This hurt my heart. Have a tsr-700 that I'm currently using 2 channel with b&w 606s2 and got excited when I saw I could bi-amp. Thanks for crushing my soul.
I'm currently bi - amping a pair of Mission MX3s, using a Marantz SR5007 receiver in stereo mode. Sound is so much better than when i just used the main speaker outputs - fuller and tighter bass, richer midrange and more defined treble. Also, soundstage and imaging have improved. I'm more than happy with the sound, and i don't think that i will go back to the old way.
I bought the Denon 3600H last year. Since it has 9 channels of amplification I’m running it bi-amped on my klipsch towers. My set up is basically 5.1 with height speakers in the front. I love streaming music to listen to in stereo. Bi-amping definitely improved the clarity of the highs. It actually improved the imaging too. I went back-and-forth a few times and it definitely seemed like something was missing when I wasn’t doing it. It’s tough to judge comments from people since you don’t know a persons given level of competence and understanding when addressing technical issues. I’m not saying I’m an expert but audio is a hobby of mine and I think this receiver makes enough of a difference when listening to music to be worthwhile.
This is exactly what I was looking for, I use my Denon for 70% music 30% movies/gaming. Have it hooked up to my RP 8000F,s. Because of your post, I’m going to give this a try. I know you had to change settings in amp assign, but did you change crossover settings?
@@woohunter1 when you have it set to being bi-amped it doesn’t treat the speaker as having separate crossovers for the lows and highs. There’s no new settings to fiddle with. Whatever settings you’re using now won’t need to be changed once you rewire it.
@@jdk_360 so your towers will receive 4 channels of full range above the 80 hz crossover (that’s what my high pass is set at) then the built in passive crossovers inside the speakers take over from there? Sounds easy enough. Gonna give this a try tomorrow. Thank-you for confirming this. Did you rerun Audyssey after doing this?
I have no idea if this will ever be read but I recently reorganized my setup. Running a PC as my main media source. HDMI to TV for 4k on 65" HDTV, and a second HDMI cable to my old Onkyo TX-SR605 5.1 Receiver. I've had it for over a decade and I've never had a single issue with it. I run two Energy Connoisseur CF-30 towers (more on those in a minute), an EW-100 subwoofer, and Energy centre channel. I started with the 5.1 Take Classic set and have upgraded over time. I'm not currently using rears or the surround. That gave me an interesting opportunity however to use the surround outputs as bi-amps for the tower speakers. There is a label on the rear outputs, and a setting within the receiver setup menu itself to enable the feature. I've been running that for a while and it seems to perform well. However to my ear, it sounds almost the same as a passive bi-wire setup to the same speakers. There IS a noticeable difference to having it bi-wire/bi-amped vs not at all so I will continue to run it bi-amped until I upgrade the whole system. Just fyi previously I was using TOSlink optical to run from the motherboard to the receiver, but had my eyes opened when I was reminded it only provides 2 channel PCM rather than the higher bandwidth HDMI. Thanks.
great content Gene. precisely, bi-amp is only usable when these boxes are checked; 1. internal crossover or DSP to separate & redirect high frequency and low-mid frequency into two different channels 2. speaker is bi-wired capable with 4 binding post 3. speaker does not have analog or physical crossover but most of the speakers nowadays do not have bi-wiring capability (4 binding post) and absence of physical or analog crossover.
Hi gene, I am using an integra home theater receiver and I am using the bi amp feature with paradigm speakers, and to me they sound clearer and more spacious whether it’s all in my head because that’s what I’m supposed to hear that remains to be seen but I’m happy with it
Running a Marantz SR8012 and biamping the two front speakers, old Paradigm Monitor series, using the preamp mode and two Rotel rb960 BX amplifiers. Old stuff but sounds really nice. Lots of power.
Hi folks, I currently use an old and cheap denon 1912 in bi-amp mode on the fronts, wich are floorstanding canton ventos 890.2, wich are capable of a power consumption ups 350 watts. Trust me, it does make a difference in stereo to a certain point at higher volumes, where it has a little more breath than Single amped. But the small powersupply has of course it’s limits built in. I ordered a denon avr x6700h as an upgrade and will probably use bi-amping again, since I drive a 5.1 system. I‘m curious what the higher class amp and the bigger powersupply can do.
I have a denon 3808, it’s a 7.1 system with a 2ch assignable which can be assigned for bi-amp or a separate zone or even a separate 2ch system and even incorporate it a 9ch system which is what I’m using to power 2 small bookshelves I have NHT-VT2 LR speakers which has passive subs at the bottom which is powered from my avr and the subs are bi-amped with an NHT-SA2 subwoofer giving me that extra base
I stopped using receivers after it seems they all eventually break. I have gone to an extremely strange home theater system. I am using car amplifiers, DC power supplies to run the amplifiers. I swear these amps have so much headroom it's unreal. I will probably never go back to a standard receiver. Also, I use FLAC audio for music listening. My home system is very, detailed, revealing, and not to mention very loud and clear.
That is strange.. Assuming it is a "home theater" system, what do you use to decode the Dolby siginal? otherwise I would just see it as an overcomplicated 2 channel system. Which is fine, but are you also using something like a DSP-408 or similar? Tuning with REW? would open a whole new world in your case
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Car amps don't need the massive transformers to adjust the huge voltage coming in from the wall. 12v is plenty for audio. There is so much wasted energy and heat with audio. A good capacitor that stores energy for a millisecond can be run off a C or D battery and power large speakers. Those $25 Bluetooth USB amplifiers are nothing more than car power boosters from the 1980s and run large tower speakers. It's all about heat management and efficiency. Keep the heat down and you keep the distention low.
I use the bi-amp feature to run 4 front floor speakers. It’s a 7.2 channel Yamaha and all the channels output the same watt. Changing the setting to bi-amp makes the receiver a 5.1 channel. But instead of running one channel to the upper of the duel post speakers I just power one set of speakers with one channel and another set of speakers with the other. Sounds great running it In 2.2. Channel.
100% agreed, but when cheap receiver came to the equation, really smear the real benefits of biamping. in my years of testing definitely you will get benefits, but you must be aware that using external amp / preamp processor is the way to go. Better dynamics, solid bass response, more high details, (not to be confuse with more power)i must agree that to be able to feel a huge difference you must gain over 50% of the volume. Cheers.
Bi-amping for 2 channel listening only. Both older components: Pioneer Elite receiver rated at 140wpc to Yamaha towers. Noticeable extra headroom as Gene says.
I have a Yamaha RX-A3050 and I was running Paradigm Studio v.3 100s, CC470, 20s for the back, and can't remember the model # for the sides. Plus a Servo 15a. Bought them all new. About 12 years ago I picked up an Onkyo TX-S876. Nice amp for back then. I needed an upgrade and wanted something for Atmos, so I picked up the Yamaha a few years ago, and took a pair of cheaper Cambridge Audio small speakers I had to mount on the ceiling for Atmos. For a long time I was thinking about using the Onkyo for bi-amping the 7 Paradigms, but a lot of people in the Facebook groups said I should just get external amps. Or at least an external amp for the front 2 or 3. I'm on permanent disability, so money is a lot tighter than what it used to be. I knew that A/V receivers generally rate their power in 2 channel mode, so I started thinking of using the Onkyo to just power the front two, and then that would give me 4 ceiling speakers for Atmos. It turns out, the Onkyo TX-S876 also supports Bridged-mode. Close to doubling the power for the fronts, especially if it is only powering 2 speakers. I bought two sets of Paradigm Cinema 3.0 speakers, using 4 of them for the ceiling, hooked up the Onkyo in Bridged mode, and now running 7.1.4, all Paradigm, and definitely have a noticeable 'punch' in the front speakers now. I also just picked up a pair of 10G BlueJeansCables for my fronts after watching your vid about cables. I've always believed that cables don't make a difference, like most. I had/have 12G, pretty decent speaker wire that I put Banana plugs on the ends and always thought it sounded good. I hooked up the BlueJeansCables, and got ready for a serving of humble pie. Dire Straits, "Money for Nothing" in high res, such clarity. But it was Donna Summer, "I Feel Love", only took 3 seconds in for my jaw to drop. Expensive speaker cables, as you pointed out, not really worth it. But actual speaker cables to power your fronts when you have a decent system, then yea, it's worth it. . Video idea/request. Decoupling speakers from the floor. What are good options? Sound dampening foam, spikes, rubber spikes? Do those expensive ones make a difference over the cheap ones? IsoAccoustics are hundreds of dollars on Amazon, and then there are spikes+disks for $20.
watched this again since it appeared on my FB wall and didn't notice I watched it before. I'm curious what you think about the difference between bi-amping and bridged mode for fronts would be. I know I mentioned in the FB groups that they mostly said bridged mode is best, but with my setup I kinda have a couple of options. Bi-amping or bridged.
I bi-amped my RP-600Miis with my Denon AVR-X4700H to go along with my other 5 speakers and sub. Personally, I heard a difference when I realized the receiver had the bi-amp feature vs single-amping and tried it out. It uses 2 of the 4 height channels, neither of which I use, so I figured "what the heck." Like you said, it's a bigger effect when I'm only using the /R speakers listening to a CD, a vinyl album or streaming music.
I say try it. I have a Denon 3802 from 2002 and I have re-purposed it to my office with a set of Elac Uni-fi UB5's and a couple of 10" Klipsch subs I picked up off of CL. I run the UB5's from 80hz up with the internal Denon HP filter, and take the L/R line level out to the subs and use their LP filter. So now I have a kick-ass 2.2 system for very little money. In the theater room I have a Yamaha 850 that is bi-amping my Tannoy Saturn 8's and it is a noticeable improvement at higher volumes. Again, try it and if it is not an improvement, it's easy enough to go back.
I have a Marantz SR6014 and have noticed a benefit of bi-amping from the AVR. I also have a Parasound 855A 85WX5, I noticed a bump in power with this as well. Using Parasound for bi-amped towers and cnter and running surrounds off the AVR.
My system consists of a Pioneer VSX-1023 ($500 avr) and a couple of Altec Valencia speakers/cabinets. I removed the crossover networks aqnd installed banana plug jacks to use in bi-amping. The avr has a bi-amp feature, but there are a couple of issues. The crossover frequency was designed at 800Hz. and the avr has a 200Hz. limit. The other issue is the lack of clarity about using the feature. The manual states the bi-amp feature includes Surround 5.1. I've done the bi-amp section but haven't figured out how to get the Surround 5.1 in the settrings. My test file is the TV episode: Star Trek s01e04, with 3F2MLFE audio configurtion. Thanks for the video, thanks for the information.
Very helpful Gene! Thank you. I received support on this topic through the Website recently, Peng and others. I Bi-amped my high end top of the line Sony AVR to the mid and tweeter and My Anthem amp PVA4 to the bottom drivers of my Paradigm 95fs. I used the SPL meter and found my ear was .5 db off on my front right and surround left all other speakers except subs, were spot on same level. I used your SPL video to help me understand how to do that. Thanks again! My subs were much lower on the SPL meter. Way off there. I turned both subs up to same DB and have really felt I'm enjoying Atmos movies the way they should be along with my 2 channel music at the best it can sound. Many of us have limitations on speaker placement due to room size limitations to fit furniture, TV, audio equipment etc.. Practically no options. I appreciate the advice on the room correction. I just do the distance and level by ear instead with 80 crossover and small setting. As per above I was almost spot on to the SPL meter. Two channels left on my PVA 4 so I used 1 of those also combined with the Sony to bi-amp my Center channel cc590 which now also sounds clearer and more pronounced at low and high volumes. Another big advantage. I plan to study Peng's advice to compare the single amp hook up vs bi-amp just for fun and because I can't stop messing with everything. I am also now a subscriber!
Hi Gene, what about passive bi amping with a good class d stereo amp? I have read that you shouldn’t bi amp with class d amps? Note, the bass section of this demanding 3 way would be crossed over at 360hz. Thanks in advance.
If your receiver and speakers have bi-amp capability and you can spare the back surround channels, then I don't see why you wouldn't. Maybe you don't want to spring for another set of speaker cables? Maybe you don't want to wade too deep into the receiver's settings? I treated myself to a pair of Paradigm Premier 800F's recently and was all too excited to utilize the bi-amp feature of my Sony 3400ES. It is massively important to ensure that matched amplifiers are used for bi-amping, no mix-and-match. Also, make sure your speaker cables are the exact same length. I think on paper bi-amping allows cleaner power to be delivered to the mid and tweeter and may confer some additional benefits when considering impedance stability. The bass section of the 800F's is relatively solid but I definitely didn't bi-amp to realize bass gains as I bought a pair of Paradigm Defiance X12's to round out the 800F's bottom end. It may be useful to note that even though the receiver has lots of theater chops, I'm using it in a 2-channel setup. A small subset of gear owners actually bi-amps but an even smaller subset has the gear to utilize active bi-amplification. My speakers offer no way to defeat the internal crossover network and I'm okay with that because I trust Paradigm gave those 800F's the best crossover for what they are capable of. As to bi-wiring - you're just wasting speaker cable at that point. If you really want to buy another pair of speaker cables to do this, remember: "a fool and his money are soon parted". Speaking of, I will probably go back to not bi-amping when I spring for that Anthem STR amp as it is already breaking the bank just to have two channels of that sweet "Crafted in Canada" sound. But that will be mostly offset when I eventually pair it with an STR pre-amp and join them with XLR connections.
Thanks for the impartial information. I passive bi-amp Martin Logan Vistas (electrostatic) with the Onkyo TX RZ50. I listen mostly to 2 channel music (plus sub). The MLs sound great! and perform well as fronts for a 5.1 system. The RZ50 has 120W/Channel at 8 Ohms. Seams to be enough power to drive all of the speakers.
Another interesting video Gene - thanks. I have a request for a topic I haven't seen covered anywhere: Why are there no $1000 pre-amp/processors? Why does a pre-amp - that has no amplifiers - cost more than the same company's flagship receiver even though it has the same processing?! If ever there was something that feels like snake oil, this has been it for me. It's like an audiophile luxury tax. How on earth do companies like Emotiva - who otherwise sell great stuff at reasonable prices - think they need $4k for their processor?! If Marantz/Denon have actually put in a feature in their receivers to TURN OFF the amps, effectively turning the receiver into a processor - why isn't there a cheaper model with no amps? And the worst part of all this is that it is the processor that becomes obsolete, so that's the piece that I want to spend the least on because you're going to want to upgrade it eventually. This has bothered me for 25 years. Would LOVE to hear your take on it.
Late reply, but after being in the AV field for >45 years ; I'm currently about to replace my Yamaha RX-A3020 with the new RX-A6A (BTW I have it BiAmped to my Pinnacle Studio Monitors). I also have an Anthem 5 channel Amp (which is what runs the biamped fronts). I would LOVE to get all the cool processing power a Pre-Pro offers without having to pay for so many amplified channels, but you don't get the high end features in lower priced units! Now, I think the answer to your Q lies in several factors: 1. People who are in the market for Pre-Pro's are usually well informed or just have money to burn (not me!!). I doubt the marketing side of a $1K Pre-Pro works out for the companies, not a big enough market for all the work to make a killer Pre-Pro. 2. As an Electronics Tech, I would wager that over 80% of the effort of a receiver goes into the low signal / processing part of the design. Designing and making a state of the art Pre-Pro is the expensive part, with such small signals it's easy to get noise, not to mention all the licensing fees are in there (DTS, Dolby, THX, etc, etc, etc). Not many licensing fees on an Amp. 3. The market share for Pre-Pros is an inherently smaller group, so you HAVE to charge more to make back your design costs. Bottom line - they're in business to make money, not give away hard work. ;) Certainly a certain amount of it is just greed - charging what the market will bear, but the margins on audio equipment isn't really all that high (until you get above the $2 mark, then it starts getting nuts!!). LPT - $400/foot cables don't improve your sound ... ;P
@@mickmouse2258 Interestingly, since I posted that comment last year the topic had come up on avsforums several times, and now there actually are 2 "entry" level pre/pros. There is the Tonewinner AT-300 that's under $1500, and from what I understand Emotiva has brought out their own version of that unit (BasX MC1) that's under $1k. Tonewinner has good reviews but people generally don't like Emotiva's processors due to buggy firmware. Regardless, unless those become really successful and start a trend, I still doubt we see Denon (for example) coming out with a $1k 11.2 pre/pro (even though I think they would sell enough of them to be worth it). Frustrating.
@@redstang5150 (I did a "Quick Reply" in the notification panel and it vanished) ... I hear ya! I'm currently about to buy a Yamaha RX-A6A but what I REALLY want is a Pre-Pro. I had an Anthem AV20 that I had to retire because of no HDMI support (add on board was released, but without updated standards), so I'm replacing an RX-A2030. I still have the awesome matching Anthem 5 channel amp (in use) but that leaves me a few channels short on my current ATMOS system ... ;-) So I'd need a Pre-Pro and an Amp. That pushes it past the range of the Wife (and CFO) Approval Factor. The A6A solves that for less $$. {Sigh} Cheers!
@@mickmouse2258 That Yamaha is a nice unit but even that's more than I was interested in spending (and I'm the CFO in my house so that's a self imposed limit - ha). I have an older Yamaha TSR-7790 that was only $500 when I got it 8 years ago and it has full 7.2 pre-outs. I had that paired with Emotiva amps and was just using it as my pre/pro. Needed to migrate it from my HT to my family room system when the cheap receiver I had there died. Found that now you have to spend well over $1k even to get a receiver that has full pre-outs, and the cheapest quality option I could find was the Denon x3700 so I got that. 9.2 for about $1300. It's maybe only slightly better - very subtle improvement if at all from the Yamaha, but my purchase was more about just needing another AVR vs. looking for any sort of sound upgrade, so again, the less spent on the one HT component to become obsolete the better. I haven't put Atmos speakers in yet either - that will probably be a bigger difference. Otherwise I generally think the DSP multichannel processing is now so good across the board that it's pretty much a commodity, making the choice more about price and features.
I'm using a marantz 6013 as a processor. My amp is the jbl synthesis s7150. I tried bi amping using this feature. Didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. My rp8000f are already very efficient so I don't think I was getting anywhere near to utilizing all that power. Only thing I ran from avr was my 2 height channels.
I bi-amped with my Denon x4000 AVR with Monitor audio RS1 bookshelf speakers. The speaker are 6 ohm rated by the manufacture. The crossover setting was at 80Hz. My AVR amp was fried. Several resistors were burned out on rear channels according to my local electronical repair man. It cost me $185 to repair.
I know it’s 3 years later but my AVR-x4500h will not let me bi amp through the pre outs. Trying to bi amp to my monolith 7x with no luck. Looks like can only do it through speaker connection. So I’m splitting the left and right fronts to the amp through the rca. I believe that is actually hurting the rca output value but have no other way to bi amp. Powering RTAI9S
Gene, I have the Denon AVR X8500HA with an external Monolith 5×200 watt power amp that I'm using to Bi-Amp my front SVS Ultra Towers and also use it for the center channel. I use the Denon to power the other 6 + 6 channels... it's a beast in this configuration and I love it!!!
I’m happy to hear some bi-amp discussion. I’m shopping for a new receiver and the ability to bi-amp it a must to drive my Polk towers. I’d appreciate some help with choosing my next receiver. Basically running 5.2 now and I want to add atmos. I’m thinking I need at least a 9.2 to bi-amp and then end up with 7.2
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I’m bi-Amping from a Denon AVR-X3700H to Monitor Audio’s gold speakers 100’s into 4 Ohms, using a Monitor Audio subwoofer. The speakers are classified as bookshelf, not set up as advised as I have to compromise in my home area. The sound is superb in my opinion using my hifi components.From experience you will never completely be satisfy with your sound, because music quality recordings are so inconsistent. While I’m interested in improving my sound I will try all sorts of tweets.
Hey Peter, I also have a Denon AVR-A110 and when I set it up (some years ago now) struggled and failed to get bi-amping to work, contacted Denon technical support, devoured the manual, etc., and finally came to the conclusion it could not be done the way I had hoped. I'm curious how you managed to get it configured? I'm driving 9 channels (FRW/FL/C/FR/FRW and SR/RR/RL/SL) and very satisified. But I had hoped to use the FL/FR line-level out to feed an external NAD amp to drive the FL/FR pair (bi-amping Boston Acoustic VR towers). The result would be 11 amplifiers for 9 channels). But the Denon AVR-A110 is not this flexible. Maybe if I had only desired to drive 7 channels instead of 9...? I wonder if that is what you are doing? [And if anyone reading this is wondering, why use the FRW and FLW? I have another set of Boston Acoustic VR towers with the powered subs. So I'm sending the .2 sub channel to the FRW/FLW towers in addition to the wide channel. No Dolby Atmos in the AVR-A110; the brief experiment of Front Wide/Height channels are no more.]
Clarification, I'd use the FRW/FLW line out to the NAD, and bi-amp FR/FL for both 9 channel and DIRECT 2 channel listening. But can't do it on the AVR-A110!
@@georgebarbperkins6793 Hey George, the Denon AVR-A110 that I have just came out a few months ago. You may be referring to the Denon AVR-A100. It was no problem at all with the AVR-A110.
how do I wire a Sony strdn1080 to klipsch R26fa? Just bought my sony any was going to stay within sony products. but then at the last minute seen the Klipsch and decided to go with the Dolby Atmos t-shirt so now I've got both speakers and I've got the Str dn1080. I don't know if I bought a separate amplifier if that would help run the Dolby Atmos front speakers or not so I would like to hear it what you have to say?
HI, I've just recently bi amped my sony strdn 1080 for 2 channel stereo only it has definitely improved the sound, my mid bass is more rounded instead of honking & everything else sounds around 10% better to me on my 2.5 way monitor audio speakers.
@@zzippyy2011 You're welcome, it seems to me there is to much analysis on "why my expensive x+x components don't work so well", &/or spending time looking at measurements all day instead of looking to just get a system that suits the acoustics of their preferred listening space, I would not like to have to a system where I have to constantly worry about what my amps & all the other myriad bits & bobs in it are going to be doing at any given moment, that's what children are for.
Seems u needto consider the source of the signal. Is it a true biamp situation. Is the signal coming from a separate amplifier within the receiver? It's not a big deal to do it if your receiver allows for it.
I own a Marantz SR 7013 and Paradigm Premier 800F coupled with Paradigm Premier Center 600C and the main surrounds are taken care by NHT SuperZero 2.1's I'm running only 5 ch and I use a pair of SVS PB-1000s for the LFE's and main channel crossed at 80 Hz. I had bi-amped in the begining and was listening to music strictly on pure direct mode and felt it was slightly beneficial to biamp. When I integrated the subwoofers, I couldnt find the biamping the 800F + 7013 was beneficial... 800F's are fantastic speakers for money and thanks to audioholics for reccomending it.
Depends on your front speakers more than the number of subs, but also depends on the current those front speakers demand from the amp and that in turn is also dependent on whether or not you apply a crossover and the crossover frequency.
I wasn’t sure. I have a Marantz 8012 is an 11 channel receiver. I am currently using it to run a 5 Bowers & Wilkins 700 series speakers and 4 prime elevation atmos. That means I could use the additional 2 channels to bi- amp my front towers. Correct? Once set up, should I set my towers to large? Thank You.
@@omarseneriz5577 While I'm not familiar with the internal architecture of the 8012 I would try bi-amping. Under (almost) no circumstances should you set the front speakers to "Large". Unless you are prepared to do a lot of simulations and measurements with REW stick with "Small" and 80 Hz crossover. Gene has videos on that as well :-)
Perfectly said. I use an old Pioneer VSX-AX10 to bi-amp my speakers. But I do it externally by splitting the incoming signal with rca splitters and feeding the signal to the multi-channel analog input.
BI - Amping my Arcam AVR 550 caused me no end of issues - I have KEF reference 1's and they are very power hungry, in bi amp mode the AVR would throw a wobbly and cut out - it sounded like it would oscillate before going into protect mode or maybe it was getting to hot ? I would run the amp around 70 on the volume. so fairly loud... I now have 2 PS Audio M-700'S powering the KEF's and all is well in the world.
The Cinema 30 i was testing can biamp but sadly i cannot bi-amp the center alone. I have SVS Ultra Bookshelfs in the front and the SVS Ultra Center. The Bookshelfs are only rated 150Watts but the center is rated up to 225Watt. Thats where i would want to use the biamp because that speaker potentially can do something with the added power. Its a 3 way so i guess mid high and bass are separated. That might free up some additional room in difficult movie scenes. Its not a issue but it would have been nice to be able to select the Center only instead of biamping the two fronts. Its either the Front two speakers o 5.1. And with the A1H its the same but for 7.1 The custom mode wont let you set what speakers you would like to biamp. It would have been nice to have more flexibility with setting where you want to allocate the unused channels.
Still running my Integra DTR8.8 from 2008 Really the only thing I'm missing with it is 4k HDMI switching. Yea sure, some of the new audio formats too but I don't have all the extra speakers to use Atmos. Was running 7.1 but still haven't hooked up the surrounds in my new house.
When the Receiver's power is split between the number of channels one uses, i.e. offering more power per channel when less than the total available channels are in use, in that case I'd guess that bi-amping would be useless. Am I right?
I own a Denon 2809. I use it only to power the front 2 channels(pure Direct mode). So basically i have 5 channels unused. In this case, is it better if i use surround back channels for Bi amping. My speakers are JBL E80.
NAD T 757v2 with Energy RC-70's. Bi amp or no? In two channel mode the stereo output rating is pretty solid. I'm assuming that the majority of the amp's power is directed to the left right channels when in stereo only. Does bi amping with the unused back surround / zone 2 speaker terminals add to that power or would it be diluted to some degree? Thanks
I'm using the 3311 bi-amped on jbl northridge e80, and it sounds wayyy better then normal settings, I thought snake oil, but holy moly what a difference with good cables and bananas.
I have a Denon 6500H which has 11 channels of amplification. I have a 5.1.2 set-up and I'm bi-amping NHT VT2.4 towers in the front. The extra two channels are used for zone 2 outside patio.
Passive bi amping from the same unit has basically no effect on output. Passive bi-amping from 2 discreet units can add something like +3db of output. Active bi amping which gene mentions is where the money is at but it gets expensive very quickly, you also lose out on WAF. I was really expecting Gene to go a hard no on passive bi amping, with the platform he has I would expect him to help steer people away from foo, I’m disappointed. The comments on this video are insane, people asking about bi wiring etc this is on you Gene :/
Hi Gene, retired audio and industrial tech sales, I frequently refer Audioholics to my contacts. We are passionates. .About bi-amping,my RX-A6A could do it but instead I use a Yamaha A-S2100 for HiFi front speakers while the receiver job is for the center and surrounds., I would use it for low efficiency 3 ways speakers or let say Forte for the same reason but the Forte is so efficient who cares about spending money for snake oil? The engineering did the speakers development with the jumpers on. Relax let them in place and listen to the best show in town. Placing speakers in the sweet spot is a lot more important than a dawn cupper cable. I've tested bi-amping on Klipsch RP-8000F-pb. My receiver bi-amping (without ext. amp) turn off. It worked fines on Monitor audio Gold g4 3 ways ;they only rate 92 db. The more wires the more interferences go back and forth to the speakers and amplifiers. Good cable 2 cond. 12 awg twisted pairs with gold plugs to avoid corrosion on connections. Enjoy music and life with friends and relatives.Gil ber
What is the potential for modding an inexpensive receiver with a better power supply and water-cooling to compensate for inadequate heat sink? What about car Freon for a cooling system?
I haven't bi-amp'd anything, but when I originally built my media room, I bi-wire roughed in all the surrounds. Didn't make a damn bit of difference. But it did pay off when I went to an Atmos setup because I had all those wires running through the ceiling chase. Win for me.
Does A+B bi-amping affect the ohms of a speaker? May be a dumb question but i am just starting to learn about bi-amping and am not sure how it may affect the amplifier.
I'm using an Arcam AV 750 with Klipsch speakers bi-amped, This produces a,sharper and less rounded, more dynamic sound and generally stronger bass particularly at low volume. Maybe a better stereo image. The listening volume setting is also lower for the same hearing volume.
Question? So I upgraded to the marantz cinema 40, and have a spare denon 2700x. Is it worth it on my extra set of towers to bi amp it? The only thing on that avr will be some klipsch towers?
You mentioned that bi amping with a bookshelf set is a waste of time. What if I am using a sub with a high level input? Would that benefit in a 2.1 setup? I am running a set of CM1 S2s and a REL T7/i. The AVR is a Str-za1000es so it may be a moot point given the 100 watts power channel output.
Biamping to just a tweeter w the passive xover network still in place has little benefit. Your Sony has more power reserves w just 2ch driven, so I would single amp those speakers.
Do you think this would be worth while on a Marantz 5015? I just ordered a pair of Martin Logan Motion 40i fronts. I'm only using five channels and it has instructions for just this scenario. "This system plays back 5.1-channels. You can use the bi-amp connection for front speakers. Bi-amp connection is a method to connect separate amplifiers to the tweeter terminal and woofer terminal of a speaker that supports bi-amplification. This connection enables back EMF (power returned without being output) from the woofer to flow into the tweeter without affecting the sound quality, producing a higher sound quality."
I've bi-amped my Bronze 100s. I really just did it for two channel cranking it really loud for music. (I play music louder than movies 😂) I don't think it's making a big difference. But I haven't heard any negatives listening either so I'll just leave it be.
MY SYTEM IS 3.1 LOOKING AT ADDING 2 REAR SPEAKERS. I bi-amped used the surround channel connection for mids. my Pioneer Elite SC-35 on a pair of Wilkins & Bowers 686. I think I notice crisper highs when listening to dts or DD. What I do notice when listening to STEREO output it's very tinny no mid. When my system was not biamped the sound did not have the tinny sound with STEREO output. WHY IS THAT? Also When I use AUTO mcacc. The Amp is +12 on the mids or the surround output.
I got some speakers that are bi amp capable, now I want to use it, my question is do big recievers split the highs and lows when set to bi amp, or do they send the full signal? I can't decide if I should get a better receiver, 2 amps, or one more powerful amp. Thanks to anybody who can answer this for me.
I have a Denon X4400H that I want to run in stereo only. Would this benefit from bi-amping my speakers or should I just leave as standard connection? Thanks
It made a difference when I did it with a Sony AVR. Still can't seem to get it to work on my Denon 6500H. I don't think there is a answer to your question. In some applications you won't hear a difference. In others it can be noticeably better. Best way is to try and have a listen.
I have a Sr7009 and I have 5.1+bi amp in one room for home theater, and two channels in the bedroom as a bonus. I could then skip the stereo amp in the bedroom, as well as benifit from the better dac in the marantz. (had line out from the nuc pc before)
Using a Sony 7.2 channel AVR in a 3.1 speaker configuration. I bi-amp the front speakers thereby using 5 of the available 7 amplifier channels. No noticeable sound difference at normal listening levels. Ignoring power supply limitations, each amplifier channel is operating at one-half of the power load compared to a standard speaker connection.
I have the pioneer sc lx801. The bi-amp feature was noticable with my klipsch rp280f speakers at higher volumes. Better bass response and cleaner highs. Though l did buy a 7 channel power amp and no longer need to bi-amp as the amp puts out more than enough power per channel
Short answer: no. Long answer, if you have a receiver where the power supply is really capable per the massive Denon did, why not? Me, I have a 5 channel amp that is a true monoblock design and used the extra channels to bi amp. The speakers (ATC SCM 19s, you should review!) are 85db efficient and did seem to benefit from the extra juice. I'm now using an Anthem STR integrated, so no more bi amping for me.
I have a ATI 3000 amplifier three channel and ave 4400h denon receiver I have two tower Martin Logan speaker 60 xti should I bi wire do do I take off metal plate or i’ll leave it on let me know please
So what I have is a pair of Klipsch RF 7's with a Yamaha RX A6A, delivering 150 w per channel. Will Bi-Amping give me more power since the Speakers can handle 250W or will the available power be divided ?
I’m using a pioneer vsx-1131 with monitor audio mr4. I haven’t notice any difference with bi-amping but I made it just because avr and speakers were capable off that feature. I really don’t know if my setup worth it.
Hey Gene 😀 First of all, a very big Thank You for the great knowledge you put into this. I have watched a few of your videos by now and I must say you do a pretty good job 👍 My setup: Marantz SR4003 drives the mid and high on my Yamaha NS-777 front speakers. I used the front pre-outs for my ROTEL BX956AX power amp in bridge mode, that drives the front woofers. Subwoofer: Rockford Fosgate Punch III 10" 400w rms, peak 800w driven by ROTEL RB-980BX bridged to 1 * 360w rms 8 ohm. Good day to everyone 🤗
Would a 9-channel Denon x-3700h w/ 105 watts per channel used to bi-amp towers be worthwhile? (Towers are Klipsch RP-8000f II). Would bi-amp make a difference?
i have a pioneer elite vsx-80 7.2 receiver and i think it says i can use the back speaker outs for bi amping the front mains. i think it probably wouldn't help the sound all that much because it's not high end like you described but if i'm not using the back surrounds would it hurt to do it? you said you wouldn't do it but it can't hurt right? maybe it wouldn't help the speakers much but at worst it's the same with or without right?
I have been passive biamping with two separate Parasounds along with my DENON but I have a Onkyo 9 channel reciever with a massive power supply the TXNR 5009 model which came out in the day 2011 . I like to try to biamp with that as a option . Toridal power supply excuse the spelling that AVR weighs 55 lbs with out it's box something to think about. I realize when Atmos came out they cut corners on the power supplies.
I have the Onkyo tx-nr5008. Almost the same with other looks. Massive beast. Never bothered bi-amping but heard the result can be very different depending on the speakers used. It's not necessarily getting better. Love to hear your experience.
sure when the time is right for me I am staying at a short time at my step daughters house and when I get my home media going again Ill try the bi amping with that AVR. thanks for replying back.
Bi-amping with Marantz SR8002 and B&W 703s. It’s a bit more powerful than the 8015 based on your measurements Gene. Every extra sticker costs $500 and/or 50 watts of power:). That 8002 was the best deal of all time in terms of power per dollar.
I bi-amp my Martin Logan towers, with two Parasound stereo amplifiers. I love their performance via this configuration. Personally, I left AV receivers behind many years ago. I only use separates because I prefer that approach.
I have Yamaha HTR5660 with tower Yamaha NS555 running speakers A to highs and speakers B to lows. What if i just split speakers A highs n lows to 1 tower and speakers B highs n lows to other tower? I'm using heavy gauge 6ft wires to each which seem to sound better with more power or volume than when I tried connecting banana plugs, which I removed to use only bare wire again. And i wonder what if i left the bridge on and ran same way using speakers A&B, would that be like using double power?
Can I bi amp from one 5 channel external amplifier? I want to use two channels each out to Polk R700. I thing the amp is rated at 90 watts x 5 channels. The last channel will not be used. I was wondering if its as simple as 90 watts x 2 = 180 watts into 4ohm speakers. I did notice that sometimes when power to 4ohm loads the watts increase. I don't want to blow anything up. Amp:5 Channel Monoprice Monolith 90w x5. Avr: Sony AN1000 165w x7.. Maybe I can bi amp using one as a hfa and the other as a lfa?
Bi-amping makes sense only if the speaker reaches such power ranges, where the amplifier is already starting to distort in the low-frequency part, but the speaker can still handle even more power. Distortion in the bass range is not as disturbing as in the mid-high range. Thus, with bi-amping, we achieve clear mid-highs even when the amplifier (not its power supply) is working at the limit of its power. The problem with AV receivers is always the power supply, very rarely the amplifiers... so bi-amping rarely makes sense. It is different with external amplifiers (for one speaker)... where, for example, with stereo amplifiers this approach makes sense, but only on the condition that the power supply can handle at least approx. 20-30% more power than only one power stage requires. My example is the five-channel Monrio MP5 power stage, which has 3 toroids and 5 identical channels. One 300w toroid powers the center channel, and two 400w toroids power two channels each. So with this multi-channel final stage I can drive all three front speakers each with their own power supply...left and right even with "good-sense" bi-amping. So the AV receiver (Onkyo TX-RZ900) is relieved and drives only 4 speakers - two surround and two Atmos. This is bi-amping that makes sense.
I have a Yamaha RX-V4A 5.2 channel receiver. I'm looking to upgrade my towers and center channel. Emotiva T0+ for the towers and maybe a C2+ for the center channel. I'm only running two towers and a center. When I upgrade, do you think it would be a good idea to bi amp? The speakers are 4ohm. I don't think I can run an external amp because I don't see a pre out for that.
I have an Onkyo NR797 and a set of old Polk Audio Monitor 70 that I use for my home theater. Would it benefit me in any way to bi-amp those speakers. Will I be losing anything in doing that? I also have a set of Pioneer sp-bs22a-lr could I bi-amp those and use as fronts for my home theater instead of the Polk Audios. I am in a small apartment with 2 heights (SVS Prime ), Polk Monitor 7- fronts and Polk audio surrounds and was using the Pioneer sp-bs22a-lr and backs. I have 2 subwoofers (Polk Audio 10 and Airmotiv SE12 )
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This hurt my heart. Have a tsr-700 that I'm currently using 2 channel with b&w 606s2 and got excited when I saw I could bi-amp. Thanks for crushing my soul.
Years ago I biamped klipsch RP-280F's with a tsr-700 and felt like the improvement was significant.
I'm currently bi - amping a pair of Mission MX3s, using a Marantz SR5007 receiver in stereo mode. Sound is so much better than when i just used the main speaker outputs - fuller and tighter bass, richer midrange and more defined treble. Also, soundstage and imaging have improved.
I'm more than happy with the sound, and i don't think that i will go back to the old way.
I bought the Denon 3600H last year. Since it has 9 channels of amplification I’m running it bi-amped on my klipsch towers. My set up is basically 5.1 with height speakers in the front. I love streaming music to listen to in stereo. Bi-amping definitely improved the clarity of the highs. It actually improved the imaging too. I went back-and-forth a few times and it definitely seemed like something was missing when I wasn’t doing it. It’s tough to judge comments from people since you don’t know a persons given level of competence and understanding when addressing technical issues. I’m not saying I’m an expert but audio is a hobby of mine and I think this receiver makes enough of a difference when listening to music to be worthwhile.
This is exactly what I was looking for, I use my Denon for 70% music 30% movies/gaming. Have it hooked up to my RP 8000F,s. Because of your post, I’m going to give this a try. I know you had to change settings in amp assign, but did you change crossover settings?
@@woohunter1 when you have it set to being bi-amped it doesn’t treat the speaker as having separate crossovers for the lows and highs. There’s no new settings to fiddle with. Whatever settings you’re using now won’t need to be changed once you rewire it.
@@jdk_360 so your towers will receive 4 channels of full range above the 80 hz crossover (that’s what my high pass is set at) then the built in passive crossovers inside the speakers take over from there? Sounds easy enough. Gonna give this a try tomorrow. Thank-you for confirming this. Did you rerun Audyssey after doing this?
Nice Gene....thinking of bi amping my RZ 70...to my SVS ultra towers.....will it be advisable....Thnks
I have no idea if this will ever be read but I recently reorganized my setup. Running a PC as my main media source. HDMI to TV for 4k on 65" HDTV, and a second HDMI cable to my old Onkyo TX-SR605 5.1 Receiver. I've had it for over a decade and I've never had a single issue with it. I run two Energy Connoisseur CF-30 towers (more on those in a minute), an EW-100 subwoofer, and Energy centre channel. I started with the 5.1 Take Classic set and have upgraded over time. I'm not currently using rears or the surround.
That gave me an interesting opportunity however to use the surround outputs as bi-amps for the tower speakers. There is a label on the rear outputs, and a setting within the receiver setup menu itself to enable the feature. I've been running that for a while and it seems to perform well. However to my ear, it sounds almost the same as a passive bi-wire setup to the same speakers. There IS a noticeable difference to having it bi-wire/bi-amped vs not at all so I will continue to run it bi-amped until I upgrade the whole system.
Just fyi previously I was using TOSlink optical to run from the motherboard to the receiver, but had my eyes opened when I was reminded it only provides 2 channel PCM rather than the higher bandwidth HDMI.
Thanks.
great content Gene. precisely, bi-amp is only usable when these boxes are checked;
1. internal crossover or DSP to separate & redirect high frequency and low-mid frequency into two different channels
2. speaker is bi-wired capable with 4 binding post
3. speaker does not have analog or physical crossover
but most of the speakers nowadays do not have bi-wiring capability (4 binding post) and absence of physical or analog crossover.
Hi gene, I am using an integra home theater receiver and I am using the bi amp feature with paradigm speakers, and to me they sound clearer and more spacious whether it’s all in my head because that’s what I’m supposed to hear that remains to be seen but I’m happy with it
Running a Marantz SR8012 and biamping the two front speakers, old Paradigm Monitor series, using the preamp mode and two Rotel rb960 BX amplifiers. Old stuff but sounds really nice. Lots of power.
1:04 I can’t bi-amp, but I watched the whole video anyway. Take that!
You only have true wireless earbuds and you still watched this ? 😬
Hi folks, I currently use an old and cheap denon 1912 in bi-amp mode on the fronts, wich are floorstanding canton ventos 890.2, wich are capable of a power consumption ups 350 watts. Trust me, it does make a difference in stereo to a certain point at higher volumes, where it has a little more breath than Single amped. But the small powersupply has of course it’s limits built in. I ordered a denon avr x6700h as an upgrade and will probably use bi-amping again, since I drive a 5.1 system. I‘m curious what the higher class amp and the bigger powersupply can do.
I have a denon 3808, it’s a 7.1 system with a 2ch assignable which can be assigned for bi-amp or a separate zone or even a separate 2ch system and even incorporate it a 9ch system which is what I’m using to power 2 small bookshelves
I have NHT-VT2 LR speakers which has passive subs at the bottom which is powered from my avr and the subs are bi-amped with an NHT-SA2 subwoofer giving me that extra base
Bi-amping Polk monitors with budget Onkyo AV receiver, definitely makes a difference.
I stopped using receivers after it seems they all eventually break. I have gone to an extremely strange home theater system. I am using car amplifiers, DC power supplies to run the amplifiers. I swear these amps have so much headroom it's unreal. I will probably never go back to a standard receiver. Also, I use FLAC audio for music listening. My home system is very, detailed, revealing, and not to mention very loud and clear.
That is strange.. Assuming it is a "home theater" system, what do you use to decode the Dolby siginal? otherwise I would just see it as an overcomplicated 2 channel system. Which is fine, but are you also using something like a DSP-408 or similar? Tuning with REW? would open a whole new world in your case
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I've often wondered how car amps would work at home. They have so much more power! I'd love to see some pics!
Car amps don't need the massive transformers to adjust the huge voltage coming in from the wall. 12v is plenty for audio. There is so much wasted energy and heat with audio. A good capacitor that stores energy for a millisecond can be run off a C or D battery and power large speakers. Those $25 Bluetooth USB amplifiers are nothing more than car power boosters from the 1980s and run large tower speakers. It's all about heat management and efficiency. Keep the heat down and you keep the distention low.
I use the bi-amp feature to run 4 front floor speakers. It’s a 7.2 channel Yamaha and all the channels output the same watt. Changing the setting to bi-amp makes the receiver a 5.1 channel. But instead of running one channel to the upper of the duel post speakers I just power one set of speakers with one channel and another set of speakers with the other. Sounds great running it In 2.2. Channel.
I have a DENON AVC-3800 from 1996, and this amplifier has Left Center Right in BI-Amp and still is very powerfull
Can you make a video on the placement of in-wall/ceiling mounted speaker and what you recommend at different price points?
100% agreed, but when cheap receiver came to the equation, really smear the real benefits of biamping. in my years of testing definitely you will get benefits, but you must be aware that using external amp / preamp processor is the way to go. Better dynamics, solid bass response, more high details, (not to be confuse with more power)i must agree that to be able to feel a huge difference you must gain over 50% of the volume. Cheers.
Bi-amping for 2 channel listening only. Both older components: Pioneer Elite receiver rated at 140wpc to Yamaha towers. Noticeable extra headroom as Gene says.
Yamaha DSP-A1 :) Rock solid Integrated Amp
I have a Yamaha RX-A3050 and I was running Paradigm Studio v.3 100s, CC470, 20s for the back, and can't remember the model # for the sides. Plus a Servo 15a. Bought them all new. About 12 years ago I picked up an Onkyo TX-S876. Nice amp for back then. I needed an upgrade and wanted something for Atmos, so I picked up the Yamaha a few years ago, and took a pair of cheaper Cambridge Audio small speakers I had to mount on the ceiling for Atmos. For a long time I was thinking about using the Onkyo for bi-amping the 7 Paradigms, but a lot of people in the Facebook groups said I should just get external amps. Or at least an external amp for the front 2 or 3. I'm on permanent disability, so money is a lot tighter than what it used to be. I knew that A/V receivers generally rate their power in 2 channel mode, so I started thinking of using the Onkyo to just power the front two, and then that would give me 4 ceiling speakers for Atmos. It turns out, the Onkyo TX-S876 also supports Bridged-mode. Close to doubling the power for the fronts, especially if it is only powering 2 speakers. I bought two sets of Paradigm Cinema 3.0 speakers, using 4 of them for the ceiling, hooked up the Onkyo in Bridged mode, and now running 7.1.4, all Paradigm, and definitely have a noticeable 'punch' in the front speakers now.
I also just picked up a pair of 10G BlueJeansCables for my fronts after watching your vid about cables. I've always believed that cables don't make a difference, like most. I had/have 12G, pretty decent speaker wire that I put Banana plugs on the ends and always thought it sounded good. I hooked up the BlueJeansCables, and got ready for a serving of humble pie. Dire Straits, "Money for Nothing" in high res, such clarity. But it was Donna Summer, "I Feel Love", only took 3 seconds in for my jaw to drop. Expensive speaker cables, as you pointed out, not really worth it. But actual speaker cables to power your fronts when you have a decent system, then yea, it's worth it.
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Video idea/request. Decoupling speakers from the floor. What are good options? Sound dampening foam, spikes, rubber spikes? Do those expensive ones make a difference over the cheap ones? IsoAccoustics are hundreds of dollars on Amazon, and then there are spikes+disks for $20.
watched this again since it appeared on my FB wall and didn't notice I watched it before.
I'm curious what you think about the difference between bi-amping and bridged mode for fronts would be. I know I mentioned in the FB groups that they mostly said bridged mode is best, but with my setup I kinda have a couple of options. Bi-amping or bridged.
First bi amp I've heard Is in the 70's,reggae Bi-Amp...2 amps...vintage valve amp to run bottoms... digital tops
I too heard those sound system setups in the UK in the 1980's.
I bi-amped my RP-600Miis with my Denon AVR-X4700H to go along with my other 5 speakers and sub. Personally, I heard a difference when I realized the receiver had the bi-amp feature vs single-amping and tried it out. It uses 2 of the 4 height channels, neither of which I use, so I figured "what the heck." Like you said, it's a bigger effect when I'm only using the /R speakers listening to a CD, a vinyl album or streaming music.
I say try it. I have a Denon 3802 from 2002 and I have re-purposed it to my office with a set of Elac Uni-fi UB5's and a couple of 10" Klipsch subs I picked up off of CL. I run the UB5's from 80hz up with the internal Denon HP filter, and take the L/R line level out to the subs and use their LP filter. So now I have a kick-ass 2.2 system for very little money.
In the theater room I have a Yamaha 850 that is bi-amping my Tannoy Saturn 8's and it is a noticeable improvement at higher volumes. Again, try it and if it is not an improvement, it's easy enough to go back.
I have a Marantz SR6014 and have noticed a benefit of bi-amping from the AVR. I also have a Parasound 855A 85WX5, I noticed a bump in power with this as well. Using Parasound for bi-amped towers and cnter and running surrounds off the AVR.
My system consists of a Pioneer VSX-1023 ($500 avr) and a couple of Altec Valencia speakers/cabinets.
I removed the crossover networks aqnd installed banana plug jacks to use in bi-amping. The avr has a bi-amp feature, but there are a couple of issues.
The crossover frequency was designed at 800Hz. and the avr has a 200Hz. limit. The other issue is the lack of clarity about using the feature. The manual states the bi-amp feature includes Surround 5.1. I've done the bi-amp section but haven't figured out how to get the Surround 5.1 in the settrings. My test file is the TV episode: Star Trek s01e04, with 3F2MLFE audio configurtion.
Thanks for the video, thanks for the information.
Very helpful Gene! Thank you. I received support on this topic through the Website recently, Peng and others. I Bi-amped my high end top of the line Sony AVR to the mid and tweeter and My Anthem amp PVA4 to the bottom drivers of my Paradigm 95fs. I used the SPL meter and found my ear was .5 db off on my front right and surround left all other speakers except subs, were spot on same level. I used your SPL video to help me understand how to do that. Thanks again! My subs were much lower on the SPL meter. Way off there. I turned both subs up to same DB and have really felt I'm enjoying Atmos movies the way they should be along with my 2 channel music at the best it can sound. Many of us have limitations on speaker placement due to room size limitations to fit furniture, TV, audio equipment etc.. Practically no options. I appreciate the advice on the room correction. I just do the distance and level by ear instead with 80 crossover and small setting. As per above I was almost spot on to the SPL meter. Two channels left on my PVA 4 so I used 1 of those also combined with the Sony to bi-amp my Center channel cc590 which now also sounds clearer and more pronounced at low and high volumes. Another big advantage. I plan to study Peng's advice to compare the single amp hook up vs bi-amp just for fun and because I can't stop messing with everything. I am also now a subscriber!
The 805 d3 is a very respectable bookshelf. I passive bi amped them on an Yamaha a780 running a 4.2 configuration I saw benefits
Hi Gene, what about passive bi amping with a good class d stereo amp? I have read that you shouldn’t bi amp with class d amps? Note, the bass section of this demanding 3 way would be crossed over at 360hz. Thanks in advance.
If your receiver and speakers have bi-amp capability and you can spare the back surround channels, then I don't see why you wouldn't. Maybe you don't want to spring for another set of speaker cables? Maybe you don't want to wade too deep into the receiver's settings?
I treated myself to a pair of Paradigm Premier 800F's recently and was all too excited to utilize the bi-amp feature of my Sony 3400ES. It is massively important to ensure that matched amplifiers are used for bi-amping, no mix-and-match. Also, make sure your speaker cables are the exact same length. I think on paper bi-amping allows cleaner power to be delivered to the mid and tweeter and may confer some additional benefits when considering impedance stability. The bass section of the 800F's is relatively solid but I definitely didn't bi-amp to realize bass gains as I bought a pair of Paradigm Defiance X12's to round out the 800F's bottom end. It may be useful to note that even though the receiver has lots of theater chops, I'm using it in a 2-channel setup.
A small subset of gear owners actually bi-amps but an even smaller subset has the gear to utilize active bi-amplification. My speakers offer no way to defeat the internal crossover network and I'm okay with that because I trust Paradigm gave those 800F's the best crossover for what they are capable of.
As to bi-wiring - you're just wasting speaker cable at that point. If you really want to buy another pair of speaker cables to do this, remember: "a fool and his money are soon parted".
Speaking of, I will probably go back to not bi-amping when I spring for that Anthem STR amp as it is already breaking the bank just to have two channels of that sweet "Crafted in Canada" sound. But that will be mostly offset when I eventually pair it with an STR pre-amp and join them with XLR connections.
Thanks for the impartial information. I passive bi-amp Martin Logan Vistas (electrostatic) with the Onkyo TX RZ50. I listen mostly to 2 channel music (plus sub). The MLs sound great! and perform well as fronts for a 5.1 system. The RZ50 has 120W/Channel at 8 Ohms. Seams to be enough power to drive all of the speakers.
Another interesting video Gene - thanks.
I have a request for a topic I haven't seen covered anywhere: Why are there no $1000 pre-amp/processors? Why does a pre-amp - that has no amplifiers - cost more than the same company's flagship receiver even though it has the same processing?! If ever there was something that feels like snake oil, this has been it for me. It's like an audiophile luxury tax. How on earth do companies like Emotiva - who otherwise sell great stuff at reasonable prices - think they need $4k for their processor?! If Marantz/Denon have actually put in a feature in their receivers to TURN OFF the amps, effectively turning the receiver into a processor - why isn't there a cheaper model with no amps? And the worst part of all this is that it is the processor that becomes obsolete, so that's the piece that I want to spend the least on because you're going to want to upgrade it eventually.
This has bothered me for 25 years. Would LOVE to hear your take on it.
The manufacturers know there are suckers out there who can be charged extortionate amount of money for a piece of equipment which should be cheaper.
Late reply, but after being in the AV field for >45 years ; I'm currently about to replace my Yamaha RX-A3020 with the new RX-A6A (BTW I have it BiAmped to my Pinnacle Studio Monitors). I also have an Anthem 5 channel Amp (which is what runs the biamped fronts). I would LOVE to get all the cool processing power a Pre-Pro offers without having to pay for so many amplified channels, but you don't get the high end features in lower priced units! Now, I think the answer to your Q lies in several factors:
1. People who are in the market for Pre-Pro's are usually well informed or just have money to burn (not me!!). I doubt the marketing side of a $1K Pre-Pro works out for the companies, not a big enough market for all the work to make a killer Pre-Pro.
2. As an Electronics Tech, I would wager that over 80% of the effort of a receiver goes into the low signal / processing part of the design. Designing and making a state of the art Pre-Pro is the expensive part, with such small signals it's easy to get noise, not to mention all the licensing fees are in there (DTS, Dolby, THX, etc, etc, etc). Not many licensing fees on an Amp.
3. The market share for Pre-Pros is an inherently smaller group, so you HAVE to charge more to make back your design costs.
Bottom line - they're in business to make money, not give away hard work. ;)
Certainly a certain amount of it is just greed - charging what the market will bear, but the margins on audio equipment isn't really all that high (until you get above the $2 mark, then it starts getting nuts!!). LPT - $400/foot cables don't improve your sound ... ;P
@@mickmouse2258 Interestingly, since I posted that comment last year the topic had come up on avsforums several times, and now there actually are 2 "entry" level pre/pros. There is the Tonewinner AT-300 that's under $1500, and from what I understand Emotiva has brought out their own version of that unit (BasX MC1) that's under $1k. Tonewinner has good reviews but people generally don't like Emotiva's processors due to buggy firmware. Regardless, unless those become really successful and start a trend, I still doubt we see Denon (for example) coming out with a $1k 11.2 pre/pro (even though I think they would sell enough of them to be worth it). Frustrating.
@@redstang5150 (I did a "Quick Reply" in the notification panel and it vanished) ... I hear ya! I'm currently about to buy a Yamaha RX-A6A but what I REALLY want is a Pre-Pro. I had an Anthem AV20 that I had to retire because of no HDMI support (add on board was released, but without updated standards), so I'm replacing an RX-A2030. I still have the awesome matching Anthem 5 channel amp (in use) but that leaves me a few channels short on my current ATMOS system ... ;-) So I'd need a Pre-Pro and an Amp. That pushes it past the range of the Wife (and CFO) Approval Factor. The A6A solves that for less $$. {Sigh} Cheers!
@@mickmouse2258 That Yamaha is a nice unit but even that's more than I was interested in spending (and I'm the CFO in my house so that's a self imposed limit - ha). I have an older Yamaha TSR-7790 that was only $500 when I got it 8 years ago and it has full 7.2 pre-outs. I had that paired with Emotiva amps and was just using it as my pre/pro. Needed to migrate it from my HT to my family room system when the cheap receiver I had there died. Found that now you have to spend well over $1k even to get a receiver that has full pre-outs, and the cheapest quality option I could find was the Denon x3700 so I got that. 9.2 for about $1300. It's maybe only slightly better - very subtle improvement if at all from the Yamaha, but my purchase was more about just needing another AVR vs. looking for any sort of sound upgrade, so again, the less spent on the one HT component to become obsolete the better. I haven't put Atmos speakers in yet either - that will probably be a bigger difference. Otherwise I generally think the DSP multichannel processing is now so good across the board that it's pretty much a commodity, making the choice more about price and features.
I'm using a marantz 6013 as a processor. My amp is the jbl synthesis s7150. I tried bi amping using this feature. Didn't notice ANY difference whatsoever. My rp8000f are already very efficient so I don't think I was getting anywhere near to utilizing all that power. Only thing I ran from avr was my 2 height channels.
I have Arcam AVR20 and positive difference with Bi-Amping is clear (KEF R3)
I bi-amped with my Denon x4000 AVR with Monitor audio RS1 bookshelf speakers. The speaker are 6 ohm rated by the manufacture. The crossover setting was at 80Hz. My AVR amp was fried. Several resistors were burned out on rear channels according to my local electronical repair man. It cost me $185 to repair.
I know it’s 3 years later but my AVR-x4500h will not let me bi amp through the pre outs. Trying to bi amp to my monolith 7x with no luck. Looks like can only do it through speaker connection. So I’m splitting the left and right fronts to the amp through the rca. I believe that is actually hurting the rca output value but have no other way to bi amp. Powering RTAI9S
Gene, I have the Denon AVR X8500HA with an external Monolith 5×200 watt power amp that I'm using to Bi-Amp my front SVS Ultra Towers and also use it for the center channel. I use the Denon to power the other 6 + 6 channels... it's a beast in this configuration and I love it!!!
I’m happy to hear some bi-amp discussion. I’m shopping for a new receiver and the ability to bi-amp it a must to drive my Polk towers. I’d appreciate some help with choosing my next receiver. Basically running 5.2 now and I want to add atmos. I’m thinking I need at least a 9.2 to bi-amp and then end up with 7.2
OK..THE BI AMP IS JUST A PUSH PULL AMP...MOST SPEAKERS JUST PUSH....
I SUGGEST GETTING 6 KRK ROCKET ACTIVE THAT HAVE 2 AMPS INSIDE...THEY ARE PUSH PULL....U WILL HEAR THE DIFFERENCE..
I’m bi-Amping from a Denon AVR-X3700H to Monitor Audio’s gold speakers 100’s into 4 Ohms, using a Monitor Audio subwoofer. The speakers are classified as bookshelf, not set up as advised as I have to compromise in my home area. The sound is superb in my opinion using my hifi components.From experience you will never completely be satisfy with your sound, because music quality recordings are so inconsistent. While I’m interested in improving my sound I will try all sorts of tweets.
Hello, bi-amping from my Denon AVR-A110 to my Klipsch RF-62 II's. Running a 5.1.4 speaker setup.
Hey Peter, I also have a Denon AVR-A110 and when I set it up (some years ago now) struggled and failed to get bi-amping to work, contacted Denon technical support, devoured the manual, etc., and finally came to the conclusion it could not be done the way I had hoped. I'm curious how you managed to get it configured? I'm driving 9 channels (FRW/FL/C/FR/FRW and SR/RR/RL/SL) and very satisified. But I had hoped to use the FL/FR line-level out to feed an external NAD amp to drive the FL/FR pair (bi-amping Boston Acoustic VR towers). The result would be 11 amplifiers for 9 channels). But the Denon AVR-A110 is not this flexible. Maybe if I had only desired to drive 7 channels instead of 9...? I wonder if that is what you are doing? [And if anyone reading this is wondering, why use the FRW and FLW? I have another set of Boston Acoustic VR towers with the powered subs. So I'm sending the .2 sub channel to the FRW/FLW towers in addition to the wide channel. No Dolby Atmos in the AVR-A110; the brief experiment of Front Wide/Height channels are no more.]
Clarification, I'd use the FRW/FLW line out to the NAD, and bi-amp FR/FL for both 9 channel and DIRECT 2 channel listening. But can't do it on the AVR-A110!
@@georgebarbperkins6793 Hey George, the Denon AVR-A110 that I have just came out a few months ago. You may be referring to the Denon AVR-A100. It was no problem at all with the AVR-A110.
how do I wire a Sony strdn1080 to klipsch R26fa? Just bought my sony any was going to stay within sony products. but then at the last minute seen the Klipsch and decided to go with the Dolby Atmos t-shirt so now I've got both speakers and I've got the Str dn1080.
I don't know if I bought a separate amplifier if that would help run the Dolby Atmos front speakers or not so I would like to hear it what you have to say?
HI, I've just recently bi amped my sony strdn 1080 for 2 channel stereo only it has definitely improved the sound, my mid bass is more rounded instead of honking & everything else sounds around 10% better to me on my 2.5 way monitor audio speakers.
@@stLtBilko thanks so very much for your response. I really appreciate!
@@zzippyy2011 You're welcome, it seems to me there is to much analysis on "why my expensive x+x components don't work so well", &/or spending time looking at measurements all day instead of looking to just get a system that suits the acoustics of their preferred listening space, I would not like to have to a system where I have to constantly worry about what my amps & all the other myriad bits & bobs in it are going to be doing at any given moment, that's what children are for.
@@stLtBilko I like your thinking
Seems u needto consider the source of the signal. Is it a true biamp situation. Is the signal coming from a separate amplifier within the receiver? It's not a big deal to do it if your receiver allows for it.
I own a Marantz SR 7013 and Paradigm Premier 800F coupled with Paradigm Premier Center 600C and the main surrounds are taken care by NHT SuperZero 2.1's
I'm running only 5 ch and I use a pair of SVS PB-1000s for the LFE's and main channel crossed at 80 Hz.
I had bi-amped in the begining and was listening to music strictly on pure direct mode and felt it was slightly beneficial to biamp.
When I integrated the subwoofers, I couldnt find the biamping the 800F + 7013 was beneficial...
800F's are fantastic speakers for money and thanks to audioholics for reccomending it.
If one has 2 great subwoofers set up already. Should one take the time to bi-amp? doest it make any sense ?
IMO Yes, you are giving the speaker more power which its capable of handling and in return will give you more control and SPL.
Depends on your front speakers more than the number of subs, but also depends on the current those front speakers demand from the amp and that in turn is also dependent on whether or not you apply a crossover and the crossover frequency.
I wasn’t sure. I have a Marantz 8012 is an 11 channel receiver. I am currently using it to run a 5 Bowers & Wilkins 700 series speakers and 4 prime elevation atmos. That means I could use the additional 2 channels to bi- amp my front towers. Correct? Once set up, should I set my towers to large?
Thank You.
@@omarseneriz5577 While I'm not familiar with the internal architecture of the 8012 I would try bi-amping. Under (almost) no circumstances should you set the front speakers to "Large". Unless you are prepared to do a lot of simulations and measurements with REW stick with "Small" and 80 Hz crossover. Gene has videos on that as well :-)
@@SoundsFantastic Thank You, I will try it out.
Perfectly said. I use an old Pioneer VSX-AX10 to bi-amp my speakers. But I do it externally by splitting the incoming signal with rca splitters and feeding the signal to the multi-channel analog input.
BI - Amping my Arcam AVR 550 caused me no end of issues - I have KEF reference 1's and they are very power hungry, in bi amp mode the AVR would throw a wobbly and cut out - it sounded like it would oscillate before going into protect mode or maybe it was getting to hot ? I would run the amp around 70 on the volume. so fairly loud... I now have 2 PS Audio M-700'S powering the KEF's and all is well in the world.
The Cinema 30 i was testing can biamp but sadly i cannot bi-amp the center alone.
I have SVS Ultra Bookshelfs in the front and the SVS Ultra Center. The Bookshelfs are only rated 150Watts but the center is rated up to 225Watt. Thats where i would want to use the biamp because that speaker potentially can do something with the added power. Its a 3 way so i guess mid high and bass are separated. That might free up some additional room in difficult movie scenes.
Its not a issue but it would have been nice to be able to select the Center only instead of biamping the two fronts.
Its either the Front two speakers o 5.1. And with the A1H its the same but for 7.1
The custom mode wont let you set what speakers you would like to biamp.
It would have been nice to have more flexibility with setting where you want to allocate the unused channels.
I'm looking to get a new receiver & going 7.2.2 not bothered about Atmos.
Still running my Integra DTR8.8 from 2008
Really the only thing I'm missing with it is 4k HDMI switching.
Yea sure, some of the new audio formats too but I don't have all the extra speakers to use Atmos.
Was running 7.1 but still haven't hooked up the surrounds in my new house.
Biamping fronts on marantz sr7010 but does anyone know how I can Biamp the Centre speaker??
When the Receiver's power is split between the number of channels one uses, i.e. offering more power per channel when less than the total available channels are in use, in that case I'd guess that bi-amping would be useless. Am I right?
I own a Denon 2809. I use it only to power the front 2 channels(pure Direct mode). So basically i have 5 channels unused. In this case, is it better if i use surround back channels for Bi amping. My speakers are JBL E80.
I'm confused how I would use an open channel as a bi amp? Am I over thinking it or is it more complicated than he made it sound?
NAD T 757v2 with Energy RC-70's. Bi amp or no? In two channel mode the stereo output rating is pretty solid. I'm assuming that the majority of the amp's power is directed to the left right channels when in stereo only. Does bi amping with the unused back surround / zone 2 speaker terminals add to that power or would it be diluted to some degree? Thanks
I'm using the 3311 bi-amped on jbl northridge e80, and it sounds wayyy better then normal settings, I thought snake oil, but holy moly what a difference with good cables and bananas.
I have a Denon 6500H which has 11 channels of amplification. I have a 5.1.2 set-up and I'm bi-amping NHT VT2.4 towers in the front. The extra two channels are used for zone 2 outside patio.
Passive bi amping from the same unit has basically no effect on output. Passive bi-amping from 2 discreet units can add something like +3db of output. Active bi amping which gene mentions is where the money is at but it gets expensive very quickly, you also lose out on WAF. I was really expecting Gene to go a hard no on passive bi amping, with the platform he has I would expect him to help steer people away from foo, I’m disappointed. The comments on this video are insane, people asking about bi wiring etc this is on you Gene :/
What about the definitive SM55 bookshelf? I have a Sony 790 receiver, should I Biamp?
Hi Gene, retired audio and industrial tech sales, I frequently refer Audioholics to my contacts. We are passionates. .About bi-amping,my RX-A6A could do it but instead I use a Yamaha A-S2100 for HiFi front speakers while the receiver job is for the center and surrounds., I would use it for low efficiency 3 ways speakers or let say Forte for the same reason but the Forte is so efficient who cares about spending money for snake oil? The engineering did the speakers development with the jumpers on. Relax let them in place and listen to the best show in town. Placing speakers in the sweet spot is a lot more important than a dawn cupper cable. I've tested bi-amping on Klipsch RP-8000F-pb. My receiver bi-amping (without ext. amp) turn off. It worked fines on Monitor audio Gold g4 3 ways ;they only rate 92 db. The more wires the more interferences go back and forth to the speakers and amplifiers. Good cable 2 cond. 12 awg twisted pairs with gold plugs to avoid corrosion on connections. Enjoy music and life with friends and relatives.Gil ber
What is the potential for modding an inexpensive receiver with a better power supply and water-cooling to compensate for inadequate heat sink? What about car Freon for a cooling system?
Waste of time, don't bother.
I haven't bi-amp'd anything, but when I originally built my media room, I bi-wire roughed in all the surrounds. Didn't make a damn bit of difference. But it did pay off when I went to an Atmos setup because I had all those wires running through the ceiling chase. Win for me.
Does A+B bi-amping affect the ohms of a speaker? May be a dumb question but i am just starting to learn about bi-amping and am not sure how it may affect the amplifier.
I'm using an Arcam AV 750 with Klipsch speakers bi-amped, This produces a,sharper and less rounded, more dynamic sound and generally stronger bass particularly at low volume. Maybe a better stereo image. The listening volume setting is also lower for the same hearing volume.
if i biamp my speaker i got double the power from my reciver or not or connect them as speaker a and b
Easily the best, most informative clip i have seen regarding this topic. Makes absolute sense of a grey area in audio. Thank you
Question? So I upgraded to the marantz cinema 40, and have a spare denon 2700x. Is it worth it on my extra set of towers to bi amp it? The only thing on that avr will be some klipsch towers?
Can u not, go unto the tower, seperate the crossovers and wire directly to the 2 amps?
You mentioned that bi amping with a bookshelf set is a waste of time. What if I am using a sub with a high level input? Would that benefit in a 2.1 setup? I am running a set of CM1 S2s and a REL T7/i. The AVR is a Str-za1000es so it may be a moot point given the 100 watts power channel output.
Biamping to just a tweeter w the passive xover network still in place has little benefit. Your Sony has more power reserves w just 2ch driven, so I would single amp those speakers.
Do you think this would be worth while on a Marantz 5015? I just ordered a pair of Martin Logan Motion 40i fronts.
I'm only using five channels and it has instructions for just this scenario. "This system plays back 5.1-channels. You can use the bi-amp connection for front speakers. Bi-amp connection is a method to connect separate amplifiers to the tweeter terminal and woofer terminal of a speaker that supports bi-amplification. This connection enables back EMF (power returned without being output) from the woofer to flow into the tweeter without affecting the sound quality, producing a higher sound quality."
I am sorry buy why not to bi-amp book-shelf speakers? Anyone can explain more? Great thanks
I've bi-amped my Bronze 100s. I really just did it for two channel cranking it really loud for music. (I play music louder than movies 😂) I don't think it's making a big difference. But I haven't heard any negatives listening either so I'll just leave it be.
Would you bi amp the denon avr x 6700w to a set of polk towers that are bi amp ready
How about doing bi-amping using an external stereo amp to run woofers and AVR amp to run tweeters.
MY SYTEM IS 3.1 LOOKING AT ADDING 2 REAR SPEAKERS. I bi-amped used the surround channel connection for mids. my Pioneer Elite SC-35 on a pair of Wilkins & Bowers 686. I think I notice crisper highs when listening to dts or DD. What I do notice when listening to STEREO output it's very tinny no mid. When my system was not biamped the sound did not have the tinny sound with STEREO output. WHY IS THAT? Also When I use AUTO mcacc. The Amp is +12 on the mids or the surround output.
I got some speakers that are bi amp capable, now I want to use it, my question is do big recievers split the highs and lows when set to bi amp, or do they send the full signal? I can't decide if I should get a better receiver, 2 amps, or one more powerful amp. Thanks to anybody who can answer this for me.
I have a Denon X4400H that I want to run in stereo only. Would this benefit from bi-amping my speakers or should I just leave as standard connection?
Thanks
It made a difference when I did it with a Sony AVR. Still can't seem to get it to work on my Denon 6500H. I don't think there is a answer to your question. In some applications you won't hear a difference. In others it can be noticeably better. Best way is to try and have a listen.
I have a Sr7009 and I have 5.1+bi amp in one room for home theater, and two channels in the bedroom as a bonus. I could then skip the stereo amp in the bedroom, as well as benifit from the better dac in the marantz. (had line out from the nuc pc before)
Using a Sony 7.2 channel AVR in a 3.1 speaker configuration. I bi-amp the front speakers thereby using 5 of the available 7 amplifier channels. No noticeable sound difference at normal listening levels. Ignoring power supply limitations, each amplifier channel is operating at one-half of the power load compared to a standard speaker connection.
I'm kind of torn, using Yamaha Rx-V683 and Klipsch R28F speakers, no other speakers, just can't decide if it's better with or without :-/
I have the pioneer sc lx801. The bi-amp feature was noticable with my klipsch rp280f speakers at higher volumes. Better bass response and cleaner highs. Though l did buy a 7 channel power amp and no longer need to bi-amp as the amp puts out more than enough power per channel
Always curious about this, since you're sharing the same power supply. There's no efficiency delta here at all, you're just using different outputs.
I have a question, id like to biamp on my anthem mrx 720, but the feature apears to be lacking. is there a way around this ?
Short answer: no. Long answer, if you have a receiver where the power supply is really capable per the massive Denon did, why not? Me, I have a 5 channel amp that is a true monoblock design and used the extra channels to bi amp. The speakers (ATC SCM 19s, you should review!) are 85db efficient and did seem to benefit from the extra juice. I'm now using an Anthem STR integrated, so no more bi amping for me.
I have a ATI 3000 amplifier three channel and ave 4400h denon receiver I have two tower Martin Logan speaker 60 xti should I bi wire do do I take off metal plate or i’ll leave it on let me know please
So what I have is a pair of Klipsch RF 7's with a Yamaha RX A6A, delivering 150 w per channel. Will Bi-Amping give me more power since the Speakers can handle 250W or will the available power be divided ?
i have pioneer vsx 1018 and ess 8i in stereo mode only...can i bi amp?
I’m using a pioneer vsx-1131 with monitor audio mr4. I haven’t notice any difference with bi-amping but I made it just because avr and speakers were capable off that feature. I really don’t know if my setup worth it.
Hey Gene 😀
First of all, a very big Thank You for the great knowledge you put into this. I have watched a few of your videos by now and I must say you do a pretty good job 👍
My setup:
Marantz SR4003 drives the mid and high on my Yamaha NS-777 front speakers. I used the front pre-outs for my ROTEL BX956AX power amp in bridge mode, that drives the front woofers.
Subwoofer: Rockford Fosgate Punch III 10" 400w rms, peak 800w driven by ROTEL RB-980BX bridged to 1 * 360w rms 8 ohm.
Good day to everyone 🤗
Would a 9-channel Denon x-3700h w/ 105 watts per channel used to bi-amp towers be worthwhile? (Towers are Klipsch RP-8000f II).
Would bi-amp make a difference?
Just buy high sensitivity speakers then after you get the bug buy amps in time. You can also tweak the input levels in the meantime.
i have a pioneer elite vsx-80 7.2 receiver and i think it says i can use the back speaker outs for bi amping the front mains. i think it probably wouldn't help the sound all that much because it's not high end like you described but if i'm not using the back surrounds would it hurt to do it? you said you wouldn't do it but it can't hurt right? maybe it wouldn't help the speakers much but at worst it's the same with or without right?
I have been passive biamping with two separate Parasounds along with my DENON but I have a Onkyo 9 channel reciever with a massive power supply the TXNR 5009 model which came out in the day 2011 . I like to try to biamp with that as a option . Toridal power supply excuse the spelling that AVR weighs 55 lbs with out it's box something to think about. I realize when Atmos came out they cut corners on the power supplies.
I have the Onkyo tx-nr5008. Almost the same with other looks. Massive beast. Never bothered bi-amping but heard the result can be very different depending on the speakers used. It's not necessarily getting better. Love to hear your experience.
sure when the time is right for me I am staying at a short time at my step daughters house and when I get my home media going again Ill try the bi amping with that AVR. thanks for replying back.
I have an Pioneer VSX-LX504. Is it powerful enough to support bi-amping?
Bi-amping with Marantz SR8002 and B&W 703s. It’s a bit more powerful than the 8015 based on your measurements Gene.
Every extra sticker costs $500 and/or 50 watts of power:). That 8002 was the best deal of all time in terms of power per dollar.
I bi-amp my Martin Logan towers, with two Parasound stereo amplifiers. I love their performance via this configuration. Personally, I left AV receivers behind many years ago. I only use separates because I prefer that approach.
I have Yamaha HTR5660 with tower Yamaha NS555 running speakers A to highs and speakers B to lows. What if i just split speakers A highs n lows to 1 tower and speakers B highs n lows to other tower?
I'm using heavy gauge 6ft wires to each which seem to sound better with more power or volume than when I tried connecting banana plugs, which I removed to use only bare wire again.
And i wonder what if i left the bridge on and ran same way using speakers A&B, would that be like using double power?
Can I bi amp from one 5 channel external amplifier? I want to use two channels each out to Polk R700. I thing the amp is rated at 90 watts x 5 channels. The last channel will not be used. I was wondering if its as simple as 90 watts x 2 = 180 watts into 4ohm speakers. I did notice that sometimes when power to 4ohm loads the watts increase. I don't want to blow anything up. Amp:5 Channel Monoprice Monolith 90w x5. Avr: Sony AN1000 165w x7.. Maybe I can bi amp using one as a hfa and the other as a lfa?
Hi Gene, I have a Marantz SR6011 along with 2 KEF R900 tower speakers. Should I bi amp?
Bi-amping makes sense only if the speaker reaches such power ranges, where the amplifier is already starting to distort in the low-frequency part, but the speaker can still handle even more power.
Distortion in the bass range is not as disturbing as in the mid-high range. Thus, with bi-amping, we achieve clear mid-highs even when the amplifier (not its power supply) is working at the limit of its power.
The problem with AV receivers is always the power supply, very rarely the amplifiers... so bi-amping rarely makes sense.
It is different with external amplifiers (for one speaker)... where, for example, with stereo amplifiers this approach makes sense, but only on the condition that the power supply can handle at least approx. 20-30% more power than only one power stage requires.
My example is the five-channel Monrio MP5 power stage, which has 3 toroids and 5 identical channels. One 300w toroid powers the center channel, and two 400w toroids power two channels each. So with this multi-channel final stage I can drive all three front speakers each with their own power supply...left and right even with "good-sense" bi-amping.
So the AV receiver (Onkyo TX-RZ900) is relieved and drives only 4 speakers - two surround and two Atmos. This is bi-amping that makes sense.
Danny says the double posts are just more Antennas for interference
I have a Yamaha RX-V4A 5.2 channel receiver. I'm looking to upgrade my towers and center channel. Emotiva T0+ for the towers and maybe a C2+ for the center channel. I'm only running two towers and a center. When I upgrade, do you think it would be a good idea to bi amp? The speakers are 4ohm.
I don't think I can run an external amp because I don't see a pre out for that.
Ok should I bi amp with the Denon AVC X700h
I have an Onkyo NR797 and a set of old Polk Audio Monitor 70 that I use for my home theater. Would it benefit me in any way to bi-amp those speakers. Will I be losing anything in doing that? I also have a set of Pioneer sp-bs22a-lr could I bi-amp those and use as fronts for my home theater instead of the Polk Audios. I am in a small apartment with 2 heights (SVS Prime ), Polk Monitor 7- fronts and Polk audio surrounds and was using the Pioneer sp-bs22a-lr and backs. I have 2 subwoofers (Polk Audio 10 and Airmotiv SE12 )