVs are only good for short journeys where you charge at home and they are fine.
Who the hell wants to sit in services waiting an age to charge wer going backwards with Ev at the moment I still think life span on them is crap good work baz
Mate I charge at home if I go on holiday I will pull in services for a break always have long before ev,s now I pull in services plug the car in me and the kids go get a bite to eat and a drink 20 minutes later the car is fully charged and we are on our way!!!! What are you talking about an age to charge?
It's human psychology, Barrie, people don't like to admit they've been wrong. People with this mind-set will never accept facts and learn from a wrong decision. I'd not waste my time trying to convince them, just state the facts, tell them where to find the information, and end the conversation.
@@oneeyedgirl617 And what facts do you know about physics or electrical engineering? Do you know that fast charging batteries is inefficient and damages the batteries? Are you aware of the chain of conversion losses for EVs? Are you aware that to buy a more expensive EV eats up lots of energy, to earn that money?
@@oneeyedgirl617 Isn't the leaf a logical upgrade to a Micra? So you give me the sum of £8k lost (are you a car trader too?), what's that, pocket change? I used to be able to buy a new small car for that, in 2017.
There is a certain type of EV owner that think they know more than anyone else. In fact they have spent over the odds on an EV that does a fraction of the range that's claimed, are losing great chunks of cash on depreciation and so feel the need to justify their choice by exagerated claims and attacks on petrol/diesel drivers. The hard core don't seem to realise most EV's are built in China in factories powered by coal fired powerstations, and then shipped around the globe on extremely high polluting bunker oil powered cargo ships.....and then claim petrol/diesel owners are killing the planet!!!!
Reality is reality . BEVs do not suit everyone . The statement made that human nature is not to admit to making a mistake and exaggerating the benefits of this technology . Long term these vehicles are an environmental disaster .@@FFVoyager
@@FFVoyager according to you I was a Dim Tedious old duffer yesterday, so is todays “tedious dullard” an improvement, I'm growing on you aren't i? if not I just wonder why you watch all my videos 😂
@@FFVoyager What exactly do you know about EVs? According to your channel content, you ride a bicycle. Very badly in my opinion. You clearly don't own an EV, so why are you so butt hurt?
Generally accepted that CO2 debt is paid back within the first 15000 miles or 2 years of ownership on a new EV. Any second hand one will have no debt. And there are no ICE cars that ever payback their CO2 debt, they just keep digging until they expire.
@boblomax4371 that is not generally accepted, and 80% of the EV’s for sale on Autotrader have not paid back their debt, they have actually polluted the air, it’s a joke, an argument to make more EVs, made by producing more EV’s 😂
@@boblomax4371 And there are no ICE cars that ever payback their CO2 debt, they just keep digging until they expire.......same argument applies to YOU and the rest of the humans walking on earth !
I do'nt know of anyone yet who bought an ev,then later bought another one.Ok to run a lease one,especially if thats the only choice you get from your company. When they get much cheaper(maybe with the salt battery) and become more convenient than an ice car,they will be worth it.They will never be better for long journeys without an overnight stop.
This will upset some people. Today heard Trump saying he would stop the ban on ICE cars. He did not disparage EV's. He actually explained the technology in EV's are superior and EV's good for those that they are suitable for and if people want them but not suitable for all everyone and every use.. Give people the choice, If EV's are that much better they will create their own market and sell. The fact that EV's are not selling tells it's own story. Facts speak louder than words.
Nicely done Barrie, your making total sense to me, I think some of these know all's are just a wind up, anything to get some attention they so desperately desire, When a decent guy like yourself sees lies its hard to let them go, you just cant help yourself, its just the way you were made.
Barry, you seem to have gone through the same process as me on EV's. When I bought mine new in 2016, I thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. I heard the doubters, which there were few then, because it was a new technology and knowledge, even amongst the dealers was not there. I was invited to a Nissan customer discussion group and eulogised about my new EV to the marketing team and they were so impressed with me and my enthusiasm for EV's, that i was invited by top management to the Sunderland factory. They even made a personal presentation, just for me and then took me around the factory. Not only that, I was also invited around the battery plant, being the largest clean room battery manufacturing facility in Europe at that time and i was the first person from the general public ever shown around the battery facility. Of course, I was very flattered. I went home and time went by and as we used the car, logistical problem after problem emerged. We haven't used the car that much, slightly more than 40k miles now and we have had it 8 3/4 years. The battery has degraded by 42% and lost 5 battery bars after being well looked after. This changed my mind markedly about EV's as the battery degraded and seeing the second hand values collapse convinced me that the general public thought the same way. I have two other cars, a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel and a 20 year old Mazda MX5. Both cars have the ranges they were bought with ( the Mercedes 650 miles brimmed at highway speeds ) and both work perfectly well. The 30 kwhr leaf still works o.k. as well but for how much longer. EV total perception comes with time from being an early adopter and now my view is that I would never buy another one, apart from if it was a second car, specifically bought as a local runabout, fed from octopus go cheap electricity but then again, why, after second hand price depreciation any EV would saved me nothing, so no, I wouldn't buy any EV, ever again.
Sorry to hear about your car, we also have a Nissan LEAF. It’s 10 years old and we bought it second hand 9 years ago. It’s done 95K miles and the battery health has 11 bars. It’s still on the original brake discs and pads. I have it inspected by a Nissan main dealer every year and they said the front pads were approximately 50% warn. In total I have had to buy 10 new tyres. Up until three months ago it was our main car. This year we had a vehicle to home bi-directional charger installed and use the LEAF as a home battery most of the time. I charge the car with cheap rate electricity at night and the house runs off the car traction battery almost all the time now. PS my Dad can’t stand electric cars and refuses to be driven in it.
@nick52525 Your battery is still degrading but more slowly, my leaf was a 30 kwhr, they are the worst evidently. Like I said, my MX5 is 20 years old. I used to own a 1977 Chartreuse MGB Roadster, decades ago, then i sold it. If you look up the registration RVN564R, it is still on the road 47 years after manufacture. None of the EV's on the road will do that, purely because it comes to the point, when the most expensive component, the battery needs changing and it is just not economically viable, like repairing an engine is. Even more so with second hand values making the cars worthless, in their later lives.
Your battery is still degrading but more slowly, my leaf was a 30 kwhr, they are the worst evidently. Like I said, my MX5 is 20 years old. I used to own a 1977 Chartreuse MGB Roadster, decades ago, then i sold it. If you look up the registration RVN564R, it is still on the road 47 years after manufacture. None of the EV's on the road will do that, purely because it comes to the point, when the most expensive component, the battery needs changing and it is just not economically viable, like repairing an engine is. Even more so with second hand values making the cars worthless, in their later lives.
Just come across your channel Barrie . I’m 57 and been in the trade since school (on the spanner’s) . It’s a breath of fresh air to hear someone saying stuff I’ve been thinking for ages about this subject. Keep it up 👍
Used car prices of 2021 were nuts. I have a Mini electric, dealers were offering trade-ins after 1 year because used values were like 90% or more. EV newbies got sucked in and a year later found it didn’t work for them, they discovered used values had collapsed in a big way and were paying big sums of negative equity to get out of the car.
I think with any consumer goods convenience wins the day, and that covers a whole series of factors, reliability, easy operation, long life etc, so brushes were replaced with vacuums, dolly tubs were replaced by automatic washing machines, tin baths were replaced by fitted bathrooms, and the same with cars which replaced horse and carts, for me the ICE provides the most uncompromised solution, easy to own, good range, quick to fill up, and last a long time, a bit of a no brainer. I do accept for people only doing very short journeys and able to charge at home EVs can make sense
I've had numerous conversations on this subject. I bought 1998 Nissan Micra k11 in 2005 for £450 it's still in daily use never failed a MOT in my ownership and apart from tires brakes regular oil changes still going strong I fill up twice a month around £70 insurance with NFU £145 fully comp tires cost me £28 each (new) and I bought 1 battery five years ago for £22. Sure it has absolutely no street cred but it does it's job more than adequately and there's not a panel that doesn't have a ding but it's not rotten never been welded. As much as I look in envy at those shiny new cars I can't help but wonder if they will still be going in 25 years from now, I think my old Micra has long paid back any damage it caused and continues to make. I've never bothered to add up what the cost of ownership maintenance wise has been since I bought it but I guess if I said £100 a year including the test fee I'd be very close.
Thank you for this calm, informed video - not too many of these about! Here's my 3-pennyworth. Apart from an ICE oldie, I own an MG5 EV Estate, 2nd generation. It's coming up to 18 months old. Various important bits have failed and have been replaced under warranty. It's resale value using a combination of national and a local dealers is an average of £13.5 k against the not cheap purchase price of £34k - excessive depreciation. Home charging is good value: public charging especially at high speed is now too pricey - partly a consequence of the energy crisis but this also includes full VAT. Finding working chargers on long national journeys wastes time, makes me drink too much coffee and the charge takes too long. The achievable range of EVs is misrepresented for summer and winter conditions, always to the disadvantage of the driver. (In the Latest What Car YT video comparing 12 EVs including mid-priced and silly expensive, none met their manufacturer's stated range, under performing by 12% to 16%. in Summer conditions. Deduct another 20% for cold winter running). The mystery/lottery of the SOC of the battery as the months pass is an added concern. Meanwhile, various EV pundits continue to push the latest EV, many of which across a range of makers, are launched with software and hardware faults which owners are left to resolve. eg Volvo MX 30. My MG dealer even had the cheek to repeatedly phone me to persuade me to buy an MX 30, despite the total impossibility of getting a test drive. He's just been deleted from my Xmas list... If you are still reading, thanks. The above EV profile means the MG5 is confined largely to local routes. Driving a mixed economy of ICE and EV seems inevitable. But now we know what we know, their is little reason to purchase any new EV. Save the planet by driving a pre-owned hybrid with a decent portion of battery range. Leasing? I've never found a deal which is in the driver's favour. Thanks.
thank you for that, I'm afraid the depreciation is eye watering I'm sorry about that, but of course it can only drop so far then they become great value
Barrie, as a die hard motor guy… *I beg you.* Please go to your nearest Tesla dealer and drive a Model 3 Performance or a model 3 LR. Come back here and tell us what you think.
Time will tell no doubt. I agree with you I never believed the ev hype. The company I work for cleared out all the ev vans for diesel vans “To get us to 2030 or we won’t survive” all very interesting . 😊
The EV is what the internal Combustion engine would have replaced if the development was in the reverse order. ICE is superior, end of. Thats not to say that EVs are completely useless, there are uses for them.
No, electric cars were seen as only suitable for women as they were clean, quiet & easy to drive. The ice cars were considered to be more difficult to drive & as such, more manly.
@@LastOnSunday i drove an battery powered milk float 30 years ago. after that drove electric fork lifts, werent no females doing those jobs back in the day
EVs were attacked by the oil industry back then, and JPM metering electricity and creating an energy monopoly. But those EVs are IMO technologically superior to todays.
own a 24 kwh leaf paid 9000 pounds for it 4000 miles on the clock 2015 plate .purchased in 2019 now 84000 miles 4 head lamp bulbs two bottom ball joints drivers side 11 bars on the battery eats tyres put on the heater in the winter it burns thru the range costs 49 p per kilowatt to charge at podpoint 64 mile range so it costs 12 pounds to charge .i could get a xe diesel jagaur 2 litre be warmer wouldnt have to leave the car for hours to charge and would save money on fuel i can see diesel petrol cars commanding premium prices in a few years
The “carbon debt” figures quoted for EVs , conveniently never take into account end of life recycling of the battery. On a different topic , Quentin wilson isn’t a guy I’d trust, he was once convicted of clocking cars (Google for clarification), he’s not a trustworthy source of information.
well it would be end of battery life cycle but also the end of lif eof the ice car it replaces. wheres the 100s of million car graveyard gonna be? so much for recycling eh
The “carbon debt” figures also ignore the journeys to work to earn the extra money to buy them. From an £8k car to a £45k car - just to buy, is a LOT of carbon.
A Leaf is far bigger than a Micra. Supposed to be an expert and couldn't find a comparable vehicle. Also who on earth buys using list price? Silly video.
Barrie, After a lifetime of hard work you have done your duty to the car trade you can retire with honour. You need to let the young guys take the reins. It's their problem now. If you carry on too long they will just see you as the problem! Keep making interesting videos!
@@PazLeBon The 1800s EVs were also very useful. Today those would also be welcome. But being made to buy super expensive, non repairable batteries on wheels, is crazy.
@@PazLeBon I think the mas on ic erasure of the Tar tar tech has been successful in deleting a lot of good ideas. We go backwards, in ancient egyptian times, carving pots with handles from granite was routine. Today... it's almost possible :)
Would a family buy an MX5 to fit their needs? Would a company director use a Hyundai i10 as a company car? No? Why is it so difficult to understand that an EV is not always the right choice for all people, all of the time? Just as one type of ice car can't fulfill all things for everyone.
ii own 2 cars. one mx5 for without passengers and a bmw 3 series for when i have passengers. driving a 5 seater on my own just feels wrong yet folk do it with 7 seats :)
So your argument is that an EV in any shape or form isn’t suitable for everyone 😂 trust me my Range Rover Sport does absolutely everything I want it to,
5 years ago i bought my bmw for 2k and have done 30k miles in it, with taxes and inspections and repairs etc that's well under 10k and i hope to another 30k in the next 5 years, so another 8k. thats 18k for ten years including all cost and fuel., the same price as the cheapest e..v off the forecourt. the carbon footprint from the fuel is less that the carbon footprint from the manufacture of the new e.v . Real life facts. governments have failed to control the direction that tech companies see the cash trail. all this investment should have gone into bio fuels which do exist and upcycling the billion engines that exist in all sorts of machines
Hi Barrie, thanks for the video. I am looking to replace my 2010 Nissan Pixo. It is a very good car for a single person but I have a family now and the space is not enough. My budget is around 8k. I am looking into 2017 ford focus (just to avoid more road tax) and sub 3 to 4 year old used electric cars. But I just learnt that electric cars also need to pay road tax from next year. I am kind of confused. I also have range anxiety with electric cars. Though most of my journies per day is not more than 25 miles, I do some road trips once in a while. Is it worth getting a 3 or 4 yo used EV and pay road tax from next year or get a good used ford focus from 2017 and pay less road tax? I am a bit confused and your suggestion will greatly help. Thanks!
I just wonder who funds the fully charged show. It's not a show, it's like a one of those American TV channels for selling stuff, only positive after positive. I think the hay day of motoring was when there was hundreds of manufacturers making lots of interesting stuff pre war.
Are we talking about Mark Tebbutt, (posted before I saw the tweet feed)I think he's called? I was blocked by EV fudbuster yesterday for retweeting Geoff buys cars. 😂
I had three Nissan Leafs from 2014 to 2023, two on contract hire, the third owned and it was such cheap motoring. The first two cost ~£200 per month to hire, cost nothing to run and the one bought cost £10k and we got £6k for it when we sold it after 4 years a year ago. They worked really well fo us. I feel sorry for the guy who bought ours from us, he's perhaps lost as much in a year in a depreciation as we did in 4. What we're seeing at the moment with depreciation is unusual, it's as unusual as the spell through Covid where EVs didn't depreciate at all. It'll all sort itself out in the end. Personally speaking I won't be going back to fossil fuels in a hurry, but each to their own.
A lot of what you are saying is based on list prices, but they are largely irrelevant with EVs because most of the legacy manufacturers set them unrealistically high, so then had to discount heavily. Also relatively few private buyers buy new EVs (or ICE cars), preferring to buy used where the market is more sensible and EVs are on a par with similar spec ICE cars and much cheaper to run. So yes, if you want to use a privately bought (list price) EV as an example you may be able to make it look like it works out more expensive but it doesn't mean much in the real world.
@@BarrieCrampton Well they don't sell Nissan Micras anymore so the equivalent today would have to be a Nissan Juke. You can buy a new Leaf or a Juke for under £17k, so good luck with working out how that could make the Leaf appear cost more.
HI barrie can,t understand why we arn,t push more on BIO FUELS recycling plastic vegtable waist etc , 2 weeks ago the Goodwood revival meeting cars taking part had to run Bio fuel cobras ferrari,s jaguars etc worth millions if its good enough for them it can be used on to days cars ? !!!
What is offer missing in these figures is the distance away from the manufacturing of the vehicles to the customer for example Kia and Hyundai are made Korea they are approximately 6,000 nautical miles away and they traveled to the UK via car carrying Transporter ships powered by diesel they use approximately 24,000 litres of diesel per day and they take six months to get to the UK how is this worked out in the environmental friendly perspective
I find this channel interesting. Although a Brit, I follow American politics closely. Reading comments on here, and other similar channels, reminds me of the Republican party vs the Democrats. It is a place for partisans, an echo chamber for those who do not like Electric Vehicles, but love ICE vehicles. Personally, I have no particular view either way. Take away the car trade from the discussion - then in my opinion, it is clear that we have to find an alternative solution to ICE vehicles, for the sake of the world we inhabit. The evidence Barrie presents is exactly that. It presents reasons and challenge to the exact same type of evidence being presented by all the "Barries" who support EVs. This channel then becomes click bait for those who simply don't "like" EVs, and nothing will change their view. Having Barrie as the spokesperson gives licence to it. Not all EVs are or will be "bad" (again, not talking about the impact on the motor trade). And as a technology, they are evolving. Trying to continuously see justification as to why they shouldn't exist? I don't understand that. A big problem today is that we don't listen or try to understand what either side of an opinion is saying. Instead we hunker down to a point where the sheer embarrassment of accepting data from "the other side" is unacceptable, be that for or against either EV or ICE. It is clear that examples, driven by data, are all around that disprove, cast doubt etc. on the claims or reasoning being presented by EV manufacturers and supporters. It feels like Brexit all over again, but let's not go there. But let's understand that the people now manufacturing EVs were once public lovers of ICE vehicles for decades, and have made choices to advance the world in a quite radical way for multiple reasons. It's not just about "saving the planet". Right now the arguments rage about coal providing the electricity, battery life/disposal, depreciation of the value, world Government agendas etc. But an alternative to ICE is needed, so if not an electric (or hydrogen?) solution, what else is there right now? In my family, my wife has a Toyota Yaris Hybrid, which is brilliant, and we use that for the run around. I am a musician, and carry a lot of gear, so I have (now my 2nd) Ford S-Max 2.0 ltr Diesel now on 103k. I LOVE that car. My eldest son bought a Tesla last year. So I have experience of different cars. The Tesla is a great car. I am no "petrol head" and my cars have always been a means to get around, nothing more. And I keep them for on average 10 years. I have driven his Tesla, and I really enjoyed it. He commutes an hour in it regularly, doesn't have a home charger because of where he lives (city centre flat) and has worked charging it into his "life" schedule. Would I buy an EV myself? When the day comes and I don't need a big car, I would probably go for a hybrid, which I think are the better option right now. Being older now, it reminds me of when synths stormed into the making of music. Outrage - traditional guitar based music enthusiasts were horrified. Move that onto auto tune, laptop Digital Audio Workstation software and "bedroom producers" using virtual instruments to produce music, live playback, amp modelling instead of cabs on stage ("reduces the live experience of the listener!!") and so on... Along the way, it was the public who chose what they wanted from what was on offer, they didn't care about who was making what using what, and why opinion said one thing was "better" than the other. Not sure why I decided to write all this today. Anyway, everyone stay safe, and have a great weekend.
not even that complicated. theres a billion ice engines, not just in cars, in lawn mowers, tractors, generatos, everything. the blatant answer is to use clean fuel in them
RobWaklin, I thought I could talk lol but you make some valid points, Its very much like American politics but that hate took decades to build, the push by EV lovers seems over night although its taken a few years. The fact that the UK Govt are pushing car makers to make drastic decisions and poor decisions at that seems like suicide to me, How many more car building jobs can the UK afford to lose, who is pulling the strings, is it China that has to win this game. Europe has backed off, I have to question that too, maybe the UK is the guinea pig. If car makers crash the prices of cars and repairing them will be so expensive, it really could make Brexit look like a kids party.
There’s another thing to consider I recently brought a Hyundai kona ev very cheap at £7500 for a 2021 I quickly got shot as insurance was ridiculous at £2700 my current 2l diesel insignia was£370 the same kona but petrol was £670 so extra £2k for ev why and how.
I am fairly pro EV, but even more pro my needs which means I'm changing my leased EV back to diesel in 15 months at end of lease. Probably used this time and back to a Skoda Octavia. Long runs in the EV are a pain for us with public charging (Ireland) and and then the cost of public charging putting the cost and journey time of the run considerably above the that of LPG using wife's (petrol also a little cheaper) Bi fuel Dacia. However on local runs or road trips within range of home charger the EV wins hands down over the LPG or petrol. Which means we're also considering changing the Bi fuel Dacia to a cheaper EV, (probably lease a Dacia spring) as that combination is a winner for us.
there really is only one pro tho and that conscience of trying to do the right thing. but when that is proven to be a falsehood then there needs to be another pro choice.. i.e clean bio fuels for our existing engines
@@PazLeBon I'd be happy with that. My wife says doesn't want an EV, wants to keep her bi fuel Dacia Sandero longer term, it is brilliant little car. I'm aiming now for a bigger Dacia Duster, also with LPG until next change when will see if and how the fuels are changing as I do not want an EV for the road trips. Nice drive but shockingly poor charging facilities plus substantial cold weather and motorway range drop.
I have a diesel but the facts are simple. COMBUSTION in all areas not just transport will end in the next 20yrs like it or not. Yes it will be strange and there will be small issues like cars right now but trust me it will and is happening
On social media platforms folks behaviour towards each other appears to sink into the toilet with comments flying around that you wouldn't generally use face to face else expect a smack in the gob🤣 I personally try to avoid stuff like 'X' and Facebook which are particularly vile in my opinion. Your video presentations come across as measured and authentic. I can see you have many years of experience in the motor trade so theres no point in me giving you advice except as a purchaser of products from the motor trade (like cars). I personally value your insight which has been obviously gained over a lifetime in the trade. Therefore, someone with lesser experience (or none at all even) is going to need to be extremely well-informed in order to present a credible argument when critiquing the points you put forward. As for Ev's.........not for me at the moment. When they can do 1000 miles on a charge, tow a caravan across Europe, charge in as long as it takes to fill up with petrochemical fuel I'll start being interested.🤣
Me:- I prefer Pepsi over Coke...... Them:- You must be mad, Coke is much better & I can prove it...... Me:- but it's just my personal opinion. Them:- you are an idiot as only a fool would say that..... 😅😅😅😅
But yet you’ve been harping on and moaning all day and not come up with anything yet, because it’s true and you can’t, a few months ago I calculated that it was cheaper to run a 5 litre Mustang than a 10 year old Nissan Leaf, you have to face facts that if you want to drive an Electric Car, it’s going to cost you
Barry I admire your persistence but of course the problem with social media is the selective use of information even if discredited. Ignoring the value of using EVs for travel, your assessment overall is far worse from a car business perspective than has been described elsewhere.
I get your depreciation, but only muppets buy new cars. Why not buy a year oldun thats seriously depreciated. As for running costs my leaf costs me zero pence in fuel and reduces my house bills by over £1300 pounds a year due to its v2h2g technology. So over a year im saving against a diesel car on my household expenditure of over £3000. Sod depreciation cars paid for itself completely in 4years..😂😂
So the motor trade has been screwing us over ? Not exactly a surprise is it. All i know is is that last night, octopus paid me to put fuel in our ipace - when did that last happen with petrol ?
That’s great, now check how much petrol you could have bought with the amount your EV has depreciated by, and I assume you could still sell your electric back to the grid to buy even more petrol?
@@BarrieCrampton Ah, but my IPace had already depreciated by it's 80%, so that's not really an issue if you buy now secondhand at these cheap prices. And why on earth would I want a petrol or diesel smelly dirty thing from the olden days when I can drive fast and quiet for cheap money ? Also, how could I export electric in the middle of the night - don't understand your last sentence sorry.
@@oneeyedgirl617 What I really love is when car dealers talk about depreciation as some sort of inevitable drop in value through black magic, whereas really, it's just their profit.
@@oneeyedgirl617 is that so, well I never, course the fact that they take depreciation into account when calculating leases doesn’t enter in to it, you may want to have a quick read of this and then delete your stupid comment, course I’m going to copy it before you read this far down 😂 www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/higher-leasing-costs-cut-bev-demand-used-ev-prices-to-fall-further?FN_weekly_newsletter&FN%20-%20Newsletter%20-%20Weekly&READ%20MORE&gutid=347587 Barrie Crampton
Norway is a rich country with a tiny population and geography that is ideal for renewable power generation. For most private buyers in England, the EV mania is like all the financial crashes: lots of hype from salesmen & big companies, everyone gets excited, buys in, & it all collapses. I lost a packet in the 2000 tech shares bubble. I’m very wary of bubbles now, & the EV thing looks like the latest financial bubble to me.
If the man looked at history he would realise EVs were available in the early 1900s but died out as people preferred ICE petrol cars, and these people call you uneducated..😂
This channel is about legacy automotive evs. It doesn’t apply to new automotive manufacturers like Tesla or BYD etc. Legacy auto evs by Jaguar or Nissan or Peugeot or VW or Citroen etc are a bit rubbish. A Tesla or a BYD is a totally different story. Unfortunately they cut the dealers out of the loop and are direct sales. The future is ordering your car online and it being delivered to you (or driving itself to your door) and the old guard, who dislike change, will never accept that and fight all the way. Hence this guy, and this channel and his Twitter account.
Ok so iv done some research on this ev agenda so the whole worlds transport in co2 percent is 16% overall all transport world wide 2% boats 2% aircraft 6% HGV and other large and industrial transport the other 6% private road use our cars thats the whole world by the way 6% is cars co2 currently 70% of energy is made using coal or gas so say 6% of all our cars are now EV that means 70% of all EV energy is not zero emission so about 2% is all we would be reducing co2 by and that is if every car was an EV today its just nonsense
@@Peter-je6td lmao, im not from 1950 mate, but jeez, its just basic facts, the wealth and taxes they create gives governments little chance to oppose them, too difficult a concept for you to grasp?
Good vid, key problem with people like that its a Religion. You Barrie are the non believer entering there church as they see it. And people don’t like to be told there Wong or could be, especially if they have invested into it. If the ev was superior in every way the mandate would not be needed, sales people would not be under pressure to push and sell the cars. People would aspire for it. But the fact is ev’s work for some but not all or are not suitable for everyone, like with those like myself who carnt charge at home, and live in a remote area. Personally im sticking with my ice 4x4 car and my van. I also enjoy self serviceing my car and van and save a lot by doing so, and also know it’s done properly. But i wouldn’t feel safe with a ev doing that. It seems like we are being forced to rely on the manufacturers and big corporations instead of relying on local businesses and people. I love the hypocrisy of the evangelists when there always seemingly at a costa or mc or other global brand saying they support local save the environment while golfing down a coffee or fries😂.
I completely agree Barrie. One thing though that you didn't mention is the fact that once they set on fire, which they do, the fire cannot be put out unless the entire car is put in a container of water for 30 days!
The RAC did a test of the poisons in car exhaust, what bothers me most as a patient with cancer is the carsinogenic benzine, it is on line. Modern evs are more expensive as they are new technology and not yet built in a mass production way give it time. How cheap are petrol cars for our grandchildren, adding to global warming.
clean bio fulelis the answer and it does exist. that is 5 pounds a litre right bnow but with massive upscaling would also bring down costs.. but it would also mean we upcycle a billion ICE engines not build another billion batteries that are also devastating the planet
One of the most mentioned "benefits" is EV's need less maintenance and the brakes are rarely used. Given the UK climate if brakes are not used much they will seize up and will need replacing. Probably need discs as well and/or possibly calipers. It would be interesting to find out the MOT records now that ev's have reached an age where they are now coming on to the used market and we will probably be getting real world results on the longevity of ev's. I did start looking at used leafs but the battery condition was so varied that it was difficult to judge the used condition compared to ICE cars. Yes I know Leafs used older technology but us peasants were all told don't worry used ev's will bring prices down and now they say it's old tech. So not very reliable for people at the lower end of the chain. Is this how it's going to be now? There are millions of perfectly usable phones but instead of getting new batteries we just get a new one. Why buy a used iphone when you can get a decent android for £100?
I update my phone & PC every year to avoid having any obsolete equipment. I mean, why would you have a phone on a 2/3 year contract? The same goes for a lease car, it's a new one every year to stay upto date......🤣
Poor Barrie has an iPace - an unsellable, dated disaster of a car. He doesnt understand that in normal use only 20%-80% of battery is used to keep it in top condition. When you do a longer trip, by all means use the full range. I can go nearly 500km in one trip but it is far nicer stopping for a good meal along the route. There should be an intelligence test for EV ownership as you do need to understand the basics.
Poor Barrie has had 2 Jaguar iPace's unlike most EV Owners i have sold them for a modest profit, and i am now looking for another EV although not decided which one at the moment, they are brilliant, i just want something to do longer trips, Manchester and back and something that i can go on the motorway in, other than that,i live 4 miles away from work and i manage most days in my Citroen Ami which has a 45 mile range and a top speed of 28 mph, its perfect for me and i absolutely love it, if you EV people really wanted to save the planet you would get one too, but sadly you just want to virtue signal, so trust me, i understand range, and i understand people like you, by the way you come across as an imbecile i thought i should let you know, thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment, no matter how ridiculous they really help my videos get ranked higher and watched more
@@BarrieCrampton I don't quite understand where you've got the idea that everyone who buys an EV has been told these lies, and believes them. I bought our IPace (vastly reduced price as you know) fully knowing that it as a model has issues, but wanting a beautiful car, that I can drive cheaply if I'm clever - so presumably there are many more like me - I just don't get what you're actually trying to say to people ?
No one seems to learn from experience. Electric vehicles failed at the beginning of the last century for the same reason they are failing now, batteries. Batteries don’t work. They have limited range and limited life. When they are dead they need to be replaced - you cannot economically repair them as you can with a petrol engine. EVs may have a limited place but are not an effective replacement for a petrol car. Neither are plug in hybrids - I have driven lots of those and they are pointless.
Ice manufacturers made out that driving an electric car was only suitable for women who couldn't afford a chauffeur. Real men could use a starting handle & fix the unreliable engine.
Ah yes, the 80% dirty little secret. For example, a hyundia kona, 300 mile stated range probably nearer 240 in the real word, but 80% is only 240miles, which would give around 190 miles so you probably have to stop to charge it for an hour every two and a half hours, and thats a 100kw charger. Lots of public chargers are 7.5 kw!. If you can charge at home and do less than 200 miles they are brilliant. I'm seriously considering 21 plate konas, they are around £15,000 now for low millage ones.
@@LastOnSunday But ice cars go to maximum range in 5 mins, from fuel stations all over the UK.. In my car, aircon is on all the time, i dont have to worry about having it or the heated seats on. PS, my diesel honda's range is 600 mils plus.
@@stephenparker5272 ice cars go to the end of the tank of fuel. The range varies on how you drive & the accuracy of the range prediction displayed is just a calculated estimate, the same as an EV. I'm not arguing about the convenience of filling an ice car, just this idea that the figures are only accurate for the ice vehicles.
@@LastOnSunday but real life working conditions can be literally 5 times more for an e.v. gong uphill with weight in the winter would cut your efficiency in half at bes. in a ice car worst conditions will still be only 20% worse and then you'd get a diesel lol. we just need clean fuels or amazing catalytic convertors really
Barrie, you call that guy an evangelist but there are evangelists on both sides. As with all things like this the truth is somewhere in the middle. Sites like 'Geoff buys cars' is evangelistic on the ICE side while 'Dave takes it on' is on the EV side for instance. I have an EV on motability and honestly it's fantastic. The tech is miles ahead of an ICE car and with the mileage I do I have never had the need to use a public charger. Twice a week with my home wall box for a few pence per Kwh which saves me hundreds of pounds over the year compared with my old Ice Vauxhall.
@@watto7728 I give up the mobility part of my PIP so it is my own money. It's a lease instead of a purchase but that's the same as if I had bought on monthly payments.
Good morning, Barrie, I have watched many of your videos of the past few years, and absolutely love them, we share a lot of similarities, we are of a similar age, I agree with you 100% about EVs, I also love Range Rovers and drive a 2017 Range Rover sport Autobiography in Carpathian Grey, keep the videos coming Barrie
ev might be flawed but most f us do care about the environment so driving around in range rover sports hairdressers cars isnt probably popular for either side of the argument lol
Hi Barrie, thank you for the insightful videos. With the massive depreciation of EV's what do you know of the scrapping of EV's in the UK, if the value is just so mind blowing ridiculous please? My prediction is a lot of landfill or car batteries being stored somewhere for future recycling! Here in Australia, due to a green shill labour government EV's are our saviour and...we have no recycling facilities (to the best of my knowledge). CSIRO states "only 3% of Australia’s lithium-ion battery waste is recycled"...phone batteries basically. MG4 dealers are discounting up to 8k on 2023 plated vehicles & 5k on 2024 plated models...Go figure!
My cars are all before 2000 and 95% of repairs is on Brakes, Suspension etc Everything an EV still has, Engine super reliable and just needs regular service so wait till EVs are getting older
Most of the electric vehicles over here in Australia are powered by coal.
I call EVs External Combustion Engined as the coal to produce electricity is burnt outside of vehicle .
In Oregon our mains electricity is 93% renewable, most of that hydroelectric.
I’m using that one 😂
Funny you should mention that. In the UK the last coal power station is being shutdown on the 30th September. Apparently we are one of the first countries to do this. Luckily we have our generous neighbours in Europe who often sell us their spare power, this will I’m sure change as more renewable energy is switched on.
@@ziploc2000 But Coal goes through Oregon from Wyoming on its way to China, True??? China buys it dirt Cheap, I cant see why Wyoming doesn't keep the coal and put it on the grid in Wyoming, if your going to burn it use it yourself, why sell it to China on the Cheap and spend needless energy sending there making even more pollution.
Having hired one for a trip it was a nightmare , the recharging apps don't work(upgrade your phone to the latest) you will need an adapter kit for some sites, be prepared to wait they are always occupied when you find one.
EVs are only good for short journeys where you charge at home and they are fine.
If they offered me one at the car rental place I'd insist on a gas one.
I bought a k11 2001 micra a few months ago for under a grand. Absolutely mint and over 35mpg around town if you drive sensibly. No brainer!
my old 2.8 bmw still gets 30mpg
Who the hell wants to sit in services waiting an age to charge wer going backwards with Ev at the moment I still think life span on them is crap good work baz
Mate I charge at home if I go on holiday I will pull in services for a break always have long before ev,s now I pull in services plug the car in me and the kids go get a bite to eat and a drink 20 minutes later the car is fully charged and we are on our way!!!! What are you talking about an age to charge?
@@jctoyou So why have any public charging places?
Don't you realise that for EVs to succees, more people than just you need to find them useful?
Another excellent informative video, keep them coming..
Thanks, will do!
@@FFVoyager 😂
@@FFVoyager If EVs are so great, why do they need you here, valiently defending them?
@FFVoyager 😂 loving it, keep it up 👍
@@FFVoyager If EVs are so great, why do they need you here, valiently defending them? Please answer.
Anyone who buys a car from a dealer and tries to sell it 2 months later will lose 25% to 40% as they paid top price for the facility of the dealer.
Or they just have to pay VAT & new car purchase tax which is added to the net price of the new car?
absolute rubbish, compete and utter twaddle, just like all your other posts
@@BarrieCrampton what taxes are added to the purchase of a new car? Why is a pre-registered car cheaper just because the dealer is the first owner?
Great vid Baz your knowledgeable and talk a lot of sense your forwarding good information keep at it you are right sir.
It's human psychology, Barrie, people don't like to admit they've been wrong. People with this mind-set will never accept facts and learn from a wrong decision. I'd not waste my time trying to convince them, just state the facts, tell them where to find the information, and end the conversation.
@@oneeyedgirl617point out where he's wrong then.
@@oneeyedgirl617 He is constantly stating facts, prices, examples etc.
@@oneeyedgirl617 And what facts do you know about physics or electrical engineering? Do you know that fast charging batteries is inefficient and damages the batteries? Are you aware of the chain of conversion losses for EVs? Are you aware that to buy a more expensive EV eats up lots of energy, to earn that money?
@@oneeyedgirl617 And what is your claim, exactly? Figures? Source?
@@oneeyedgirl617 Isn't the leaf a logical upgrade to a Micra? So you give me the sum of £8k lost (are you a car trader too?), what's that, pocket change? I used to be able to buy a new small car for that, in 2017.
There is a certain type of EV owner that think they know more than anyone else. In fact they have spent over the odds on an EV that does a fraction of the range that's claimed, are losing great chunks of cash on depreciation and so feel the need to justify their choice by exagerated claims and attacks on petrol/diesel drivers. The hard core don't seem to realise most EV's are built in China in factories powered by coal fired powerstations, and then shipped around the globe on extremely high polluting bunker oil powered cargo ships.....and then claim petrol/diesel owners are killing the planet!!!!
Reality is reality . BEVs do not suit everyone . The statement made that human nature is not to admit to making a mistake and exaggerating the benefits of this technology . Long term these vehicles are an environmental disaster .@@FFVoyager
Wow you have a problem with life
@@FFVoyager according to you I was a Dim Tedious old duffer yesterday, so is todays “tedious dullard” an improvement, I'm growing on you aren't i? if not I just wonder why you watch all my videos 😂
@@FFVoyager i still have both my legs but i could tell people with one leg that 2 legs is better than one
@@FFVoyager What exactly do you know about EVs? According to your channel content, you ride a bicycle. Very badly in my opinion. You clearly don't own an EV, so why are you so butt hurt?
The trouble with Universities is they obviously can’t teach you manners or common sense
I think Volvo stated that you would need to drive an EV 80,000 Km before you would off-set the co2 used to manufacture the vehicle
How many miles driving to off set the manufacture CO2 of a Volvo ice car plus the lifetime petrol emissions.,?
Generally accepted that CO2 debt is paid back within the first 15000 miles or 2 years of ownership on a new EV. Any second hand one will have no debt. And there are no ICE cars that ever payback their CO2 debt, they just keep digging until they expire.
@boblomax4371 that is not generally accepted, and 80% of the EV’s for sale on Autotrader have not paid back their debt, they have actually polluted the air, it’s a joke, an argument to make more EVs, made by producing more EV’s 😂
@@boblomax4371 And there are no ICE cars that ever payback their CO2 debt, they just keep digging until they expire.......same argument applies to YOU and the rest of the humans walking on earth !
@@boblomax4371 absolutely not the case, thats far worse than VW type estimates lol
I do'nt know of anyone yet who bought an ev,then later bought another one.Ok to run a lease one,especially if thats the only choice you get from your company. When they get much cheaper(maybe with the salt battery) and become more convenient than an ice car,they will be worth it.They will never be better for long journeys without an overnight stop.
This will upset some people. Today heard Trump saying he would stop the ban on ICE cars. He did not disparage EV's. He actually explained the technology in EV's are superior and EV's good for those that they are suitable for and if people want them but not suitable for all everyone and every use..
Give people the choice, If EV's are that much better they will create their own market and sell.
The fact that EV's are not selling tells it's own story.
Facts speak louder than words.
Well said!
Great video and judging by the number of views on these 'EV digging deeper' videos they are popular and so they should be. Keep them coming....
Nicely done Barrie, your making total sense to me, I think some of these know all's are just a wind up, anything to get some attention they so desperately desire, When a decent guy like yourself sees lies its hard to let them go, you just cant help yourself, its just the way you were made.
Barry, you seem to have gone through the same process as me on EV's. When I bought mine new in 2016, I thought they were the best thing since sliced bread. I heard the doubters, which there were few then, because it was a new technology and knowledge, even amongst the dealers was not there. I was invited to a Nissan customer discussion group and eulogised about my new EV to the marketing team and they were so impressed with me and my enthusiasm for EV's, that i was invited by top management to the Sunderland factory. They even made a personal presentation, just for me and then took me around the factory. Not only that, I was also invited around the battery plant, being the largest clean room battery manufacturing facility in Europe at that time and i was the first person from the general public ever shown around the battery facility. Of course, I was very flattered. I went home and time went by and as we used the car, logistical problem after problem emerged. We haven't used the car that much, slightly more than 40k miles now and we have had it 8 3/4 years. The battery has degraded by 42% and lost 5 battery bars after being well looked after. This changed my mind markedly about EV's as the battery degraded and seeing the second hand values collapse convinced me that the general public thought the same way. I have two other cars, a 16 year old Mercedes E Class diesel and a 20 year old Mazda MX5. Both cars have the ranges they were bought with ( the Mercedes 650 miles brimmed at highway speeds ) and both work perfectly well. The 30 kwhr leaf still works o.k. as well but for how much longer. EV total perception comes with time from being an early adopter and now my view is that I would never buy another one, apart from if it was a second car, specifically bought as a local runabout, fed from octopus go cheap electricity but then again, why, after second hand price depreciation any EV would saved me nothing, so no, I wouldn't buy any EV, ever again.
Sorry to hear about your car, we also have a Nissan LEAF. It’s 10 years old and we bought it second hand 9 years ago. It’s done 95K miles and the battery health has 11 bars. It’s still on the original brake discs and pads. I have it inspected by a Nissan main dealer every year and they said the front pads were approximately 50% warn. In total I have had to buy 10 new tyres. Up until three months ago it was our main car. This year we had a vehicle to home bi-directional charger installed and use the LEAF as a home battery most of the time. I charge the car with cheap rate electricity at night and the house runs off the car traction battery almost all the time now. PS my Dad can’t stand electric cars and refuses to be driven in it.
@nick52525 Your battery is still degrading but more slowly, my leaf was a 30 kwhr, they are the worst evidently. Like I said, my MX5 is 20 years old. I used to own a 1977 Chartreuse MGB Roadster, decades ago, then i sold it. If you look up the registration RVN564R, it is still on the road 47 years after manufacture.
None of the EV's on the road will do that, purely because it comes to the point, when the most expensive component, the battery needs changing and it is just not economically viable, like repairing an engine is. Even more so with second hand values making the cars worthless, in their later lives.
Your battery is still degrading but more slowly, my leaf was a 30 kwhr, they are the worst evidently. Like I said, my MX5 is 20 years old. I used to own a 1977 Chartreuse MGB Roadster, decades ago, then i sold it. If you look up the registration RVN564R, it is still on the road 47 years after manufacture.
None of the EV's on the road will do that, purely because it comes to the point, when the most expensive component, the battery needs changing and it is just not economically viable, like repairing an engine is. Even more so with second hand values making the cars worthless, in their later lives.
tthey are a pc on wheels, how many people buy a second hand p.c?
@@nick52525 How can I believe you?
Just come across your channel Barrie . I’m 57 and been in the trade since school (on the spanner’s) . It’s a breath of fresh air to hear someone saying stuff I’ve been thinking for ages about this subject. Keep it up 👍
Thanks for watching
Used car prices of 2021 were nuts. I have a Mini electric, dealers were offering trade-ins after 1 year because used values were like 90% or more. EV newbies got sucked in and a year later found it didn’t work for them, they discovered used values had collapsed in a big way and were paying big sums of negative equity to get out of the car.
i believe in people finding out by making their own mistakes, their money not mine
But the subsidies _are_ our money.
I think with any consumer goods convenience wins the day, and that covers a whole series of factors, reliability, easy operation, long life etc, so brushes were replaced with vacuums, dolly tubs were replaced by automatic washing machines, tin baths were replaced by fitted bathrooms, and the same with cars which replaced horse and carts, for me the ICE provides the most uncompromised solution, easy to own, good range, quick to fill up, and last a long time, a bit of a no brainer. I do accept for people only doing very short journeys and able to charge at home EVs can make sense
I've had numerous conversations on this subject. I bought 1998 Nissan Micra k11 in 2005 for £450 it's still in daily use never failed a MOT in my ownership and apart from tires brakes regular oil changes still going strong I fill up twice a month around £70 insurance with NFU £145 fully comp tires cost me £28 each (new) and I bought 1 battery five years ago for £22. Sure it has absolutely no street cred but it does it's job more than adequately and there's not a panel that doesn't have a ding but it's not rotten never been welded. As much as I look in envy at those shiny new cars I can't help but wonder if they will still be going in 25 years from now, I think my old Micra has long paid back any damage it caused and continues to make. I've never bothered to add up what the cost of ownership maintenance wise has been since I bought it but I guess if I said £100 a year including the test fee I'd be very close.
yep
The big problem with your K11 is that it gives you easy, affordable travel.
Thank you for this calm, informed video - not too many of these about!
Here's my 3-pennyworth. Apart from an ICE oldie, I own an MG5 EV Estate, 2nd generation. It's coming up to 18 months old. Various important bits have failed and have been replaced under warranty. It's resale value using a combination of national and a local dealers is an average of £13.5 k against the not cheap purchase price of £34k - excessive depreciation. Home charging is good value: public charging especially at high speed is now too pricey - partly a consequence of the energy crisis but this also includes full VAT. Finding working chargers on long national journeys wastes time, makes me drink too much coffee and the charge takes too long.
The achievable range of EVs is misrepresented for summer and winter conditions, always to the disadvantage of the driver. (In the Latest What Car YT video comparing 12 EVs including mid-priced and silly expensive, none met their manufacturer's stated range, under performing by 12% to 16%. in Summer conditions. Deduct another 20% for cold winter running). The mystery/lottery of the SOC of the battery as the months pass is an added concern.
Meanwhile, various EV pundits continue to push the latest EV, many of which across a range of makers, are launched with software and hardware faults which owners are left to resolve. eg Volvo MX 30. My MG dealer even had the cheek to repeatedly phone me to persuade me to buy an MX 30, despite the total impossibility of getting a test drive. He's just been deleted from my Xmas list...
If you are still reading, thanks. The above EV profile means the MG5 is confined largely to local routes. Driving a mixed economy of ICE and EV seems inevitable. But now we know what we know, their is little reason to purchase any new EV. Save the planet by driving a pre-owned hybrid with a decent portion of battery range. Leasing? I've never found a deal which is in the driver's favour. Thanks.
thank you for that, I'm afraid the depreciation is eye watering I'm sorry about that, but of course it can only drop so far then they become great value
Well said Barrie … you have plenty of experience mate … 👍 can’t please everyone
Barrie, as a die hard motor guy… *I beg you.* Please go to your nearest Tesla dealer and drive a Model 3 Performance or a model 3 LR.
Come back here and tell us what you think.
Tesla cars must be one of the ugliest cars on the road right up there with the Nissan juke
Time will tell no doubt. I agree with you I never believed the ev hype. The company I work for cleared out all the ev vans for diesel vans “To get us to 2030 or we won’t survive” all very interesting . 😊
The EV is what the internal Combustion engine would have replaced if the development was in the reverse order. ICE is superior, end of.
Thats not to say that EVs are completely useless, there are uses for them.
Didn’t we drop EV’s over a hundred years ago in favour of ICE cars due to the same reasons today such as charging times and poor range.
No, electric cars were seen as only suitable for women as they were clean, quiet & easy to drive. The ice cars were considered to be more difficult to drive & as such, more manly.
@@LastOnSunday i drove an battery powered milk float 30 years ago. after that drove electric fork lifts, werent no females doing those jobs back in the day
EVs were attacked by the oil industry back then, and JPM metering electricity and creating an energy monopoly.
But those EVs are IMO technologically superior to todays.
I'm running a 1999 Audi S8 (4.2 litre V8) and a 1965 Sunbeam Tiger (4.2 litre V8). Are my cars "green"?
own a 24 kwh leaf paid 9000 pounds for it 4000 miles on the clock 2015 plate .purchased in 2019 now 84000 miles 4 head lamp bulbs two bottom ball joints drivers side 11 bars on the battery eats tyres put on the heater in the winter it burns thru the range costs 49 p per kilowatt to charge at podpoint 64 mile range so it costs 12 pounds to charge .i could get a xe diesel jagaur 2 litre be warmer wouldnt have to leave the car for hours to charge and would save money on fuel i can see diesel petrol cars commanding premium prices in a few years
yeah but diesel will have 20 quid per gallon tax
@@PazLeBon China's Too Hot, No Power! 750,000 EV Owners Suffer, Queuing 10 Hours, Can't Charge .you tube
So a used EV makes perfect sense then
It does, but if new EVs keep depreciating then no one will buy them and then there won’t be any used ones will there
The “carbon debt” figures quoted for EVs , conveniently never take into account end of life recycling of the battery.
On a different topic , Quentin wilson isn’t a guy I’d trust, he was once convicted of clocking cars (Google for clarification), he’s not a trustworthy source of information.
well it would be end of battery life cycle but also the end of lif eof the ice car it replaces. wheres the 100s of million car graveyard gonna be? so much for recycling eh
The “carbon debt” figures also ignore the journeys to work to earn the extra money to buy them. From an £8k car to a £45k car - just to buy, is a LOT of carbon.
I like this channel top class proper information
Can you compare a leaf to a mica though ? I’ve seen 10 year old micras go for 5 grand
A Leaf is far bigger than a Micra. Supposed to be an expert and couldn't find a comparable vehicle. Also who on earth buys using list price? Silly video.
Barrie, After a lifetime of hard work you have done your duty to the car trade you can retire with honour. You need to let the young guys take the reins. It's their problem now. If you carry on too long they will just see you as the problem!
Keep making interesting videos!
im afraid there is no respect for elders anymore
You make good sense my friend 👏👏👏 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
The behaviours of some EVangelists mirrors those of Cultists
Really quite depressing because EV's do have a use case, it's just not a universal one
i was driving an electric milk float in the 80s :) was better than the new ones in many ways,used to haul several tonnes about all day :)
@@PazLeBon The 1800s EVs were also very useful. Today those would also be welcome. But being made to buy super expensive, non repairable batteries on wheels, is crazy.
@@G-ra-ha-m its all upside down :(
@@PazLeBon I think the mas on ic erasure of the Tar tar tech has been successful in deleting a lot of good ideas. We go backwards, in ancient egyptian times, carving pots with handles from granite was routine. Today... it's almost possible :)
And they always turn to personal insults . And for some strange reason RUclips let them get away with it
Barrie when you tell the truth backed up by honest facts a figures ,they are defeated and then the personal insults come .
Would a family buy an MX5 to fit their needs? Would a company director use a Hyundai i10 as a company car? No?
Why is it so difficult to understand that an EV is not always the right choice for all people, all of the time? Just as one type of ice car can't fulfill all things for everyone.
ii own 2 cars. one mx5 for without passengers and a bmw 3 series for when i have passengers. driving a 5 seater on my own just feels wrong yet folk do it with 7 seats :)
So your argument is that an EV in any shape or form isn’t suitable for everyone 😂 trust me my Range Rover Sport does absolutely everything I want it to,
@@BarrieCrampton Range Rover - does everything you need..... apart from being reliable?
ultra reliable, we sell loads, far better than Mercs, Audis and streets ahead of BMW thanks @@LastOnSunday
I do agree with being able to make the decision for myself & I am deeply resentful of the government for taking away my freedom to choose. 👍
5 years ago i bought my bmw for 2k and have done 30k miles in it, with taxes and inspections and repairs etc that's well under 10k and i hope to another 30k in the next 5 years, so another 8k. thats 18k for ten years including all cost and fuel., the same price as the cheapest e..v off the forecourt. the carbon footprint from the fuel is less that the carbon footprint from the manufacture of the new e.v . Real life facts. governments have failed to control the direction that tech companies see the cash trail. all this investment should have gone into bio fuels which do exist and upcycling the billion engines that exist in all sorts of machines
Hi Barrie, thanks for the video. I am looking to replace my 2010 Nissan Pixo. It is a very good car for a single person but I have a family now and the space is not enough. My budget is around 8k. I am looking into 2017 ford focus (just to avoid more road tax) and sub 3 to 4 year old used electric cars. But I just learnt that electric cars also need to pay road tax from next year. I am kind of confused. I also have range anxiety with electric cars. Though most of my journies per day is not more than 25 miles, I do some road trips once in a while. Is it worth getting a 3 or 4 yo used EV and pay road tax from next year or get a good used ford focus from 2017 and pay less road tax? I am a bit confused and your suggestion will greatly help. Thanks!
EVs can only be sold using smoke and mirrors to hide their weaknesses and if they were so great, they would be flying of the shelves.
I just wonder who funds the fully charged show. It's not a show, it's like a one of those American TV channels for selling stuff, only positive after positive. I think the hay day of motoring was when there was hundreds of manufacturers making lots of interesting stuff pre war.
not even that long ago, even the 80s there was a hundred manufacturers
Are we talking about Mark Tebbutt, (posted before I saw the tweet feed)I think he's called? I was blocked by EV fudbuster yesterday for retweeting Geoff buys cars. 😂
I had three Nissan Leafs from 2014 to 2023, two on contract hire, the third owned and it was such cheap motoring. The first two cost ~£200 per month to hire, cost nothing to run and the one bought cost £10k and we got £6k for it when we sold it after 4 years a year ago. They worked really well fo us. I feel sorry for the guy who bought ours from us, he's perhaps lost as much in a year in a depreciation as we did in 4. What we're seeing at the moment with depreciation is unusual, it's as unusual as the spell through Covid where EVs didn't depreciate at all. It'll all sort itself out in the end. Personally speaking I won't be going back to fossil fuels in a hurry, but each to their own.
A lot of what you are saying is based on list prices, but they are largely irrelevant with EVs because most of the legacy manufacturers set them unrealistically high, so then had to discount heavily. Also relatively few private buyers buy new EVs (or ICE cars), preferring to buy used where the market is more sensible and EVs are on a par with similar spec ICE cars and much cheaper to run. So yes, if you want to use a privately bought (list price) EV as an example you may be able to make it look like it works out more expensive but it doesn't mean much in the real world.
@@leslie19611 well actually it does because you forget I used the list price of the ICE cars too and the same applies to them, nice try but no cigar,
@@BarrieCrampton Well they don't sell Nissan Micras anymore so the equivalent today would have to be a Nissan Juke. You can buy a new Leaf or a Juke for under £17k, so good luck with working out how that could make the Leaf appear cost more.
@@leslie19611 the example was from when the leaf was new, good try but no cigar
Richard heads. They're everywhere. Well explained Barry.
FFS, the brakes do last forever ! Oh and the tyres wear at exactly the same rate as an ice car of the same performance.
Explain the corrosion on the discs on the cars in his other video, the corrosion on the discs were shocking on several low milage EVs.
Top man, Barrie.
Is the Micra really the same category?
the leaf is bought for economy, not for anything else, just to save money, that was the thought but im afraid it doesnt
HI barrie can,t understand why we arn,t push more on BIO FUELS recycling plastic vegtable waist etc , 2 weeks ago the Goodwood revival meeting cars taking part had to run Bio fuel cobras ferrari,s jaguars etc worth millions if its good enough for them it can be used on to days cars ? !!!
What is offer missing in these figures is the distance away from the manufacturing of the vehicles to the customer for example Kia and Hyundai are made Korea they are approximately 6,000 nautical miles away and they traveled to the UK via car carrying Transporter ships powered by diesel they use approximately 24,000 litres of diesel per day and they take six months to get to the UK how is this worked out in the environmental friendly perspective
European Kia are made in Slovakia and Hyundai in the Czech Republic. They both have European HQ’s in Germany.
I find this channel interesting. Although a Brit, I follow American politics closely. Reading comments on here, and other similar channels, reminds me of the Republican party vs the Democrats. It is a place for partisans, an echo chamber for those who do not like Electric Vehicles, but love ICE vehicles.
Personally, I have no particular view either way.
Take away the car trade from the discussion - then in my opinion, it is clear that we have to find an alternative solution to ICE vehicles, for the sake of the world we inhabit. The evidence Barrie presents is exactly that. It presents reasons and challenge to the exact same type of evidence being presented by all the "Barries" who support EVs.
This channel then becomes click bait for those who simply don't "like" EVs, and nothing will change their view. Having Barrie as the spokesperson gives licence to it. Not all EVs are or will be "bad" (again, not talking about the impact on the motor trade). And as a technology, they are evolving. Trying to continuously see justification as to why they shouldn't exist? I don't understand that. A big problem today is that we don't listen or try to understand what either side of an opinion is saying. Instead we hunker down to a point where the sheer embarrassment of accepting data from "the other side" is unacceptable, be that for or against either EV or ICE.
It is clear that examples, driven by data, are all around that disprove, cast doubt etc. on the claims or reasoning being presented by EV manufacturers and supporters. It feels like Brexit all over again, but let's not go there. But let's understand that the people now manufacturing EVs were once public lovers of ICE vehicles for decades, and have made choices to advance the world in a quite radical way for multiple reasons. It's not just about "saving the planet". Right now the arguments rage about coal providing the electricity, battery life/disposal, depreciation of the value, world Government agendas etc.
But an alternative to ICE is needed, so if not an electric (or hydrogen?) solution, what else is there right now?
In my family, my wife has a Toyota Yaris Hybrid, which is brilliant, and we use that for the run around. I am a musician, and carry a lot of gear, so I have (now my 2nd) Ford S-Max 2.0 ltr Diesel now on 103k. I LOVE that car. My eldest son bought a Tesla last year. So I have experience of different cars. The Tesla is a great car. I am no "petrol head" and my cars have always been a means to get around, nothing more. And I keep them for on average 10 years. I have driven his Tesla, and I really enjoyed it. He commutes an hour in it regularly, doesn't have a home charger because of where he lives (city centre flat) and has worked charging it into his "life" schedule. Would I buy an EV myself? When the day comes and I don't need a big car, I would probably go for a hybrid, which I think are the better option right now.
Being older now, it reminds me of when synths stormed into the making of music. Outrage - traditional guitar based music enthusiasts were horrified. Move that onto auto tune, laptop Digital Audio Workstation software and "bedroom producers" using virtual instruments to produce music, live playback, amp modelling instead of cabs on stage ("reduces the live experience of the listener!!") and so on...
Along the way, it was the public who chose what they wanted from what was on offer, they didn't care about who was making what using what, and why opinion said one thing was "better" than the other. Not sure why I decided to write all this today. Anyway, everyone stay safe, and have a great weekend.
not even that complicated. theres a billion ice engines, not just in cars, in lawn mowers, tractors, generatos, everything. the blatant answer is to use clean fuel in them
RobWaklin, I thought I could talk lol but you make some valid points, Its very much like American politics but that hate took decades to build, the push by EV lovers seems over night although its taken a few years.
The fact that the UK Govt are pushing car makers to make drastic decisions and poor decisions at that seems like suicide to me, How many more car building jobs can the UK afford to lose, who is pulling the strings, is it China that has to win this game.
Europe has backed off, I have to question that too, maybe the UK is the guinea pig.
If car makers crash the prices of cars and repairing them will be so expensive, it really could make Brexit look like a kids party.
There’s another thing to consider I recently brought a Hyundai kona ev very cheap at £7500 for a 2021 I quickly got shot as insurance was ridiculous at £2700 my current 2l diesel insignia was£370 the same kona but petrol was £670 so extra £2k for ev why and how.
I dont understand why though. Ive checked and its about £250 a year more for me for an equivalent car.
typo lol
I am fairly pro EV, but even more pro my needs which means I'm changing my leased EV back to diesel in 15 months at end of lease.
Probably used this time and back to a Skoda Octavia.
Long runs in the EV are a pain for us with public charging (Ireland) and and then the cost of public charging putting the cost and journey time of the run considerably above the that of LPG using wife's (petrol also a little cheaper) Bi fuel Dacia.
However on local runs or road trips within range of home charger the EV wins hands down over the LPG or petrol.
Which means we're also considering changing the Bi fuel Dacia to a cheaper EV, (probably lease a Dacia spring) as that combination is a winner for us.
there really is only one pro tho and that conscience of trying to do the right thing. but when that is proven to be a falsehood then there needs to be another pro choice.. i.e clean bio fuels for our existing engines
@@PazLeBon I'd be happy with that. My wife says doesn't want an EV, wants to keep her bi fuel Dacia Sandero longer term, it is brilliant little car.
I'm aiming now for a bigger Dacia Duster, also with LPG until next change when will see if and how the fuels are changing as I do not want an EV for the road trips.
Nice drive but shockingly poor charging facilities plus substantial cold weather and motorway range drop.
@@DavidJohnston58 pros and cons for sure ;)
I have a diesel but the facts are simple. COMBUSTION in all areas not just transport will end in the next 20yrs like it or not. Yes it will be strange and there will be small issues like cars right now but trust me it will and is happening
Tebbutt is a Green party member
On social media platforms folks behaviour towards each other appears to sink into the toilet with comments flying around that you wouldn't generally use face to face else expect a smack in the gob🤣 I personally try to avoid stuff like 'X' and Facebook which are particularly vile in my opinion. Your video presentations come across as measured and authentic. I can see you have many years of experience in the motor trade so theres no point in me giving you advice except as a purchaser of products from the motor trade (like cars). I personally value your insight which has been obviously gained over a lifetime in the trade. Therefore, someone with lesser experience (or none at all even) is going to need to be extremely well-informed in order to present a credible argument when critiquing the points you put forward. As for Ev's.........not for me at the moment. When they can do 1000 miles on a charge, tow a caravan across Europe, charge in as long as it takes to fill up with petrochemical fuel I'll start being interested.🤣
Me:- I prefer Pepsi over Coke......
Them:- You must be mad, Coke is much better & I can prove it......
Me:- but it's just my personal opinion.
Them:- you are an idiot as only a fool would say that.....
😅😅😅😅
just avoid anything that people like Musk appear on
@@oneeyedgirl617 nope
But yet you’ve been harping on and moaning all day and not come up with anything yet, because it’s true and you can’t, a few months ago I calculated that it was cheaper to run a 5 litre Mustang than a 10 year old Nissan Leaf, you have to face facts that if you want to drive an Electric Car, it’s going to cost you
@oneeyedgirl617 why don’t you enlighten me?
Barrie does run a Citroen Ami so there is a use for them lol
Barry I admire your persistence but of course the problem with social media is the selective use of information even if discredited. Ignoring the value of using EVs for travel, your assessment overall is far worse from a car business perspective than has been described elsewhere.
Let me guess .
go on then, or do i have to guess what you are guessing, because this could be a long game
@@BarrieCrampton Total cost of ownership over 3 years , Micra. …Running costs over 3 years Leaf .
@antoniopalmero4063 😂
@@BarrieCrampton Did you sell your Citroen ami ?
I get your depreciation, but only muppets buy new cars. Why not buy a year oldun thats seriously depreciated. As for running costs my leaf costs me zero pence in fuel and reduces my house bills by over £1300 pounds a year due to its v2h2g technology. So over a year im saving against a diesel car on my household expenditure of over £3000. Sod depreciation cars paid for itself completely in 4years..😂😂
So the motor trade has been screwing us over ? Not exactly a surprise is it. All i know is is that last night, octopus paid me to put fuel in our ipace - when did that last happen with petrol ?
That’s great, now check how much petrol you could have bought with the amount your EV has depreciated by, and I assume you could still sell your electric back to the grid to buy even more petrol?
@@BarrieCrampton Ah, but my IPace had already depreciated by it's 80%, so that's not really an issue if you buy now secondhand at these cheap prices. And why on earth would I want a petrol or diesel smelly dirty thing from the olden days when I can drive fast and quiet for cheap money ? Also, how could I export electric in the middle of the night - don't understand your last sentence sorry.
@@oneeyedgirl617 What I really love is when car dealers talk about depreciation as some sort of inevitable drop in value through black magic, whereas really, it's just their profit.
@@oneeyedgirl617 is that so, well I never, course the fact that they take depreciation into account when calculating leases doesn’t enter in to it, you may want to have a quick read of this and then delete your stupid comment, course I’m going to copy it before you read this far down 😂 www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/higher-leasing-costs-cut-bev-demand-used-ev-prices-to-fall-further?FN_weekly_newsletter&FN%20-%20Newsletter%20-%20Weekly&READ%20MORE&gutid=347587
Barrie Crampton
Oh dear, you guys do make me laugh, since when do car dealers make 80% profit
Norway is a rich country with a tiny population and geography that is ideal for renewable power generation. For most private buyers in England, the EV mania is like all the financial crashes: lots of hype from salesmen & big companies, everyone gets excited, buys in, & it all collapses. I lost a packet in the 2000 tech shares bubble. I’m very wary of bubbles now, & the EV thing looks like the latest financial bubble to me.
scotland could do it, they have genuine huge renewables there.. we also have the a.i bubble.. a glorified word calculator :)
Think I will wait until the atomic powered ones come out .
If the man looked at history he would realise EVs were available in the early 1900s but died out as people preferred ICE petrol cars, and these people call you uneducated..😂
They are trying to uninvent the wheel.
@@jontheodore8450 they died out because of propaganda by the oil companies, a bit like today with the propaganda by the electrical companies today!
This channel is about legacy automotive evs. It doesn’t apply to new automotive manufacturers like Tesla or BYD etc. Legacy auto evs by Jaguar or Nissan or Peugeot or VW or Citroen etc are a bit rubbish. A Tesla or a BYD is a totally different story. Unfortunately they cut the dealers out of the loop and are direct sales. The future is ordering your car online and it being delivered to you (or driving itself to your door) and the old guard, who dislike change, will never accept that and fight all the way. Hence this guy, and this channel and his Twitter account.
Why wouldnt you want to save £180 per month. Crack on. Everyone has a choice.
earning that be ok right now :)
Ok so iv done some research on this ev agenda so the whole worlds transport in co2 percent is 16% overall all transport world wide 2% boats 2% aircraft 6% HGV and other large and industrial transport the other 6% private road use our cars thats the whole world by the way 6% is cars co2 currently 70% of energy is made using coal or gas so say 6% of all our cars are now EV that means 70% of all EV energy is not zero emission so about 2% is all we would be reducing co2 by and that is if every car was an EV today its just nonsense
but tech companies make billions and hold government to ransom
@@PazLeBon put your tinfoil hat back on
@@Peter-je6td Or simply look at the valuations of the tech companies.
@@Peter-je6td lmao, im not from 1950 mate, but jeez, its just basic facts, the wealth and taxes they create gives governments little chance to oppose them, too difficult a concept for you to grasp?
@@G-ra-ha-m again lay of the paint thinner
Good vid, key problem with people like that its a Religion. You Barrie are the non believer entering there church as they see it. And people don’t like to be told there Wong or could be, especially if they have invested into it. If the ev was superior in every way the mandate would not be needed, sales people would not be under pressure to push and sell the cars. People would aspire for it. But the fact is ev’s work for some but not all or are not suitable for everyone, like with those like myself who carnt charge at home, and live in a remote area. Personally im sticking with my ice 4x4 car and my van. I also enjoy self serviceing my car and van and save a lot by doing so, and also know it’s done properly. But i wouldn’t feel safe with a ev doing that. It seems like we are being forced to rely on the manufacturers and big corporations instead of relying on local businesses and people. I love the hypocrisy of the evangelists when there always seemingly at a costa or mc or other global brand saying they support local save the environment while golfing down a coffee or fries😂.
I would only buy a Tesla , in general the rest of the evs aren’t up to scratch.
Musk is the worst troll of the lot, i couldn't touch anything he ever even thought of
I completely agree Barrie. One thing though that you didn't mention is the fact that once they set on fire, which they do, the fire cannot be put out unless the entire car is put in a container of water for 30 days!
The RAC did a test of the poisons in car exhaust, what bothers me most as a patient with cancer is the carsinogenic benzine, it is on line.
Modern evs are more expensive as they are new technology and not yet built in a mass production way give it time.
How cheap are petrol cars for our grandchildren, adding to global warming.
clean bio fulelis the answer and it does exist. that is 5 pounds a litre right bnow but with massive upscaling would also bring down costs.. but it would also mean we upcycle a billion ICE engines not build another billion batteries that are also devastating the planet
One of the most mentioned "benefits" is EV's need less maintenance and the brakes are rarely used. Given the UK climate if brakes are not used much they will seize up and will need replacing. Probably need discs as well and/or possibly calipers. It would be interesting to find out the MOT records now that ev's have reached an age where they are now coming on to the used market and we will probably be getting real world results on the longevity of ev's.
I did start looking at used leafs but the battery condition was so varied that it was difficult to judge the used condition compared to ICE cars.
Yes I know Leafs used older technology but us peasants were all told don't worry used ev's will bring prices down and now they say it's old tech. So not very reliable for people at the lower end of the chain.
Is this how it's going to be now?
There are millions of perfectly usable phones but instead of getting new batteries we just get a new one.
Why buy a used iphone when you can get a decent android for £100?
yep, evs are basically a pc on wheels and who wants a ten year old pc?
I update my phone & PC every year to avoid having any obsolete equipment. I mean, why would you have a phone on a 2/3 year contract? The same goes for a lease car, it's a new one every year to stay upto date......🤣
@@LastOnSunday my cars are both over 20 years old and great and without any of that shit tech haha
Poor Barrie has an iPace - an unsellable, dated disaster of a car. He doesnt understand that in normal use only 20%-80% of battery is used to keep it in top condition. When you do a longer trip, by all means use the full range. I can go nearly 500km in one trip but it is far nicer stopping for a good meal along the route. There should be an intelligence test for EV ownership as you do need to understand the basics.
There should be an intelligence test for watching RUclips videos too
Poor Barrie has had 2 Jaguar iPace's unlike most EV Owners i have sold them for a modest profit, and i am now looking for another EV although not decided which one at the moment, they are brilliant, i just want something to do longer trips, Manchester and back and something that i can go on the motorway in, other than that,i live 4 miles away from work and i manage most days in my Citroen Ami which has a 45 mile range and a top speed of 28 mph, its perfect for me and i absolutely love it, if you EV people really wanted to save the planet you would get one too, but sadly you just want to virtue signal, so trust me, i understand range, and i understand people like you, by the way you come across as an imbecile i thought i should let you know, thanks for watching and taking the time to leave a comment, no matter how ridiculous they really help my videos get ranked higher and watched more
@@BarrieCrampton I don't quite understand where you've got the idea that everyone who buys an EV has been told these lies, and believes them. I bought our IPace (vastly reduced price as you know) fully knowing that it as a model has issues, but wanting a beautiful car, that I can drive cheaply if I'm clever - so presumably there are many more like me - I just don't get what you're actually trying to say to people ?
No one seems to learn from experience. Electric vehicles failed at the beginning of the last century for the same reason they are failing now, batteries. Batteries don’t work. They have limited range and limited life. When they are dead they need to be replaced - you cannot economically repair them as you can with a petrol engine. EVs may have a limited place but are not an effective replacement for a petrol car. Neither are plug in hybrids - I have driven lots of those and they are pointless.
Ice manufacturers made out that driving an electric car was only suitable for women who couldn't afford a chauffeur. Real men could use a starting handle & fix the unreliable engine.
not true, we used them in many paces all my life, some true points but certainly not beginning of last century
@@LastOnSunday they still can t change a bloody wheel tho :)
Ah yes, the 80% dirty little secret. For example, a hyundia kona, 300 mile stated range probably nearer 240 in the real word, but 80% is only 240miles, which would give around 190 miles so you probably have to stop to charge it for an hour every two and a half hours, and thats a 100kw charger. Lots of public chargers are 7.5 kw!. If you can charge at home and do less than 200 miles they are brilliant. I'm seriously considering 21 plate konas, they are around £15,000 now for low millage ones.
Because WTLM range is only accurate for ice cars?
@@LastOnSunday But ice cars go to maximum range in 5 mins, from fuel stations all over the UK.. In my car, aircon is on all the time, i dont have to worry about having it or the heated seats on. PS, my diesel honda's range is 600 mils plus.
@@stephenparker5272 ice cars go to the end of the tank of fuel. The range varies on how you drive & the accuracy of the range prediction displayed is just a calculated estimate, the same as an EV.
I'm not arguing about the convenience of filling an ice car, just this idea that the figures are only accurate for the ice vehicles.
@@LastOnSunday but real life working conditions can be literally 5 times more for an e.v. gong uphill with weight in the winter would cut your efficiency in half at bes. in a ice car worst conditions will still be only 20% worse and then you'd get a diesel lol. we just need clean fuels or amazing catalytic convertors really
Barrie, you call that guy an evangelist but there are evangelists on both sides. As with all things like this the truth is somewhere in the middle. Sites like 'Geoff buys cars' is evangelistic on the ICE side while 'Dave takes it on' is on the EV side for instance. I have an EV on motability and honestly it's fantastic. The tech is miles ahead of an ICE car and with the mileage I do I have never had the need to use a public charger. Twice a week with my home wall box for a few pence per Kwh which saves me hundreds of pounds over the year compared with my old Ice Vauxhall.
Would you spend your own money on an EV though?
@@watto7728 I give up the mobility part of my PIP so it is my own money. It's a lease instead of a purchase but that's the same as if I had bought on monthly payments.
tech? 99% of us are not buying a car for tech, wed be happier with none at all
@@PazLeBon None at all? barefoot walking then lol
@@stukaseptember so an animal skin is tech~? doh
Good morning, Barrie, I have watched many of your videos of the past few years, and absolutely love them, we share a lot of similarities, we are of a similar age, I agree with you 100% about EVs, I also love Range Rovers and drive a 2017 Range Rover sport Autobiography in Carpathian Grey, keep the videos coming Barrie
ev might be flawed but most f us do care about the environment so driving around in range rover sports hairdressers cars isnt probably popular for either side of the argument lol
Anyone who buys a low quality car such as Ford Nissan or Peugeot/Citroen should expect a lower standard of product. There are so many better cars.
japanese cars are great , every one knows this
Incoherent, bitter northerner with a biased vested interest in the ice car trade.
That’s cutting, did this video dislodge your panty liner?
Hi Barrie, thank you for the insightful videos.
With the massive depreciation of EV's what do you know of the scrapping of EV's in the UK, if the value is just so mind blowing ridiculous please?
My prediction is a lot of landfill or car batteries being stored somewhere for future recycling!
Here in Australia, due to a green shill labour government EV's are our saviour and...we have no recycling facilities (to the best of my knowledge). CSIRO states "only 3% of Australia’s lithium-ion battery waste is recycled"...phone batteries basically.
MG4 dealers are discounting up to 8k on 2023 plated vehicles & 5k on 2024 plated models...Go figure!
If EVs have massive depreciation, it can only mean that there are bargains to be had in the 2nd hand market.
@@LastOnSunday like second hand laptops. who buys them?
@@PazLeBon like a 2nd hand iPhone?
@@LastOnSunday exactly ;)
My cars are all before 2000 and 95% of repairs is on Brakes, Suspension etc Everything an EV still has, Engine super reliable and just needs regular service so wait till EVs are getting older