How a Fan Theory can Steal a Story's Soul (MatPat's Film Theory on All Might from My Hero Academia)
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- So Debunking MatPat has become trendy but even when i disagree with Game Theory or Film Theory i don't usually make a fuss about details, but i've researched My Hero Academia rather extensively from my OP analysis among others, so here the little details matter, and All Might NEEDS to be quirkless...
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Really respect how you can walk the line between disproving the theory and hating on the man. Great job Nux.
ehh wasn't he debunking it?
Nobody do you know what is a synonym
do you?
debunk = to expose or excoriate (a claim, assertion, sentiment, etc.) as being pretentious, false, or exaggerated:
disprove = to prove (an assertion, claim, etc.) to be false or wrong; refute; invalidate
similar...but different
Well, Nux didn't debunk or disprove so neither would apply. ;)
The idea that I think MattPat was talking about is All Might had a quirk that was worthless without another quirk. All Might's possible original quirk being more of a "body changes into form to support that power he is building up" quirk aka a body to fit the power quirk. One for All is a quirk that can be turned on and off and even controlled, but because Daku needs to train to control the quirk while All Might had no issues with the physical part. The idea being a worthless quirk that only activates when he is building power that came with One for All.
Actually all mights quirk is having his own shading
Anthony θ_θ true true
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Yup
Haha, if I could two-thumbs up this comment I would!
You know Deku is finally OP when he gets his own shading
I think the main reason that the writers made All Might have the muscle form is to show that even the people we idolise have massive issues. It also shows that a truly dedicated hero is willing to work through pain and suffering to keep others safe and to keep others' hope alive.
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My hero Academia actually reflects the different eras of comic books since the author is a huge fan of comics
Damn
Pretty sure Tall Might is just a form that someone who has mastered One For All can use.
I've only seen thr anime but I think this too. The only reason Deku doesn't get more jacked is because hes just using a small percent. It seems like itd be the simplest explanation. Given the damage it does when he barely uses it unmastered I'd assume if he tried to go 100% he'd just explode and all might would have to find a new student.
@Rando He might have been pulling 100% I do know just using it for a split second during the first season had his body parts essentially self destruct.
I dont have the best memory so I'm not sure how well his season 1 feats compare to how all might uses all for one. For season one though it could be how he can only use it for split seconds or just a matter of how little he has it mastered.
I can think of the training camp fight(?) I think he goes all out being a good reason why maybe full cowl wont get him jacked either though so good chance I'm wrong maybe we'll never get All Deku ;_;
“The stupid little thing things” shows kaminari :,)
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Poison guy !?!? I thought All might got his injury from All for one, am i missing somthing ?
MedicEne I think he just didn't pay attention to the ep since when Deku asked if it was the poison guy, due to that being the only reported fight that happen around the time of the injury. All Might said "no the fight that caused it wasn't reported" and later they say it was All for One who did it.
All Might was seriously injured by Toxic Chainsaw while trying to protect people. He asked that the news channels take down the feed of the conflict because in order to maintain his version of truth, justice, and the american way, All Might had to at least appear invincible, even if he wasn't.
TheSilversepiroth I quote from All Might "That low life, he could never do this to me"
All for one even says it himself 'when you came at me with your guts hanging out'.
Toxic chainsaw could be the name of a quirk All for One stoke and used on All Might
*BUT THAT’S JUST A THEORY!*
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The Funniest Valentine wait...but, if you know that doesn’t that mean YOU’RE AN ANDROID TOO!?!?!?!?!
Anime Theory: Sans is actually All Might
Before he became a skeleton!
hecc yea
@@firefi1960 he already made a theory on sans and how he was a human
“I can come from many angles here”
-the tentacle monster, probably
Oh
You mean Koro-Sensei?
Why is it such a huge mystery to people why All Might chose Deku?
1st, Deku reminds him a lot of himself. The passion and undying will to protect and be a hero. Not for fame, reputation or wealth, but because of a intrinsic belief that it is the just thing to do. 2nd, Deku, a quirkless young boy no less, was wilking to sacrifice his own life for the better cause, that action and commitment reignited All Might's belief in the hero's cause.
It's those two attributes which made All Might put so much trust into Midoriya despite having a good base quirk or not.
Sometimes people can't take the answers they're given no matter how things simply appear as they are.
Also, the "official" candidate for One for All was a guy with someting close to a junk quirk, but he was chosen because of his strong, unbrekable sense of justice and perseverance ( And probably because of his "heroic smile", very All Mighty of course).
and you can add to that that he didn't just pass OFA on the first day, but after the 6 month period where he saw Izuku's determination (training beyond the "super hard program" he made him)
blue 6 month of hellish training that were barely enough to use One For All without a lethal backlash from it's boost.
absolutely, it was a necessity, but it doesn't change the fact that All Might saw how determined Izuku was during his training
4:40 Yes, Tall Might was his actual real form before he got injured. He uses OfA to force his body not to show its current state.
That is what I also think. the young All Might is muscular. (Reference: my hero academia two heroes)
Yo xD confirmed as of Two Heroes.
@@error404idnotfound3 Not really since it's also showed AND confirmed in Gran Torino and All Might flashback that he was actually skinny (and tall) sooooooo ... Debunked.
Have you watched anime during his training flashback we see that he was small might
@@zevfeitelson Not really, he was Half-Might, because he had not reached his peak physicality, yet, being a teenager.
I have an idea, and while its probably wrong here's my two cents: Remember what all for one is? An energy stockpiling ability. It just stores energy, it doesn't actually have a set way to be used. Izuku lights up when he uses all for one and can direct it into specific parts of his body or a full coverage of power, but this is just how he USES that energy. I think that's what tall might is, a method of using one for all's energy to create increased muscle mass to better contain the power and to get the most out of it. This is why he doesn't glow or have weird markings like Izuku, its because their techniques are different. That being said, I believe Izuku could very well learn to create a tall might like form, with sufficient training. Think about it, this whole time he's been learning to control that energy, the next step could very well be learning to apply the energy, but he needs control so that when he makes a tall might form, he doesn't explode or something. This also explains why all might is limited now, he still knows how to become all might and use the energy, he just has significantly fewer reserves without one for all being his battery, hence why he spits blood, he's basically sacrificing hp to power his attacks because he has no energy without all for one. Also, the wound he took could have made his use of energy super inefficient which is why he was so limited before he even gave away all for one, because his form's energy cost became far greater than the amount he could drain from all for one without damaging himself to channel more of its power.
no clue if any of that makes sense, but there you go.
You forget, his main issue is most likely malnutrition. He lost half his respiratory system and his entire stomach during that first battle against All For One, and as a result his physical health has been deteriorating dramatically. Small might is the result of numerous surgeries and a fundamental lack of both proper nutrients as well as difficulty breathing, hence the coughing up blood
It's one for all
Not all for one
Great but it's one for all not all for one simple mistake
And yes it makes perfect sense
i also just think its a story thing to show how his injury affected him. tall might is powerful and known and feared by villians, small might is unknown, weaker and a regular citizen.
"Sometimes he kills what I like, and retaliation is required."
I would like to mention what all might said in episode 2 "You know how people at pools are always flexing their muscles, it's like that," Meaning tall might is just when all might flexes his muscles which also appears when all for one is used which is why he can still go into muscle form after the embers of all for one go out, however due to half of his respiratory organs being destroyed it hurts to use his muscles making so he can only flex for a little while.
- Zer0 yeah, but his bone structure changes, soooo...
When and where is it stated that his bone structure changes?
It may be nitpicky, but he doubles in height, his skull thickens, his jaw widens, his shoulders broaden, his teeth even change, HIS TEETH! It's not said, and I know it's an anime so it doesn't have to make sense, but come on man, in comparison they look nothing alike. He's not even recognizable when he's small, and that's also not how flexing works. Muscles move and contract when they flex, they DONT expand.
I know it's a stupid thing to say, but come on man, it's ridiculous
Cody Peterson Muscular proves you wrong, his muscles literally only expand and expand
_"Young man... You too can become a theorist."_
Yeah that was cringy, Ik, I'll see myself out.
Cuz then you’d be rich lmao
So after hours of research Sans is secretly Ness and All Might is secretly Sans. That is an amazing theory according to the mindless.
_"You, too, can become a gamer."_
Anime fans can't use word cringe
Not A Prophet NO you will stay and take your punishmemt
"Sometimes, he blows me away" *Nomu getting blown away by all might*
_”The poison”_
Ehehehehhh And then season three smacks you and tells you no, that’s a hole blown in his stomach by literal anti-might.
NylonGenesis he fucken says he was injured in season one, what are these dons on about “poison”
@@kob6912 Shows how easy it is to convince people even if you are wrong yourself. I mean it was like episode 2 of season 1
@@kob6912 Because Deku mentioned a guy named Toxic Chainsaw. So many probably misunderstood that and forgot All Mights response. "Wow you're realy well informed. But no that guy couldn't even hurt me, thos was a fight the public dosnt know about"
Nux maybe I'm the one that's wrong but All Might's injury is due to actually All for One ripping off more than half of his guts
The poison thing is what was released to the public
That's why people never heard of All for One as the greatest villain
Dragon It's not the problem that AFO got revealed, that's happened in s2 already, my problem is that this information (the wound part) is revealed during their fight. It's important for both AFO and All Might's past, not only because of their fight but also because of the information regarding the 8th user of OFA
Dragon gave a *mild* spoiler, Kevi Shader. In Episode 1, we learn that All Might was badly injured and that's why he can't assume his Tall Might form for more than three hours (reduced further by the end of that episode). We also learn that the cause of the injury was being hidden, because Deku states who All Might is known to have fought at the time of the injury, and All Might tells him that this fight wasn't known to the general public.
*No,* we didn't have the series telling us flat out that it was All For One but by the time All For One is revealed, that is likely what we are supposed to have realized. I say this as someone who did *not* realize that, and instead kept thinking it was Stain who had so badly injured All Might. XP
Yeah, I just thought it was super obvious it was AFO when he was revealed, that it wasn't really even a twist when it was officially revealed.
Kevi Shader that isn't a spoiler dude. It happened in the anime after they fought Stain.
Kevi Shader, the wound being because of All for one is revealed by All Might when he talks to Midorya in season 2.
Just want to mention one small thing, One For All doesn't enhance the user's quirk at all (If they have one), All Might was explaining that if Todoroki had One For All (Superhuman speed, strength, reflexes, durability, etc) combined with Half-hot Half-cold (Insane ice and fire generation/manipulation), he'd be pretty much unstoppable and would be called a 'Superhero', because let's be honest here, All Might himself is already strong enough with ONLY One For All to be considered the #1 Hero, Todoroki would basically just be All Might but with Fire/Ice powers
But one for all is a quirk that stores power(it has never been stated just physical power) so wouldn't the stored power work on a quirk as well as physical might?
It has been stated that it's the physical powers that gets transfered
AceOfSerberit when?
Volume 1 chapter 2: roaring muscles. or episode 3 of the first anime season
AceOfSerberit The only quote i could find was "my quirk all for one, binds the physical strength of many into one" in that scene he's talking about why Deku is an unsuitable vessel he's saying Deku's body would be destroyed by it's power, any non-physical power wouldn't destroy his body(and he has no power so it wouldn't be worth mentioning). Also, that isn't a full description of his power he mentions only a part of his power and he never says ONLY binds the physical strength.
I remember when small might finally smiled. I felt so happy and satisfied then. The show is doing this right when even my dumb brain can understand that small might's smile is genuine
All Might says his emaciated form is a result of the many procedures done to save his life from when AFO tore out his innards. I agree with others that he's probably just using his quirk to create the image, enhancing his body such that it is in its peak. I don't know that it's all that necessary to explain though, when the visual story telling aspect is much more important. Basically it's like how Aizawa's Hair stands up when he uses his quirk, albeit maybe less symbolism and more a visual que that his quirk is in use.
Though uh, Aizawa's magical bondage powers might actually require explaining lol.
I’m happy your respected Mattpatt while also disproving his theory. Thank you for being a decent person.
he just make this video to defend and promote his last video on all might.
(Spoilers) but
Wasn’t All might’s injury caused by All for One?
PK Tim hes going by the anime I think so there are no spoilers in the vid
No, even in episode 2, All Might himself says something like
"Man, you're well researched. But nah, that sucker only landed a few hits, the fight that did this I try to keep out of public eye."
extremely paraphrasing, but AM says it wasn't Toxic Chainsaw.
And just like that, you see how easy it is to make a mistake, even when you're well researched in the topic. The vid's good, but you gotta admit the irony of debunking Mat's theory(rightfully so, wasn't that good) while getting such a small but crucial detail wrong, and its something almost anyone that's seen the first episode can understand.
I think what's important to take here is that both Matpat and Nux Taku can make mistakes, small and big, but at the end of the day, did you enjoy the video? I can forgive Matpat even when I totally disagree with him, because he does make entertaining videos, and most of the time he's good on evidence.
No it was by toxic chainsaw
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Nope. Read/watch it again, All Might says that punk could never hurt him like that.
Love how he sometimes said all for one rather than his real quirk one for all
Can we talk about how he refers to All Mights quirk as “All For One” when his quirk is “One For All” AND how people in the comments are doing the same thing... I’m sorry but it bothered me :|. Great video though!
me too i noticed no one is talking about it
Wait wasnt it All for One who injured All Might not that poison guy
mm-hmm
Dongus.inc Yeah, but it's safe to assume all for one still used the poison quirk...
Yeah that line was translated a couple different way, but what I THINK is the correct version is Deku asks if he got that wound from Poison Chainsaw to which All Might replies "no way that scrub could do that to me" implying someone else did, that someone being All for One.
exactly
Ronin11111111 well no shit. Later after the Stein attack, All Might out right says he was fighting All for One in a fight no one knows abouts. Some poison guy doing THAT to him is down right dumb. Cause poison leaves a crater in your side? That's more like a incredibly power punch or piercing move.
04:38 Major plot missunderstanding: I guess you meant with "poison dude" the villain called Toxic chainsaw, who injured All Might. BUT Toxic Chainsaw never even scratched All Might. Toshinoris big Scar is from One for All.
IchiNiSan all for one*
so... in the flashback... why did he look like small might when talking to his master, before he got his power?? When he told her that he wanted to be a pillar..
Because he was a teenager in those flashbacks? If his appearance as a "young hero" is anything to go by AKA, Normal Eyes Might - he became more and more buff as he got older until he reached 'Mr. Universe' levels of buff. I like to think of it as how Arnold Schwarzenegger looked before becoming a body builder, vs how he looked as Mr. Universe, vs how he looks as de Terminator, vs how he looks now....
milking cow suprise he wasn't as buff, but he was still average as a teen, slightly above, but after the incident he becomes frail and fragile, it's not the same, just look at the flashback version, he is drawn using curves and flatter angles, and his eyes are normal, but in his smol might form he is all jaggedly drawn with sharp angles
Had he received One For All yet, or was that his speech to her that made her give it to him?
In that flashback he’s still taller and bigger than small might.
@@derolixblazer8989 if you look at episode 27 when we see all might training with Gran Torino, you see him with the shading effect of him with All For One Tall Might, but he still has the body of Smol Might, so that would lend to the idea of them being two different quirks
There's an easier way to debunk the theory: His whole theory that All Might had his own quirk was because when Deku inherited the quirk he didn't get the tall might form that All might has. Well that WOULD NOT mean that All might had a quirk to begin with, because when passing down One for All, you pass down ALL the quirks that came with it, and you ADD your quirk to it as well. So All might would be passing the quirk that HE had from the beginning too. So it was a stupid theory fromt he get-go.
There is an extremely easy way to say that chuckchuk is wrong too.
One for All doesn' pass down Quirks. It only pass down Power
Maybe it's a dub mistranslation? That's what it says on the dub... Because the original power that the younger brother had was to stockpile quirks, that's how they put it in the dub... But thanks for clearing that up if that's the case.
The dub is wrong. It only stock pile "power" in the literal sense of power.
Not quirks
Well, I'll be quite honest, That's fairly disappointing..... The dub explanation is far more exciting and almost makes more sense... In the context of quirks of course, at least to me anyway. And I don't believe I'm saying that because I only knew that interpretation, but because I found it quite refreshing, and cool in a way, when I heard it first. I'dunno, what do you think? I feel like that would make more sense, rather than that rather ambiguous "power," it's pretty clear if it's just stockpiling quirks and passing them down, but I always did feel like Deku only had really one specific quirk, and that always confused the HELL out of me, so now it makes sense why! Hahaha, thanks for that. In fact, that was what was always confusing me about the "Tall Might" not getting passed down to deku, I thought that he was just going to keep getting more and more quirks as time went on or something, since he only has a certain percentage of One for All right now.
Stockpiling quirk will just turn it into a poor man's All for One.
In general it make it lame.
The way it is currently is much better.
Dangit, now I want an episode about the world protractor, All Right(angle)
Veno this is an underrated comment
I would like more of this type of video. Arguing your point without attacking MatPat. Most RUclips's can't do that.
Having watched both videos, I really that's a bad idea; MatPat didn't make all the claims Nux says he did. I mean, the *big* thing about "All Might lied!" was put forth *but* so was the possibility that All Might didn't lie because even All Might didn't know he himself had a Quirk.
nux did point out that for story sake even if it were an accidental lie, it would still detract form the story
If you would like more of this type of video, go to other channels, this is literally the best he does, his arguments are sub par at best in his other videos, just look at his seven deadly sins video, it’s almost like he didn’t even watch it
Otaku- this is Nux's best, seriously watch some of his other videos, not only do they have less effort put into them, but if you look at the thumbnail of said videos, he might as well be stealing matpats film theory logo and game theory's font, im just saying, it's awfully suspicious. As for other channels try The Anime Man and Lost Pause (lost pause is less serious sure but at least when you ask the guy a question he'll give you a real response minus the biased attitude) both are channels with up to date topics and discussions with Q&A's. As for Matpat, like I said some of his videos are bad, for example the sans is ness video, it spark so much controversies just because he SHARED HIS THOUGHTS he never claimed anything, I even thought the video was funny, but I never took it that seriously, I hope this points out where I stand.
Leviathan's Iris, Nux *asserted* it would detract from the story, but he didn't present evidence to support that claim. You might say it is just his theory...
...and unexplained theory, thanks for reading.
(...I figure he explained it in his other video, but I couldn't resist making that joke XD)
Logan Brooks, can you clarify who you all you mean? I assumed you were responding to the original comment, but I'm not sure if your saying this is Nux Taku's best, MatPat's best, or both? ^^'
Gran Torino said that his body was all Toshinori had going for him
Won't the muscle form also merge with one for all and deku will have it too?
All Might wasn't injured by poison. It is already explained on the anime who hurt him. Other than that, solid video
who injured him? i don't remember
ulkimion it was All for One, who is Shigaraki's master and the older brother of the first One for All user.
huh, so it was him, i wonder when was the last time they fought
flu3b93 wouldn't the first real one for all user be the person that originally had the stockpile quirk and then technically all for one is the real second user making his younger brother really the third user, all might the tenth user, and midoria the eleventh user?
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No, because One For All was created by the mixing of the stockpile quirk and the quirk that can pass itself on.
So One For All didn't exist until All For One gave his brother the stockpile quirk and it combined with the younger brother's quirk.
1) All Might wasn't injured by Toxic Chainsaw, it was All for One. There's no poison involved, he's missing organs.
2) One for All doesn't improve the users quirk, it's a quirk that stockpiles power and can be passed on, not necessarily a general augmentation ability.
3) All might shifts between forms by flexing. That's it. No quirk. It's explained at the very beginning. He can still do it after losing One for All entirely but only for a few seconds because of his deteriorating health. Before the injury the big muscular form was his true form (flashbacks of him looking smaller is because he was A TEENAGER IN HIGH SCHOOL ONLY LIKE FIFTEEN YEARS OLD). There is no quirk, only a party trick
All Might is shown in his small form before he inherited one for all in a flashback, do you think he bulked up for the purpose of using the quirk and after he was injured his body reverts back to before he trained himself? I don’t really see how that works. I think the easiest way to explain it would be One for All just manifested in that way in all Might, where it buffs up his body whenever he calls upon it, it just simply manifested differently for midoriya
xengineer24 if you're talking about the flashback with gran torino, All Might had a muscular body, however it was smaller due to his age, while still being noticably bigger than his "small might" form. This is even supported by gran torino, where he stated "all he had was his body".
All Might's muscular form is the form of his body before the injuries he sustained against All for One. All Might himself stated that he became emancipated due to repeated surguries, which directly implies that his body wasn't emancipated before then. Using One for All allows him to stockpile power, which makes it easy for him to make his body appear as it used to by returning his "vessel" (body) to the way it was. He gained his muscular body from training
Yeah but clearly he isn't a huge ass body builder, he's a skinny guy. Obviously the injuries still sapped his strength, but he was a skinny guy with a muscle form, not a huge buff guy with a skinny form. In a way him starting out huge destroys the "comes from nothing" narrative that deku and all might share.
Sam K He's a skinny guy AFTER his injuries and surgeries (this is shown when he was talking to nighteye after he came from the hospital the first time, he was still really buff, and this was before the surgeries. He even stated this himself). Before then he's fairly muscular in his high school days with gran torino. He doesn't start out huge (as the flashback between him and Nana shimura shows him being fairly skinny, although that's before his training). Him training to get to the point of a body builder-like body makes sense given the narrative of how much work both him and midoriya have to put in due to them being quirkless
xengineer24 I agree, when deku calls upon the power of OFA (via full cowling) his body shimmers with green lightning. While allmights body grows big.
The newer MHA zero chapter showcases exactly what i said
ww2.readmha.com/chapter/boku-no-hero-academia-chapter-193-5/
This is set before his injury, during All Mights training. His normal form is just the muscular form
Semi-Wild Speculation Theory- All Might has had a dormant transformation quirk that provides invulnerability, one that takes more energy than he could produce naturally but combines nicely with One For All and allowed him to use it without the same level of risk that Midoriya had. (note: not perfect or absolute invulnerability)
So I personally like both your theory and MatPat’s theory, but I really love this video due to how you kept emphasizing that you didn’t mean to insult or demean MatPat and are just saying why you personally think he’s wrong. It’s really refreshing to see someone disagree with him and not default to insulting him. Great video!
I don't get the irrational, legitimate vitriol towards Game and Film Theory (and MatPat himself). A lot of his theories may be "debunkable", but even so the point of the show is not to "be right", the point is to teach the mentality to research stuff for yourself and finding out stuff by yourself. The videos are fan theories, they aren't *meant* to be 100% correct, they are just someone's curiosity. Someone's passion for something. I don't *love* his videos, but i do at least find them entertaining (and some of the more science-y ones even outright very informative!). With all this said, why do people despise his stuff (and the man himself) so much? Just trying to find a logical reason here
Volpe2077 Because if you want to propose a workable theory you need to have something to work around with that isn’t already proven. Like for this video, it’s been clear from from season 2 and in the manga that he has no quirk and his power was only passed down to him by his mentor. It’s not like somewhere in the anime or manga All Might was trying to cover up for his growth quirk. It’s can’t be a theory since there was already a clear answer.
Film Theory is more entertainment than anything. If he's wrong then learn the truth ytourself lmao Why hate on him? Criticize and correct him not hate!
CUZ LAWL ITZ FUN
Sad thing is, it's become "cool" to hate on Matpat.
Because he is prominent enough that showing him up and shitting on him is a good move in terms of viewability. If he only had 1000 subscribers no one would ask for his head on a pike because it wouldn't really matter. Instead he has enough of a following that every sneeze is evidence he molests dogs or something.
The fact that All Might can still use his muscle form (however briefly) after completely depleting his One For All reserves kind of proves that it's a quirk he either already had, or that manifested itself at a later point, once he obtained One For All.
I assume you're talking about when he transformed into his muscle form a few times after he had the fight with All for One in season 3. He didn't deplete his reserves of One for All 100% after his fight, but it was damn near. He doesn't have enough to throw out a big punch to fight any kind of villain, but simply transforming for a couple seconds probably wouldn't take up much energy at all.
This is cool, but I think I disagree about the natural tall-might form. Gran Torino eludes to that each user uses One for All in different ways, I think that is just his way of using it. In all the flashbacks to All Might as a kid, he is still in Small-might form. He would have needed good physique at the time anyway to receive the quirk from his master. So, I guess all three of these possibilities could be the case (yours, matpat's, and mine).
Yea in the movie he was young and buff
Well, In Matpats defence, he didn't say All might definitely lied, only that he maybe didn't know about his quirk before he received the power of one for all; not unlike the original recipient of the stockpiling power.
Also, he theorizes the original quirk of all might is the power to "expand his body to contain energy", enforced by both him being able to "weirdly use 100% immediately" and grandturino referring to his body as "unnatural" and "weird". It's actually a decent theory.
Or his body being "unnatural" and "weird" could have something to do with high-schooler all-might looking like a full grown adult in the grand torino flashbacks, just throwing that out there. Dude looked taller than his scrawny form is.
poffpoff1 exactly, it makes sense. It was one of the Film Theory he has that I felt was pretty well made
in these weird years thats everyone in my dam school
megasuperiordude He probably looked taller then bc at that time he wasnt sickly and usually current Small Might is hunched over making him appear smaller even though hes a Tall Skeleton
I can agree.
I love both of you guys and I'm glad you weren't hateful to him. The world needs to know that someone can be wrong and be corrected and still be a good person.
Trapz It's true that he hated the theory, but he sounded like he didn't have any personal hatred towards MatPat the person...
Well there's the fact that mat pat isn't a good person. He's a pretty toxic and shit person to be honest. So any hate towards him is pretty okay.
Trapz Ask Matpat about selling out. He will either A(delete your comment) or B(call you a "hater" for calling him out)
"Sometimes he kills what I like" DDLC in a nutshell
What if one for all is really hashirama cells?
CELL FOR ALL
Warning, very long post ahead.
Matpat said that All Might lying about his quirk was the worst case scenario & that the more likely option is that he just wasn't aware of having one, something we know to be possible. Mat uses the logic that since AM was able to control 100% of OFA effortlessly (emphasis on effortlessly) then there must be something that seperates him from Deku when he first got OFA. The obvious answer aside from a quirk would be that AM had a stronger body than Izuku when he got it; the scene that showed him training with Gran Torino made it seem like he wasn't too beefy though.
The crux of Mat's argument is something that I think a lot of people who watched his theory misinterpret; how can All Might go from Small Might to Tall Might? Whenever I ask this question people give me the answer that Nux gives: Tall Might is his "true" form physically, so he's just reverting back to it. I ask how does all that muscle appear out of thin air when the same doesn't happen when Deku uses OFA. Nux actually gives the best answer that I've heard for this by saying that OFA enhances a person to their physical peak, which wouldn't affect someone already at their peak but would affect someone like Small Might (Which is very convenient from a storytelling standpoint). But like Nux says about Mat's theory, it's not the only possibility & we have no real proof to back it up.
As for how OFA would react to being transferred to someone who already had a quirk, we actually have no base of reference for how it would work. The quirk Matpat theorizes All Might for having is one that would only be useful for getting a power like one for all (Which admittedly is also super convenient, but so is the creation of OFA).
What chapter of the manga does it say that OFA enhances the user's original quirk, because I thought it only acted as a second quirk; if it doesn't work the way Nux says it does then it's a big hole in his argument, but like I said I can't find the chapter or episode where this is explained.
I'm not trying to shit on Nux's video or say that Matpat has to be right, but Nux's video doesn't actually disprove Matpat's; Nux simply presents a series of equally possible explanations... theories, if you will.
To be fair, i believed Matt's theory, until i saw All Mighty flashbacks and he was basically a Tallmighty before steroids, and given the enhancing ability of OfA he would have a power something close to muscular
Gilson Passos All Might is LEAGUES beyond Muscular. Remember, Deku beat muscular using AT MOST 10% of OFA (the 1,000,000 % thing was confirmed baloney. Deku was undergoing a testosterone rush equivalent to 'hysterical strength', a mode where people, in desperation, their bodies temporarilydouble their muscles' output. Real phenomenon) All might can use 10 times that or more
But wouldnt that prove his Theory? Or do i just not get your Comment the way you explain it makes it sound like All Might already looked like All Might before OfA or am i wrong?
This video can be summed up in 10 seconds but I enjoy the entertaining way you narrate it for 13 minuets. It’s almost as if having a longer video was not a bad thing for it’s entertainment value :0
All might may not realize he has a quirk. He said it's like puffing your chest out to make yourself look muscular, but he clearly changes his physical structure. I've been thinking about this since the first episode
3:01 ahem *clears throat*. ONE for ALL
4:11 ahem *clears throat*. One for All.
No No he still said all for one
Makayla's Roblox Adventures yes but he was talking about all might and how he can only use his quirk for smaller incraments of time. All Might's quirk is One for All, hence the correction in my comment.
Question. I thought Toxic Chainsaw was NOT the one who damaged him, and he stated as much?
AceArion That's right, it was other villain that put a hole in Allmight's torso, destroying his stomach and other organs. No poison what so ever.
Horacio Poggi Thought so. Didn't really look like a "Chainsaw" wound in the first place
it was All for One who did it
No, Deku asked if it was Toxic Chainsaw who did it and All Might was surprised he knew about that fight saying he did his research. But no All might never said it was Toxic Chainsaw who hurt him
Seeing as Deku knows about toxic chainsaw that means it was public but his fight with all for one wasn’t
Matpat made a fnaf theory, a full 20 minute video, on one bit of evidence. In fnaf vr it reveals scott cawthon created all the games, in the world of the games. He uses that one bit of info to talk for 20 minutes. Its honestly a superpower that he can milk something so hard
Matpat didn't say that Allmight lied about not having a quirk, but that Allmight didn't know he had the quirk because it didn't manifest on it's own; Much like the original user of one for all didn't know he had a quirk to pass on his quirk. Also I just rewatched that scene and he didn't say it would power up half hot half cold, but to quote "..then with super strength on top of his half cold, half hot, he would probably become a super hero".
In the end I don't believe that it has any effect on the story from what we have already been shown as allmight choose Deku for willingness to dive into danger to save someone, that self sacrifice drive to help without thinking and that light of hope he inspired by doing so.
Alexi Xeno thankyou it seems no one could hear properly when they watched the video
The wound is not from poison guy. It's from his last fight with OFA. It was just covered like this to avoid panic. Gran Torino said that in a certain chapter ( I do not remeber which one).
louie mimis AFO Mah boi
That bleach reference gave me PTSD flashbacks
I almost didnt realize this was nux because of how genuinely Positive and untroll it was..... I didnt hate it but I like normal cackling phycoyic nux
All Might wasn't fucking poisoned though. How do so many people get that fucking scene wrong? All Might says when he got the injury, Deku asks if it was against a dude named Toxic Chainsaw, All Might compliments him on being knowledgeable, and then says "nah, that fucker was a small fry. The fight that caused THIS was never made public."
*clicks on video*
wtf am i doing haven't started watching the series yet
*leaves like and goes away*
The Lord of the rings reference made my day
All Might’s real natural quirk is the ultimate hair gel quirk. It’s like is a bunny and a mullet.
The anime now shows small might to have been his original form but it was also explicitly stated that he was actually quirkless before acquiring one for all (by his mentor, gran torino, and himself)
Now im confused .^.
I thought RUclips had added a subscription to Game Theory/Film Theory, I was about to lose my shift and then I realized it was a video from Nux, then all was right with the world.
JoJo Talks Too Much why would lose a shift at work bc you're subbed to Game Theory? Your manager must really hate Matpat.
JoJo Talks Too Much Whats with all the Hate on Matpat sure some of his Theories are not that good but then please hate on that theorie not on the Guy itself
silverSTONE 98 where did he say he hates Matpat, he doesn’t like the channel, which houses the theories
Large Lad He said he would have lost his shit if he was suscribed to Matpat if that doesnt show his hatred then I dunno also your explanation of he doesnt like the Channel because of *one* just one Theory also speaks for hatred
Large Lad Also i never said in my OG Comment that he hates MatPat i was just asking were the hatred comes from
I like game theory but I dislike the crazy side of his fan base that treats Matt Patt's word as god...like he's perfect and always right
He's not always right, sometimes he's horribly flawed like his infamous For Honor video. But in this particular case Matt Patt's video was based in verifiable lore based fact that and makes a very solid logical sense, while Nux makes several egregious flaws and is heavily emotionally invested in his POV. I have really enjoyed Nux's videos, and will continue to, but Nux screwed up on this one and let his passion interfere with his analysis.
It's always possible of course that this situation was simply caused by oversights by the MHA writers however and not actual plot points. But they are inconsistencies nonetheless.
Ralathar I myself am a defender of matpat but
no
Ralathar Renares i think it was intentionally not known to all might, it isnt a plot hole if they reference it.... all might cannonly has a quirk that he has no idea he has and may never learn that it was his own power that allowed him to use OFA so effortlessly all along. i think he definitly has a clue but is denying it because its pretty obvious to us because we know everything, from the quirk type to recalling all details at the same time. i think if it as a easter egg hunt, if you oay attention you get knowledge that not even any character knows (maybe idk of anyone ever catches on)
the stick why are you booing him? hes right
All Might straight up says he flexes to get to his buff form. NOT A HIDDEN QUIRK, he's doing an over exaggeration of what all of us do to try and get our muscles to look bigger. It's anime!!!
Y is it that I have never found the Fan interpretations of the sludge villain?
here lemme help you sonny
10:03
i have you say run as my ringtone and thought someone was phoning me.
I've never heard him called "Small might" or "Tall Might" before and I fucking love it.
I thought it was All for One that hurt him, not Poison Chainsaw.
yes, all for one hurt him.
It was all for one.
X aldreca when all for one hurt you you can't be hurted again?it was all for one + poison
Ye coz toxic chainsaw was a public fight and the first all for one fight isn’t
J JULIAN Except that All Might himself said that Toxic Chainsaw didn’t injure him and there’s no evidence to suggest that he was poisoned. Poison doesn’t cripple for years, it kills within a relatively short amount of time.
i just figured it out!! you guys know when buff guys just stops breathing for a sec to make their abs and biceps more visible? yea that when allmight use one for all he does that so one for all enhances it then boom there we have a buffmight
Thanks for the video. I kind of missed the fact that One-for-All could stockpile anything, but I had always assumed that 'Tall Might' was the default for form, with the power allowing him to temporarily return to that.
He also mentions that all might, might not know he has a quirk and so didn't knowingly lie to deku.
Also all might himself compares his transformation to acting in the first episode (or second I can't remember) so it's possible that small might is just the form that he prefers to be in.
I agree with your first point but we know that All Might staying in big form would just cause him to lose it faster, so he has to stay in small form unless big form is necessary.
Love it!
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hey!
Not sure if this will ever be read but the creator confirmed it was not Toxic Chainsaw that gave All Might his scar.
This is basically science professor vs. an English professor.
Did you forget, matpat showed in the theory video a frame from the manga where he said he lost all of the embers of ofa and can't maintain his muscle form anymore.
I will kinda say. No theory is without holes. That includes yours. While I dont necesarly think his theory is correct. I also dont feel yours would be correct either. Simply because we've multiple times seen small might in the past before his run in with the poison guy and he just looks like a healthier small might not like tall might. So instead I propose an ALTERNATIVE. That Tall might is a way small might found to apply the quirk he got handed down. Just how Deku applied it to create Full Cowl. So I dont think he lied to Deku,or that Tall Might was his base form. Instead I think he simply found a new way to use the quirk. Possibly he hasnt told Deku this other application because his body cant handle it and or because he wants Deku to forge his own path as the future symbol of peace and not just follow in his exact footsteps.
I can get behind that theory, since we never see the markings on all might, whether tall or small. Though the marks are on Deku Everytime he uses one for all. It could be that one for all manifests slightly differently in each wielder.
This actually makes the most sense.
I was always really confused on why the markings appeared on Deku in his full cowl. At first I thought it might be his bloodveins being strained from the use (which explains why Tall might don't get them, since his body can handle it better), and thus becoming visible, but it doesn't really seem that way, especially not the way they look in the anime. I also kinda don't understand why no one else in the series comments on those markings. Like, wouldn't All Might or Torino be curious about them, since they aren't normal for One for All? So maybe they are just there to look cool for the reader, dunno
All the times we see a past all might looking like a healthier all might though he is FIFTEEN YEARS OLD those flashbacks are all to his years back at UA when he would not be matured enough to have grown that sort of muscle mass
Siseja Siseja It is possible,plus he would have newbie gains.
Hmmmm I think the Film Theorist is correct here. A few points:
1) All Might was not lying. When the previous user gave him the quirk she did having no idea he had one, because it only activated after getting One For All. He was handed the work even though he had no quirk and luckily it activated one.
2) We see All Might getting handed the quirk, and he is obviously in Small Might form. So that's his real form, not the muscle man.
3) Gran Torino says that All Might pretty much had control of his quirk from the get go, which makes no sense - why wouldn't he have to learn how to properly channel his power like Deku? Answer: His quirk allowed him to handle the full power of One for All without having to learn how to temper it. He could just take it, no broken bones or anything.
4) Most importantly, visually the metaphor is still present and still works. And All Might was still chosen despite having no KNOWN quirk. So the theory is harmless. But it seems to be the only one that fits all the facta.
also in the manga he refers to the all might as a muscle form because the "poison" would weaken him putting him back to normal
Nux, you’re a good guy. You’re the first RUclipsr I’ve seen in a while that has debunked a theory by looking at its flaws, acknowledging its positive qualities, and changing your own theory to fit those positive aspects without trampling anyone. You are a true fan. Props, my dude. :3
All might does say he BECAME emaciated from repeated surgeries after getting injured, so maybe he is just litterally on deaths door and when he uses one for all he forces his body back to its old state
Kind of old news bro, well not the old state part but the fact that he is on death's door is old news, for sure....
except nothing suggests that all might was anywhere close to being that physically fit. and it makes no sense byu definition of OFA to let him change his body despite injury
All Might does have a quirk though.
It’s having people ship him while looking like All Might.
1:28 You're commenting on his video like MatPat was paying any attention to the meta.
He says looming for an in-universe explanation for why All-Might has his muscle form.
Honestly there's an easier way of explaining this
Deku reminds all might of when he was younger, quirkless ( maybe) looked down , yet he had heroism
From the first episodes, all might said that while deku was quirkless, he acted more heroically than the rest of heroes there
That's why he chose him
He had the spirit, but not the power
Problem solved
Ockham's razor
7:20 when something gets hotter the particles get faster, but when thay get colder they slow down, what happens when todoroki freezes particles to a complete stop
Speed and vibration are not related. When the particles vibrate fast they emit energy and the burn is caused by the friction of the faster particles over the slower particles of your skin. Similar thing happens when you burn by touching a cold object, the friction kills the cells of your skin.
Fast moving elements can elevate their temperature(or vibration speed), but cold obects does not necessary go slow.
When a particle completly stops vibrating it reaches wich is called the absolute 0, 0 grades Kelvin(-273,15ºC or -459,67ºK), wich is the lowest possible temperature.
As a fan of the anime and manga I think a lot of it fits. I don't think he knew he had the useless quirk. I think it activated when he got all for one
This really had some plausibility until a recent episode of the anime had a flashback to all might’s past where he was small might before he was injured. Darn animes ruining fan theories
Matpat's didn't say that All Might was lying (it was a dark interpretation); just that All Might's quirk was hidden because it literally did nothing except the exact situation of interacting with One For All. Also, we know that One For All users do not have to be quirkless because All Might was planning to pass it to Lemillion, and only happened upon Deku by pure chance.
I completely support this theory because I'd been thinking it myself for ages. It's along the same lines of how this supposed to be a secret quirk when his master would have been around within the last thirty (how ever old her son is supposed to be). So why does no one seem to really know about her, but everyone knows All Might- unless All Might has something that set him apart from her and other users?
Wesley Farber The story explains that plenty. The world knows All Might in the way that it does because All Might wanted to be that symbol. He had the drive that no other hero before him possessed to our knowledge. It's not the power. It's the image. Pretty simple. Nana had the ideals, but not the presence.
You just one of the best youtubers bro
Cmon man, why are you calling All Might's quirk All For One? Even if the name is similar you have to get it right
He got the injury from all for one when they first fought
Omega FuZi0n not true go watch ep 2 season one almight confirms a villian named toxic chain saw did that
AcXiD Scythe no he said "but no kid" and not to mention Gran Torino, All Might and All for One all say all for one did it in season 3.
Yeah, it was All for one. They even say that in the anime/manga, they lied so that people wouldn't freak out that there is a villain that nearly beat All Might.
You think Matt cares about facts HA HA HA you underestimate his ability to make stupid "theories"
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This comment has nothing to do with Game theory's video, pay attention to the comment your replying to before you get pissed for no reason.
I like this video and MattPat's.
I was meant to reply to someone else
Tom Walker whoops, sorry, hehe.
Sorry wrong person hehaja
Are these replies just a joke or something
WHAT? ANOTHING OPINION? I MUST HATE IT
3:10 Annnnd that's extremely believable. Can you imagine Nana with a *big, bulky, muscular Form* like All Might? Plus, Nana (from what we know about her) is a pretty smart woman who wouldn't give her Quirk to someone who doesn't even have one in the first place. She would give it to someone who's more suitable to use/master it.
And could explain why his body was so suitable for the Quirk in the first place.
*Mr. "I mastered the Quirk almost as soon as I got it"*
I kinda agree. This video also makes a point later on, about how OneForAll would "boost All Mights own muscle quirk to the extreme if that was the case, and since it doesn't go extreme, we know he didn't have a muscle quirk" or something. But what if the muscle-boost quirk All Might originally had was just very small/weak? Like, so small that All Might didn't even notice it before it got boosted by One for All, explaining why he thought himself to be quirkless? Like you said, Nana was intellectual, maybe enough so, that she could notice the small quirk even if others couldn't.
(Also, on a sidenote, I think All Mights muscle boost is pretty extreme. Perhaps not as extreme as a lot of other quirks, but still kinda extreme)
klausiboy kristensen im pretty sure that whole thing about one for all amplifying quirks was a misunderstanding on his part
N3ON NOVA I agree. I think he kinda misunderstood the ability "One for All" gives.
klausiboy kristensen 4:36 if u look at his muscles in thus scene they are bigger than his small might form so your theory holds considering with all his hero work I highly doubt if those were NOT from a quirk they would most definitely still be present in small might
Oh look, we found the Mattpatt dick-suckers.
matpat doesn't care about theories and not going to take any critisizm, no matter how objective it is
he just pulls haters-card and ignores everything
and if you wanna know why i think that way then watch "matpat reacts to haters"
Or maybe the full crawl or whatever manifests itself differently in different people (as all might doesn't get all red liney and sparkley but get buff instead)
I mean Matpat more said All Might didn't know he had a quirk as it was small and useless and Quirk science was not as far along when he was a kid, not that he lied.
Anyways though, I like the video, normally I don't like video's on Matpat's theory's as it seems like most of those video are either just trying to bash Matpat, or they don't think about it.
a few problems.
- I don't remember mat saying all might lied to deku - it's completely possible that his quirk didn't activate before for whatever reason or was so small that it was unnoticeable. Or that his quirk didn't do anything until OfA was given to him.
- One for all doesn't improve existing quirks - What all might said was that having ice and cold on top of one for all would make todoroki insanely powerful, instead of just very powerful.
- We see all might in school in some panels of the manga, and he wasn't super buff...kinda normal buff to be honest.
that said, neither side is proven wrong... maybe almight had an unknown quirk, maybe he got physically stronger as he progressed in his "job"...
but I don't see how one would steal a story's soul... it really doesn't...
MatPat state he thought that All-Might didn't know about his quirk and assumed it was part on One for All.
for an analogy of all mights size, Clark kent (superman) was only kinda big in high school, and didn't get swole until he became a professional hero and started using super strength on a daily basis. Honestly this happens with most super strength characters they don't get big until they regularly use their abilities. so by that comparison, id say his size is just from him exercising his strength day in and out, his body getting rekt by 14 all started to break down his body (like a deflated balloon), and he re-inflates himself with power temporarily. - that's just my theory though.
"Because the entire point of Deku and All Might and One For All is to show that these two are powerless people given an opportunity to progress in a world that they weren’t supposed to"
that's the point of Deku, not the point of all might. All Might is the one who passes the torch, he's the teacher, the one Deku aspires to be... but it doesn't matter if he had an extra quirk or not. What matters is their connection in their ideals.
and your example of being adopted is bad... how many times in media do we see that the one who raises you is your father/mother? how blood doesn't matter?
it's the same here, it doesn't matter if All might was quirkless or not (midoriya even used to think he had one until All might told him he didn't), because their relationship goes beyond such trivial things.
@Leviathan's Iris - And your theory is completely valid, the comparison to superman is kinda iffy since he gets superbuff/normal-ish looking depending on the author, but it's completely valid
All might does see himself in deku, but not because he's quirkless, it's because Deku acts like All Might does. Time and again BnHA has shown that Deku was a hero even before All Might choose him. That his willingness to help others and emphatic nature are what makes him deserving of One for All. The same applies to All might, it doesn't matter if he has any quirks or not, he's a hero because of what he does and Deku admires him for his ideals not his quirks.
if something as flimsy as that destroyed everything about their relation, their relation was nothing to brag about in the first place
"who looks up to someone who’s the embodiment of everything wrong with their world- someone who was born with a quirk"
is this really what you think? quirk=bad?
Endeavor is also as buff as all might, does he also have this quirk? It's very easy to think that being as buff as all might isn't something you need a quirk for when looking at other characters in the story. All Might is literally just flexing his muscles which then allows him to use his quirk one for all because you need immense physical attributes to withstand the powers, so he can't use them without being in that flexed state.
Wait, wait, wait.. All Might explained that One for All isn't a quirk that boost phisical strenght, is quite similar, but different to it's core from a "strenght boost" quirk: One for All pass on the strenght of his possessor to the next one, collecting power from the previous generation each time is passed to the next heir.. And is stated that it's phisical strenght only.
(Please, stop here if All for One arc is still a spoiler for you)
One for All is a strange quirk born from the accidental fusion of a "phisical strenght boost" quirk and a latent, unknown and useless quirk the Brother of All for One had: pass down your power to a chosen heir via dna assumption.
Yes, that's all.. One for All doesn't amplifie others quirk at all, and Deku don't change into a beefed version because he still doesn't have the muscle to do it.
Also All Might Stated than he actually needed to work out really a lot to optimize One For All, and yes, the "Tall Might Form" was is real form all along: in the recent chapter, he explained to Deku that even "All Might" can't stay at 100% power all the time (most because the massive collateral damage he could cause, but I think it's not very healty too anyways), and his control over One for All was always dynamic, depending on the situation.
Maybe he regain his Tall Might form because of a temporary 100% activation, just to use the power he usually had maybe at 10% to 50% back in the golden era.
It's a littl3 speculation, but with some good info from the most recent chapters, when he told Deku that at 20% he could use air bullets to shot from the long range and the "not always 100%" thing.
None of this explains him being small might while training with toreno in his early days tho...
So while I respect how you did this in such a polite matter I have some quite concerns.
One being in MatPat's video he did not only say that All Might lied but that he might also no know that he had a quirk. You spent the entire video basing the fact that MatPat only said All Might must have lied.
Two being the flick you are talking about at 7:07 is not what cause the "typhoon" (which I believe you meant just a cyclone). That was when All Might beat the Sludge villain in the first epidode.
And three, since I could not find when Deku talks to All Might about if he gave the power to someone like Todoroki, I don't believe it's ever stated that his powers actually become ridiculous like you stated. So all I could find is from the wiki "One For All allows the user to access stockpiled power, which grants the user momentary superhuman strength at destructive levels, increased agility, and superhuman speed.[3][4][5][6] It has not been shown if the Quirk that stockpiles power simply gains more energy as it is passed on (the first user could not beat All For One but recent users could which suggests a power increase) or if it is able to imprint other Quirk abilities as it is passed from user to user." It is possible but don't believe anything to that degree has been stated.
Do appreciate your opinions and the respect you had.
I love MatPat and Nux so this made me happy.
My EXACT FRUSTRATION WITH THAT THEORY. Thank you.
Doesn't he actually say in an episode that he can no longer maintain his muscular form?