@@skog5351 i personally think bodybuilders have chubby heads cuz they eat so much and dont train their face as much as the rest of their body so the weight just stays and keeps gaining over time
@@heightdevil particularly extremely unnatural supra-physiological amounts of HGH that also come with extremely high levels of insulin and igf-1 production. Natural healthy levels of HGH are very good for you.
It's also evident on natties, just less evident because they've put on less lean mass overall. Face is literally muscles. You're gonna grow them if u get bigger.
You're making a valid point. I've had defined face at 14, weighing 130 and around 5'7, now I'm 5'10 still weighing the same. The difference is that I workout now
Funniest thing is that if you are trying to date, you should look opposite of this. Muscles and being big are cool, not at the cost of your facial aesthetics.
thats why masculine-pretty boys have the most sucess with young women. they are masculine enough but not to an absurd level. but also are lean and have some muscle to enhance their body
@@maximusthegoat8034 His abdominals were sticking past his chest and he looked like a dieted down DYEL. If you find this perfect then it's time to rethink your priorities.
Getting big doesn't mean u can't get chiseled. It's just harder to appear so. One, you're eating more food which contributes bloat. Two, u got more muscle on face, which isn't a problem in n of itself, it's the potential bloat which comes when glycogen is stored on those muscles, or if there's spillover. Nothing some dieting can't fix tho.
the reality is that they are still very overweight men, and since the bodyfat % is literally a percentage, amount of fat spread across a 120kg man may not look significant but they are still 120kg men, you're never going to look like a 70kg leanmaxxer
Exactly, if your abb musculature is huge enough it will still be visible even if you are obese. Just cause you see someones abbs doesn't necessarily mean they are lean.
Both catabolic and anabolic steroids can give you a puffy "moon" face. Apart from that there are a lot of reasons for not having a lean face. Although Im decently muscular, Ive never had more than 10% bf in my life. But despite like 7% bf, I really had a round puffy babyface in my early twenties and for me it was water retention from excessive salt consumption and stress and eating way too often.
I also think the PEDs cause a lot of water retention. Besides that It may change the way fat is distributed. The distribution of fat isn't spread evenly
So true. I have abs and a natty, my face never bloated that way. But everytime I try to bulk up (too much) and my cheeks just puff up, I hate it esp since I'm 40 now.
Supplements could be the reason why gym bros have bloated face. Doing regular cardio and later strength training could be an effective way to get overall low body fat and lean muscles at the same time.
Yo, man. I just happen to stumble upon you from the latest Goatis video. But I still remember you from the other/older YT channel you used to have! Congrats on the success, man. Inspiring stuff.
I over bulked earlier in the year and it gave me a giant head and neck and now I can’t get rid of it. Nothing to do with PED’s or HGH for me. Was just from eating too much. I’ve lost the weight everywhere else on my body. But my head is still fat and so is my neck
Very cool and all but spacex just caught a rocket, I had no need to bring this up as it has nothing to do with anything, I just feel like historic achievements come rarely. And yes, if you work on your body without working on your face, you're doing it wrong.
Depends. Facial fat does tend to make you look youthful and spunky. Facial fat and volume in the mid-face, lining the upper cheekbones is a very good aesthetic. A lot of fat on and below the jawline, not so much.
Hgh. That is the answer. Mike has like he had the what response to hgh I've seen 😂. I just watched the video and i neve thought about proportions like that. This guy definetly makes sense. Thanks for education.
I am underweight (178cm 60kg) but visible abs (good lightning makes a huge difference), I would say my physique is similar to Jordan except he is less muscular then me, however my face still has a bloated look, I have big cheeks when I smile. It could just be fat storage or lack of forward growth.
There is indeed a noticeable aesthetic difference between someone with well-developed fascia and muscles versus someone with just large muscles. The fascia, which is the connective tissue surrounding the muscles, plays a significant role in muscle shape and definition. When fascia is flexible, healthy, and well-developed, it allows the muscles to “pop” more distinctly, leading to a more sculpted, defined look. This can give the muscles a more athletic, sinewy appearance, where individual muscle groups are more visible and separated. In contrast, someone with just large muscles but less developed fascia may have bulk and size, but the muscles might appear more rounded or blocky, without as much definition between them. The separation between muscle groups can be less pronounced, leading to a softer look overall, even if the muscles are big. Functionally, well-developed fascia also contributes to greater flexibility, movement efficiency, and injury prevention, while large muscles without fascia development might be more prone to tightness and less optimal movement patterns.
When people say "abs on a skinny guy don't count", they're not trying to say the skinny guy isn't lean, they're trying to say he's ONLY lean. The point is that if you're skinny you don't need well developed abs for them to be visible, you get it for free from being so skinny.
Weasley vissers face was the main one in recent years that really stuck out to me. I knew it was due too anabolics but found it interesting how thick someone’s face could get.
It’s the estrogen from PEDS and depends on which PEDS you use, I’ve done lots of stacks and depending on what I use I can get a super cut face like or a bloated look
@@roseivory8496 tren and masteron with out much test seems to give a very chiseled look, tren burns fat like crazy and masterone stops estrogen conversion, I’ve mixed this with Eq as well as clenbutarol, but it doesn’t mean you should use these all the time tren is a harder steroid, and don’t be to afraid of steroids that cause bloat because usually they are safer/less harsh and give good muscle gains, usually I’ll start a cycle of steroids that give more bloat like deca and dianabol to get back the lost size while I was off cycle since they are good for muscle gains and a lot safer and easier on the body, and they burn fat too, and if you add masteron or a anti estrogen they don’t even bloat that much at all, Arnold swarzeneger used most dianabol and no one would call him bloated, anyway once I have more size and lost most the fat, then I’ll switch to tren with masteron and clenbutarol to remove the remainder of the fat and get a chiseled look to my face, it all depends on your priorities if your not looking to get huge you could run a micro dose of tren and masterone almost none stop, there was a study done on rats using testosterone in one group and micro dosing tren on the other group it turned out over a long period a micro dose of tren got ride of more viseral fat and the rats had healthier stats then the group on the higher dose of test, I did blast and cruise on roids for 3 years straight part of my cruise was often on micro dosis of tren and test and masterone and it worked fine with no health issues, I think roids are safe on small doses but like all things when you abuse them they cause issues and I think that’s where body builders have problems because you can get good results with low doses of roids but to get amazing results you need to absolutely abuse them to get the body to go past limits it was never designed to go, you can get a lean with large but not huge muscles on a low dose, but to get the extra super shredded and monster size you need to take absolutely abusive doses that just isn’t worth it in my opinion
Interesting channel and take. I wouldn't say Olympia competitors are not "lean" however - they are by demonstrable measurements. You're saying they carry more fat "despite" being very lean. But the model guy you showed isn't 4% body fat - he's skinny, for sure, but no muscle mass at all, so his true body fat will be higher due to the lack of muscle and, probably, bone. You look at a guy like Wesley Vissers, who won the Arnold Classic. He had a DEXA done a few weeks out at 5% ish if memory serves. His face is sunken, but because he's 6' 3" and simply weighs far more, obviously his head and face will be a bit bigger. Still very lean looking though. Wes doesn't do the amount of PEDs other guys do, so that may very well contribute - but those other guys, like CBum? LEAN. You don't have striations in your glutes without being absolutely shredded. I seriously doubt any smaller, skinnier dude can see a striation anywhere, let alone in his glutes. So it's more of a distribution thing - you don't train your face. You actually "can" spot-reduce to a point (interesting study on that), so that may be the other reason faces hold on to fat a bit longer. But "death face" is an expression in our sport for a reason.
I almost click off and then he got it right! 1. I am currently about 13% body fat at 230lbs. If my lean mass was average but my fat was the same... 2. The muscles in the face get bigger and take up space. Try clenching your teeth for 1.5hrs a day as you lift crazy weights before chewing 5,000 calories a day. Loads of lifters wear mouth gaurds because of the danger of cracking your own teeth while clenching.
your so smart im a big fan of you! You shouldn't forget that these bodybuilders you showed are unhealthy, very overweight people with complexes whose hearts are under so much more stress that they die earlier. A 150 kg bodybuilder is unhealthier than a 150 kg fat person , it's almost the same, which is why they age faster, look worse and they also die earlier
Its pretty simple, the absolute amount of fat on their bodies is much HIGHER even at a low bodyfat compared to a normal person. Look at this. at 110kgs. a 15% bodyfat equates to 16-17kgs of fat. If the same person was 70kgs, 15% bodyfat is only 10kgs of fat. Put that 6-7kgs of pure fat on anybody and watch their face become 'fat'. For the face its the absolute amount of fat on the person's body that determines the facial leaness, not the relative in terms of BF%. I noticed this as well at my heaviest and lightest throughout my gym journey. Thats why you'll never find a HUGE bodybuilder having a sharp jawline unless they're in context shape. It becomes harder and harder to maintain a nice face as your absolute mass increases. You'll need to maintain a lower and lower % bodyfat, which directly contradicts muscle gain conditions.
Facts. And pretty evident for anyone who has experience bulking, even as a natty. Your face contain muscles and fat. Your face is connected to your body, u put on muscle and fat and bloat, your face is gonna change as well, big shocker.
Real muscle is hard to build all of the pros are on steroids and carbs that’s why they have a fat face it’s sarcoplasmic just water under the muscle that’s why when they hop off they deflate also accelerated aging that’s why a lot of them are bald
You are overthinking it. It really is just the introduction of high dose gh. The reality is guys are sporting striated glutes, lower backs and hamstrings and still having bloated faces. The former phenomenons only occur when bf is in 5% range. Even on a 250 pound physique, 12.5 pounds of total body fat is not going to be distributed in such a way as to give a bloated face. The 10 iu+ protocols of gh will expand the jaw, forehead, and cheekbones in such a way as to give a bulbous facial look, and it really is that simple. Look at any bodybuilder in the pre gh era with similar conditioning to today's guys and they all had the lean, sunken in facial look you would expect at 5% bf
It is mostly steroids tho, if you look at natural body builders who compete in heavily drug tested competitions they don't have this puffy face look. People like eddy hall have abbs not because he has low body fat and its spread out over so much muscle, but because he has so much abb muscle that it shows even though he has a high body fat percentage. He can be overweight and still have visible abbs because his abb muscles are so extremely developed. But he is also using steroids as are all the body builder types as well.
It's not mostly steroids, weight gain is gonna change your face no matter if u like it. Steroids just make it more obvious because it accelerated that process
@@antinataliz9633 Yes, but have you ever seen someone lifting stuff with their face in the gym? The only effect the gym has on your face is to make it more lean. It doesn't grow your face, this is false and a stupid idea to believe.
@@Morgan-t3o u don't have to lift for facial muscles to grow. They grow by whole body tension and spillover, like when your bracing your body for heavy squats, or pushing near your max for a bench, guess what genius, your facial muscles are gonna be tensed and probably involuntarily contracted.
I get the problem at hand and everything and some of the points here were alright but in terms of the explanations given and the pseudo-attempts at reasons behind the phenomena you described, I can say that as a medical student with a specialty in body composition and exercise science that 90% of those were complete bullshit.
when you use steroids you can do whatever you want and still get muscle, these dudes eat a lot and still get muscle anyways because it doesn't matter what they eat when their roided out, so they get fat faces, the only reason you can see their abs is not because their lean, but because their abs are so big from the steroids and as you said, the muscle disperses the fat, your face doesn't have muscles like that, so you can see it
I'm an amateur bodybuilder going for my pro card and can tell you right now 99% of this video is incorrect. It's a very simple combination of 3 factors. Over all body weight, water retention and body fat %. We aren't going to talk about GH or any particular drugs because, those all fall into water retention, same with estrogen, and peds. It all funnels down into a simple trifecta of those 3. Dallas Mcarver is a very disingenuous example to use, it's like picking Jordan Peterson and saying all bodybuilders get that old disgusting face, it's not true. I'm on peds and look like im in my 20's because of the low fat, water retention and bodyweight im sitting at. Go look at the NABBA athletes in Asia. Nabba is mostly asian bodybuilders on PEDS and you'll see they don't have this problem at all, they stay much more lean in the off season and don't go to the extremes the North Americans do. Also the video is only showing the crazy genetic elites of bodybuilding...As you showed Dallas Mcarver....a literal mr.olympia contender. Why not show a local show guy? maybe a national show guy. now 1 out of 10 people in the entire planet doesn't really make any sense. As a side note, crash course on GH use. it takes YEARS to have any type of significant growth that is even noticeable or measurable unless you are slamming down 10iu+ a day (and it's extremely expensive) good video super fun to watch, I just wanted to share from a bodybuilder point of view since we are usually mis labelled or understood by the general public
Is what you're saying like...proven? Or are you (no offense) just waffling? Saying "Yeah pharmacaeuticals may play a part" is crazy. They're the cause. Especially HGH. Look at Connor McGregor. Dude started taking HGH and his head doubled in size. Not to mention the fact that IFBB pros during contests are genuinely just insanely lean, to the point where it can't be maintained without just feeling like dogshit.
It's muscle. If you're gonna put on 20lbs lean muscle naturally you're gonna change your face too. Androgens simply accelerate that process so it makes it more obvious. And regarding HGH, it probably does affect but not like your face isn't already gonna change drastically from the weight gain alone.
@@antinataliz9633 Naturals don't gain much muscle in their face. The only way that could ever really happen is if you like...resistance trained your face? Don't know how you'd get very far doing so. When you take PEDs, they circulate through your body and affect everything irregardless of resistance training, which is why the face gains muscle too.
@@donthepsycho2018 if your gonna gain a huge amount of muscle over the long run, even if your a natural, your face is gonna change drastically. I realized this a long time ago, there is no way around it. Being natural doesn't mean your androgens stop affecting muscles from the neck up. Look up any natural bodybuilder, and compare their current faces versus say 20 lbs ago. And my point will be proven.
@@donthepsycho2018 I theorize that the facial muscles get some sort of stimulus from both someone's circulating androgens, as well as isometric tension from whole body exertion when they lift heavy. It's involuntary. U don't max out on the squat while putting on a relaxed face.
@@antinataliz9633Well yeah, but that tends to go in the neck if anything. A natty might get some mild facial change from long term heavy lifting, but not anywhere near so severe as all the big head bodybuilders. Roids.
hormones and roids, those cheaters. Do it properly or you deserves this. Great video though! Enlightening stuff. I do have abs as a skinny guy, but no hollow cheeks. I've been forcing myself to eat more in order to grow more muscle, but now I'm not sure what to do lol
Interesting, good research 💯 Also I've earned the face is not fat but lymph, the drainage of lymph will bring out your face where fat burning does not I have a 6.79 % bf at 195 lbs but have to do special measures to keep the cheeks hollow.
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neanderthalmaxxing
more like wojackMaxxing
Drugs make muscle grow, face has muscle, maybe thats why their face look thicc?
yeah, just check tom platz
No the use of steroids causes water retention in the face. They are fucking lean.
@@skog5351for him it kinda suits ngl
They are obese
@@skog5351 i personally think bodybuilders have chubby heads cuz they eat so much and dont train their face as much as the rest of their body so the weight just stays and keeps gaining over time
Simple, steroids.
And HGH
@@heightdevil particularly extremely unnatural supra-physiological amounts of HGH that also come with extremely high levels of insulin and igf-1 production. Natural healthy levels of HGH are very good for you.
Steroids don’t cause this skull growth please just stop
We've known this since Barry Bonds's head grew twice in size after he started heavy steroid use.
Just test doesn't give you bloated head. Look at 80s bodybuilders.
Their head becomes a thumb
You're right about that one!
Its obvious roids , water is wet
Is it though…
Typical zoomer who didn't even watch 1 minute of the video before commenting.
@@TactlessGuy ok old guy
It's also evident on natties, just less evident because they've put on less lean mass overall. Face is literally muscles. You're gonna grow them if u get bigger.
@@antinataliz9633You are just making stuff up
You're making a valid point. I've had defined face at 14, weighing 130 and around 5'7, now I'm 5'10 still weighing the same. The difference is that I workout now
i weigh like 135 at 6'5 lol
@@Owais39kWTF? You’re a stick I’m 6’5 aswell but I’m 176 and I felt skinny lmao.
@@denisn8336 yeah ik but I'm pretty young so idk what to do
@@Owais39k oh if your young then you’ll definitely bulk up eventually
@@denisn8336 im 15 Ive always eaten small
Dr. Mike needs to address this.
As a former gym bro i have to say that it's not attractive, i'll stick with the running and swimming.
Or you could workout in gym and don't use steroids, no?
Human Growth Hormone, my friend's. Even Sylvester Stallone has a bigger head then he usde to. It's one of the most used steroids.
Funniest thing is that if you are trying to date, you should look opposite of this. Muscles and being big are cool, not at the cost of your facial aesthetics.
thats why masculine-pretty boys have the most sucess with young women. they are masculine enough but not to an absurd level. but also are lean and have some muscle to enhance their body
Being this big isnt even efficient at anything in life besides lifting heavy stuff.
yeah ive heard alot about the ideal male physique is like brad pitt's character from fight club, Tyler Durden.
@@maximusthegoat8034 His abdominals were sticking past his chest and he looked like a dieted down DYEL. If you find this perfect then it's time to rethink your priorities.
Getting big doesn't mean u can't get chiseled. It's just harder to appear so. One, you're eating more food which contributes bloat. Two, u got more muscle on face, which isn't a problem in n of itself, it's the potential bloat which comes when glycogen is stored on those muscles, or if there's spillover. Nothing some dieting can't fix tho.
the reality is that they are still very overweight men, and since the bodyfat % is literally a percentage, amount of fat spread across a 120kg man may not look significant but they are still 120kg men, you're never going to look like a 70kg leanmaxxer
Exactly, if your abb musculature is huge enough it will still be visible even if you are obese. Just cause you see someones abbs doesn't necessarily mean they are lean.
seems like a product of growth hormone, prior to that being common, alot of the top olympia guys had lean faces. Dorian yates, Arnold, etc
Yes Human Growth hormone absolutely grows the face. Lifting weights does not.
Both catabolic and anabolic steroids can give you a puffy "moon" face. Apart from that there are a lot of reasons for not having a lean face. Although Im decently muscular, Ive never had more than 10% bf in my life. But despite like 7% bf, I really had a round puffy babyface in my early twenties and for me it was water retention from excessive salt consumption and stress and eating way too often.
Growth hormone and Roids. As simple as that. Save your time folks.
I also think the PEDs cause a lot of water retention. Besides that It may change the way fat is distributed. The distribution of fat isn't spread evenly
So true. I have abs and a natty, my face never bloated that way. But everytime I try to bulk up (too much) and my cheeks just puff up, I hate it esp since I'm 40 now.
"maybe the pharmaceuticals". lol i was literally saying out loud. "dude, that's it. that's literally it."
Why did the Golden Era bodybuilders' faces look so lean?
No hgh, less mass ergo less total fat mass, better genetics for fat distribution.
Supplements could be the reason why gym bros have bloated face.
Doing regular cardio and later strength training could be an effective way to get overall low body fat and lean muscles at the same time.
I think Eddie Hall has Abs because he uses his core in his compound exercises the core helps with stability and engagement -that's just me
Yeah that's dead on man, guy is still 350 Ibs and 25% body fat which is crazy but I would never trade for that kind of size to have a moon face
@@Edward_Rogers Exactly. To anyone who isn't familiar with powerlifting, which is 99.9% of people in the world, he just looks like a fat guy.
You actually have a valid point. Interesting thinking process
Yo, man. I just happen to stumble upon you from the latest Goatis video. But I still remember you from the other/older YT channel you used to have!
Congrats on the success, man. Inspiring stuff.
Their heads beome bigger but their brain smaller
7:35 that's crazy. I thought that was just some random dude.
Gear lol.
I over bulked earlier in the year and it gave me a giant head and neck and now I can’t get rid of it. Nothing to do with PED’s or HGH for me. Was just from eating too much.
I’ve lost the weight everywhere else on my body. But my head is still fat and so is my neck
Can you post a video guide of your looks maxing things u incorporated... you did a pretty good job for what you could
Bro pleaee talk about mewing. We want to know your opinion on it and if you have done it
Very cool and all but spacex just caught a rocket, I had no need to bring this up as it has nothing to do with anything, I just feel like historic achievements come rarely. And yes, if you work on your body without working on your face, you're doing it wrong.
Depends. Facial fat does tend to make you look youthful and spunky. Facial fat and volume in the mid-face, lining the upper cheekbones is a very good aesthetic. A lot of fat on and below the jawline, not so much.
Hgh. That is the answer. Mike has like he had the what response to hgh I've seen 😂.
I just watched the video and i neve thought about proportions like that. This guy definetly makes sense. Thanks for education.
I am underweight (178cm 60kg) but visible abs (good lightning makes a huge difference), I would say my physique is similar to Jordan except he is less muscular then me, however my face still has a bloated look, I have big cheeks when I smile. It could just be fat storage or lack of forward growth.
Really well thought out video, and a subtle warning against gym maxxing too hard
Most of those bodybuilders eat all day that can also be a factor in the hypertrophy of the facial muscles.
These guys are not shredded anymore even on stage like in 90s everyone had hollow cheeks
Your videos are sooo good your soo cool
4:37 bruh why are you hunched over like this LMAO
There is indeed a noticeable aesthetic difference between someone with well-developed fascia and muscles versus someone with just large muscles. The fascia, which is the connective tissue surrounding the muscles, plays a significant role in muscle shape and definition. When fascia is flexible, healthy, and well-developed, it allows the muscles to “pop” more distinctly, leading to a more sculpted, defined look. This can give the muscles a more athletic, sinewy appearance, where individual muscle groups are more visible and separated.
In contrast, someone with just large muscles but less developed fascia may have bulk and size, but the muscles might appear more rounded or blocky, without as much definition between them. The separation between muscle groups can be less pronounced, leading to a softer look overall, even if the muscles are big.
Functionally, well-developed fascia also contributes to greater flexibility, movement efficiency, and injury prevention, while large muscles without fascia development might be more prone to tightness and less optimal movement patterns.
Fascia arent visible outside the body.
When people say "abs on a skinny guy don't count", they're not trying to say the skinny guy isn't lean, they're trying to say he's ONLY lean. The point is that if you're skinny you don't need well developed abs for them to be visible, you get it for free from being so skinny.
Weasley vissers face was the main one in recent years that really stuck out to me. I knew it was due too anabolics but found it interesting how thick someone’s face could get.
It's muscle.
Good vid as always.
Its literally HGH, you have to understand that "roids" does not all mean the same thing
Very interesting. Thanks 😊
It’s the estrogen from PEDS and depends on which PEDS you use, I’ve done lots of stacks and depending on what I use I can get a super cut face like or a bloated look
Can you please tell me which stacks you used to achieve a lean, chiseled face and which stacks gave you the bloated, fat face?
Thank you in advance!
@@roseivory8496 tren and masteron with out much test seems to give a very chiseled look, tren burns fat like crazy and masterone stops estrogen conversion, I’ve mixed this with Eq as well as clenbutarol, but it doesn’t mean you should use these all the time tren is a harder steroid, and don’t be to afraid of steroids that cause bloat because usually they are safer/less harsh and give good muscle gains, usually I’ll start a cycle of steroids that give more bloat like deca and dianabol to get back the lost size while I was off cycle since they are good for muscle gains and a lot safer and easier on the body, and they burn fat too, and if you add masteron or a anti estrogen they don’t even bloat that much at all, Arnold swarzeneger used most dianabol and no one would call him bloated, anyway once I have more size and lost most the fat, then I’ll switch to tren with masteron and clenbutarol to remove the remainder of the fat and get a chiseled look to my face, it all depends on your priorities if your not looking to get huge you could run a micro dose of tren and masterone almost none stop, there was a study done on rats using testosterone in one group and micro dosing tren on the other group it turned out over a long period a micro dose of tren got ride of more viseral fat and the rats had healthier stats then the group on the higher dose of test, I did blast and cruise on roids for 3 years straight part of my cruise was often on micro dosis of tren and test and masterone and it worked fine with no health issues, I think roids are safe on small doses but like all things when you abuse them they cause issues and I think that’s where body builders have problems because you can get good results with low doses of roids but to get amazing results you need to absolutely abuse them to get the body to go past limits it was never designed to go, you can get a lean with large but not huge muscles on a low dose, but to get the extra super shredded and monster size you need to take absolutely abusive doses that just isn’t worth it in my opinion
@@roseivory8496use trt doses of test then stack with anavar or masteron for a lean look
Interesting channel and take. I wouldn't say Olympia competitors are not "lean" however - they are by demonstrable measurements. You're saying they carry more fat "despite" being very lean. But the model guy you showed isn't 4% body fat - he's skinny, for sure, but no muscle mass at all, so his true body fat will be higher due to the lack of muscle and, probably, bone. You look at a guy like Wesley Vissers, who won the Arnold Classic. He had a DEXA done a few weeks out at 5% ish if memory serves. His face is sunken, but because he's 6' 3" and simply weighs far more, obviously his head and face will be a bit bigger. Still very lean looking though. Wes doesn't do the amount of PEDs other guys do, so that may very well contribute - but those other guys, like CBum? LEAN. You don't have striations in your glutes without being absolutely shredded. I seriously doubt any smaller, skinnier dude can see a striation anywhere, let alone in his glutes. So it's more of a distribution thing - you don't train your face. You actually "can" spot-reduce to a point (interesting study on that), so that may be the other reason faces hold on to fat a bit longer. But "death face" is an expression in our sport for a reason.
can you make a vid on haircuts
Hey, you seen the video Goatis has made about you?
He reviewed one of your videos.
Creatine and high carb diets cause water retention.
Interesting video❤
I almost click off and then he got it right! 1. I am currently about 13% body fat at 230lbs. If my lean mass was average but my fat was the same... 2. The muscles in the face get bigger and take up space. Try clenching your teeth for 1.5hrs a day as you lift crazy weights before chewing 5,000 calories a day. Loads of lifters wear mouth gaurds because of the danger of cracking your own teeth while clenching.
great analysis
Best channel.
I wish I had a bloated head, they look very nice
your so smart im a big fan of you! You shouldn't forget that these bodybuilders you showed are unhealthy, very overweight people with complexes whose hearts are under so much more stress that they die earlier.
A 150 kg bodybuilder is unhealthier than a 150 kg fat person , it's almost the same, which is why they age faster, look worse and they also die earlier
The consumption of food plays a factor, too.
Good one 🎀
My theory is it's a combination of weak facial bone structure and/or excess muscle in face and/or lack of collagen due to too much testosterone/DHT.
Greg doucette video incoming
Nah.. it would be fun don't get me wrong, but I don't think Greg knows about this channel
Its pretty simple, the absolute amount of fat on their bodies is much HIGHER even at a low bodyfat compared to a normal person. Look at this. at 110kgs. a 15% bodyfat equates to 16-17kgs of fat. If the same person was 70kgs, 15% bodyfat is only 10kgs of fat. Put that 6-7kgs of pure fat on anybody and watch their face become 'fat'. For the face its the absolute amount of fat on the person's body that determines the facial leaness, not the relative in terms of BF%. I noticed this as well at my heaviest and lightest throughout my gym journey. Thats why you'll never find a HUGE bodybuilder having a sharp jawline unless they're in context shape. It becomes harder and harder to maintain a nice face as your absolute mass increases. You'll need to maintain a lower and lower % bodyfat, which directly contradicts muscle gain conditions.
Facts. And pretty evident for anyone who has experience bulking, even as a natty. Your face contain muscles and fat. Your face is connected to your body, u put on muscle and fat and bloat, your face is gonna change as well, big shocker.
Can neck curls help get a more defined jawline if you're already lean?
Bro you need to dark brown hair maxx
its partly a chicken and egg thing too. these guys never made good emos to begin with so they focused on being a bro
Real muscle is hard to build all of the pros are on steroids and carbs that’s why they have a fat face it’s sarcoplasmic just water under the muscle that’s why when they hop off they deflate also accelerated aging that’s why a lot of them are bald
Is that why ectomorph bodies likely look better for aesthetics and face?
ectomorhs struggle with apetite so yeah
Ectomorphs specialize in looking lean.
There is no such thing.
You are overthinking it. It really is just the introduction of high dose gh. The reality is guys are sporting striated glutes, lower backs and hamstrings and still having bloated faces. The former phenomenons only occur when bf is in 5% range. Even on a 250 pound physique, 12.5 pounds of total body fat is not going to be distributed in such a way as to give a bloated face. The 10 iu+ protocols of gh will expand the jaw, forehead, and cheekbones in such a way as to give a bulbous facial look, and it really is that simple. Look at any bodybuilder in the pre gh era with similar conditioning to today's guys and they all had the lean, sunken in facial look you would expect at 5% bf
5:52 This is .... 😢😢😢
It is mostly steroids tho, if you look at natural body builders who compete in heavily drug tested competitions they don't have this puffy face look.
People like eddy hall have abbs not because he has low body fat and its spread out over so much muscle, but because he has so much abb muscle that it shows even though he has a high body fat percentage. He can be overweight and still have visible abbs because his abb muscles are so extremely developed. But he is also using steroids as are all the body builder types as well.
It's not mostly steroids, weight gain is gonna change your face no matter if u like it. Steroids just make it more obvious because it accelerated that process
@@antinataliz9633 No, you are incorrect. Weight gain only changes your face if you are gaining fat.
@@Morgan-t3o face has muscles mow Ron
@@antinataliz9633 Yes, but have you ever seen someone lifting stuff with their face in the gym?
The only effect the gym has on your face is to make it more lean.
It doesn't grow your face, this is false and a stupid idea to believe.
@@Morgan-t3o u don't have to lift for facial muscles to grow. They grow by whole body tension and spillover, like when your bracing your body for heavy squats, or pushing near your max for a bench, guess what genius, your facial muscles are gonna be tensed and probably involuntarily contracted.
cbum is good tho
3:16
Fat cells ❌
Fatcels ✅
5:00 It can be cheatted, buccal fat removal surgery lol
Thank you
I get the problem at hand and everything and some of the points here were alright but in terms of the explanations given and the pseudo-attempts at reasons behind the phenomena you described, I can say that as a medical student with a specialty in body composition and exercise science that 90% of those were complete bullshit.
Moonmaxxing
ON A FARM!? 🗣
when you use steroids you can do whatever you want and still get muscle, these dudes eat a lot and still get muscle anyways because it doesn't matter what they eat when their roided out, so they get fat faces, the only reason you can see their abs is not because their lean, but because their abs are so big from the steroids and as you said, the muscle disperses the fat, your face doesn't have muscles like that, so you can see it
probably, idk tho
muscle does not "disperse" fat, the guys shown in the video are extremely lean. their faces and guts are bloated from steroid/gh usage
also steroids dont just grow muscles magically. these guys train hard af and follow strict diets. think before you post man
Dude has no idea
@adam-szilagyi if their diets and training are so good, then why do they need steroids, oh yeah, because it magically grows their muscles, why else
Steroids bros* fixed that
and the voice too, they all sound like Joe Rogan LMAO
I'm an amateur bodybuilder going for my pro card and can tell you right now 99% of this video is incorrect. It's a very simple combination of 3 factors. Over all body weight, water retention and body fat %. We aren't going to talk about GH or any particular drugs because, those all fall into water retention, same with estrogen, and peds. It all funnels down into a simple trifecta of those 3. Dallas Mcarver is a very disingenuous example to use, it's like picking Jordan Peterson and saying all bodybuilders get that old disgusting face, it's not true. I'm on peds and look like im in my 20's because of the low fat, water retention and bodyweight im sitting at. Go look at the NABBA athletes in Asia. Nabba is mostly asian bodybuilders on PEDS and you'll see they don't have this problem at all, they stay much more lean in the off season and don't go to the extremes the North Americans do. Also the video is only showing the crazy genetic elites of bodybuilding...As you showed Dallas Mcarver....a literal mr.olympia contender. Why not show a local show guy? maybe a national show guy. now 1 out of 10 people in the entire planet doesn't really make any sense.
As a side note, crash course on GH use. it takes YEARS to have any type of significant growth that is even noticeable or measurable unless you are slamming down 10iu+ a day (and it's extremely expensive)
good video super fun to watch, I just wanted to share from a bodybuilder point of view since we are usually mis labelled or understood by the general public
Is what you're saying like...proven? Or are you (no offense) just waffling? Saying "Yeah pharmacaeuticals may play a part" is crazy. They're the cause. Especially HGH. Look at Connor McGregor. Dude started taking HGH and his head doubled in size. Not to mention the fact that IFBB pros during contests are genuinely just insanely lean, to the point where it can't be maintained without just feeling like dogshit.
It's muscle. If you're gonna put on 20lbs lean muscle naturally you're gonna change your face too. Androgens simply accelerate that process so it makes it more obvious. And regarding HGH, it probably does affect but not like your face isn't already gonna change drastically from the weight gain alone.
@@antinataliz9633 Naturals don't gain much muscle in their face. The only way that could ever really happen is if you like...resistance trained your face? Don't know how you'd get very far doing so. When you take PEDs, they circulate through your body and affect everything irregardless of resistance training, which is why the face gains muscle too.
@@donthepsycho2018 if your gonna gain a huge amount of muscle over the long run, even if your a natural, your face is gonna change drastically. I realized this a long time ago, there is no way around it. Being natural doesn't mean your androgens stop affecting muscles from the neck up. Look up any natural bodybuilder, and compare their current faces versus say 20 lbs ago. And my point will be proven.
@@donthepsycho2018 I theorize that the facial muscles get some sort of stimulus from both someone's circulating androgens, as well as isometric tension from whole body exertion when they lift heavy. It's involuntary. U don't max out on the squat while putting on a relaxed face.
@@antinataliz9633Well yeah, but that tends to go in the neck if anything. A natty might get some mild facial change from long term heavy lifting, but not anywhere near so severe as all the big head bodybuilders.
Roids.
Dr Mike would have won if he had a better tan
CBum actually looks better though
the pitbull face
water retention
Bones grow.
The bones in the feet, hands and face literally grow- especially on HGH or other growth hormone stimulation drugs
When your neck gets too big it tends to push the flesh beneath the jawline forward, which gives a fat person double chin look and obscures the jaw.
High test (steroids) make the face blow like a baloon.
Body builders are bloated in general because of glycogen and massive carb intake
Exactly, when I reduced my carb intake, my face thinned out.
Because they're not as lean as we think? Dude... This is obviously not your wheelhouse so I'll just let you know it's all HGH.
Gear
hormones and roids, those cheaters. Do it properly or you deserves this.
Great video though! Enlightening stuff. I do have abs as a skinny guy, but no hollow cheeks. I've been forcing myself to eat more in order to grow more muscle, but now I'm not sure what to do lol
Bloated.. you have to really watch your diet.. plus the more you take your face muscles grow ..
You should have talked about poor skin quality as well. This is a dead giveaway for steroid use in both men and women.
I dont think your muscle/fat distribution theory makes sense. 😂
bro is on to nothing
You look like this yourself
HGH and gear
Its HGH
Real
My boy got that Donald trump cut
Interesting, good research 💯
Also I've earned the face is not fat but lymph, the drainage of lymph will bring out your face where fat burning does not
I have a 6.79 % bf at 195 lbs but have to do special measures to keep the cheeks hollow.
How do you drain the lymph from the face?
How do you drain the lymph from your face?
cause bodybuilding is unhealthy