Improving the French Grand Prix (we probably don't need to)
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The Clarkson solution: Award 5 championship points to whoever commits dangerous driving
So haas will actually score points
Lmao
Yes please
mazepin for champion!
I agree
170 different layouts? 54 Laps of racing? Just randomize the layout for every single lap of the race
Imagine the drivers would need to know every configuration in the right lap and they would have to be careful not to hit each other 😂
Imagine if we have real life "dynamic layout" racing just like GRID 2's Liveroutes mode
Its rallying all over again
Change the layout twice a lap
reminds me of a game called split second.
The only thing that makes every track better is a close championship fight
Except Monaco, no saving that one
@@NyanKatGrrrl And Spain
So true
@@NyanKatGrrrl Monaco isn’t even bad the only problem is it’s harder to overtake but other than that it’s a good circuit
@@Nathan-F1 yea that's the exact problem with monaco it's just an oversized kart track imo
Paul Ricard, like Barcelona, is a complete circuit, this is why teams like to test their cars there, and the races on this kind of tracks will most of the time reflect the hierarchy of the teams. If mercedes completly dominates the championship the race would be boring, but when there is a fight for the chiamponship the race is exciting, like this year.
That’s why Spain and France where good races
Why what you just say seems absolutely logic, but no one mentionned it ?
Complete except for elevation change
Actually he's wrong there isn't 167 ways to configure Paul Richard there's over 300. What he most likely means is there are 167 "practical configurations."
In the first section there's 2 practical short cuts to the back straight. There's 3 ways to do the first 2 corners and 2 ways to get to the back straight 3 x 2 + 2 =8.
There's at least 7 ways to run the chicanes in the Mistral 7x8 = 56.
There's 2 ways at the end of Mistral 2x56=112.
There's 3 ways to run the final complex for 336 configurations.
My bet is that some of the ways to run the Mistral Chicane are simply impractical which reduces that number a lot.
Wrong comment section bro go to the f1 channels
"I just wasted everyones time."
That's what you do in every video Josh... Nothing new there, c'mon mate. ;-p
damn
And yet we still watch
@@Runner_in_the_dark It's the charisma and confidence he puts in his time wasting. We're sheep I tell you, SHEEP!
XD
Well,he is from NZ you know...
"The Valtteri Bottas of F1 circuits" - Probably the most accurate thing i've ever heard
Probably the most spot on description of both entities I've heard or seen, ever.
3:24 I'm sticking to my guns here. So what if qualifying laps are under a minute. The Bahrain Outer layout proved it can work.
Great vid as always :)
Well done for featuring in his vid
Chief issues, that Josh missed on: Dijon has a) only one real braking zone, with a lot of flowing sweepers in between, and b) an *extremely* narrow track. It'd be crazy, but I don't think there would be much in the form of on-track overtaking either.
Agreed. Lap times at Austria are barely over a minute and its been one of the better tracks for overtaking in the modern era.
@@BlackPawn14 Well, modern cars are oil tankers with wheels. The track isn't too narrow.
As does the Redbull ring.
Revell was so certain that french gp gonna be shit so he planned to upload this a week after the race lol
Fun Fact: Every video Josh makes is amazing
That was not only fun, but factual. Well done!
True, my friend
His accent adds to it aswell
facts
For real
That Helmut Marko joke was fucking cruel, I loved it
We might...if turn 4-7 don't give us that Prema accident type of action.
Improvisation:
T4-7 - Make it a harder braking zone
T8 - Harder chicane, similar to Monza T1
T10-12 - Harder braking zone, and wall of champion style final corner
OR for a better option Circuit 1A-V2 Bike configuration using the current track we have.
i.e. Removing T8, and Making T12 Less wide
here's my idea: every 2 laps, a 1998 Renault Megane is put on the track at top speed going the fastest route
Seriously, how does everyone forget how abysmal on-track action tended to be at Magny Cours? It was nothing but low and medium speed chicanes all around after the hairpin. (Also, please drop the obnoxious tweet whistle sound effect, it really grates.)
+1 to that last sentence.
Boomers. Both of you. Shut up.
It's the usual case of the good old days (which weren't very good) being better than what we have now.
So like Monza, Canada, and old Albert Park? Want to make a classic F1 track? Straight, chicane, straight, chicane, straight, chicane. Add one or two corners of mild importance and, boom, F1 will go there every year for centuries.
@@HeavyMetalMonkey Nothing like them, no. We're talking an average of a 150m run between chicaines which is nowhere near enough time to draw alongside. It's more like narrower Sochi with fake grass. Good track design is significantly more complicated than straight > chicane too. Also, Albert Park is mostly memorable for hosting season openers which obscures the fact that it's one of the hardest tracks to pass on in all of F1 according to the teams.
3:32 Well, the A-1 Ring now has close to 1-minute lap times, sooooooooooo...
2020 Sakhir Grand Prix
@@RoadRager1904 exactly what I thought
Dijon would be a nice fit with that enormous straight
Well sakhir happened,then Igora Drive in 2023.I think F1 is will be more relaxed with sub 1 track nowadays
@@Holeecrab igora is sub 1 ?
Oof here 20 seconds after uploading 🔥 much love from England my dude love the content!
Is it gonna come home?
@@yakheen581 Yes
@@zach-ipsf1 you sure about that?
@@yakheen581 is it fuck 😂😂
@@yakheen581 We can beat Germany
The FunniTM solution: Let drivers pick whichever layout they want, but they can’t use the same one twice in a row.
"Where are the Strolls going to land their jets?"
On what's normally the start-finish straight, of course.
The F3 races had soooooooo much overtakes, in places where it is IMPOSSIBLE to overtake in F1
The cars are just to big, and they cannot follow each other much
Yeah but also F3 cars are all equal which ofcourse you gonna see that much overtakes, the track might have no overtake in some places, but overall is an overtaking able track
@@ramfisr.4251 and one of the races was in the wet
@@ramfisr.4251 It's more that the aero is so simple creating so little dirty air
Next year we should see better racing then
@@ramfisr.4251 Nope
My completly unqualified opinion;
Increase the steering lock on the cars through rule changes, and then turn the sprinklers on for just 1 or 2 corners, and call it a Drift Zone... or something.
Or better yet, change what corner is wet throughout the race.
Why not, after putting Dijon up to grade 1 specifications, replace it's turn 7 with a 90-degree left turn that precedes a sort of right-turning turn 7 that only turns half as much, before another 90-degree turn to the left that leads up to a new Parabolica? It adds 3 corners and you could extend the start-finish straight back to accommodate it. That could make it longer, and the forest around there could be easily cleared for it. You could also make turn 11 (or turn 14 with my previous suggestion) a left turn rather than a right one before another hairpin that turns it back around to an elongated straight before turn 12 (or 16).
Do a video on HRT,Virgin and Caterham
agree
This would be great
HORRIBLE RACING TEAM
HORMONE REPLACEMENR TEAM
My improvements:
T4: Make it a sharper corner and a heavier braking zone.
T8-9: Staightline the chicane.
T10: Widen the corner and bank the sh*t out of T10 and T11. This section must be flat out.
T12: Tighten it up, essentially making it a hairpin. The insane speed from T11 will create daring divebombs.
Last Corner: Make the hairpin run right up against the wall, like T13 Singapore.
Put the red sandpaper through turn 1 to make it into a nine-stopper. Blue sky thinking baby!
Nailing it once again Josh! Can’t wait for the Sochi version ;)
*nukes*
@@jorgemora9354 all of them, all of the nukes
We should just make it a no rules lobby like in F1 games
5:34 is a brilliant joke
I’m so happy that they are GETTING RID of Sochi for 2023!
SOCHI GOT NUKED!
Yeah but the new track is still designed by Hermann Tilke so is it really gonna be that much better?
@@nthnhbsn1909 we'll see
@@nthnhbsn1909 i saw an onboard on instagram @formulaonearchive had some track day footage of it
@@nthnhbsn1909 Istanbul Park is Designed by Tilke and I hear nothing but good things about it.
Given the variety of layouts available, just have support series that run on different layouts during the same weekend to make the entire race weekend more interesting overall.
0:02 0:07 0:26 0:53 1:13 1:31 1:42 1:44 2:05 2:47 3:08 3:38 4:06 4:21 5:14
I really don't get this sudden desire to go back to Magny Cours. Track is narrower and with fewer places to overtake than PR. With so much downforce being trimmed off the cars next year, Paul Ricard should be pretty good again
4:06 thats me 🤩🤩🤩
Make video about Felipe Massa or Helio Castroneves. P.S. great job you really improved since last year!
4:07 is the greatest image ever created
Ive done allot of photo shoots for Porsche and Lambo at Kaylami( the same guy who imports those cars owns Kaylami) and I can honestly say it is WORLD class...feels like you standing on a European circuit, and its a proper drivers track, one corner into the next.
Paint blue lines on the track as well and see if the drivers manage to keep on track, as an added bonus it will be even more horrible to look at.
You should do a video on the W series 2021 lineup and your predictions
Let’s do another race on Spa. They speek French there right?
I never thought I liked Magny-Cours so much until Paul Ricard came
le mans.
(and yes i mean the bugatti circuit)
1:14 ah yes the bernie ecclestone approach
Last week's race in PR was great because of RB and Merc are close to each other. And that rain that happened before the race, throwing out all the plans that the teams had made. If Merc were dominating the season, it would have been a boring race.
Every track would feel like shit if there was no actual racing. It's really the cars not the tracks.
0:02 missed opportunity to put Banana Leclerc
I think we should upgrade the Paul Ricard circuit the way Ripley advised in Aliens:
"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit.... it's the only way."
The simple answer would be have the race take place at Le Mans. Boom. Problem solved
Even before this GP I loved Paul Ricard. Such a cool track to drive, and this GP has now proven that boredom wasn't caused by the track, but by the cars.
Dromo did overhaul/reprofile the camber in all corners except turn 10
Yay, I made it on a video! Granted, my nuke was the worst aging comment of the century but better than nothing
Similar to other ideas, but more proper: Joker lap required on ONE different layout, which changes each race. Possibly we run a layout without turns 4-7 normally, and the current layout becomes the joker layout
The French GP may be some of the year best though I still find merit in looking what made this year so good while other mehmeh. The next year might be a real stinker so improvements is always warranted.
The only change I would make to Paul Ricard is :
- Switch the corners 3-4-5 to the same layout as Silverstone's 1-2-3.
Quick right, long left, and tight right... plenty of overtaking there (at least in Silverstone).
There is even enough space on Paul Ricard to build it while keeping this and the current layout.
Why is there so much revisionist love for Magny-Cours? Even with normal sized (not modern chonk monsters) F1 cars the races tended to be dull
Apart from the joy for spectators that the Circuit Paul Ricard may or may not offer in Formula 1, I must say that I love driving this circuit in ACC and even on the F1 games. It is extremely challenging and I very much enjoy the flow of this racetrack.
The best improvement that can be made to the French GP is to hold it at de La Sarthe. And even that might be fraught with issues...
Like the cars literally dying?
Yeah, I'd love to see it but it's simply too long of a track to be feasible. The race would be only 23 - 24 laps long meaning a 2 lap safety car deployment would eat up almost 10% of the running distance. Also, if an accident happened in the first four corners we might be left waiting for four to five minutes at VSC speeds just for the leaders to come back around and meet the SC. As it is IIRC the 24 Hours has to use multiple safety cars for different parts of the track. Add to that the issues of getting an adequate number of marshals, the right medical vehicle response times and so forth that F1 requires would be hugely complicated. The icing on the cake is that TV coverage would be messy at bare minimum because it's extremely hard to have and to direct enough cameras to span the track and there's definitely threat of the perpetual issue of Monaco, Le Mans coverage and as used to happen with French GP coverage at Magny Cours where there's an independent French team directing it all that, A - Isn't particularly good, and B - Spends a suspiciously long time focusing only on the French entries even if they're not doing much or particularly competitive.
All the engines would die after just 1 lap LOL!
@@ELSTERLING Le Mans takes care of that by having multiple safety cars and slow zones. The latter is something that F1 should investitgate. As far as a 2lap SC deplyoment, you wouldn't really need that, as at SC pace a Le Mans lap is longer than 5 minutes.
As for the TV coverage, it isn't that bad, well if you go to the commentary free livestream and turn Radio Le Mans on....on that note, have Hindy and crew cover the race.
As for how it would work, well....Pcars had their Formula A (2011/2012 F1 Car lookalike) race there in Career mode. It had some crazy combos like Formula A at Bathurst, as well as LMP1 there, oh and LMP1 at Monaco/Azure Circuit! :D :D
I knew why I was driving the ALMS equivalent (Watkins Glen, Sonoma, Laguna Seca and Road America, although supposedly Brno is in it as well) ;) LMP1 in Monaco is just horrifying. ;) :D
Thanks for wasting my time, it was quite fun !
My changes:
-Push turn 3 back and sharpen it up to make it more of a heavy braking zone to create some overtaking nice right left section, and a long right hander which the point is to carry more speed to make turn 8 a better overtaking zone than it is
-Sharpen turn 11 to make a solid braking zone
-For the final corners after 12,13, perhaps 14 a wall of champions style corners
My take is that there are no boring tracks. As Sochi and France 's gps proved, it's the cars that were the problem.
HOW DO I WATCH THIS AT 3AM SITTING ON MY COUCH WHEN THE TWEET SOUNDS ARE LOUD AF AND CAN WAKE MY PARENTS UP TO GIVE ME A BEATING?!
Best solution to make races more interesting
Give Clarkson a seat at ferrari the ultimate duo
On F1 2020, its one of my fav tracks to drive.
Just run the French GP at Ile Notre Dame the weekend after the Canadian GP. The locals will love it
i just want the Bugatti Circuit
I think to make the track more interesting is to give drivers more opportunity to overtake, I’m focusing on the sector 2 chicane after the DRS zone. Use the right hand turn, have the track cross over into the current chicane, and then back on to the straight.
This track can fill the entire season by itself
That layout by Lemi Manden looks pretty damn solid. Give that man a cookie!
If i knew about this i would've sent the perfect circuit for french gp... being interrupted by stroll
I think it was the tailwind that made the race fun
1.Use the lower chicane instead of the current Turn 1-2 2.Get rid of Turn 3-4-5 and make it a big radius 90 degree corner. 3.Get rid of that chicane on the back straight. 4.Make Turn 12-13-14 a 180 degree turn with huuuuuiige radius so that you can have a harder braking zone into Turn 15.
5:12 5:18 me from 5 day ago: Try hold the French GP at Lemans Circuit.
Me now: Called it.
You hit on a good point at the end mate. Definitely the closer comp is having a good effect on the excitement of the circuit. And for that matter the championship. Okay 2022 regs look to clean up the air for closer following so hopefully DRS can be curtailed and we get to see some slip stream skills. If you add the closer competition with close follow slip streaming into the braking zones divided by the private Stroll family jets you get boom 🤯 better more exciting GP action across the board! …. Well accept for Monaco 🇲🇨😎
I think that Paul Ricard could be a great curcuit. The main problem is that cars have a hard time following each other due to dirty air (especially in sector 3). The new regulations will make this less of an issue and provide more overtaking opportunities, at places like turn 1, the mistral chicane and turn 11. I wouldn't be surprised if next years race gives us as good, if not better entertainement than this years race.
My idea would be to tighten turn 3 so it's more of a proper chicane, but more importantly, turn the final corner into a medium speed right-hander to improve following onto the start/finish straight. That really should be all that's needed.
I think that the new Regulations will help some of the bad circuits because the cars will be able to raise closer.
its the same answer for the Spanish GP, Mecedes have finally a good fight with Redbull, so the race is more interesting
the difference with the Spanish GP, is the fact that we raced at Paul-Ricard 3 times now and the 2 others, Mercedes was dominating the championships, we neever had the point of view with a true competition
The Spanish GP was still awful, aside from Merc pulling the 2 stop literally nothing of any note or interest happened
@@robertharrington703 The French GP was still awful, aside from Red Bull pulling the 2 stop literally nothing of any note or interest happened
Or maybe they were both good and the main difference was who won
@@Karlsson14 the French Grand Prix had midfield battles and a genuine battle for the last spot on the podium. The Spanish Grand Prix had none of that.
@@robertharrington703 that the difference, no matter the fight, the Spanish GP is still boring, but the French GP, we never had a fight for the championship until this year
Use the fast chicane at T1 and T2 plus a removal of the chicane om the mistralstraight. Then add grass and gravel and we got a slipstream paradise!
5:43 what a godly layout
thats me lol
I hope enough people get the Helmut Marko joke to give it the love it deserves.
No time wasted here, always love the vids. Only one small suggestion, and maybe this is down to my speakers' response, but: the tweet sound effect is *really loud. Distractingly so I feel. But small complaint, seriously love the work mate.
That's the first time I saw an F1 youtuber who said the cookie cutter instead of a Nascar youtuber.
In my opinión Let's wait to 2022. With the revolution it's possible to see exciting races regularly here, as we saw last week where there was battles due to the teams being very close with each other
I think it's similar to Belgium last year, boring when there is no competition however when the top 2 teams are this close and the tires allow for alternate strategies it can produce good racing
Don't go straight to turns 3 - 7, instead go right to, what is called on the track site "T21". Just look at it (0:15)! Nice, 110° right, with a heavy breaking zone, with potential to overshoot, leading to 70° right, than 110° mild left right chicane. Seems like a good overtaking spot. To make that work, instead of tightest variant of 1 and 2, go for the smoothest, so that 1 and 2 don't spread out the cars like in Barcelona, and let the DRS zone bring them back together after sector 3.
Than just left the chicane as it is, because it might not be ideal, but it still a moderately good overtaking opportunity, and BOOM! You got a good track, with one good overtaking place, and additional moderate one.
Also. For the people saying "bring the gravel, so they be punished": did you see, what this red strips do to the tires? One contact and you have to pit, so for me it's a decent punishment.
I think the French GP at the Le Mans Bugatti Circuit would be a banger, it might be good to look into it
I’d love to see a Hermann Tilke circuits review video.
I thought I read that as of 2021, Magny Cours no longer holds an FIA Grade 1 license
Last weekend's race was good because the leading cars and the midfield are close together. The reason the 2019 GP was so boring was because the Mercedes cars were so much better that year.
However, I think the Bugatti circuit at Le Mans would be a far better venue. It would need some upgrades to meet FIA Grade 1 criteria and perhaps some track modifications to make it longer, but it's a historic venue with strong motorsport heritage. Imagine an F1 season with Monza, Spa, Silverstone and Le Mans!
Any upgrades to the Bugatti circuit, however, should not include the removal of the iconic Dunlop Arch. Donington Park has already lost its arch and is lesser for it.
Quite liked the Double Yellow line idea.
Closer competition brings the best out of every circuit. It's why Nascar is entertaining. The cars are so close that even going in ovals, they're fun to watch.
It’s a great track to drive, technical, tough but flowing at the same time, yes some of the races over the last few years haven’t been great, but anyone that dislikes this track just hasn’t driven it properly yet
I love these videos!
The race might be even better next year, what with the 2022 rules aiming to make following other cars much easier.
While the last race at Paul Ricard was a good one, it still needs to follow Albert Park (Australia) and Yas Marina (Abu Dhabi) by changing the layout, even with next years cars that are supposedly going to make it easier for drivers to follow others. This shouldn't be too difficult as Paul Ricard is a highly flexible and versatile facility.
I mean, come on! There's like SO many possibilities, like using a different chicane (the Montreal chicane, for instance).
Best way to improve it would be to paint the red and blue lines black so we all don't get a headache
Dude I'm really going through a hard time and your videos make me laugh. Thank you 😊
The circuit seems fine with the cars seemingly having been the issue the whole time. But the Bugatti Circuit would be interesting to explore going to, even though it wasn’t great when F1 did race there many many years ago
It's because the layout was boring af
Added in a few more corners and it's a lot less boring
@@4GRJ well then f1 would consider a return
make that the runoff areas eat the tires up so its high risk to get of track
“There is no such thing as bad tracks, just uncompetitive championships”
- whoever thought that f1 needed 3 more street circuits
Paul ricard is a circuit that brings out the best of a tight championship. Its conditions reduce safety cars and accidents while allowing for good overtaking. The result is a circuit that rewards strategy and race craft in a tight contest.
One problem I think we have though is we've had years of Mercedes dominance. What makes a great circuit during a dominant era is the opposite, more safety cars and incidents tightening the pack up to get some good racing. Where we should be careful though is wanting just this. Because then when things are tights like now its ends up turning who wins into semi random chance. We all would have lost out on so much last week if a crash had caused a safety car near the end. The nature of Paul ricard being safe allowed redbull to use the strategy they did. It will be a circuit thats hated in dominant eras and a favourite and competitive ones as a result
Pirelli managed to make tyres so bad that even on a track with no real overtaking opportunities, the delta between cars on and off the cliff was great enough to produce overtaking.
My very simple solution, make sector 3 a heavy braking zone and remove that long right hander as that causes dirty air issues
5:53 Oh look, my stupid tweet! I'm proud of it.
now we need a version of "how to improve Sochi Autodrome (we probably don't need to)"