@@rutyqutykandi1361Part of it is certainly due to different writers having different takes when writing some characters (Maighread Scott's Starscream vs. John Barber's Screamer).
@@juanyusee8197 Yeah, it's why, while I like Skybound from what I'm hearing, I'm going to give it time. Because when comics change writers a lot, the vision can become very disjointed.
This is a bit of a weak comparison given how IDW wished to show his new take on their flawed complex optimus and the lineage and history of the primes, while Skybound's Optimus is... just the G1. I love them both!!!!!! But they aren't the same.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 That too. There's probably going to be lots of lore swaps as with every TF comic, so dont expect stuff to remain like this for long.
I think my favorite thing about Skybound's comics is that they feel like their G1 self but with a more "mature" feeling, like, you said Optimus has the perfect balance between a gentle leader and the best warrior of the Autobots because that's what a leader can and must do for its people.
So far, the Skybound series has truly been fantastic, and I truly hope it continues because we need more Transformers media that take inspiration from this wonderful run so far.
IDW was ran by people who hated the comic industry for the last remaining years they had the IP. Glad it’s in better hands, by people who respect the industry and the fans.
I thought killing off Bumblebee was honestly a fresh move (I know, IDW did that in Dark Cybertron, but came back eventually). Helps give more characters like Cliffjumper more attention. (tho I have feeling its likely he comes back, knowing his status in being Hasbro's golden boy)
I love Skybound Optimus, he feels like a good leader while also feeling like a big brother to his allies. The scene where he explores the wilderness in amazement only to crush a deer under his foot by accident, and immediately feels bad about his size and how hes used to *his* world is so good.
The ripping off one's own arm just to beat others with it is a tribute to Mobile Suits Gundam: the 08 MS Team. That single episode was responsible for numerous iconic scenes for urban mecha combats, war dramas, and manly resolves.
I think both IDW and Skybound are very good. They have very different approaches in some ways that are interesting. I don't think its really fair to compare the two when IDWs original run was nearly 15 years long. I will say as long as Furman stays FAR away I think we'll be okay.
@@B-rex395 He's never understood the idea of female Transformers, since he feels that a race of giant alien robots "wouldn't have gender", which is BS because the male Transformers have always used male pronouns but Furman views that as "not having gender". I.E., he sees male as the default and female as an aberration. For IDW, Furman introduced Arcee as an originally male Transformer whose gender was forcibly switched, which comes off as insensitive to women, insensitive to trans people, and just a needlessly overcomplicated way to introduce the "unnatural" concept of gender to the giant transforming robot aliens.
To me the standard has always been Furman's run at the end of G1, but this series has been nothing short of epic. Can't wait to see where it goes. (And I'm also a big GI Joe fan - my two favorite toys as a kid.)
Even tho I finished IDW for the first time around 2023 Skybound is straight Peak transformers story telling with one of my favorite Optimus incarnations yet and some new concepts that get me more interested in how this worlds story and building will expand thru each issue. I just hope to see how some characters such as Sentinel Prime or the Wreckers will be portrayed if at all in this story
Thing about IDW is it got me to care about henchmen, roster filler and background characters. Before IDW I didn’t give two shits about Thundercracker, Whirl and Spinster but now they are some of my favourites
IDW had the issue that while their highs were very high, the lows were disastrous. Skybound is being consistently good to awesome. It will never replace the Lost Light crew in my heart, but second place is still epic.
The Energon Universe is also very young. IDW had Simon Furman in the beginning, and the writing quality was all over the place until James Roberts and John Barber came in. IDW1 gave us Furman, Roberts, and Barber. It also gave us Mike Costa…
@@brooklynbud1138 Can´t recall which parts Mike Costa did, but hardly can be as terrible as Furman´s Spotlight Arcee... unless he created IDW1´s Pyra Magna, that is.
@@danielmedela8725 Spotlight Arcee was fine. The hysteria around it will calm down. It’s just a bit of a sensitive topic right now because of the current political cringe
@@brooklynbud1138 It is not hysteria. It broke the world building to a point it had to be retconned. Either Jhiaxus was right all along, or you cannot have Elita-1, Chromia, or any other female bot in that world. Made by the same guy that wrote Prime's Rib, a comic of g1 UK in which Optimus built Arcee because he wanted to appease feminists. Pattern is visible. But, what did Mike Costa do? That awful Power of the Primes? Or deconstructing Optimus Prime as a fascist? Late idw1 was a mess outside of Rodimus crew.
13 showed Starscream wasn't born evil, he was corrupted by Megatron. Might even have been outright brainwashed, he clearly did NOT want to execute bots in cold blood. It's a fresh take, great writing.
Picked this up on a whim and have been blown away. The words, the art, the tone, all amazing. I will admit, I'm a little shocked at how many bots, on both sides, have already been junked, but it gives the story stakes that I appreciate.
I'm old enough (43) to recall the original UK comic, and the art style reminds me a little of it. I've not bought a transformers comic since the 1991 run ended..I might actually pick one of these up.
While I love IDW and Skybound’s issues, like IDW takes on obscure transformers characters and making them into a interesting character which I like, or even making a new character, or the Lore especially MTME, and has some of the sickest and badass Character designs I seen in any comics, while Skybound I like their actions scenes and gore art, the GI designs, some of the characters like Arcee, Ratchet, Cliffjumper, and Carly, and Optimus with Megatron’s cannon arm despite them killing off fan favorites without any spotlight so far like Kup, I don’t think we should’t at all comparing the two especially when Skybound is still making more issues and is new to the transformers community, and though I have both problems with Skybound and IDW’s comics, but I still have fun with their comics, especially the art as a artist myself that likes drawing transformers.
This comic gave us Starscream getting bodied by Soundwave before we even hit double digits. It's the kind of shit you'd only see in fanfiction. They literally proved that Soundwave is the 99% of the Decepticons. And I love the Energon Universe's steady build up of GI Joe as a result of the fallout of the transformers' presence on Earth, from the introduction of energon to the aftermath of the reawakening Autobots and Decepticons. It takes its time with it, but not too much time and I like that. My major gripe with IDW's Hasbro-verse was them just cramming so much shit in out of nowhere, even though I liked the premise. Because honestly, aside from GI Joe, Rom and MASK, everything besides Transformers didn't matter to me. I never realized that I needed to see Optimus using Megatron's cannon arm until now.
Thems some deep pulls. Seacons referenced, earth wars referenced. Armada starscream and his consequences have been disastrous for starscream adaptations.
I'm absolutely loving this inner John universe. This Transformers is the greatest thing they put out in years and I like how you put that this Optimus is strong enough to be gentle just like Peter Cullen described. You're so right on point
Optimus is an inspiring, powerful, caring and gentle leader who everyone looks up to, not a psycho killer deus ex machina who shows up to Dave the day and rip heads off for "plot"
I have truly mixed feelings about Skybound's run so far. The violence feels gritty and uncomfortable (a positive), and the characters are great (Optimus, Starscream, Soundwave, etc.). My only issue so far is... how dead is dead? It feels kinda wishy-washy at the moment. We've seen a lot of characters die so far, which would be really impactful as a "war is hell" kinda deal, but we've also seen some be brought back to life. That said, its really my only critique so far. Everything else is freaking perfect.
I just ready Vol 1 (chapters 1-6) yesterday. I agree with you... that part where "Sparky" entered into the matrix is really bad. There would be more better ways to sacrifice Sparkplug, if it was necessary for the story. Or at least if it was explained how the matrix drain lifeforce or something from living beings (organic or not), so that it made some kind of sense.
While I love the skybound series so far, the hate directed at IDW is bit much in my opinion. Some of my favorites stories and characters come from that series. MTMTE was peak and no one can change my mind.
I agree with you. Even though the beginning of IDW's first timeline wasn't perfect, it would get better by late 2011, when the Autobot-Decepticon war was over, Megatron becoming an Autobot, etc.
Looks like a tv show did the revenge arc better than this Cliffjumper vs Starscream, that being Depth Charge vs Rampage. Depth Charge spends most of his time in the beast wars show trying to kill the predacon who annihilated his colony, and the moment he finally gets to do it is when he sets his personal grudge aside in order to serve the greater maximal mission unfortunately killing himself in the process.
I had been hearing so much good things about this run that I waited for the first trade to come out this I'm still new the comics and all my reading is done in trades. But once I read Vol.1 I picked up all the single issues on my kindle of the whole EU and now I'm keeping up with it all. Can't wait to see where it all goes
Some people like Dream Wave because of the radically different and beautiful art . Some because of the time period, with TF going Anime in the US (Armada) . And some because it was the last time Simon Furman actually gave a fuck ... . (see : IDW not going anywhere for 2 years, and then the Autobots hiding in a cave for a year and then another year wasted thanks to IDW just handing their TF license to their guy who did G.I.Joe (hi Chris Sarracini) who had no idea what to do with TF's) Oh yeah, and let's not forget "Superstar Artist Pat Lee is BAAAADDDDD !!!! So say hello to Superstar Artist Don Figuroaaaa (!!!!!!!) and his suppa duppa details . SSSUUUUUUPPPPPPAAAAA DDDDDDUUUUUPPPPAAAAA DETAILS !! After which, until MTMTE IDW just totally gave up on art direction and could have had artists draw TF's as giants, or as midgets, it didn't matter one bit BECAUSE WE AREN'T DREAM WAVE AROUND HERE BUD ! NO INHOUSE STYLE FOR YOU. !! ALSO, CONSISTENCY "WUT DAT LOL" . IDW was so mid . Like that Barber "writer-editor" guy . The face and talent of mediocrity .
Sorry for disagreeing, but the first pac rim was ahead of it's time for Kaiju and big robot fight sequences. Pac rim 2 added daylight instead of thunderstorms and sun glares instead of lightning. I think the original always takes cake for being the better movie, and not just in its fight scenes.
Skybound set out to make the two sides distinct. Decepticons are evil. Autobots are good. And they did it. Now they will slowly muddy the lines. Good. Very good.
Marvel also started G.I. Joe's comic in the 80's, which never stopped running no matter who had the license and is still running under Skybound. Every Energon book is like Energon in my veins, heheheheheheh! The TF and Joe books pair so well with the soundtracks of their 80s shows (DWJ knew I was gonna play "The Touch" in Issue 6 and me reading the TF scene in the Free Comic Book Day special timed perfectly with "Instruments of Destruction"). I also ADORE the series giving these characters such profound respect for life; Optimus mourning the deer and The Matrix showing humans are no better or worse than Transformers by being powered by Sparkplug REALLY hit me...Which the contrasts DWJ killing Reflector just for not liking him and Frenzy because of RIBFIR commets, heheheheh! I get the feeling that all Energon books will run around 100 issues each (given GI Joe's slow build-up) and I would be very happy if that turns out to be true.
While I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s better than IDW, both are great and really have set the standard for what a transformers story can be. And even though I have issues with skybound that I feel IDW has over it (such as the way it handled killing characters) I really love both, and can’t wait to see where skybound goes in the future and earn its place alongside IDW and even surpass it.
I had to look it up and you're right, with Indy I was thinking of the Raiders of the Lost Ark adaptation and the cover I used for the video just happened to pop up not realizing it was from a different series entirely, and with Star Wars I was just flat out wrong. This is why you don't research late at night with little sleep.
Idk man, if we’re comparing Skybound’s start to IDW’s start, I say I still prefer IDW. Skybounds been great so far but none of it gave me the same rush of Thundercracker sweeping over the desert in “Infiltration”, chasing after Verity and Hunter. Being honest Skybound so far has felt almost comical with its gore and death, almost to the same degree as MTMTE, except in MTMTE a lot of the time when gore stuff happened, stuff like Ambulon getting bisected, Pipes getting stomped to death or Trailcutter getting murked by Vos and Kaon, the almost over the top gore and death was there to show it was permanent and there was no coming back, that they weren’t just medically going to be revived by Ratchet or First Aid. While reading Skybound, after the fourth or so issue I didn’t really feel there were any stakes for our characters since they can be revived from pretty much anything. It hasn’t yet convinced me Starscream and Bee are actually dead, or that any of the bots on cybertron during issue 7 are dead either. I’m enjoying it for the character interactions which are on par with early IDW/Infiltration (though still not hitting the same highs as MTMTE or Wreckers) but that’s kind of it. It doesn’t even have the interesting hook of seeing new designs for the characters since they’re all just pure unfiltered G1. Again comparing to infiltration, it was fun to see how designs had changed, be it in big or small ways and it made the comic itself more engaging. Idk maybe I’m being too harsh here but i feel like it is a decent issue
Hot take, I actually found early IDW under Furman frankly overrated and just painfully mediocre at best besides his storyline for Grimlock and the Dinobots as well as some of the Spotlight issues. One of my major gripes with Furman's IDW run (and Furman in general) is that he either doesn't know how to properly juggle an ensemble cast and/or is largely averse towards getting intimate with the cast, as a result his stories are much more event-centric with the space opera epics than character-centric, and as such a majority of the dialogue he writes is not only super stilted, dense and over-pretentious (especially Galvatron's, was never a fan of his take of IDW Galvy, he honestly became much more enjoyable as a villain under John Barber's pen IMHO), but also the way the characters talk are interchangeable (Furman's Decepticons are as a whole interchangeably thuggish) with few exceptions (eg. Grimlock). Meanwhile you don't get this problem with how Daniel Warren Johnson and even the later IDW1 writers (Roche, Roberts and Barber), because unlike Furman their stories are very character-driven, their characters actually feel like actual people with more natural-sounding dialogue that's not stilted and overcooked, which makes their work a lot more enjoyable to me than much of Furman's writing for IDW1 (again, Maximum Dinobots arc being one of the main exceptions).
@@juanyusee8197 yeah, that beggining was so, sooooo clunky. YK who furman reminds me of? George Lucas. Bloody excellent ideas and worldbuilding concepts, but they fumble the fucking bag so hard because they just cannot write for shit. Thats how we get garbage like Spotlight: Arcee.
Idw is still better for giving characters who are barely even talked about or given spotlight some interesting character like Whirl, Thundercracker, Tarn, The combaticons, Sky-byte, and Cyclonus. Then they take great risk with characters like shockwave
I read every issue of IDW until the first continuity ended in 2017. I've not read a single issue of skybound simply because IDW just broke me down how awful it got especially in the last few years. But I can already tell Skybound is way better. I hope to get TPB when they become available. Also, just for the record. I know it's not popular, but DW had my favorite stories, too bad it just never got to finish.
I didn't even read many of the comics and it still kinda broke down for me as an outsider. I'll be interested in reading through Skybound after its had a lot more issues and still seems to be running strong. I'm only doing this because I am afraid it could wind up losing steam or its vision.
@@SpootprimeNo, it got bad, but then it had one good run that was arguably better than the entirety of the pre All Hail Megatron comics, so you win some, you lose some
spoilers 12:09 i've got i crack pot theory that sparky is gonna come back later on with him becoming a transtector of sorts and OP is gonna become powermaster optimus prime
It's so shocking to me to read sll the comments here, talking dirty about IDW's run of comics (2005 - 2018, especifically). My feelings about their runs aside, IDW was the one to bring the Autobot-Decepticon war to an end for good, turned barely popular characters into fan-favorites (Thundercracker, Tailgate, Brainstorm, Prowl, and Chromedome, to name a few), redeemed Megatron, and did everything interesting after the war. Not all about IDW's first continuity was gold, though, and examples are most of Furman's stories (mainly that dreadful Spotlight on Arcee), most of the Phase I, and the entire Phase III and how IDW awkwardly attempted to bring all Hasbro's properties into one universe. Now, even when I've enjoyed Skybound's work so far, it's soon to say if their work is superior to IDW's, but I can say it's just to appeal to nostalgia.
I love this video but I'm going to point out Bayverse-Optimus is the same Optimus that both forgave and protected a man that made billions off of melting down the corpses of dead autobots and transforming their desecrated remains into military slave drones. He would absolutely turn into a truck for a kid with cancer.
Skybound’s Transformers comic is fantastic. Void Rivals is intriguing, but I hope it doesn’t rely too too much on the Transformers. I would prefer it to stand on its own legs as much as possible. Duke and Cobra Commander are okay, but Joshua Williamson had a great Flash run in the DC Rebirth era. He’s great at taking characters I couldn’t care less about and at least making me intrigued at bit. But it’s obvious Transformers is the flagship comic here. It’s just different than IDW. Both are excellent. IDW just had a very WTF ending as Hasbro tried integrating some of its other (horrible) properties. Who the hell wanted ROM and Action Man and Micronauts?
This is the first Transformers (and G.I. Joe) comic that I've been reading as it releases. My biggest problem with the IDW comics was how much romance they crammed in. And if you ever SAY you didn't like that, people assume you're being homophobic, since so many of the relationships were homosexual (but that's just because of the massive gender imbalance). I just don't understand a species that doesn't reproduce sexually having romantic desires. Close friendships, sure but romance just seems silly.
I freakin' hate how they added romance too. Latter IDW failed to understand the appeal of platonic bonds. Transformers is one of the only series that you don't have to even consider touching romance at all, yet they went there and made it all weird. The idea of a species that doesn't have these sexual concepts makes Cybertronians far more interesting IMO. Camaraderie and friendship are far deeper ties than romance, and it just feels like they were projecting fleshling human organic feelings onto something that was far better off without it. Simon Furman was right about this.
@@spriggylotus4476 Exactly. A lot of the relationships in the comics would have been better without them getting all touchy-feely and romantic. This franchise has always had human and organic alien characters, have THEM get in the romantic relationships. Any piece of media that portrays Optimus and Megatron as close friends prior to the war is a good idea. But if they made them make out before that it'd just feel absurd.
I've been dancing around purchasing the new comics for Transformers, and your video has given that last push to give the series a proper chance. I've been hearing good things about it so far, but haven't really purchased the single issues. I do wonder if I will have to seek out the other series in GI Joe and Void Rivals, as I don't know if I can afford the headache and empty wallet for all the other series' issues.
I know I'm probs alone but IDW post All Hail Megatron was just not my thing, I honestly hated most of what they did and how disrespectfully they treated Optimus Prime. All the conjux stuff was weird and felt like a bad fan-fiction, hated it. Again that's just me.
@@Spootprime Well Bub, it's just bad horny writing focused on sexuality. Cyclonus and Tailgate....like give me a break. What little Dreamwave had before cancelation was far superior to IDW as a whole and I stand by that.
I don't click with this book the way a lot of people do. I see a lot of positives, the more humane moments and some of the dynamic art is great but I found myself loosing interest, finding the plot and some of the writing convoluted, finding some of the art difficult to follow and honestly I felt the last couple of issues of Vol 1 were very messy. I also found the decepticons...ridiculously excessive. Going into the second half and the real test, I feel...whelmed. Nothing is grabbing me. The initial joy of the humanity of someone like Prime is also hit by relatively little happening, a splash page character reveal clearly meant to shock that I feel the art made me go "what? Who" a lot and a revival I felt undervalued a lot of what was established not a couple of issues ago (common comic issue of course but I think reviving a character who had an important death not even one year down the line just makes me go "well I'll never worry about anyone again"). I was curious and read a bunch of Warren Johnson's work after and realised a lot of what he writes just in how its structured (or the copious wrestling references which is a form of entertainment that does not speak to me) is not for me. I'd say I've highs of like 7/10 and lows of 4/10 with book, with an average very much 5 or 6
Transformers/Gi-Joe. Man I know it like always happens but I can’t stand it, i never was a fan of gi-Jo but whenever they crossover into transformers I can’t stand it more. I want the robots, I know it’s close minded but I know what I like you know? When they inevitably crossover again in the movies thats when I’ll try it again but I’m not necessarily looking forward to it you know?
I've heard good things about the book and I've flipped through it but still hesitant about the art, back in the 90's it took me awhile to warm up to Geoff Senior when he worked on Marvel's TF comic but enough of this abstract experimental artsy fartsy POS, I want to see nice clean sharp art in the likes of Don Figueroa and Guido Guidi, hell I'll even accept Pat Lee if he ever comes out from hiding. If Skybound wants my money they have to cut this BS right now!!
IDW may have lasted the longest as transformers goes but it set the bar pretty low IMO. This does look like typical Kirkman, toon style with adult violence and adolescent themes. Sounds better but still not my personal preferrence.
Between this and IDW's recent run with Sonic, I'm glad so many of my childhood favourites are enjoying such a golden age in their comic formats these days 😊
I just wished skybound tried to stray away a bit from the blocky G1 designs, I think idw had a good middleground between recognisability and more complex designs. Definitely a me thing though considering I didnt grow up with the 80s cartoon
IDW took literal years to really show you who Optimus Prime is at his core.
Skybound did it in 2 issues.
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*_Issues_*
Yeah, IDW has cool ideas but when you try and put them all together it doesn't always match up.
@@rutyqutykandi1361Part of it is certainly due to different writers having different takes when writing some characters (Maighread Scott's Starscream vs. John Barber's Screamer).
@@juanyusee8197 Yeah, it's why, while I like Skybound from what I'm hearing, I'm going to give it time. Because when comics change writers a lot, the vision can become very disjointed.
This is a bit of a weak comparison given how IDW wished to show his new take on their flawed complex optimus and the lineage and history of the primes, while Skybound's Optimus is... just the G1.
I love them both!!!!!! But they aren't the same.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 That too. There's probably going to be lots of lore swaps as with every TF comic, so dont expect stuff to remain like this for long.
I think my favorite thing about Skybound's comics is that they feel like their G1 self but with a more "mature" feeling, like, you said Optimus has the perfect balance between a gentle leader and the best warrior of the Autobots because that's what a leader can and must do for its people.
So far, the Skybound series has truly been fantastic, and I truly hope it continues because we need more Transformers media that take inspiration from this wonderful run so far.
Agreed. It’s a breath of fresh air. Pure and simple. No pretentious politics. No asinine shipping. No pseudo complex dilemmas. Just simple fun.
@@vladkornienko7889 we need more beast wars/TransTechs comics more often.
Personally I like the fact Optimus refuses to be repaired until the others are first it really fits into his character imo
IDW was ran by people who hated the comic industry for the last remaining years they had the IP. Glad it’s in better hands, by people who respect the industry and the fans.
IDW had some controversial comic books about Transformers. Believe me, I know what I am writing.
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I thought killing off Bumblebee was honestly a fresh move (I know, IDW did that in Dark Cybertron, but came back eventually). Helps give more characters like Cliffjumper more attention. (tho I have feeling its likely he comes back, knowing his status in being Hasbro's golden boy)
If they do bring him back I hope he's in his Goldbug/Goldfire look to at least be different and unique
It would be fine if he'll be back as Goldfire or Goldbug.
If he'll come back as Bumblebee, screw that.
Love skybounds cliffjumper
except they only did it to be different and seem like theyre edgy and cool
What they killed Bee?!?!?! Now I really need to go read this book. I hate Bee and all of the overrated hype he gets from the movies.
I love Skybound Optimus, he feels like a good leader while also feeling like a big brother to his allies. The scene where he explores the wilderness in amazement only to crush a deer under his foot by accident, and immediately feels bad about his size and how hes used to *his* world is so good.
The ripping off one's own arm just to beat others with it is a tribute to Mobile Suits Gundam: the 08 MS Team. That single episode was responsible for numerous iconic scenes for urban mecha combats, war dramas, and manly resolves.
I lost my shit when I saw that. Also the panel of Optimus whipping out his axe for the first time is so incredibly cold.
I think both IDW and Skybound are very good. They have very different approaches in some ways that are interesting. I don't think its really fair to compare the two when IDWs original run was nearly 15 years long. I will say as long as Furman stays FAR away I think we'll be okay.
Yeah, by the early 2000's that dude was already spun out. Fuck him.
What did furman do?
@@B-rex395 He's never understood the idea of female Transformers, since he feels that a race of giant alien robots "wouldn't have gender", which is BS because the male Transformers have always used male pronouns but Furman views that as "not having gender". I.E., he sees male as the default and female as an aberration. For IDW, Furman introduced Arcee as an originally male Transformer whose gender was forcibly switched, which comes off as insensitive to women, insensitive to trans people, and just a needlessly overcomplicated way to introduce the "unnatural" concept of gender to the giant transforming robot aliens.
To me the standard has always been Furman's run at the end of G1, but this series has been nothing short of epic. Can't wait to see where it goes. (And I'm also a big GI Joe fan - my two favorite toys as a kid.)
You and me both, late marvel G1 was a legendary run but this is honestly blowing all my expectations out the water
Skybond transformers is really awesome and badass in my opinion.
This right opinion!
@@vladkornienko7889 thank you 😊
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Even tho I finished IDW for the first time around 2023 Skybound is straight Peak transformers story telling with one of my favorite Optimus incarnations yet and some new concepts that get me more interested in how this worlds story and building will expand thru each issue. I just hope to see how some characters such as Sentinel Prime or the Wreckers will be portrayed if at all in this story
Thing about IDW is it got me to care about henchmen, roster filler and background characters.
Before IDW I didn’t give two shits about Thundercracker, Whirl and Spinster but now they are some of my favourites
A heart g1 of father and care. And a bayverse of brutality.
Brutality is the weak's language.
This would make a great animated series, if done right
sadly it probably wouldn't be done well
IDW had the issue that while their highs were very high, the lows were disastrous. Skybound is being consistently good to awesome. It will never replace the Lost Light crew in my heart, but second place is still epic.
bUt mEgAtRoN cOuLdE bE reDeEmEd! Look, it’s like that drunk asshole Dostoevsky wrote!
The Energon Universe is also very young. IDW had Simon Furman in the beginning, and the writing quality was all over the place until James Roberts and John Barber came in. IDW1 gave us Furman, Roberts, and Barber. It also gave us Mike Costa…
@@brooklynbud1138 Can´t recall which parts Mike Costa did, but hardly can be as terrible as Furman´s Spotlight Arcee... unless he created IDW1´s Pyra Magna, that is.
@@danielmedela8725 Spotlight Arcee was fine. The hysteria around it will calm down. It’s just a bit of a sensitive topic right now because of the current political cringe
@@brooklynbud1138 It is not hysteria. It broke the world building to a point it had to be retconned. Either Jhiaxus was right all along, or you cannot have Elita-1, Chromia, or any other female bot in that world. Made by the same guy that wrote Prime's Rib, a comic of g1 UK in which Optimus built Arcee because he wanted to appease feminists. Pattern is visible. But, what did Mike Costa do? That awful Power of the Primes? Or deconstructing Optimus Prime as a fascist? Late idw1 was a mess outside of Rodimus crew.
I love skybound Starscream especially after issue 13 and 14
13 showed Starscream wasn't born evil, he was corrupted by Megatron. Might even have been outright brainwashed, he clearly did NOT want to execute bots in cold blood. It's a fresh take, great writing.
Picked this up on a whim and have been blown away. The words, the art, the tone, all amazing. I will admit, I'm a little shocked at how many bots, on both sides, have already been junked, but it gives the story stakes that I appreciate.
For me it makes it harder to get invested.
I'm old enough (43) to recall the original UK comic, and the art style reminds me a little of it. I've not bought a transformers comic since the 1991 run ended..I might actually pick one of these up.
While I love IDW and Skybound’s issues, like IDW takes on obscure transformers characters and making them into a interesting character which I like, or even making a new character, or the Lore especially MTME, and has some of the sickest and badass Character designs I seen in any comics, while Skybound I like their actions scenes and gore art, the GI designs, some of the characters like Arcee, Ratchet, Cliffjumper, and Carly, and Optimus with Megatron’s cannon arm despite them killing off fan favorites without any spotlight so far like Kup, I don’t think we should’t at all comparing the two especially when Skybound is still making more issues and is new to the transformers community, and though I have both problems with Skybound and IDW’s comics, but I still have fun with their comics, especially the art as a artist myself that likes drawing transformers.
personally i hope the people at Skybound one day revisit the RID 2001, Unicron Trilogy, and Animated universes
the creator of Invincible Robert Kickman, is still creating the comic, take it easy.
Robert Kirkman is working on void rivals a different series that is connected to the Transformers in this universe.
@@nikhilmosley6131 🤔By we have a mystery about how the Decepticon Jetfire went offline inside a rock.🤔🤔🤔
@@Miranha-SupremoV18yeah that is a good question
But what do you think about the Energon Universe.
@@nikhilmosley6131 🤔the Energon Universe has Potential, but only time will tell since the Energon Universe is Recent, Let's just take it easy ok.
Skybound gave us Optimus prime dual wielding megatron's ion cannon arm while using his own arm as a melee weapon-
Just binge read to catch up and I love how it has the action and robo violence of the Bay movies woth G1 designs
ah Megas XLR...hits right into childhood
This comic gave us Starscream getting bodied by Soundwave before we even hit double digits. It's the kind of shit you'd only see in fanfiction. They literally proved that Soundwave is the 99% of the Decepticons.
And I love the Energon Universe's steady build up of GI Joe as a result of the fallout of the transformers' presence on Earth, from the introduction of energon to the aftermath of the reawakening Autobots and Decepticons. It takes its time with it, but not too much time and I like that. My major gripe with IDW's Hasbro-verse was them just cramming so much shit in out of nowhere, even though I liked the premise. Because honestly, aside from GI Joe, Rom and MASK, everything besides Transformers didn't matter to me.
I never realized that I needed to see Optimus using Megatron's cannon arm until now.
Chicks dig giant robots
Thems some deep pulls. Seacons referenced, earth wars referenced.
Armada starscream and his consequences have been disastrous for starscream adaptations.
I'm absolutely loving this inner John universe. This Transformers is the greatest thing they put out in years and I like how you put that this Optimus is strong enough to be gentle just like Peter Cullen described. You're so right on point
Duke and Cobra Commander were always meant as 5 issue miniseries.
They're getting sequels in Scarlet and Destro respectively.
Optimus is an inspiring, powerful, caring and gentle leader who everyone looks up to, not a psycho killer deus ex machina who shows up to Dave the day and rip heads off for "plot"
Bay's Optimus should be fighting alongside Snyder's Superman and talk how unredeemable humans are.
It makes perfect sense to me that Cobra Commander is a prequel/setup/pilot for the inevitable G.I. Joe comic.
I have truly mixed feelings about Skybound's run so far. The violence feels gritty and uncomfortable (a positive), and the characters are great (Optimus, Starscream, Soundwave, etc.). My only issue so far is... how dead is dead? It feels kinda wishy-washy at the moment. We've seen a lot of characters die so far, which would be really impactful as a "war is hell" kinda deal, but we've also seen some be brought back to life.
That said, its really my only critique so far. Everything else is freaking perfect.
Read the 13 issues and got to say that this series so far is awesome. I am waiting for Prawl to appear.
I just ready Vol 1 (chapters 1-6) yesterday. I agree with you... that part where "Sparky" entered into the matrix is really bad. There would be more better ways to sacrifice Sparkplug, if it was necessary for the story. Or at least if it was explained how the matrix drain lifeforce or something from living beings (organic or not), so that it made some kind of sense.
While I love the skybound series so far, the hate directed at IDW is bit much in my opinion. Some of my favorites stories and characters come from that series. MTMTE was peak and no one can change my mind.
I agree with you. Even though the beginning of IDW's first timeline wasn't perfect, it would get better by late 2011, when the Autobot-Decepticon war was over, Megatron becoming an Autobot, etc.
Soooo much better than IDW. Even got nominated for a couple Eisner Awards recently
I absolutely love this new series.
Looks like a tv show did the revenge arc better than this Cliffjumper vs Starscream, that being Depth Charge vs Rampage. Depth Charge spends most of his time in the beast wars show trying to kill the predacon who annihilated his colony, and the moment he finally gets to do it is when he sets his personal grudge aside in order to serve the greater maximal mission unfortunately killing himself in the process.
4:44 3 main starscreams starscream is the first starscream the 2nd one is the dorito man and the 3rd is the brave warrior
I had been hearing so much good things about this run that I waited for the first trade to come out this I'm still new the comics and all my reading is done in trades. But once I read Vol.1 I picked up all the single issues on my kindle of the whole EU and now I'm keeping up with it all. Can't wait to see where it all goes
Transformers skybound 🤝 demon slayer
(Both kill beloved characters with no mercy)
Demon Slayer was terrible.
At least Transformers gives them purposs instead of killing them all at the last arc
Some people like Dream Wave because of the radically different and beautiful art .
Some because of the time period, with TF going Anime in the US (Armada) .
And some because it was the last time Simon Furman actually gave a fuck ... .
(see : IDW not going anywhere for 2 years, and then the Autobots hiding in a cave for a year and then another year wasted thanks to IDW just handing their TF license to their guy who did G.I.Joe (hi Chris Sarracini) who had no idea what to do with TF's)
Oh yeah, and let's not forget "Superstar Artist Pat Lee is BAAAADDDDD !!!! So say hello to Superstar Artist Don Figuroaaaa (!!!!!!!) and his suppa duppa details . SSSUUUUUUPPPPPPAAAAA DDDDDDUUUUUPPPPAAAAA DETAILS !!
After which, until MTMTE IDW just totally gave up on art direction and could have had artists draw TF's as giants, or as midgets, it didn't matter one bit BECAUSE WE AREN'T DREAM WAVE AROUND HERE BUD ! NO INHOUSE STYLE FOR YOU. !! ALSO, CONSISTENCY "WUT DAT LOL" .
IDW was so mid . Like that Barber "writer-editor" guy .
The face and talent of mediocrity .
Currently my favorite universe (need to catch up with void rivals and I havnt started with GIjoe yet)
did you know that. soundwaves face is actually the inspiration of the decepticon logo?
I won’t stand for this Huffer slander 😂
We got IDW hate before GTA 6 🙏🏿😭
That arm ripping is from Gundam EZ-8 move
oh, i didn't know about the skybound transfer (still catching up to idw's run)
One may say… you were still in the Ark! Tuga-dunce!
Sorry for disagreeing, but the first pac rim was ahead of it's time for Kaiju and big robot fight sequences. Pac rim 2 added daylight instead of thunderstorms and sun glares instead of lightning. I think the original always takes cake for being the better movie, and not just in its fight scenes.
I was fucking super impressed with their optimus prime from the start. If's like G1 cartoon with modern maturity and I fucking love it
Umm....these are robots AT WAR WITH EACH OTHER.
Skybound set out to make the two sides distinct. Decepticons are evil. Autobots are good. And they did it. Now they will slowly muddy the lines. Good. Very good.
1:01 aaand that's what earns you my subscription XD
Can’t wait for issue 10!
It was so sad and yet so beautiful to see optimus kill for mistake a animal in the comics...
You did a great job on this Video Major!
So far, Skybound leagues above the IDW 2. We will we if the new company will manage to keep a good stride.
Marvel also started G.I. Joe's comic in the 80's, which never stopped running no matter who had the license and is still running under Skybound.
Every Energon book is like Energon in my veins, heheheheheheh! The TF and Joe books pair so well with the soundtracks of their 80s shows (DWJ knew I was gonna play "The Touch" in Issue 6 and me reading the TF scene in the Free Comic Book Day special timed perfectly with "Instruments of Destruction"). I also ADORE the series giving these characters such profound respect for life; Optimus mourning the deer and The Matrix showing humans are no better or worse than Transformers by being powered by Sparkplug REALLY hit me...Which the contrasts DWJ killing Reflector just for not liking him and Frenzy because of RIBFIR commets, heheheheh!
I get the feeling that all Energon books will run around 100 issues each (given GI Joe's slow build-up) and I would be very happy if that turns out to be true.
the live action movies need to follow this storyline
I can't wait to see how the dinobots get portrayed here
While I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s better than IDW, both are great and really have set the standard for what a transformers story can be. And even though I have issues with skybound that I feel IDW has over it (such as the way it handled killing characters) I really love both, and can’t wait to see where skybound goes in the future and earn its place alongside IDW and even surpass it.
0:35 Pretty sure both Star Wars and Indy Marvel series were ongoings, not mini series
I had to look it up and you're right, with Indy I was thinking of the Raiders of the Lost Ark adaptation and the cover I used for the video just happened to pop up not realizing it was from a different series entirely, and with Star Wars I was just flat out wrong. This is why you don't research late at night with little sleep.
Idk man, if we’re comparing Skybound’s start to IDW’s start, I say I still prefer IDW. Skybounds been great so far but none of it gave me the same rush of Thundercracker sweeping over the desert in “Infiltration”, chasing after Verity and Hunter.
Being honest Skybound so far has felt almost comical with its gore and death, almost to the same degree as MTMTE, except in MTMTE a lot of the time when gore stuff happened, stuff like Ambulon getting bisected, Pipes getting stomped to death or Trailcutter getting murked by Vos and Kaon, the almost over the top gore and death was there to show it was permanent and there was no coming back, that they weren’t just medically going to be revived by Ratchet or First Aid. While reading Skybound, after the fourth or so issue I didn’t really feel there were any stakes for our characters since they can be revived from pretty much anything. It hasn’t yet convinced me Starscream and Bee are actually dead, or that any of the bots on cybertron during issue 7 are dead either. I’m enjoying it for the character interactions which are on par with early IDW/Infiltration (though still not hitting the same highs as MTMTE or Wreckers) but that’s kind of it.
It doesn’t even have the interesting hook of seeing new designs for the characters since they’re all just pure unfiltered G1. Again comparing to infiltration, it was fun to see how designs had changed, be it in big or small ways and it made the comic itself more engaging.
Idk maybe I’m being too harsh here but i feel like it is a decent issue
Hot take, I actually found early IDW under Furman frankly overrated and just painfully mediocre at best besides his storyline for Grimlock and the Dinobots as well as some of the Spotlight issues.
One of my major gripes with Furman's IDW run (and Furman in general) is that he either doesn't know how to properly juggle an ensemble cast and/or is largely averse towards getting intimate with the cast, as a result his stories are much more event-centric with the space opera epics than character-centric, and as such a majority of the dialogue he writes is not only super stilted, dense and over-pretentious (especially Galvatron's, was never a fan of his take of IDW Galvy, he honestly became much more enjoyable as a villain under John Barber's pen IMHO), but also the way the characters talk are interchangeable (Furman's Decepticons are as a whole interchangeably thuggish) with few exceptions (eg. Grimlock).
Meanwhile you don't get this problem with how Daniel Warren Johnson and even the later IDW1 writers (Roche, Roberts and Barber), because unlike Furman their stories are very character-driven, their characters actually feel like actual people with more natural-sounding dialogue that's not stilted and overcooked, which makes their work a lot more enjoyable to me than much of Furman's writing for IDW1 (again, Maximum Dinobots arc being one of the main exceptions).
@@juanyusee8197 yeah, that beggining was so, sooooo clunky.
YK who furman reminds me of? George Lucas. Bloody excellent ideas and worldbuilding concepts, but they fumble the fucking bag so hard because they just cannot write for shit. Thats how we get garbage like Spotlight: Arcee.
Idw is still better for giving characters who are barely even talked about or given spotlight some interesting character like Whirl, Thundercracker, Tarn, The combaticons, Sky-byte, and Cyclonus. Then they take great risk with characters like shockwave
The weird shipping of Cyclonus ruined his beautiful “ronin” character for me.
@@vladkornienko7889 He’s still a cool character dude and it’s much better than what he got after how dirty he was done when sixshot appeared
Finally someone who understands that the cliff jumper always dying joke is dumb
I read every issue of IDW until the first continuity ended in 2017. I've not read a single issue of skybound simply because IDW just broke me down how awful it got especially in the last few years. But I can already tell Skybound is way better. I hope to get TPB when they become available. Also, just for the record. I know it's not popular, but DW had my favorite stories, too bad it just never got to finish.
I didn't even read many of the comics and it still kinda broke down for me as an outsider. I'll be interested in reading through Skybound after its had a lot more issues and still seems to be running strong. I'm only doing this because I am afraid it could wind up losing steam or its vision.
what's pacific rim uprising there is only one pacific rim (WE DONT TALK ABOUT THAT MESS )
PLEASE GIVE MORE ENERGON UNIVERSE DISCUSSIONS
OKAY! What’s your favourite moment so far??
@@vladkornienko7889 Easily in issue 6 when Optimus gets revived and kicks Construction butt
7:28,A fellow Megas XLR fan,nice-Jamie
7:32,Ur right its perfect
I dig giant robots!
Reminds me of those AMVs i used to watch as a kid-
The Gold standard is G1
Hahaha no.
Which one, fake fan?
I love this so much more than idw, to be honest I was not a fan of idw, I didn’t like Optimus prime in idw.
Idw lost it's way after all hail Megatron
it actually got good after AHM so idk what you're talking about
@@SpootprimeNo, it got bad, but then it had one good run that was arguably better than the entirety of the pre All Hail Megatron comics, so you win some, you lose some
Picked up the trade paperback hearing so many good things about it, I'm excited
Killing starscram would not end the war
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12:09 i've got i crack pot theory that sparky is gonna come back later on with him becoming a transtector of sorts and OP is gonna become powermaster optimus prime
Rock & sock 'em robots for Skybound's ongoing Transformers comic run.
That seems like the perfect project for DWJ
It's so shocking to me to read sll the comments here, talking dirty about IDW's run of comics (2005 - 2018, especifically). My feelings about their runs aside, IDW was the one to bring the Autobot-Decepticon war to an end for good, turned barely popular characters into fan-favorites (Thundercracker, Tailgate, Brainstorm, Prowl, and Chromedome, to name a few), redeemed Megatron, and did everything interesting after the war. Not all about IDW's first continuity was gold, though, and examples are most of Furman's stories (mainly that dreadful Spotlight on Arcee), most of the Phase I, and the entire Phase III and how IDW awkwardly attempted to bring all Hasbro's properties into one universe.
Now, even when I've enjoyed Skybound's work so far, it's soon to say if their work is superior to IDW's, but I can say it's just to appeal to nostalgia.
Optimus is amazing in this
I love this video but I'm going to point out Bayverse-Optimus is the same Optimus that both forgave and protected a man that made billions off of melting down the corpses of dead autobots and transforming their desecrated remains into military slave drones. He would absolutely turn into a truck for a kid with cancer.
Except he wouldn't.
Where can one read these Skybound comics?
Are the robots gay? Thats all i need to know
No
Skybound’s Transformers comic is fantastic. Void Rivals is intriguing, but I hope it doesn’t rely too too much on the Transformers. I would prefer it to stand on its own legs as much as possible. Duke and Cobra Commander are okay, but Joshua Williamson had a great Flash run in the DC Rebirth era. He’s great at taking characters I couldn’t care less about and at least making me intrigued at bit. But it’s obvious Transformers is the flagship comic here.
It’s just different than IDW. Both are excellent. IDW just had a very WTF ending as Hasbro tried integrating some of its other (horrible) properties. Who the hell wanted ROM and Action Man and Micronauts?
Skybound hasn’t introduced Transformer pregnancies (or even romance for that matter), so it’s definitely already leaps and bounds ahead of IDW.
Romance will absolutely stay.
Not better than the og 2005 IDW continuity, but way better than the 2019 IDW reboot.
This is the first Transformers (and G.I. Joe) comic that I've been reading as it releases.
My biggest problem with the IDW comics was how much romance they crammed in. And if you ever SAY you didn't like that, people assume you're being homophobic, since so many of the relationships were homosexual (but that's just because of the massive gender imbalance). I just don't understand a species that doesn't reproduce sexually having romantic desires. Close friendships, sure but romance just seems silly.
I freakin' hate how they added romance too. Latter IDW failed to understand the appeal of platonic bonds. Transformers is one of the only series that you don't have to even consider touching romance at all, yet they went there and made it all weird. The idea of a species that doesn't have these sexual concepts makes Cybertronians far more interesting IMO. Camaraderie and friendship are far deeper ties than romance, and it just feels like they were projecting fleshling human organic feelings onto something that was far better off without it. Simon Furman was right about this.
@@spriggylotus4476 Exactly. A lot of the relationships in the comics would have been better without them getting all touchy-feely and romantic. This franchise has always had human and organic alien characters, have THEM get in the romantic relationships.
Any piece of media that portrays Optimus and Megatron as close friends prior to the war is a good idea. But if they made them make out before that it'd just feel absurd.
That was a big factor that stopped me buying them. It turned into a romcom with all the romances and silly billy banter.
@@basedtruther1020 Ugh, don't agree with me.
I've been dancing around purchasing the new comics for Transformers, and your video has given that last push to give the series a proper chance. I've been hearing good things about it so far, but haven't really purchased the single issues. I do wonder if I will have to seek out the other series in GI Joe and Void Rivals, as I don't know if I can afford the headache and empty wallet for all the other series' issues.
Nothing will beat IDW for me but I'm very satisfied with skybound. It's a new look and story and I'm here for it.
I know I'm probs alone but IDW post All Hail Megatron was just not my thing, I honestly hated most of what they did and how disrespectfully they treated Optimus Prime. All the conjux stuff was weird and felt like a bad fan-fiction, hated it. Again that's just me.
a bad fan fiction? Treating them like sentient beings with emotions? ok bub.
@@Spootprime Well Bub, it's just bad horny writing focused on sexuality. Cyclonus and Tailgate....like give me a break. What little Dreamwave had before cancelation was far superior to IDW as a whole and I stand by that.
@@Steadfaststone2003lol.
I don't click with this book the way a lot of people do. I see a lot of positives, the more humane moments and some of the dynamic art is great but I found myself loosing interest, finding the plot and some of the writing convoluted, finding some of the art difficult to follow and honestly I felt the last couple of issues of Vol 1 were very messy. I also found the decepticons...ridiculously excessive. Going into the second half and the real test, I feel...whelmed. Nothing is grabbing me. The initial joy of the humanity of someone like Prime is also hit by relatively little happening, a splash page character reveal clearly meant to shock that I feel the art made me go "what? Who" a lot and a revival I felt undervalued a lot of what was established not a couple of issues ago (common comic issue of course but I think reviving a character who had an important death not even one year down the line just makes me go "well I'll never worry about anyone again"). I was curious and read a bunch of Warren Johnson's work after and realised a lot of what he writes just in how its structured (or the copious wrestling references which is a form of entertainment that does not speak to me) is not for me. I'd say I've highs of like 7/10 and lows of 4/10 with book, with an average very much 5 or 6
Better than IDW isn't a question. Its a fact.
I would say it’s too early to tell. I wish this publisher only to exceed previous one.
Facts according to who, Mr. Psssive-Aggressive?
where to reaed or buy? i stupidly was buying not in ordee, so i have 1,7,9,10😅
Transformers/Gi-Joe. Man I know it like always happens but I can’t stand it, i never was a fan of gi-Jo but whenever they crossover into transformers I can’t stand it more. I want the robots, I know it’s close minded but I know what I like you know? When they inevitably crossover again in the movies thats when I’ll try it again but I’m not necessarily looking forward to it you know?
I've heard good things about the book and I've flipped through it but still hesitant about the art, back in the 90's it took me awhile to warm up to Geoff Senior when he worked on Marvel's TF comic but enough of this abstract experimental artsy fartsy POS, I want to see nice clean sharp art in the likes of Don Figueroa and Guido Guidi, hell I'll even accept Pat Lee if he ever comes out from hiding. If Skybound wants my money they have to cut this BS right now!!
Don Fig is the man! I consider him the best tf artist.
IDW may have lasted the longest as transformers goes but it set the bar pretty low IMO. This does look like typical Kirkman, toon style with adult violence and adolescent themes. Sounds better but still not my personal preferrence.
Between this and IDW's recent run with Sonic, I'm glad so many of my childhood favourites are enjoying such a golden age in their comic formats these days 😊
Just because robots ain't gay and don't go on dates don't mean it's actually well written.
Not gonna lie though, that is still a massive bonus point in their favour.
Pretty contrarian opinion.
YESSSSSS THE MEGAS THEME
Chicks dig giant robots!
I just wished skybound tried to stray away a bit from the blocky G1 designs, I think idw had a good middleground between recognisability and more complex designs.
Definitely a me thing though considering I didnt grow up with the 80s cartoon
IDW had the full palette of designs. From clean art of Guido to horrendous poop in that Galveston mini series.