But if art disturbs the comfortable they now become the disturbed. the art now should comfort them as they are technically now the disturbed but at the same time they are now comfortable again because the art is meant to comfort them then it’s an ongoing cycle
There were no cheers, no boos in the theater. Just silence, deathly silence. When the audiences just stare quietly at a moment as Iconic as this, is when you know you have created a masterpiece.
@@jeandidier284 No, at that moment you can't really process what you're seeing. I don't know what it will be like to watch it on TV, but in the theater it was a pretty oppressive experience
@@wortblume2317 There is the occasionally whispering of people nearby and the sounds of popcorn bags and drinks being moved around. I mean it was dead silent as in I forgot I was in a theater with a ton of people.
This was the moment in the theater when I knew I was witnessing cinematic history. One of my all time favorite films and performances. Absolutely flawless by Joaquin Phoenix
Philips said Joaquin improvised the entire thing, amazing actor, one of the best, finally got the credit he deserved, but this was robbed out of best picture.
Joaquin is a true artist ..to the fullest. I was so impressed and touched by the way the Joker was portrayed. It was far more human than an idealistic version of a villain.. even the human condition and how it plays out personally and publicly twisted Arthur into who he became
Winston That is true. There’s a video where Todd Phillips explains that originally, Arthur was supposed to just wipe the make up off his face and look in the mirror like “What have I done?” But then Joaquin just started dancing and then Todd was like. “That’s it. That’s the scene.” Joaquin Phoenix is brilliant.
@Bzkxtt Nah Gotta give credit to Phoenix and the composer over Phillips on this one. All Phillips did has just share the previously unused musical piece (that ended up being used for this scene) with Phoenix. Phoenix knew what to do and did the impromptu interpretive dance. The best scene of the film,in my opinion,was off the cuff/off the script improvised by none other than Joaquin Phoenix.
RagingBlackGuy Oh, you poor guy, you understand build up....right? I explicitly said ‘Joker BEGINS to be born’, he doesn’t just turn into joker in the bathroom. It’s Arthur’s first sense of control in his whole life, he’s becoming Joker.
This is self soothing when people who struggle with schizophrenia or psychosis have an episode. This is an extremely well researched bit of improv on Mr. Phoenix’s part. The laughter actually causes him great distress. The dancing soothes him.
A year later, I still can't believe how this scene was completely different on script... Arthur was meant to simply have a monologue in the mirror, but thanks to Phoenix'incredible method acting we have this masterpiece of a scene instead!
I want everyone to understand: the MUSIC influenced this scene! They asked Guðnadóttir for a sample of her score, and the director and Phoenix heard this, and played this while he danced to it. The music made this scene.
as soon as he starts that ritual dance... arthur is slowly disintegrated and the joker appears in the mirror... a very very powerful scene.... a true transformation.
I personally think the Joker is born at the end when he wakes up on the hood of that car, Arthur died in the crash and only the Joker remains. I think the reflection in this scene is Arthurs first glimpse of the joker
I think technically he turned from Arthur to Joker when he shot those dudes... He ran away from the crimescene because he was running from that darkness in himself....but then he felt it without the fear. He felt the control and the clarity of it all once he was alone... Then he simply just let the darkness flow through him through his dance... And finally landed on looking at his self, his true self, in that mirror.
That's what is amazing to me about this scene and the movie. He didn't have to say a word or even make a sound and people understood that the character was having a profound moment in his life.
What’s so striking about this scene is that after shooting 3 men, you truly believe the Joker is feeling a level of peace he has never felt before. What’s even more striking, is that you feel it with him. That’s what’s so incredible about this movie.
Comparing heath's performance to Joaquin's performance is like comparing apple to orange. Heath greatly portrayed joker as an agent of chaos that cannot be controlled by any means. While Joaquin phoenix joker is more like a character study of the joker thats the reason why joaquin have more rollercoaster of emotions. Heath's joker is more like an Action movie while Joaquin's joker is more like Drama movie. I like how they've portrayed their character no one outdid the other.
I would say Joaquins joker has more uncontrollable emotions because hes transforming. His thoughts unravel before our eyes. This is the movie where he lost his mind. In the dark night heathes joker is already a seasoned hardened madman
Agree but Ledgers was slightly more comic book accurate. Joaquin Phoenixes Joker isn’t really true to the character but it’s not supposed to be, this joker was always supposed to show a different side to the character, a more realistic version.
Not to mention, as great as Heath was, and as much as he contributed to the film/trilogy (a substantial amount) and as much as he did for the character itself (without Heaths OG performance we probably never get Jaquins) he still was just a SUPPORTING ROLE in that film/trilogy. ‘The Dark Knight’ is bigger than just that character. Christopher Nolan’s trilogy is bigger than just that character. Whereas ‘JOKER’ - like you said - is a deep character study that’s success was entirely dependent on how well that character was portrayed to us. Heath’s performance paved the way. It was legendary and without a doubt the high point of the film(s). But Joaquin WAS THE FILM. He carried it on his back the entire way. HOWEVER regardless of all of that.. Pound for pound, in a vacuum, frame by frame, if you’re objective and know your shit... Jaquins is still the better all around performance. Difficult to say but that’s just the way it is.
I'll never forget seeing this part for the first time. COMPLETE surprise and my jaw basically dropped. It's all so sad and hypnotizing that it just left me speechless. Needless to say, this scene sold me. Best movie ever.
I held my breath by the beauty and pain of this scene. I felt an explosion of emotion...and then questioned so much about myself afterwards. Absolutely consumed.
I agree. When I saw this first time In cinema, I almost drop tears. So sad and beautiful scene in every piece. Masterpiece remindable movie for next decades.
I remember watching this scene in the theater, everyone was totally hypnotized. We were all glued to the screen, and I haven’t experienced anything like that since.
When I saw The Dark Knight in theatres, my theatre was very "hypnotized" like you said when Heath Ledgers Joker escaped from jail and was riding with his head out of the police car. That too was a cinematic masterpiece.
Idk why but I'm against the idea that it's all in his head despite the obvious clues. Certain parts of it are absolutely in his head but like, there's no transformation of character if it's all a charade in his head. None of the amazing events from the ending ever happen if it's all imaginary. I like to think he really did kill Maury and start those riots simply because it makes the whole story so much better. Plus, why would he have imagined Bruce Wayne's parents dying in the exact fashion that they did in his head? I think certain parts are in his head but not the whole story.
Lyg3rBurg3rz no one said the entire movie is in his head. People are talking about the scenes with his “girlfriend”. They are all imaginary and never happened.
As a professional dancer, this scene is very shocking to me and *not because of his way of dancing, but what he transmits.* When he enters the bathroom, he does not know how to process the feeling of having committed a murder, so he begins to express it through a dance ritual. As the dance goes on, the Joker continues to dance but now in order to eliminate all the guilt he feels for killing those three people, and tries to convince himself that what he did is right. And finally, in the 1:34 minute we can see how unintentionally he ends up accepting evil in his soul and his movements begin to be faster and with confidence. All the feeling of guilt left, his ego rose, and his thirst for revenge is greater. Finally, when he look himself in the mirror, there is no return. His soul was completely poisoned.
I really like your breakdown but I see it just a little differently. I feel like his dance represents freedom. I feel like when he looked up into the light, he was finally free from all the things that were keeping him miserable. It's like he transformed into someone who feels like they can finally just let go, like a metamorphosis. I saw no guilt, just a release.
Here’s the thing about the film joker, I told all my friends how incredible this film is and said watch it it’s one of the best films ever made, each of them came back and said it was”ok”, I was stunned, I couldn’t understand how they weren’t blown away by this masterpiece. Then it clicked, I think you have to have suffered in life or be a little broken in your soul to really appreciate and get the films message, you have to feel how Arthur felt in his darkest moments and picture yourself in his shoes. Truly a one of a kind performance.
Yes, you need empathy for him. You know how it feels like if no one in this world cares for you, even if you dont understand what this exactly means (if you're a child for example). The quote of him "I didn't know all my life if I even existed." does express this extremely well to me. Such a experience changes your worldview fundamentally I think.
What’s even more crazy to think about, for me personally, is that there is no background music as he’s dancing. The music adds such a powerful tone to this scene but when you really think about it. There never was any music playing for Arthur. Perhaps it’s playing in his head but in reality he’s just dancing in a quiet run down bathroom by himself.
I genuinely feel dumb AF rn.. You know these little logical details that you don't pay attention to while watching a movie then once someone points it out you just can't stop thinking about it... That's it.
Melassassin :D yes originally he was suppose to run to the bathroom, wash off his makeup and I think hide his gun but the day they filmed it Joaquin and Todd changed it to a dance scene
I disagree, this scene has its own place but dc movies have in past had very strong & unsettling scene Eg. When batman interrogates joker in the dark knight, he had everything to lose and joker had none.
I love how with headphones in, I can notice him breathing heavily as he's beginning to take form and how his breathing gradually slows as he unwinds and uncoils. He sheds his fear and uncertainty as he morphs into himself.
In this scene he was dancing cautiously, slowly, unsure of his thoughts and actions. Locked in a bathroom so no one could see. Later in the movie he is dancing with confidence, fast and sure of himself. Dancing in public for the whole world to see. Those 2 scenes are a metaphor for his development throughout his journey and movie. Thats why it is beautifully done. This is an intellectual movie that claws at the mirror of our own society. At our own reality. And thats why it's controversial and a masterpiece
Establishment Disliker lol what is controversial about this movie? He shoots someone? All the controversy was a worked up theory that some joker lover was going to shoot up a theatre and even that was a hoax
The range he moves through emotions in this scene is insane. It's starts as a sheer panic, then a quiet calm, you literally can see the transition to this almost hypnotic therapy in his eyes. Even his hands are full of emotion, this man was brilliant through this entire movie!
I just saw a comment that read "I held my breath by the beauty and pain of this scene. I felt an explosion of emotion...then questioned so much about myself afterward. Absolutely consumed." And the comment immediately after says "he's just vibing" lmfao
Fun fact: This scene was originally scripted as the Joker running into the bathroom and hiding his gun/washing his makeup. Phoenix and Philip changed it to Arthur dancing the day of shooting while at the set.
You also have to give Hildur for her music on this scene. Phoenix was inspired by the music playing on that bathroom that's why he danced instead of washing the mask off. Nb: Hildur was making the score based on script, she never watched any scene before writing the music.
"I played it for him (the soundtrack) and he loved it, and he just started doing this dance to it" - Todd Phillips Sounds pretty much like an improvisation to me
Idk if it was just the people in the theater I was in when we saw this with my wife and brother, but I have NEVER been in a room where every single person was mesmerized by the total package of this scene. The acting, the music, everything just blew everyone away. It was complete silence, everyone was locked in. I wish I could experience seeing this movie again for the first time.
@@ghfdgtrduh there is. The world he lived in wouldn't let him find it. If you think people can find it *Completely Alone* remember psychpaths need bodies and Arthur had nothing except his mind.
The running the bright lights the anxiety and loud noises is kind of like a sensory issue similar to a panic or anxiety attack or insomnia when you feel like everything is spiralling out of control But then you shut the door dark dimmed lights soft gentle music a small mirror and a sink You just take a deep breath everything fades away
Ive been close to this state. Be careful. we all have monsters inside of us. You can control it but if you have nothing to live for and society keeps messing you up, you get revenge like Joker
Critics were mixed. This film WON “The Golden Lion” at the Venice Film Festival. The first “comic-book type” movie to win that award. EVER. I truly believe it’s A MASTERPIECE. One of the best films I’ve EVER SEEN. It’s now earned $1.067 BILLION at the box office, the highest grossing R-rated film of all time. I think Phoenix will be nominated for the Oscar, and he WILL WIN.
@@danielvasquez5761 the vanity fair video with Todd Phillips on Joker's opening scene says some buildings were added in to make the Gotham seem more claustrophobic
Josh Witte it actually was improvised by Joaquin. There’s an interview with Todd Phillips(director) on RUclips explaining that the scripted scene was for Arthur to hide his gun and wash off his makeup in the bathroom.
Kevkas04 Ah yeah, he also gave him a quick note about the character that he was one with music and Joaquin got the idea of a fluid dance from that. It shows his dedication to the character.
Not necessarily improvised. The original script called for something else. Once they shot it didn’t feel right. So Todd and Joaquin sat on set alone thinking what to do with the scene to show the correct emotions with no words. Todd played the musical score hoping to inspire something and Joaquin was inspired to dance. That’s not really improvising but I know what you mean
Phoenix really took it to heart when Phillips told him that Arthur always had music in him. 2 improvised dance scenes that fit perfectly and wondrously.
People think that Arthur fully transformed into Joker at the end of the film, but it was this scene right here. He enters the bathroom as Arthur, the dance is his transformation, and the moment he looks at himself in the mirror at the very end: Joker. Seriously genius filmmaking.
This is one of the moments when tears started to come out from my eyes and I couldn't control them. Art at its finest, drama and transformation. God, you can hear the breath. One of the Best scenes in cinema history
This scene is totally improvised. Not scripted. And it feels so much more real. Phoenix and the director, was alone shooting this scene. Still hanging around set, after everyone had left, trying to figure things out. They were together for two hours, trying to figure out the scene according to script. But it didn't fit the mood they were after. So, they started throwing out idea's, which went nowhere. So, they went to set, fired up the camera... and Phoenix just went with what he felt like doing at that moment. Slowly dancing. Slowly transforming himself from all guilt, despair etc, and becoming a more of a figure letting go of everything he has done, embracing it, as the new him. Transforming from empath, to psychopat. So, like most iconic scenes in movies, are always improvised. Hench this is one of those moments in movie history. Because its more real, more flowing. Which reminds me of the final scene in BladeRunner, when Rutger Hauer gives his final speech in the rain. That scene is also 100% improvised, just to throw out an example...
No, there's an important factor who lead to this. The music! The director told Joaquin he got this track the day before, so he played it and Joaquin started dancing. Then, as you said happened
I don't have to dig. But honestly, the "dark" feelings are actually ones of love. You hate injustice, so you're angry. You want to punish those who are evil, so you're bitter. But there's a catch. 1. You have to assess whether your perceived threat is real, or an illusion created from an earlier trauma. 2. You have to focus on "showing them" by succeeding in life. Revenge will not make you feel better. Success will. Your pain can be your strength. You can outlast your competitors by sheer force of will. So, while I've lived my whole life with an inner well of anger and bitterness, I have learnt to control it and use it to benefit me. I don't need to indulge it or strengthen it, because there is an infinite supply. It will always be there, waiting for if/when society collapses. And if not, I've prepared for that, too. Succeed in peace, succeed in war.
This scene was the one that shocked me the most out of the entire movie, even more that the Murray scene. I can't really explain why, but I remember watching this in the cinema (everyone completely silent) and being unable to process exactly what had just happened. Joaquin Phoenix did an impeccable job.
It is shocking because he just murdered 3 guys out of rage, but after he killed the 3rd one he came to his sense to realize he had done something terrible! So he starts running out of fear even without no one noticing what he did or chasing him. He gets to the bathroom clearly very scared, but he lets out what he really felt in a dance. The dance represents power and freedom, which he felt for the first time and loved it! This is the moment in which Arthur dissapears and the Joker takes his place. That's why it's so shocking.
he did have a choreographer for other scene and practiced dancing. however this scene was originally completely diff and kinda cheesy imo. Joaquin improvised this specific dance on the spot with no choreographer present, now that's talent
Deeply affected me. As I am very, very short and have been a victim of bullying and violence/bashings my entire life it made my heart feel joy that someone fought back, even if it was just a movie. Incredible
The mind blowing fact that, the producers were about to do only two secs on the bathroom scene, it was meant for Joaquin to get in, Change, Stacy the gun and get out, but he refused to do the scene 🎬 like that, and started dancing, the producers took the shots of him dancing, and did this, and turned to be one of the most epic scenes ever 🙏 dude worth every penny they paid him
He didn't refuse to do the scene, while they were waiting for things to be set up Todd randomly shared a piece of audio with Joaquin that Guðnadóttir had composed for the film, on hearing it he instinctively started dancing and they both knew in that instance that they should do that instead of the scripted monologue.
Yep, this scene comforts the unfortunate. Sound kinda obnoxious to say but if you havent really felt the sadness Arthur has felt then, in a way, you can never fully understand
I’ve seen all of the great movies of 2019. Films such as The Irishman, OUATIH, Parasite, 1917. But in my honest opinion, no film brought a bigger level of authenticity as this masterpiece right here
This scene alone (also the Blood smile at the end) was worth him getting the Oscar. Joaquin Phoenix is a F*ing Master , he simply nailed this character.
I dont know what it is about this scene if the color, the music, the subtle moves, the camera work, the make up or pace, but its beautiful, its like a short film on its own
Usually when I watch a movie with the joker in it, i think of the joker as the actor. I see Jared Leto, or Heath Ledger. When watching this movie, I didn’t see Joaquin Phoenix. I saw the Joker
For me personally it's more easy for me to see Joaquin than it is for me to see ledger. And I'm not just saying that because of ledgers makeup, because even when Joaquin has the makeup on I'm still able to see that it's him.
Oh my God. I remember the entire theater becoming eerily quiet during this part of the film. We were completely mesmerized by this scene, with our eyes transfixed and experiencing intense chills and goosebumps. I will never forget that feeling. This movie was one of the best things to happen to the world, just five months before the pandemic hit.
That's not a fair comparison. I agree that this is better than Endgame but we're dealing with completely different narratives here. The MCU spent years creating, developing, building up, breaking down, winning and losing. It had to build a team. It had to develop characters. It had to spend years to culminate it into the overall Infinity Saga. The overall package was an awesome finale. However, Joker focused on a much smaller scale. It told a complete character piece that focused on one guy. There wasn't even a specific antagonist he was up against in this film. Just because a story took many films to tell, it doesn't automatically become worse than the other.
Endgame is like watching a football game and this movie is like watching an opera. People enjoy both for specific reasons. Doesn’t necessarily mean one is inherently better than the other.
You can't really compare a movie revolving around fantasy people doing fantasy things to one that is made to remind others of the uncomfortable reality. The former is for entertainment, the latter is to send a meaningful message. Very different pieces of work.
Well, I have mental health issues as well. When I saw this scene, I was shocked. I cried. Because I used to do that too. When depression hits so hard that I want to kill myself, I turn off all the lights and just start to dance. HIS dance just looks like my dance. It was like... Like someone looked inside my mind and created a character who represents my depression, my violent thoughts. I just feel this deep connection with him trough this one scene... This is a masterpiece. This. Is art.
I dance when I feel like half the world abandoned me too (not gonna define this because it’s private). I dance except that it’s not slow or anything at all, it’s just me chicken dancing around to music in my head so that I don’t feel sad anymore, it usually gives me more mental break down.
Hey man the same happened to me. I wanted to kill myself and I had so much pain and sadness. I danced in the dark and let my feelings flow. It was beautiful. I love this scene in the movie.
In my opinion there is no doubting it. From the music, to literally everything else about this. It’s one of the most beautiful yet unsettling scenes of all time. That music is absolutely bone chilling.
Nearly every scene before this point you see how stiff he is, how tight he holds himself together. But here, we still him loose. Free. Like all those chains on him fell off him for the first time.
The murder of the three men and this dance was the conception of Joker, the reveal of Arthur's childhood was the birth of Joker, and the public execution of Murray was the baptism of Joker.
I recently found out that this scene is an adlib by joaquin, this scenes was created by him. It gives me chills to know how legendary of an actor he is.
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You can’t recreate the feeling that you felt while watching this beautiful scene on the big screen for the first time.
It send chills down my spine one of the most beautiful scenes I've ever watched
100% right
For real but everytime I hear this song now I get the chills
I really wish I felt something when I was watching this in theaters. :(
It sent chills, I felt like I was going crazy!
This is when I knew the movie wasn't joking around.
Same. I was utterly transfixed in this scene.
I can’t tell if this is a statement or pun.
@@solbushbaby4144 Yes. 😜
AAAYYYYY
@@solbushbaby4144 exactly
“Art should disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed”
Marilyn manson once said that Art should be a question mark and never be a answer
But if art disturbs the comfortable they now become the disturbed. the art now should comfort them as they are technically now the disturbed but at the same time they are now comfortable again because the art is meant to comfort them then it’s an ongoing cycle
mtanaa Whiteknife You copied this from the guy in the audio version 😂😂
Chris yeah I know but I wanted to say that on here and it really fit here as well
#sodeep
There were no cheers, no boos in the theater. Just silence, deathly silence. When the audiences just stare quietly at a moment as Iconic as this, is when you know you have created a masterpiece.
Or that the audience is respectful
@@jeandidier284 No, at that moment you can't really process what you're seeing. I don't know what it will be like to watch it on TV, but in the theater it was a pretty oppressive experience
Are we still pretending that silence in the theatre isnt how theatres are supposed to sound by default?
Totally agree!!
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986ur an a hole for pointing that out 😂 and I love it
This might be one of the most beautifully unsettling scenes in cinema.
June Asiimwe not might bro. It is 🤫👀
June Asiimwe how is this scene unsettling?
Steve b um he just killed 3 dudes and decides to dance. Pretty unsettling
It also leaves you with a feeling of guilt as he's running away and the seriousness of the situation.
I have to agree
I’m glad this came out before the pandemic
Agree
Same
Agree
Yep. Last movie I saw in a theater before everything was shut down. Pretty telling.
Scamdemic!
Like someone else said, the theater got so quiet. No one said a word, just utter silence. This scene sent chills down my spine.
People talk in the theatre? What the hell
You’ve got my words! In our theatre was the same!! The whole cinema was so quiet WOW
@@wortblume2317 There is the occasionally whispering of people nearby and the sounds of popcorn bags and drinks being moved around. I mean it was dead silent as in I forgot I was in a theater with a ton of people.
@@rift9106 Ahh, yes that makes much more sense. I see!
I remember the theater applauding at the end. But yeah it was completely quiet throughout
This was the moment in the theater when I knew I was witnessing cinematic history. One of my all time favorite films and performances. Absolutely flawless by Joaquin Phoenix
Philips said Joaquin improvised the entire thing, amazing actor, one of the best, finally got the credit he deserved, but this was robbed out of best picture.
Yes ... absolutely flawless
Joaquin is a true artist ..to the fullest. I was so impressed and touched by the way the Joker was portrayed. It was far more human than an idealistic version of a villain.. even the human condition and how it plays out personally and publicly twisted Arthur into who he became
I felt the same. I slightly teared up and my girlfriend next to me really couldn't understand why. Cinematic history man
YESSSSS TOTALLY AGREE at this moment I knew yes this is gonna be one of my favorite movies 😍
“And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music” - Friedrich Nietzsche
Really good line bro
@@samuelmb258 agree ☑️
Ace quote ♦️
i was looking for this quote
Neitzche talked to his horse lol
Joaquin is amazing. but the camera operator shot this. wow
That's right sweetie
Winston That is true. There’s a video where Todd Phillips explains that originally, Arthur was supposed to just wipe the make up off his face and look in the mirror like “What have I done?” But then Joaquin just started dancing and then Todd was like. “That’s it. That’s the scene.” Joaquin Phoenix is brilliant.
@Bzkxtt Nah Gotta give credit to Phoenix and the composer over Phillips on this one. All Phillips did has just share the previously unused musical piece (that ended up being used for this scene) with Phoenix. Phoenix knew what to do and did the impromptu interpretive dance. The best scene of the film,in my opinion,was off the cuff/off the script improvised by none other than Joaquin Phoenix.
@Bzkxtt Todd Phillips said it was an original piece composed well before production of Joker began,from what I can recall.
@Bzkxtt I got to rewatch that then.
This is the scene where Arthur Fleck starts to die, and Joker begins to be born.
Karl Veiga the Joker only came at the end of the movie
RagingBlackGuy Oh, you poor guy, you understand build up....right? I explicitly said ‘Joker BEGINS to be born’, he doesn’t just turn into joker in the bathroom. It’s Arthur’s first sense of control in his whole life, he’s becoming Joker.
Karl Veiga lol I know what you meant
RagingBlackGuy Why say what you said if you know what he meant?
@@Ghaffar_KH See, we knew he wouldn't get it
This is self soothing when people who struggle with schizophrenia or psychosis have an episode. This is an extremely well researched bit of improv on Mr. Phoenix’s part. The laughter actually causes him great distress. The dancing soothes him.
It's transformation
Joker 2019 is better than The Dark Knight trilogy and MCU (maybe except Punisher/ Daredevil)
A year later, I still can't believe how this scene was completely different on script... Arthur was meant to simply have a monologue in the mirror, but thanks to Phoenix'incredible method acting we have this masterpiece of a scene instead!
I know! When I learned it I got shivers just like every time I watch the scene
I definitely prefer this to a monologue
@@deeptig3972 yeah, a mirror pep-talk would have been way too cliché and awkward to watch. this was masterfully done.
I want everyone to understand: the MUSIC influenced this scene! They asked Guðnadóttir for a sample of her score, and the director and Phoenix heard this, and played this while he danced to it.
The music made this scene.
@@southsideman4891 I didn't know that that's really cool
as soon as he starts that ritual dance... arthur is slowly disintegrated and the joker appears in the mirror... a very very powerful scene.... a true transformation.
Mohanicus true
I personally think the Joker is born at the end when he wakes up on the hood of that car, Arthur died in the crash and only the Joker remains. I think the reflection in this scene is Arthurs first glimpse of the joker
I think technically he turned from Arthur to Joker when he shot those dudes... He ran away from the crimescene because he was running from that darkness in himself....but then he felt it without the fear. He felt the control and the clarity of it all once he was alone... Then he simply just let the darkness flow through him through his dance... And finally landed on looking at his self, his true self, in that mirror.
Arthur turned into joker with the blood smile at the end
Who is Arthur?
This is a masterpiece.
He finally found peace, he finally expressed himself, he finally understood who he was.
He embraced his art
That's what is amazing to me about this scene and the movie. He didn't have to say a word or even make a sound and people understood that the character was having a profound moment in his life.
Edgy
@@Hypie582 edgy doesn't mean bad.
Nothing to say you truly express what the meaning of the scene is
Everyone's very sensitive nowadays huh
What’s so striking about this scene is that after shooting 3 men, you truly believe the Joker is feeling a level of peace he has never felt before. What’s even more striking, is that you feel it with him. That’s what’s so incredible about this movie.
Comparing heath's performance to Joaquin's performance is like comparing apple to orange. Heath greatly portrayed joker as an agent of chaos that cannot be controlled by any means. While Joaquin phoenix joker is more like a character study of the joker thats the reason why joaquin have more rollercoaster of emotions. Heath's joker is more like an Action movie while Joaquin's joker is more like Drama movie. I like how they've portrayed their character no one outdid the other.
underrated comment, exactly this
its tough because whilst Joaquin "may" be equal to Heath, Todd Phillips is just not Christopher Nolan.
I would say Joaquins joker has more uncontrollable emotions because hes transforming. His thoughts unravel before our eyes. This is the movie where he lost his mind. In the dark night heathes joker is already a seasoned hardened madman
Agree but Ledgers was slightly more comic book accurate. Joaquin Phoenixes Joker isn’t really true to the character but it’s not supposed to be, this joker was always supposed to show a different side to the character, a more realistic version.
Not to mention, as great as Heath was, and as much as he contributed to the film/trilogy (a substantial amount) and as much as he did for the character itself (without Heaths OG performance we probably never get Jaquins) he still was just a SUPPORTING ROLE in that film/trilogy. ‘The Dark Knight’ is bigger than just that character. Christopher Nolan’s trilogy is bigger than just that character. Whereas ‘JOKER’ - like you said - is a deep character study that’s success was entirely dependent on how well that character was portrayed to us. Heath’s performance paved the way. It was legendary and without a doubt the high point of the film(s). But Joaquin WAS THE FILM. He carried it on his back the entire way. HOWEVER regardless of all of that.. Pound for pound, in a vacuum, frame by frame, if you’re objective and know your shit... Jaquins is still the better all around performance. Difficult to say but that’s just the way it is.
This movie is a cinematic masterpiece and no one can tell me otherwise
Nobody is on a different page...
Dude it’s just a guy dancing in a bathroom after a murder relax
Otherwise
Agree.
But I don't like the massage from the movie.
@@الحارثبنعُبَاد-ف6ب I don't think there was a MASSAGE scene
“You ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight ?”
The laughing Man yes and he stole my g fuel
Yes in OEF
NEVER RUB ANOTHER MAN'S RHUBARB.
Nice
@James J.M.S.S Wdym??
Starts as a meditation and ends as metamorphosis. The greatest scene in movie history.
He is greeting himself finally
Joaquin Phoenix's Joker is aimed at more mature audiences than Ledger's Joker
@bosilkof you said it perfectly my friend. @karlscher5170 yes. The joker was born right here and now in this scene. Fucking sensational.
I'd like you to watch another movie
please watch more movies
The 3 dislikes were from the guys on the train
Edit: Im not thanking you 4k plus for liking the comment but for getting the joke... Thats life!
212 likes from the clowns
But they're dead...
Nintendozilla17 that’s the point
😂😂😂
Nahh there from marvel fans
I'll never forget seeing this part for the first time. COMPLETE surprise and my jaw basically dropped. It's all so sad and hypnotizing that it just left me speechless. Needless to say, this scene sold me. Best movie ever.
Tyler Tomko not gonna lie I felt the same thing than it made me realize why he did it
I held my breath by the beauty and pain of this scene. I felt an explosion of emotion...and then questioned so much about myself afterwards. Absolutely consumed.
I agree. When I saw this first time In cinema, I almost drop tears. So sad and beautiful scene in every piece. Masterpiece remindable movie for next decades.
You film nerds are embarrassing. It’s just a movie, chill.
@@colin-campbell You tell em! It's just a movie not the second coming of christ!
“Hey, what’s your name?”
“Arthur”
“You’re a really good dancer Arthur”
“I know”
"You know who isn't?, Him!"
The movie was alright the dance scene was alright I guess
Oh “ALRIGHT”? the movie was awesome
One of the SADEST scenes 😔
“You know who isn’t?”
I remember watching this scene in the theater, everyone was totally hypnotized. We were all glued to the screen, and I haven’t experienced anything like that since.
This movie made me feel some type of way. A type of way no other movie has made me feel, it’s like you relate to the movie somehow
When I saw The Dark Knight in theatres, my theatre was very "hypnotized" like you said when Heath Ledgers Joker escaped from jail and was riding with his head out of the police car. That too was a cinematic masterpiece.
@@fatherleo4603 Lo imagino
uncut gems was close for me
Exactly 💯
This was no dance in my opinion...
It was a transformation
I'm using your word for a homework lmao thx
@@shashalechat87 what homework
I had to analyse a dance extract from a movie, and I've chosen this one
@@shashalechat87 nice
@@shashalechat87 hope u did well
I think the fact that she opens that door immediately also indicates its his imagination.
babineaux most likely
Its easy to say after you now how it end.
@@alexanderrmz9701 "now how it end"? Perfect use of English there 😅😅😅😅
Idk why but I'm against the idea that it's all in his head despite the obvious clues. Certain parts of it are absolutely in his head but like, there's no transformation of character if it's all a charade in his head. None of the amazing events from the ending ever happen if it's all imaginary. I like to think he really did kill Maury and start those riots simply because it makes the whole story so much better. Plus, why would he have imagined Bruce Wayne's parents dying in the exact fashion that they did in his head? I think certain parts are in his head but not the whole story.
Lyg3rBurg3rz no one said the entire movie is in his head. People are talking about the scenes with his “girlfriend”. They are all imaginary and never happened.
As a professional dancer, this scene is very shocking to me and *not because of his way of dancing, but what he transmits.*
When he enters the bathroom, he does not know how to process the feeling of having committed a murder, so he begins to express it through a dance ritual. As the dance goes on, the Joker continues to dance but now in order to eliminate all the guilt he feels for killing those three people, and tries to convince himself that what he did is right. And finally, in the 1:34 minute we can see how unintentionally he ends up accepting evil in his soul and his movements begin to be faster and with confidence. All the feeling of guilt left, his ego rose, and his thirst for revenge is greater.
Finally, when he look himself in the mirror, there is no return. His soul was completely poisoned.
Nice breakdown. I never looked at it like that.
@@Archedgar Thx!!
That's a really cool way of looking at it! Never thought of it that way..
I really like your breakdown but I see it just a little differently. I feel like his dance represents freedom. I feel like when he looked up into the light, he was finally free from all the things that were keeping him miserable. It's like he transformed into someone who feels like they can finally just let go, like a metamorphosis. I saw no guilt, just a release.
@@mycatwilleatyou7569 Yes. I think in his mind he was free because he was finally doing something for stop the abuse
Here’s the thing about the film joker, I told all my friends how incredible this film is and said watch it it’s one of the best films ever made, each of them came back and said it was”ok”, I was stunned, I couldn’t understand how they weren’t blown away by this masterpiece. Then it clicked, I think you have to have suffered in life or be a little broken in your soul to really appreciate and get the films message, you have to feel how Arthur felt in his darkest moments and picture yourself in his shoes. Truly a one of a kind performance.
Yes, you need empathy for him. You know how it feels like if no one in this world cares for you, even if you dont understand what this exactly means (if you're a child for example). The quote of him "I didn't know all my life if I even existed." does express this extremely well to me. Such a experience changes your worldview fundamentally I think.
This.
Saying "this is ok" after watching this movie should be ilegal.
Agreed
Brilliant words. Thanks!
What’s even more crazy to think about, for me personally, is that there is no background music as he’s dancing. The music adds such a powerful tone to this scene but when you really think about it. There never was any music playing for Arthur. Perhaps it’s playing in his head but in reality he’s just dancing in a quiet run down bathroom by himself.
That's what made me love this scene even more :)
Haunting, isn't it??
I genuinely feel dumb AF rn..
You know these little logical details that you don't pay attention to while watching a movie then once someone points it out you just can't stop thinking about it... That's it.
So, i’ve heard this scene turned out better than it was supposed to be, he wasent actually supposed to dance
Melassassin :D yes originally he was suppose to run to the bathroom, wash off his makeup and I think hide his gun but the day they filmed it Joaquin and Todd changed it to a dance scene
This scene alone is better than everything DC made in the last 10 years
arti I agree, although in my opinion Batman v Superman wasn’t God Awful, it was just doing too much with very little time.
Thanos the Farmer in my opinion, this is way better than dark knight. Joker gave me the chills
Lion Sin Escanor dark knight and joker are equally good
I disagree, this scene has its own place but dc movies have in past had very strong & unsettling scene
Eg. When batman interrogates joker in the dark knight, he had everything to lose and joker had none.
Omg so trye
This, this is the moment where Walter White truly became Heisenberg
This is the moment when Gus Fring became Two-Face
Nice
This, this is the moment where Ash Ketchum decided he wanted to become a pokemon master.
Exactly. It's almost like a butterfly coming from the cocoon
This is the moment where Jimmy became Saul Goodman
This part honestly made me cry. The soundtrack was a masterpiece.
I cried too!
As a man that's not so sensitive that scene made me tear up a masterpiece
I cried tooo I don’t know this scene just did something 😢 it made me think of you did something really terrible and just there is just no way back
fr fr i was getting teary eyed
omg same
I love how with headphones in, I can notice him breathing heavily as he's beginning to take form and how his breathing gradually slows as he unwinds and uncoils. He sheds his fear and uncertainty as he morphs into himself.
Beautifully explained
If u notice he is breathing heavy even when it shows him calmly dancing. Which means he was most likely dancing in his mind..
Its fuckin beautiful
That was beautiful man😢
In this scene he was dancing cautiously, slowly, unsure of his thoughts and actions. Locked in a bathroom so no one could see. Later in the movie he is dancing with confidence, fast and sure of himself. Dancing in public for the whole world to see. Those 2 scenes are a metaphor for his development throughout his journey and movie.
Thats why it is beautifully done. This is an intellectual movie that claws at the mirror of our own society. At our own reality. And thats why it's controversial and a masterpiece
Establishment Disliker film theory
Nah
Establishment Disliker lol what is controversial about this movie? He shoots someone? All the controversy was a worked up theory that some joker lover was going to shoot up a theatre and even that was a hoax
lol this comment is just I’m 14 and this is deep and we live in a society
@@carsonhales2449 Tru
"Ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?"
"Yes I have..."
Val Saludo he is not devil
@@ГеннадийОлексеев do u not ... *sigh...* leave please
@@thedecepticonhunter That was my thought...im like "Do you really not know the reference?!?"
Nice.
@@ГеннадийОлексеев you wouldn't get it...
The range he moves through emotions in this scene is insane. It's starts as a sheer panic, then a quiet calm, you literally can see the transition to this almost hypnotic therapy in his eyes. Even his hands are full of emotion, this man was brilliant through this entire movie!
he's just vibing
Those three Wayne employees failed the vibe check
he do be vibin tho ngl 😳
I would like this but it would ruin what has happened
The people who disliked the video ruined his vibe, now Joker has to do a vibe check 🔫😨
I just saw a comment that read "I held my breath by the beauty and pain of this scene. I felt an explosion of emotion...then questioned so much about myself afterward. Absolutely consumed." And the comment immediately after says "he's just vibing" lmfao
Fun fact: This scene was originally scripted as the Joker running into the bathroom and hiding his gun/washing his makeup. Phoenix and Philip changed it to Arthur dancing the day of shooting while at the set.
The smartest decision they ever made to make this movie an instant classic.
You also have to give Hildur for her music on this scene. Phoenix was inspired by the music playing on that bathroom that's why he danced instead of washing the mask off.
Nb: Hildur was making the score based on script, she never watched any scene before writing the music.
Wow oh yeah I heard that he improvised it. THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN HOW IT WAS GONNA BE
@@parashit2181 She is awesome.
This was not scripted at all it was improvised by Joaquin.
The JayJay So it was improvised...
You’re technically both right - you could probably say it wasn’t “completely” improvised, but mostly or partially improvised.
@The JayJay so it was improvised
@Gibraltar 😂 I think he’s had enough lmao
"I played it for him (the soundtrack) and he loved it, and he just started doing this dance to it" - Todd Phillips
Sounds pretty much like an improvisation to me
Idk if it was just the people in the theater I was in when we saw this with my wife and brother, but I have NEVER been in a room where every single person was mesmerized by the total package of this scene. The acting, the music, everything just blew everyone away. It was complete silence, everyone was locked in. I wish I could experience seeing this movie again for the first time.
To me, this is one of the most beautiful moments of cinema. Finally, after a life of senseless suffering, he's set free.
Word ☑️
He sets himself free of reality, and therefore pain, by trapping himself in his delusion. It really is quite profound.
There has to be some other way to be set free than killing pepple...unless you're a psychopath.
@@ghfdgtrduh there is. The world he lived in wouldn't let him find it. If you think people can find it *Completely Alone* remember psychpaths need bodies and Arthur had nothing except his mind.
The running the bright lights the anxiety and loud noises is kind of like a sensory issue similar to a panic or anxiety attack or insomnia when you feel like everything is spiralling out of control
But then you shut the door dark dimmed lights soft gentle music a small mirror and a sink
You just take a deep breath everything fades away
How a true man reacts to losing all his diamond enchanted armor after being knocked off by the end dragon.
Well said
Marcos Garcia Oh, I’m aware.
NEEEEEERRREDDDD!!!
@@trahapace150 ok
@Jonathan Samuel the type of guy that thinks he relates to a joaquin phx joker but to fake to be a jared leto joker
I'm not afraid to say it but anyone who has any type of issues with themselves or problems in their life can definitely relate to this scene
in a very weird way that'a true.
right here mate
I'm right here, and can relate to it
Smithers Withers my toast got burnt
Ive been close to this state. Be careful. we all have monsters inside of us. You can control it but if you have nothing to live for and society keeps messing you up, you get revenge like Joker
Y’all already know that this is the scene that sealed both Hildur and Phoenix’s Oscars.
The person that put together the soundtrack killed it
Jaden Devonish The composer is Hildur Guðnadóttir.
She’s a legend
serena
A legend how?
Colin Campbell as in like, her music was amazing and gave even more of an unsettling aura to the scene?? Bruh it’s a compliment
serena
That’s it?
Joker rated R
No action
No china release
1 billion dollars
And no one's laughing now
Critics were mixed. This film WON “The Golden Lion” at the Venice Film Festival. The first “comic-book type” movie to win that award. EVER. I truly believe it’s A MASTERPIECE. One of the best films I’ve EVER SEEN. It’s now earned $1.067 BILLION at the box office, the highest grossing R-rated film of all time. I think Phoenix will be nominated for the Oscar, and he WILL WIN.
Most critics did not hate it. Very mixed. Most critics hated Suicide Squad as an example
No CGI? Aren't some of the buildings in Gotham CGI?
@@nkhdennis8980 no they shot it at real locations
@@danielvasquez5761 the vanity fair video with Todd Phillips on Joker's opening scene says some buildings were added in to make the Gotham seem more claustrophobic
when you been constantly abused in life, this film speaks to your soul
Yeah, it surely does.
Yea it dose
Pray for me.
@@ghostfacedude93 i will brother, stay blessed
Joker: A movie about a man who tried to smile through the pain, until the pain made him smile.
Beautifully said. I don't think there's a more succinct and accurate statement I've read about this film than that. Thank you for that
Fun fact:Scene wasn’t in script it was improvised by Joaquin Phoenix
Well, Todd Phillips instructed him to do something erratic in the bathroom to show the jokers mindset.
Yeah, that's bullshit
Josh Witte it actually was improvised by Joaquin. There’s an interview with Todd Phillips(director) on RUclips explaining that the scripted scene was for Arthur to hide his gun and wash off his makeup in the bathroom.
Kevkas04 Ah yeah, he also gave him a quick note about the character that he was one with music and Joaquin got the idea of a fluid dance from that. It shows his dedication to the character.
Not necessarily improvised. The original script called for something else. Once they shot it didn’t feel right. So Todd and Joaquin sat on set alone thinking what to do with the scene to show the correct emotions with no words. Todd played the musical score hoping to inspire something and Joaquin was inspired to dance. That’s not really improvising but I know what you mean
Phoenix really took it to heart when Phillips told him that Arthur always had music in him. 2 improvised dance scenes that fit perfectly and wondrously.
When was the other? The Murray Franklin Show or the police car dance?
Davis Phillips When he shot that pistol off by accident.
And those who were dancing were called crazy by those who couldn’t hear the music
-F.nietzsche
AGREED!
Perfect
Oh yeah, the crazy misogynist. Yeah love that dude
One of the most beautiful scenes I have ever seen in a movie. This is where Joaquin made cinema history and won his well deserved Oscar .
This is arguably one of the darkest scenes in cinema history and it’s incredible
Yes
Very Nice.
And yet one of the most beautiful scenes in recent cinema
@@alesksander Impressive
When you try crack for the first time
People think that Arthur fully transformed into Joker at the end of the film, but it was this scene right here. He enters the bathroom as Arthur, the dance is his transformation, and the moment he looks at himself in the mirror at the very end: Joker. Seriously genius filmmaking.
Who is here after this Master got what he deserves (Oscar)
Here here
That reminded me to how he was basically the one who made this scene which is why he is the best actor
Who’s Oscar and why did this guy get him
When you said “Master” was that a nod to his role in “The Master”?
If you think about it for a moment, this scene is a combination of great acting and epic music, both of them won an academy award.
This is one of the moments when tears started to come out from my eyes and I couldn't control them. Art at its finest, drama and transformation. God, you can hear the breath. One of the Best scenes in cinema history
This scene is totally improvised. Not scripted. And it feels so much more real. Phoenix and the director, was alone shooting this scene. Still hanging around set, after everyone had left, trying to figure things out. They were together for two hours, trying to figure out the scene according to script. But it didn't fit the mood they were after. So, they started throwing out idea's, which went nowhere. So, they went to set, fired up the camera... and Phoenix just went with what he felt like doing at that moment. Slowly dancing. Slowly transforming himself from all guilt, despair etc, and becoming a more of a figure letting go of everything he has done, embracing it, as the new him. Transforming from empath, to psychopat. So, like most iconic scenes in movies, are always improvised. Hench this is one of those moments in movie history. Because its more real, more flowing. Which reminds me of the final scene in BladeRunner, when Rutger Hauer gives his final speech in the rain. That scene is also 100% improvised, just to throw out an example...
lmaoo that's what they say and so you just believe it and parrot it to other sheep
No, there's an important factor who lead to this. The music! The director told Joaquin he got this track the day before, so he played it and Joaquin started dancing. Then, as you said happened
Who is here after Joker wins best score and performance awards?
It deserves it.
He gets what he fucking deserves.
pennywise he got what he fucking deserved
Wasn’t he your friend? Joker’s you friend
@@wendigovertigo yeah a bunch of dancing clowns
1:57 Oh, boy. The moment those tribal-like drums starts beating, you can literally feel the emotion in the scene
I’ve never seen a theater this quite during this scene,, simply breathtaking, i was lucky to see this masterpiece on the big screen
"Hildur Gudnadottir is the _first _*_woman_* to win Oscar for best original score" - 92nd Academy Awards 2020
Nikolas Zane so what if she is the first women
@@behindyou6427 just nice to see award shows becoming more inclusive
And?
Nikolas Zane actually she was the third
She is great i loved her
This movie makes you dig down deep into your feelings. The bad ones
I don't have to dig. But honestly, the "dark" feelings are actually ones of love. You hate injustice, so you're angry. You want to punish those who are evil, so you're bitter. But there's a catch.
1. You have to assess whether your perceived threat is real, or an illusion created from an earlier trauma.
2. You have to focus on "showing them" by succeeding in life. Revenge will not make you feel better. Success will. Your pain can be your strength. You can outlast your competitors by sheer force of will.
So, while I've lived my whole life with an inner well of anger and bitterness, I have learnt to control it and use it to benefit me. I don't need to indulge it or strengthen it, because there is an infinite supply. It will always be there, waiting for if/when society collapses. And if not, I've prepared for that, too. Succeed in peace, succeed in war.
Im glad it does...otherwise we will never have the balls to defend ourselves.
I wish I could do what Arthur does. I mean its like freedom!
Eric Legaria well you can but you shouldn’t ,ps not talking about him trying to fix society talking about killing and rioting
I swear bro
This scene was the one that shocked me the most out of the entire movie, even more that the Murray scene. I can't really explain why, but I remember watching this in the cinema (everyone completely silent) and being unable to process exactly what had just happened. Joaquin Phoenix did an impeccable job.
Joaquin Phoenix improvised that scene/ . He performance was outstanding/ . What a beautiful movie!!/ 👍
You ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight
Igual, me tomó por sorpresa fue tan impredecible
It is shocking because he just murdered 3 guys out of rage, but after he killed the 3rd one he came to his sense to realize he had done something terrible! So he starts running out of fear even without no one noticing what he did or chasing him. He gets to the bathroom clearly very scared, but he lets out what he really felt in a dance. The dance represents power and freedom, which he felt for the first time and loved it! This is the moment in which Arthur dissapears and the Joker takes his place. That's why it's so shocking.
This scene alone deserved all awards
From BTS they say that Joaquin Phoenix dance was all from scratch like nobody taught him. It was ALL Joaquin Phoenix. That's amazing.
he did have a choreographer for other scene and practiced dancing. however this scene was originally completely diff and kinda cheesy imo. Joaquin improvised this specific dance on the spot with no choreographer present, now that's talent
Whats bts got to do with it
@@ThomasJ502 does it mean behind the scenes of what's happening while shooting a movie
@@xenoslayer360 sorry I was trying a lil joke
@@ThomasJ502 it's okay I understand you.
I suffered like an electroshock after this film. Am I the only one who was so impressed by this film?
the movie has 11 Oscar nominations.
I couldn't even eat my Whooper in peace in that day, because that movie....yeahhh, it was awesome.
Lol...no. Your not.
I watched it 3 times in a row so... no, you were not the only one 🙂
Deeply affected me. As I am very, very short and have been a victim of bullying and violence/bashings my entire life it made my heart feel joy that someone fought back, even if it was just a movie. Incredible
This scene alone will win him the Oscar.
Throw in the talk show scene as well
@@lqleviathan And the scene with him laughing infront the socail worker at the start of the movie. Shit every scene pretty much lol
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ジョーカーの映画の中でこのシーンがほぼ全てだわ
怒り、悲しみ、高揚感諸々全部の感情が混じったこの踊り、映画館で鳥肌経たずにいられなかったあの時が懐かしい
joaquin deserves the oscar simply because of the fact that this scene was improvised.
This scene is so powerful.
The class clown when he arrives to his house
@Help Me Get 1000 Subscribers "You wouldn't get it..." 🚬
@@ruminatingreptilian5907
*Frank Sinatra's That's Life intensifies*
@@ruminatingreptilian5907 daaaaaaaaamn
No!
Tamás Pákey *walks out of room with bloody footprints*
The mind blowing fact that, the producers were about to do only two secs on the bathroom scene, it was meant for Joaquin to get in, Change, Stacy the gun and get out, but he refused to do the scene 🎬 like that, and started dancing, the producers took the shots of him dancing, and did this, and turned to be one of the most epic scenes ever 🙏 dude worth every penny they paid him
He didn't refuse to do the scene, while they were waiting for things to be set up Todd randomly shared a piece of audio with Joaquin that Guðnadóttir had composed for the film, on hearing it he instinctively started dancing and they both knew in that instance that they should do that instead of the scripted monologue.
Congrats to Hildur Guðnadóttir on winning Best Original Score at the Oscars tonight! This is the first scene I thought of when she won
That would have been so cool if was hanz zimmer who made the song. He is who I thought of first, until I found out about the lady.
You know you ve been in the most deep bottom of the kingdom of loneliness when you see this scene and feel a warm heat in your chest.
Onat Piran Bilen warm is not even the word dude i got Cozy !
Yep, this scene comforts the unfortunate. Sound kinda obnoxious to say but if you havent really felt the sadness Arthur has felt then, in a way, you can never fully understand
It sounds so pretentious but there does seem to be truth to that
I think you got heartburn
The people who dislike this are Wayne Enterprises businessmen
😂😂Forced by bruce wayne to dislike.
The batman will be born
Hes not my fav joker but hes still hood
🤣
Fouzi breakdown i want to know your location
I’ve seen all of the great movies of 2019. Films such as The Irishman, OUATIH, Parasite, 1917. But in my honest opinion, no film brought a bigger level of authenticity as this masterpiece right here
Twas my favourite movie of the year too
Joker was truly good. But u cant say no one brought this level of authenticity... Parasite and 1917 were works of true art and dedication.
He is just unbelievable as the joker, I’m so glad he didn’t get overlooked at the oscars. Well deserved and my favourite performance by an actor ever.
What's the picture on your profile?
Now officially Oscar winning music and acting.
One of the most mesmerizing scenes ever. The music, the light, the way he moves, the meaning, all.
This scene alone (also the Blood smile at the end) was worth him getting the Oscar. Joaquin Phoenix is a F*ing Master , he simply nailed this character.
I dont know what it is about this scene if the color, the music, the subtle moves, the camera work, the make up or pace, but its beautiful, its like a short film on its own
Bless you!
Usually when I watch a movie with the joker in it, i think of the joker as the actor. I see Jared Leto, or Heath Ledger. When watching this movie, I didn’t see Joaquin Phoenix. I saw the Joker
Fully agreed. I thought this as well. I felt like he wasn't trying hard to act as Joker, I felt like he *was* Joker.
Heath did good job... Joaquin Phoenix i forget it was an actor in the movie 😲😲😲
When i first heard the laugh in a trailer I was sold-You could almost see the HA HA HAs as written in the comics
Phoenix is brilliant in his role.
For me personally it's more easy for me to see Joaquin than it is for me to see ledger. And I'm not just saying that because of ledgers makeup, because even when Joaquin has the makeup on I'm still able to see that it's him.
Joaquin deserves a freaking Oscar!!!
Superhero movie (technically villian but still), they'd probably give a posthumous one (heath ledger) but Joaquin's is pretty unlikely
No,the Oscar deserves him
Ibrahim Bulut couldnt have said it any better
Star thx bro 😁
Ibrahim Bulut True 🙌🏼
Oh my God. I remember the entire theater becoming eerily quiet during this part of the film. We were completely mesmerized by this scene, with our eyes transfixed and experiencing intense chills and goosebumps. I will never forget that feeling. This movie was one of the best things to happen to the world, just five months before the pandemic hit.
"Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music"
Credit who said it. Friedrich Nietzsche.
Endgame had over a dozen films leading up to it, and Todd Philips made a better movie then Endgame with just one film.
That's not a fair comparison. I agree that this is better than Endgame but we're dealing with completely different narratives here. The MCU spent years creating, developing, building up, breaking down, winning and losing. It had to build a team. It had to develop characters. It had to spend years to culminate it into the overall Infinity Saga. The overall package was an awesome finale. However, Joker focused on a much smaller scale. It told a complete character piece that focused on one guy. There wasn't even a specific antagonist he was up against in this film.
Just because a story took many films to tell, it doesn't automatically become worse than the other.
Kagith exactly. Both movies are phenomenal, but can’t be compared at all
Endgame is like watching a football game and this movie is like watching an opera. People enjoy both for specific reasons. Doesn’t necessarily mean one is inherently better than the other.
You can't really compare a movie revolving around fantasy people doing fantasy things to one that is made to remind others of the uncomfortable reality. The former is for entertainment, the latter is to send a meaningful message. Very different pieces of work.
Endgame was entertainment, Joker was art.
Well, I have mental health issues as well. When I saw this scene, I was shocked. I cried. Because I used to do that too. When depression hits so hard that I want to kill myself, I turn off all the lights and just start to dance. HIS dance just looks like my dance. It was like... Like someone looked inside my mind and created a character who represents my depression, my violent thoughts. I just feel this deep connection with him trough this one scene... This is a masterpiece. This. Is art.
I'm happy that your thoughts go to dancing and nothing more, stay dancing
This scene resonated with me, too. They captured something I’ve only ever felt. ❤️
I dance when I feel like half the world abandoned me too (not gonna define this because it’s private). I dance except that it’s not slow or anything at all, it’s just me chicken dancing around to music in my head so that I don’t feel sad anymore, it usually gives me more mental break down.
Hey man the same happened to me. I wanted to kill myself and I had so much pain and sadness. I danced in the dark and let my feelings flow. It was beautiful. I love this scene in the movie.
don’t care
In my opinion there is no doubting it. From the music, to literally everything else about this. It’s one of the most beautiful yet unsettling scenes of all time. That music is absolutely bone chilling.
What a fucking masterpiece
I love how it honestly wasn’t a joker movie it was a Arthur fleck movie
It’s maybe the best film I’ve ever seen
This is my favorite movie scene ever
Joker: Have you ever danced with the devil, in the pale moonlight?
Joker: Better.
Poetry. What an absolute brilliant scene. Can’t wait for Joker 2
The greatest scene in the movie, and one of the greatest scenes in cinema history.
Why?
@@nxtron3362 did you watch it?
Nearly every scene before this point you see how stiff he is, how tight he holds himself together. But here, we still him loose. Free. Like all those chains on him fell off him for the first time.
The Exiled Draco In interviews Joaquin has said playing Joker felt a lot more freeing than playing the painfully repressed Arthur.
Thanks Plato
The Exiled Draco similar to how he let loose and bit back society for bullying him and killing those three guys
The music and this performance deserves every award.
I wish I could experience watching this in the cinema again.
The murder of the three men and this dance was the conception of Joker, the reveal of Arthur's childhood was the birth of Joker, and the public execution of Murray was the baptism of Joker.
And the blood smile was the full rise.
This movie only came out half a year ago and I already consider this classic and an iconic scene.
The power of body language
I recently found out that this scene is an adlib by joaquin, this scenes was created by him. It gives me chills to know how legendary of an actor he is.