IS LAST GEN BETTER VALUE? MSI GE77HX vs MSI GE78HX
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2023
- When new laptops come out the previous generation always come down in price so I set out to see if the Intel 12th Gen MSI GE77HX for $2000 is better value than the Intel 13th Gen MSI GE78HX for $3300.
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Thanks for the comparison sir. Waiting for the next one. 🙏🏻👍❤
Thanks for watching it 😀
Good review.
Thanks Roman!
Steve that was an excellent review. I always want to know what benefits the newer (and usually more expensive) model has over the last one. Personally having owned Asus, Alienware and MSI laptops, I would pay the higher cost for the MSI. However any Laptop over $3k is a bit too much to pay unless your minted.
Thanks Keith! I'm with you. I find the MSI laptops are better cooled and have good build quality. Some of the prices kicking around, especially on Amazon are ridiculous.
Looking at the older generation XPS 17, which is somewhere around $1,000 cheaper than the newer generation. $2,200 vs. $3,200 for the 12th gen i7 3060 vs. 13th gen i7 4060. Hard to justify the additional expense. Both have near identical components otherwise.
Thanks for the comparison. Seems the 4080 is keeping the 80 tier pricing by performing in the 70 series position... I wonder how low they will creep
Thanks! Yes, I hope they will get cheaper but my sources say they are selling well...
If you want to play 1080p/2K I think you should stay with your old laptop but if you want to play 4K 60 fps, maxed out graphics on most games go for the 4090 laptops.
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Great video..!!! Maybe have you installed a faster DDR5 RAM on your GE77hx. I have stock 4800 CL40 DDR5 and I want to install 5600MHZ sodimm. Do you know if is this ram upgrade possible? Thank you in advance.
Thanks! I'll see what RAM I have in the Legion 7 they sent me. If it's faster than the 4800 MHz I'll try it. I recall looking for an XMP profile in the advanced BIOS but couldn't see it.
Which laptop you will prefer MSI GE77HX rtx 3070Ti vs Acer Helios neo 16 rtx 4070?
Yes sir. If you can't afford the 4080 premium, a full powered 3080ti is the way to go. The gimped 4050-4070 ain't worth that 5% increase performance even with frame gen.
Totally agree!
@@OWNORDISOWN I'm considering selling my M16 here in the Philippines as the scar 17 se proved to be more than enough for what I need. I think it's better of waiting for a unlocked intel chip again as well as a more powerful 40 series when the pricing isn't so high.
@@graelstream2353 Thats Scar 17 SE is a great machine, powerful and quiet. I have just tested the Scar 17 with the 7945HX and 4080, it is also quiet and fast but a bit expensive for the build quality..
@@OWNORDISOWN I really wanted a msi tbh this is my first rog laptop. However the premium for a decent chonkyboi msi laptop like the raider seems to much. I was hoping the m18 would kinda fill the niche but saw the review made by gizmo tech and I was really let down tbh.
@Grael stream yeah, the m18 is a disappointment. My review will be up soon. There are two problems I think. The first is the vapor chamber is under the motherboard and is starved of air coming in from underneath. The second I think has to do with the thermal pads on the VRMS etc, I get stuttering on Hogwarts Legacy, just like I did on the m16 but the GE78HX and Asus Scar 17 are fine. I did a video years ago where someone showed replacing the pads fixed his stutters. But to get access to all this you need to take the motherboard out. The 1% lows are lower than my GE77HX.
I unfortunately (?) got my GE77HX when it was current gen, though even at its original price it was much cheaper than the GE78HX is (about $2499 last year).
Yes, me too. I paid the same. I think it is still a great machine. It's 1% lows are better than the new m16 and m18 from Alienware..
i got a 78hx for free because my 76 blew up and they didn't have the parts. good to hear that it has better hinges.
That is awesome! Yes, the hinges are definitely better.
Hi I have a 76 as well, what do you mean by blew up, like literally blew up? what was the process? RMA? how long did it take? what caused it? my battery is bulging fyi.
Do you know how to undervolt 3070 of msigp66. gpu hotspot temperature of mine sometime go near 100C .
You should be able to use msi afterburner. I did a tutorial a while back
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Which is better my english is not so good 😅
I'm deciding between te ge67 or the ge 78. 😅
The OLED is really nice on the GE67HX but for me I like a larger display and the GE78HX is really nice. Microcenter had am open box for $2700, I was kicking myself for not getting it.
Just got that MSI GE78HX for $2500
Yeah, I saw it at Microcenter for that price. Awesome deal!
Hey stephen, I think that the max p 140w rtx 3070 aorus 15p at $1150 on best buy is MUCH better value. Yeah sure it has ddr4 ram and ''only'' a i7 12700h, but you gotta admit, at $1150, its killer value.
And of course, who can forget the gigabyte aero 16, with a 4k OLED and 100w 3070ti for just $1300. So these new so called high end laptops have a even worse display than the gigabyte 16 oled. Other than refresh rate, its worse in every single way.
The asus rog strix amd advantage is $1200 right now on best buy. And packs a 12gb rx6800m, which would likely be good for 3d animation work, which does require a lot of vram. Also, you know, its 2.5x cheaper than that rtx 4080 MSI ge78hx.
So, unless you want to justify a 2.5x price hike for maybe 40% faster CPU perf and maybe like 40-50% GPU perf uplift, then go for the rtx 4080 MSI laptop. Even the cheapest on sale rtx 4080 laptops are around the $2300 to $2500 mark. And remember, this is the rtx 4070 in reality.
This an excellent point you've picked up stephen, and I do hope you cover the launch prices of these laptops as well just to show people how much nvidia is ripping them off. For example, the rtx 3060 launch price was $1000 on laptops, same as the rtx 4050. RTX 3070's launch price was $1400. You already know the rtx 4070's launch price and the rtx 4080's launch price. Mind you, ampere launched in pandemic + crypto + Shortages. So whats nvidia's excuse for much higher hikes in price now? People really do forget ampere's launch prices on laptops were reasonable.
Hey Eric, yeah, totally. That is amazing value right there!
@@OWNORDISOWN Yeah, i edited my comment too so you might see some extra points mentioned too.
But even if we consider the launch prices, the rtx 3000 series is FAR better value. This is me NOT using sales or anything of the sort. RTX 3060 launched at $1000. RTX 3070 launched at $1400. This ain't the case for rtx 4000.
I don't know what to tell you Stephen. I was looking to buy a rtx 4000 series laptop but the price/performance on offer is simply horrendous. I thought the rtx 4060 laptops might launch close to $1000 in my region like rtx 3060 laptops did, but nope. RTX 4050 laptops will cost that much AFTER sales. Otherwise its $1300 for them. And last gen? I don't want last gen performance, I didn't wait 5, almost 6 years to buy last gen performance for the same price.
And I am sure europe has similar prices too. Very expensive crap rtx 4000 is.
I have a laptop with 5900HX + 3080. Seems the performance improvements are marginal enough for my case that I can skip this generation.
Yeah, I think so. A 4080 is only about 20 to 25% faster...
Vector 78hx soon
Can't wait!
If this 4080 model came with only 32GB of ram and 1TB of SSD, the price would reduce more.
Yes definitely
This laptop is a huge disappointment. After owning it for a mere 4 days I am returning it. Despite the very nice colours and brightness, there is huge backlight bleed as so many have reported/shown, blacks are nearly blue, and one corner glows much more than the others. No G-sync was a huge mistake, as this laptop is unable to provide consistent frame-pacing without it(even with dGpu activated). The laptop also gets so hot on the deck you can burn your skin.(bad choice to use metal as I now have learned)
The speakers are pretty nice but sadly I also have the crackling sound in BF but it can happen way before 87 degrees, mine was doing it on silent mode at 75 degrees, another RUclipsr shows it doing it on Fortnite too!
The keyboard looks kinda dated and cheap in real life, and the laptop and power supply look more dated in person than they do online. The RGB bar isn't as bright as it looks on camera either and the keyboard RGB is not as vibrant so the colours can't match up and look a pretty washed out on the keyboard compared to the bar.
I spent probably 24 hours of the 4 days just trying to get my games to look smooth. The framerates are great, but the frame pacing is awful, v-sync does little to help, none of the Nvidia/MSI centre/bios settings helped, updates, ddu, fresh driver, undervolting, turning off E-cores, playing with power settings both in the bios and in MSI/Nvidia/Windows. Nothing would give me smooth frame-pacing.
At a complete loss with this laptop, the firmware/drivers are terrible, MSI centre runs extremely slow, and I'm not waiting around for the fix when they couldn't even quality-control that backlight bleed on a 3k + laptop.
Sorry for wall of text, hope somebody finds it useful!
Definetly criminal for that price
Thanks for your in-depth analysis Owen. I think all these 13th gen 32 thread laptops have issues with poor 1% lows, my GT77HX is definitely better and it only has a 3070Ti. Hidevolution told me the speakers on the GE78HX were blown, but I was also getting the crackling with headphones. Seemed like an electrical interference issue to me.
MSI GT77 and GE78- no update BIOS! or dead laptop.
Did that happen to you?
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nvdia castrated laptop 4060 and 4070 heavily
Yeah, they did. That's why I refuse to buy one. I'll get one from Hidevolution or a gentechpc as a review unit.
The RGB diarhea is making my eyes hurt. Who are the 12 year olds who can even afford a laptop like this?
Lol
I tried to explain last year when Apple put prices up on the MB Air M2 that this was due to 30% inflation in the tech sector, but the Windows mob claimed Apple was ripping everyone off. Now, they get to see the reality of an inflationary economy with OEMs no longer able to subsidise the background inflation. As I said then, buy the previous model if you cannot justify the latest price and Apple did well in keeping the older Air on sale. I expect this year to have further inflationary pressure, so next-gen is also likely to be more expensive still, so waiting it out may not be viable.
It is a shame for those in their upgrade cycle end as they face very expensive pricing.
Very true, we will reach a point where there won't be much demand and prices will have to drop.
That's not how inflation works. Nvidia is jacking up pricing to increase profit margins, not to push cost-push inflation onto consumers. They are making smaller die products and selling them at larger die prices.
3k is ridiculous for a laptop
Yeah, you have to be a programmer to afford that price!
I take it your both children 😂
No.
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MSI GE77hx was premium looking but GE78hx looks like every other laptop in the market, it does not look good.