Green generally means stronger in the force or purely follow the force so it makes sense that people like qui gon yoda and later Luke wield green sabers and why sidious would fear them
He didnt "fear" qui-gon for his capabilities, he feared him cause of his free thinking and wisdom, not being blinded by the jedis ignorance and politics, he did however fear Lukes capabilities and potential, they're 2 different types of fears
He feared Qui-Gon because of his un ignorant nature and overall awareness of the darksides influence in the Republic! He knew qui-gon is the only one who could unravel all his plans.
@@givesrespect8788 dont even tell me, im watching Stupendous wave for so long ! and i was asking the same question in EVERY VIDEO about this music, and no one ever replied, i found it absolutely randomly in warhammer 40k video and since then, i play it in a loop for year now !
I think the emperor was in general wise to change his plan from killing Luke to turning him though it was not going to work at all. I like to imagine if the emperor did pull off he force Luke and Mara to marry yet forbidden each other from leaving or killing each other so darkening the Skywalker bloodline even more
While Stupendous Wave doesn’t do what ifs (if rarely), what would it have looked like if Luke joined Vader? Was it Luke’s power by itself Vader was interested in, or was it the combination of Luke being powerful and his son that he had a vested interest in? What would Luke’s training as a with have looked like compared to his fathers?
Luke is ultimately the Jedi that Qui-Gon would have made Anakin into. Not a dogmatic and brainwashed lapdog of the Republic, but a follower of the will of the Force itself. That is why Sidious wanted Qui-Gon dead, and most likely why he wanted Luke to die at first too. Were it not for the power within Luke, Sidious would never have tried to turn him.
if i remember correctly luke directly told mara that had she been there she would have sucseeded to afther mara told him about that. also, that thriology is realy great, and i wish that was used for the sequal insted. you have a new republic there and a new threat appearing, you have something that can be used as a sith but is not the main bad guy, insted there is someone that is extremly gifted with tactics instead that is defeting the new republic in every single battle and on almost all the other fronts to. only thing he did not manage was capturing the main cast. he manages to frame the one new republic admiral that is potentialy dangerous so he is not a factor for any of the early battles either and it acctualy shows in a good way that even with the emperor dead the fight is far from won.
@TheStupendousWave Hey I just had a crazy idea and a bit of a theory based on some things and coincidences I have found while researching Shii-Cho. You see I had found somewhere, I can't remember where, but somebody had theorized that Shii-Cho and Juyo were once a single style, with Shii-Cho, due to how both styles are aggressive, persistent, and unpredictable in nature. I don't remember where I found this, but this individual had said that the original style had been split into two seperate styles, Shii-Cho being the basics for that form to best utilize a Lightsaber, how to get used to using it, and how to let yourself go into the force and allow it to guide your movements while dealing with multiple opponents. Meanwhile Juyo were the more advanced techniques that would not only allow the user to further advanced their basics, but also allow the user to tap into their own passions, using the principles of Shii-Cho to not only guide, but control their passion in a way that doesn't lead them to the Dark Side, all the while focusing all that they have learned onto a single opponent. If this theory is true, then maybe they split the style into two in order to try and get rid of Juyo due to the risk of the "advanced techniques". Also I was wondering, how would you describe how dangerous a Lightsaber form of a Shii-Cho and Juyo Mix would be when fully Mastered? I would love to see a video on this theoretical lightsaber style^^
Palpatine is smart but his down fall was never luke or the jedi all sith kill themselves with arrogance and greed it never fails ...just as u said he tried to kill him then changed his mind
Also as pointed out in their conversation in ESB, it was Vader that opened Palpatine up to the idea that Luke could be turned to their cause. In either case the Emperor believed that any move against Luke would have to be done before he became a Jedi Knight, since he felt by then the boy would become powerful enough to be capable of destroying him (Palpatine). So if Vader could not turn him before that, he would have to destroy the boy. Not in the dialog; And if Vader could kill Luke, his own son, then Vader would finally break the chains of his old life as Anakin and become as powerful as he should be. Even though that would mean that Vader would become a threat to himself, as is the way of the Sith.
@@toastedtarts4044to a degree they limited him from physically harnessing the force either LS or DS, but it was also his mental state, his hold on his former self and the feelings of Anakin that also held him back to a very real degree, from the Trauma physical, emotional and mental he had staggering prowess, but severely limited nonetheless. If Vader could rid himself of Anakin and so banish the final, dying spark of light inside, he could access even more of the DS and possibly circumvent his injuries to a degree. Imo
@@toastedtarts4044 Lucas said that Anakin could’ve been twice as power as Palpatine, but lost half of his connection to the Force by Mustafar, and yet never realized more than 80% of Palpatine’s power. And a theme between him and Vader was for him to effectively let his old attachments to his life as Anakin die, which became part of the Sith way. The Sith view attachments (as well as their past lives as something that makes) them weaker. Sort of like metaphorical chains that mentally shackle them to their past weaker none Sith selves. So long as those their old life and attachments live, they will always be held back from the goal of any self-respecting Sith of obtaining total power.
EU was so much better than what we now have. Some many interconnected stories. I totally loved how Mara Jade here ends up as Luke's wife and mother of his son furthering the Skywalker bloodline as a result. The irony lol.
Yeah... That WAS A Thought process wasn't it...???: Palpatine sees Luke: Think I'll kill you/have you killed... Sees Luke's Power an LITERALLY beat Vader down in front of him: Na, know what... Changed my mind.. you can live after all... Offers him a place to get refused: *deep sigh* Fine .. I'll kill you myself
Palpy should have feared Rey. His granddaughter. But something... something... darkside. Oh and he REALLY should have feared electrocuting himself. Really should have feared that.
I read the zahn books back when they came out and I was not a fan. The Villian was a straight up Mary Sue and the main characters felt watered down, there are other complaints I had as well. The Jedi Academy Trilogy felt like an expansion fo the movies along with many other books that came out around that time.
Since this was a dangerous gamble with powerful Force Users, he only wanted powerful Force Users involved. Anything short of that, wouldn’t work. If Luke could survive attempts by other Force Users, he would indeed be as powerful as he feared and hoped. And if he could be turned to his side by Vader, “he would be a powerful asset.” But, “he can destroy us”…”he must not be allowed to become a Jedi Knight.” The other factor in this was how strong and trustworthy Vader was or could be. If Vader instead decided to and was up to the task of killing Luke, then Vader would finally be free of the chains that bound him to Anakin, and become as powerful as Palpatine or more so. Which also meant that Vader might poss a threat to himself, as is the way of the Sith. Or if Vader proved clever enough to turn Luke to his (Vader’s) plan to usurp him (Palpatine), it would also mean that Vader was strong enough to break free of his chains that bound him his master (Palpatine) as become more powerful for it. In any event, his legacy (Palpatine’s) and that of the Sith would be secured in the hands of a worthy successor/s. “Just as I have foreseen.”
@@eds1942 clone troopers killed hundreds of Jedi with blaster rifles. Luke wasn't going to block 100 capital ship turbolasers. He wasn't even able to block the Emperors lightning.
@@kirkdavis2881 Most of this was based on Palpatine’s communication with Vader in ESB when Han Solo aboard the Millennium Falcon was dodging 3 star destroyers and their fighter wings. I think that it’s safe to say that Luke would’ve got through that fine. Did Luke even know about his Force Lightning? The bulk of his training under Yoda and Obi-Wan was geared towards giving Luke the knowledge, experience and proficiency to become a Knight and what he would need to defeat Vader. What we got about training him to face the Emperor amounted to “Don’t underestimate his power.” And from Luke’s reaction to Palpatine’s use of the Force to release his binders on the Death Star 2, I’m not sure they even told him that the Emperor could use the Force. Palpatine: “And how is the boy’s training coming along?” Yoda: “Made fun of my home, he did!”
Palpatine has a problem with Jedi with green Lightsabers. Lol
Should have sent the Green Lantern ehhh? Uhhhh never mind, too much.
Fr tho dude hates green it seems😂😂
Qui-Gon, Yoda, Luke... Yep, all green. Palpatine fears the Greens. Maybe Plaguis used a green lightsaber to burn Palps back when he was an apprentice.
Because green means strong in the force and blue means strong in combat
Green generally means stronger in the force or purely follow the force so it makes sense that people like qui gon yoda and later Luke wield green sabers and why sidious would fear them
Palpatine feared Qui-Gon then, and he feared Luke later.
He didnt "fear" qui-gon for his capabilities, he feared him cause of his free thinking and wisdom, not being blinded by the jedis ignorance and politics, he did however fear Lukes capabilities and potential, they're 2 different types of fears
He feared Qui-Gon because of his un ignorant nature and overall awareness of the darksides influence in the Republic! He knew qui-gon is the only one who could unravel all his plans.
His ultimate contigency plan after Return of the Jedi: Kathleen Kennedy.
Yeah. You are not wrong
Yeah but she went too far. She not only killed Luke but the whole franchise.
I understand why Palpatine was so scared. But he also was curious. Such power and potential of Luke. He had to see it. May the Force be with you too😊
He had a plan for everything! Imagine what it would be like to share a meal with him!
Palpatine feared Luke and knew Luke could destroy him. So it would make sense he would have a contingency plan to destroy Luke
Well he failed
Of course
Really???@@Tuturial464
At 8:06 I for some reason thought that he was gonna say "what the skywalker bloodline was cookin" 😅
Oh one of them definitely got cooked
Please, never NEVER stop using mattia cupeli dark ambience soundtrack in videos ❤️🧡💛💚
Do you hear my thoughts? I just thought what is this background music he always plays and bam your comment in the feed
@@givesrespect8788 dont even tell me, im watching Stupendous wave for so long ! and i was asking the same question in EVERY VIDEO about this music, and no one ever replied, i found it absolutely randomly in warhammer 40k video and since then, i play it in a loop for year now !
Brilliant video as always.
I love that you mention Mara Jane wasn’t allowed on the ship for Luke’s execution from Heir to the Empire 📕.
I think the emperor was in general wise to change his plan from killing Luke to turning him though it was not going to work at all. I like to imagine if the emperor did pull off he force Luke and Mara to marry yet forbidden each other from leaving or killing each other so darkening the Skywalker bloodline even more
Though I will admit canon does have good moments and ideas but I prefer Legends Luke marrying Mara Jade is one of them.
Read many fan fictions where Palpy forces Mara and Luke to marry.
@@majesticmsfcNo this just me dancing around my own what “what-if” while trying to image what I would if had the Emperor’s mind set and view point
While Stupendous Wave doesn’t do what ifs (if rarely), what would it have looked like if Luke joined Vader? Was it Luke’s power by itself Vader was interested in, or was it the combination of Luke being powerful and his son that he had a vested interest in? What would Luke’s training as a with have looked like compared to his fathers?
Luke is ultimately the Jedi that Qui-Gon would have made Anakin into. Not a dogmatic and brainwashed lapdog of the Republic, but a follower of the will of the Force itself. That is why Sidious wanted Qui-Gon dead, and most likely why he wanted Luke to die at first too. Were it not for the power within Luke, Sidious would never have tried to turn him.
Another masterpiece as usual! 💯💯💯💯🫡🫡🫡
The fact that Jaba saved his life
Appreciate your work. The legends books are so good.
The consistency plan was named “Bob Iger”
I love stupendous wave. He’s rlly good imo
Funny, I only just finished reading Heir to the Empire, on Dark Force Rising now.
Day 581 of asking for a part 3 of what if anakin was trained by qui gon
"I find your persistence and faith . . . Inspiring."
Vader . . .probably!
if i remember correctly luke directly told mara that had she been there she would have sucseeded to afther mara told him about that.
also, that thriology is realy great, and i wish that was used for the sequal insted. you have a new republic there and a new threat appearing, you have something that can be used as a sith but is not the main bad guy, insted there is someone that is extremly gifted with tactics instead that is defeting the new republic in every single battle and on almost all the other fronts to. only thing he did not manage was capturing the main cast. he manages to frame the one new republic admiral that is potentialy dangerous so he is not a factor for any of the early battles either and it acctualy shows in a good way that even with the emperor dead the fight is far from won.
But how did Palpatine knew that Vader offered Luke to rule together?
@TheStupendousWave Hey I just had a crazy idea and a bit of a theory based on some things and coincidences I have found while researching Shii-Cho. You see I had found somewhere, I can't remember where, but somebody had theorized that Shii-Cho and Juyo were once a single style, with Shii-Cho, due to how both styles are aggressive, persistent, and unpredictable in nature. I don't remember where I found this, but this individual had said that the original style had been split into two seperate styles, Shii-Cho being the basics for that form to best utilize a Lightsaber, how to get used to using it, and how to let yourself go into the force and allow it to guide your movements while dealing with multiple opponents. Meanwhile Juyo were the more advanced techniques that would not only allow the user to further advanced their basics, but also allow the user to tap into their own passions, using the principles of Shii-Cho to not only guide, but control their passion in a way that doesn't lead them to the Dark Side, all the while focusing all that they have learned onto a single opponent. If this theory is true, then maybe they split the style into two in order to try and get rid of Juyo due to the risk of the "advanced techniques".
Also I was wondering, how would you describe how dangerous a Lightsaber form of a Shii-Cho and Juyo Mix would be when fully Mastered? I would love to see a video on this theoretical lightsaber style^^
What was All of the weapons of General Grievous and what what was his Personal lightsaber style?
Palpatine is smart but his down fall was never luke or the jedi all sith kill themselves with arrogance and greed it never fails ...just as u said he tried to kill him then changed his mind
Also as pointed out in their conversation in ESB, it was Vader that opened Palpatine up to the idea that Luke could be turned to their cause. In either case the Emperor believed that any move against Luke would have to be done before he became a Jedi Knight, since he felt by then the boy would become powerful enough to be capable of destroying him (Palpatine). So if Vader could not turn him before that, he would have to destroy the boy.
Not in the dialog; And if Vader could kill Luke, his own son, then Vader would finally break the chains of his old life as Anakin and become as powerful as he should be. Even though that would mean that Vader would become a threat to himself, as is the way of the Sith.
Wasn’t the injuries vader got as anakin what held him back from full abilities?
@@toastedtarts4044to a degree they limited him from physically harnessing the force either LS or DS, but it was also his mental state, his hold on his former self and the feelings of Anakin that also held him back to a very real degree, from the Trauma physical, emotional and mental he had staggering prowess, but severely limited nonetheless. If Vader could rid himself of Anakin and so banish the final, dying spark of light inside, he could access even more of the DS and possibly circumvent his injuries to a degree. Imo
@@toastedtarts4044 Lucas said that Anakin could’ve been twice as power as Palpatine, but lost half of his connection to the Force by Mustafar, and yet never realized more than 80% of Palpatine’s power.
And a theme between him and Vader was for him to effectively let his old attachments to his life as Anakin die, which became part of the Sith way. The Sith view attachments (as well as their past lives as something that makes) them weaker. Sort of like metaphorical chains that mentally shackle them to their past weaker none Sith selves. So long as those their old life and attachments live, they will always be held back from the goal of any self-respecting Sith of obtaining total power.
EU was so much better than what we now have. Some many interconnected stories. I totally loved how Mara Jade here ends up as Luke's wife and mother of his son furthering the Skywalker bloodline as a result. The irony lol.
What happened to the merch site?
Yeah... That WAS A Thought process wasn't it...???:
Palpatine sees Luke: Think I'll kill you/have you killed...
Sees Luke's Power an LITERALLY beat Vader down in front of him: Na, know what... Changed my mind.. you can live after all...
Offers him a place to get refused: *deep sigh* Fine .. I'll kill you myself
“His death, at least at the time of course”. In case we forgot what Disney did… 😢
Mara Jade:" I were supposed to kill you.
But fuck it, lets get married."
Palpy should have feared Rey. His granddaughter. But something... something... darkside. Oh and he REALLY should have feared electrocuting himself. Really should have feared that.
I read the zahn books back when they came out and I was not a fan. The Villian was a straight up Mary Sue and the main characters felt watered down, there are other complaints I had as well. The Jedi Academy Trilogy felt like an expansion fo the movies along with many other books that came out around that time.
I'm more familiar with jedi academy but your right that series feels like it's rotj dlc lol
Do you mean Thrawn is Mary Sue or Mara Jade
@@Hello-bi1pm thrawn was definitely a Gary Stu/Mary Sue. I do not even remember much about Jade.
did it work?
I would guess having darth vader lose an ally in boba fett was enough of a victory on tattooine. Let luke live long enough to destroy his own father.
Why didnt ezra exploit kenobi’s location to kanan or rex?? Besides plot armor i mean probably kenobi wouldve declined anyways but still
So Jabba basically saved Luke’s life.
Crazy💀
Interesting
Palpatine: kill luke skywalker
Mara jade: ok
Mara jade: marries him instead
Palpatine: No this is not how you play the game
Voice sounds off, different mic or sick?
ORDER 66
If you really want Luke dead, send 3 Star Destroyers and unleash on Jabbas Palace.
Since this was a dangerous gamble with powerful Force Users, he only wanted powerful Force Users involved. Anything short of that, wouldn’t work.
If Luke could survive attempts by other Force Users, he would indeed be as powerful as he feared and hoped. And if he could be turned to his side by Vader, “he would be a powerful asset.” But, “he can destroy us”…”he must not be allowed to become a Jedi Knight.”
The other factor in this was how strong and trustworthy Vader was or could be.
If Vader instead decided to and was up to the task of killing Luke, then Vader would finally be free of the chains that bound him to Anakin, and become as powerful as Palpatine or more so. Which also meant that Vader might poss a threat to himself, as is the way of the Sith. Or if Vader proved clever enough to turn Luke to his (Vader’s) plan to usurp him (Palpatine), it would also mean that Vader was strong enough to break free of his chains that bound him his master (Palpatine) as become more powerful for it.
In any event, his legacy (Palpatine’s) and that of the Sith would be secured in the hands of a worthy successor/s. “Just as I have foreseen.”
@@eds1942 clone troopers killed hundreds of Jedi with blaster rifles. Luke wasn't going to block 100 capital ship turbolasers. He wasn't even able to block the Emperors lightning.
@@kirkdavis2881 Most of this was based on Palpatine’s communication with Vader in ESB when Han Solo aboard the Millennium Falcon was dodging 3 star destroyers and their fighter wings. I think that it’s safe to say that Luke would’ve got through that fine.
Did Luke even know about his Force Lightning? The bulk of his training under Yoda and Obi-Wan was geared towards giving Luke the knowledge, experience and proficiency to become a Knight and what he would need to defeat Vader. What we got about training him to face the Emperor amounted to “Don’t underestimate his power.” And from Luke’s reaction to Palpatine’s use of the Force to release his binders on the Death Star 2, I’m not sure they even told him that the Emperor could use the Force.
Palpatine:
“And how is the boy’s training coming along?”
Yoda:
“Made fun of my home, he did!”
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