I'm cuddled up with my C2 watching this, telling it that everything will be okay, while simultaneously holding hands with my M&P 2.0 behind it's back lmao
@@NamelyssActualI enjoy shooting mine it will take any ammo I feed it ! im just not a fan of the trigger tbh, feel like there’s too much travel as well as it being curved compared to my CS or Glock
Extractor tension needs to be adjusted, very common on 1911 and 2011s with internal extractor. Also the channel the extractor is in will get gummed up and needs to be cleaned every few thousand rounds.
I would look at the ejector. It is most likely bent upwards from over seating magazines on a locked back slide. The Staccato G3 20 rounder mags prevent this with their base pads. However the 27 rounders and the Prodigy mags can over seat and contact the ejector.
Ohhh boy I’ve been waiting for your opinions on this lol. For anyone looking to buy or simply just shit on these guns cause thats what people do, heres my worthless take: I grew up on Glocks, carried them for a few years. Started getting into customizing things as I shot more and 6 years later I own all three of these Staccatos. Got tired of customizing Glocks into “trashy” guns, so Staccatos became the “buy once cry once” guns. Eventually became my carry gun. These guns have a learning curve. They don’t shoot themselves and they require maintenance- don’t buy one if you are going to compare it to a Glock. I keep round counts on all three XC- 4,972rds S&B 115gr, 11mo P- 2,100rds S&B 115gr, 1yr 9mo CS- 986rds S&B and Hornady, 1 yr No shit, I’ve never had a failure to extract, failure to feed, or light strike. I clean these every 500rds or so, but I wouldn’t be worried if I exceeded that in a day. I clean all my pistols when I’m done with the range. Now, you are already seething 😂 “a Glock wont need to be cleaned ever”. And you are right, don’t buy one if thats an issue for you. “Oh you’ve never had a malfunction? Bullshit.” I only use Staccato mags, my only bulk ammo option is S&B and 2011s are pretty good about light strikes. Do NOT buy one of these if you are looking for the most reliable gun in your fantasy of saving the world from alien invasions or Red Dawn. Do NOT buy one if you love everything about your current gun and not looking to change anything. Buy one if you have the money, okay with learning the maintenance and behavior of the gun, and if you are already a good shooter and looking to buy a very SLIGHT edge. It’s not buying skill, but if it can compliment you then buy it. I got into these for the trigger pull, the thumb safety, and the recoil.
My experience has been nearly identical to yours. Clean every 500 or so and no problems. I just wipe it down with a paper towel and oil it and my P and CS have been very solid. I would venture to say the CS would be even more reliable considering the external extractor and redesigned magazine.
Unfortunately I subscribe to a "combat" handgun. That costs 5k, and doesn't chew through everything is nothing more than high priced junk. Kinda like 3k glocks. It's a shame too, because I really, really wanted to buy 1.
@Oldylocks Effin' A, my friend. I, too, carried a Glock for many years, and I now have been carrying a CS for the past year (almost). I absolutely love it. Very well said. I get so tired of seeing all these other people putting down those who buy these, calling them "elitists," etc. If someone wants to buy a Hi-Point, I might suggest a different platform, but at the end of the day, who am I to tell them or chastise them for what they want to carry? So long as they train and become proficient with their weapon of choice. And don't even get me started on all of the comments about Staccatos not being drop safe...
As someone who has relied on a firearm when starting trouble with bad people, I love your approach. Not all range guns hold up to real-world situations.
You guy’s probably damaged (bent) the ejector on the P by slamming in the larger 27 round mags or the prodigy mags on a locked back slide. You can’t do that with 2011s. If you want to do that with the P you have to use the Staccato G3 20 rounders with the new G3 base pads that prevents over seating the magazines.
@@TREXARMS I mean, that's different, but it sounds like a training scar. Yes, we've come to expect that with modern guns, but M1911-style guns should *never* have the mag slammed in with the slide locked back ...save for special mags designed for it.
@@acem82 I have slammed magazines through Glocks thousands of times and never had an issue. I would rather trust my life with a duty gun that I don’t have to think about what I can and cannot do with it before it is put to work.
He gives the correct answer and gets blasted. Guess slamming 40 s&w rounds in the mags would cause issues just the same but they didn't do that so they can do certain things, but mention something reasonable like use the proper mag or don't over insert when in slide lock and bam crying it's not duty capable then what a joke.
@@TREXARMS just nuances of the platform... Also needs more cleaning and lube maintenance than striker guns. The critical magazine dimensions also need to be checked with calipers periodically. Tradeoffs...
Here to say that I’ve put 2k rounds of S&B through my model P in the last 2 months. 1k of which was with no cleaning, but added lube every 250 rounds. Never had a problem with new STI and MBX mags.
I have a C2 and P and have never had issues until it came time to replace the recoil spring. I have had issues with extreme budget ammo but no more issues than anything else. I clean semi regularly but I knew that getting into this and I also keep all my tools in good condition because I like to keep my stuff squared away.
@@joeditz48250rds per range session is pretty reasonable, and lubing a gun that likes to be wet isn't a big ask. Takes you a few seconds and you're good to go. As for whether you have to lube them, there's plenty of videos showing people going well beyond that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give someone shit for a drop or two after a range session.
@@redneckbunniithefirst410There's documented cases of these guns running without cleaning and just the occasional dose of lube. My prodigy personally sees a cleaning every 1000, but that's just because it starts to get disgusting.
That's common knowledge in the 2011 world. These are glock fan bois trying to discredit any pistol that's not a glock. With all the fumbling going on.... I venture to say it's intentional.
I haven't finished this yet, but - why would you design a Staccato "test" with Prodigy mags?? That would be like conducting a BCM rifle test with absolute bottom-of-the-barrel AR mags. Kind of invalidates your test for what is a very minor cost savings. The very first issue I'm seeing in the video (~ 5:10) is clearly a Prodigy mag.
This “test “ is really saddening. I run a staccato P for competitions and have had zero issues. I use staccato mags and nothing else. You don’t have to slam mags in to be fast.
I have over 7k rounds with my staccato P and only had 2 issues through the 7k rounds that mainly a little bit of lubrication could have prevented, but besides that... she still runs like a champ.
I can almost 100% say that first magazine not coming out of the gun was the Springfield magazine. Mainly because of its finish and his combination in shooting it in that gun. In my prodigy I've had zero problems with magazines
When did you get your prodigy and does it work? Did you have to mod it? I kinda want one for a range toy/project gun. I wanna learn to work on 2011's and the Prodigy does seem like a good gun for that purpose but I would like it to work RELATIVELY well out of the box. 2011s are fun to shoot.
@armorers_wrench Got one earlier this year, put about 700 rounds through it before I did something that caused hammer follow (I was fucking with it a lot), decided to have the internals upgraded and Atlas safeties fitted. Managed 9th in a local steel comp against people with full race guns, PCC's, and some seriously competent shooters. It has 1300rds through it as of right now, it's never choked on ammo even the shit I would dig up while working at my job. It's been cleaned three times, once after a 150rd break in, after about 500rds, and then after I got it back from the gunsmith. PS. Have someone experienced do the safeties. I had my coworker help me, and he unfortunately made a mistake that resulted in him paying for another pair of safeties (I appreciate it, I would have done the same thing, and I got him a Trex holster for his 19X as a thank you).
I sold off 7 guns this year (Glocks, CZs, Rugers) and bought a Staccato XC and optic. I love it and have been having a great time shooting it. I jumped up a classification in IDPA and am shooting better in USPSA matches. No regrats!
The XC can only compete in open div right? Doesn't that actually put you at a huge disadvantage because the optic reciprocates and it isn't major power factor or whatever?
@ In USPSA yes. But I also shoot a lot of IDPA, Steel Challenge and PCSL that don’t have power factor. I’ve shot Limited Minor for years in USPSA. Obviously, if someone is at the Master / GM level for USPSA, then this isn’t the gun for them.
I think a lot of people overthink this shit. You don't have to be on the cutting edge, you can go and have a good time without some crazy race gun. Hell, I've outshot guys running Limcat's and other wild setups using a Prodigy 4.25" and when I try their guns, I shoot them faster than they can. 😂@@Davinoadam
7900 rounds through a Staccato P. 115, 124, 147 Gold Dot. The gun just plain works. #1 - Don't use Prodigy mags. #2 - The extractor on the P appears to need some tension added. I would also look at cleaning out the extractor channel in the slide while you're at it. Probably full of accumulated carbon and that can prevent it from working correctly. #3 - Lucas ask your friend Mike Pannone about his experience with the P. He put 10,000 rounds of Wolf through it in one range session with no problems whatsoever.
I understand buying guns like 2011s. But in these two posts, you justified exactly why they are not serious tools to bet your life on. My wife had zero input from me, and she realized it’s too dainty to be put in a scenario where your life can depend on it. So she carries a Shield and keeps a 2.0 at bedside. I have a Special Forces and a Sand Hawk, and she has never once asked why I don’t carry either of them over my twenty year old G19. You can carry them. It’s very unlikely you will ever need them, and less likely you will need them in adverse conditions. But in that one in a billion scenario, it’s not worth taking the chance. And I know my EB and NH are incredibly overpriced and overrated for what they are, and I’d never try and defend that.
I carried Glock for years on duty, then switched to the Staccato P to carry on duty. I have put at least 4,800 rounds through it with zero malfunctions. Definitely only use Staccato mags (even though they’re pricey) I have my 6 range mags and 6 duty mags. I agree it was probably the prodigy mags, because we all know the prodigy has had MANY MANY problems, so why wouldn’t the mags be different? 🤷♂️ I trust my life with Staccato and so does our away team and many other deps.
#1 but a Glock because you won’t have to worry about an extractor channel or an extractor needing attention #2 don’t drop your staccato or it will go off #3 listing things like this is stupid
My C2 and Duty XC have never failed me. My C2 has literally saved my life and others so I’ll stick with them for life! Great service and durability in my eyes. I’ve put thousands of rounds through with minimal cleaning. Our entire SWAT team and 50 percent of the agency runs some for of Staccato.
(Edit: Since all the haters keep missing the point of this comment, the comment is that when someone wants a cheap reliable gun for the bed stand they get a cheap reliable pistol. Everyone makes fun of the 2011 competition dudes, despite them consistently shooting them more than 99% of the population, which makes them more prone to wear and tear.) Stoeger say's he feels pretty good about them, and he's got I think 30k rounds through his XC, which is wild because he came from the Glock world. I'm gonna be honest. A ton of people make fun of 2011 users, and whenever the hiccup in competition people are like,"Ooop 2011 issues" Without even acknowledging that pistol likely has 200+ rounds a week in competition. These guy's shoot the piss out of these things, and it's one of the few platforms where you'll meet people that legitimately shoot 50k+ rounds on their pistols.
@@evanf7334 2011 haters when people actually shoot their gun's instead talking about how reliable it is. Since you can't do math, 200 a week for competition exclusively is 10k a year...
@@Mrjohnnymoo1I’m sure you do shoot your gun bro. I’m sure you have a million+ rounds on your 2011. You see the nice thing about most striker fired polymer guns is they don’t start to choke if they’re not cleaned after one range session😂😂
@@evanf7334 oh hey now, my Staccato mags need to be cleaned after every stage or else they malfunction. Staccato 2011s are horrible for what you pay for, including the beloved xc that doesn't compete in competition. The cheapest I'd go now is MPA, but the mags still suck.
@TREXARMS you’d just depress the firing pin with a car key or something and slide out the extractor. If it’s not super bound up it would come right out. The extractor tunnel is probably full of carbon and preventing it from getting a full purchase on the case rim.
@TREXARMS you are pulling the extractor and ficing it at the range. If you know what you're doing it takes less than 2 minutes. The extractor in the P is not tuned, it's a common issue and Staccato should take the 2 mins to tune it before it leaves the factory.
Hop off his beef stick bro. The way you’re gargling his nuts is crazy. They’re focused on shooting the guns and running drills not sitting there fixing an issue with the gun. Did you not listen to anything Lucas said ? If the gun is slowing him down he’s going to get a new gun.
@@TREXARMSreally? It’s a quick thing to clean. But then you couldn’t keep acting like these are terrible weapons. Also, I’m not sure why you would use prodigy flush mags and expect them to clear, when they rub against the mag well, but I guess that’s a common sense thing, along with using prodigy mags at all in what you wanted to test was what, exactly, anyway? It started with your facial expressions when describing your sti and that you wished you’d never bought it… To be clear, anyone who wants a super reliable weapon with minimal effort, I’m sure most of us have a box stock Glock 19, I do. But I think if you wanted to prove a point with this video, you did. It wasn’t about staccato tho. It was about your bias. It’s called a grip safety btw, not a beaver tail. Last, Looser pants might help you to be in a better mood.
Hk mr556 is around that price which i think is still nuts. But for that price id way rather have a rifle. Its way more gun for the money. Just my 2 n half cents.
My Staccato P 5" i bought this year has so far eaten 124 Blazer, 124 s&b, 115 Winchester. 1600 rounds mixed. Last 700 of Blazer 124 i havent cleaned the gun. All Gen 3 Staccato mags and Checkmate mags. No malfunctions. No l dont get to shoot often but when i go its 300-400 rounds. I shoot the P better than any gun ive ever had. It is my go to for sure. My second favorite is my Glock 45 with Radian ramjet.
I'm glad to see they're getting better. My first P was straight garbage, didn't run anything and had constant mag issues. My second one was better, but couldn't handle the desert dust where I shoot. Got through two USPSA stages before it became a single action gun. Went through it and nothing fit right: barrel lugs were misshaped, barrel feet were mismatched and caused lockup/timing issues, disconnector wasn't smooth, and the sear had a burr on it. Got it all fixed and then had constant mag issues (gen 2).
I carried a C2 for 3 years and trained with it a lot. Such an awesome gun. I just switched to the CS and the 2024 C for carry and they are even more awesome. Really great guns. I think if you could only have one the 2024 C is the same size as a G19 or with the full-size grip the G45 and is really a do it all 2011 pistol. With a TLR7 HLX with its 1000 lumens that is the ideal concealed carry pistol. A one and done do everything pistol.
@@colbyjwisewait until you find out no 1911 is drop safe.. who coulda guessed a 2011 built off a 1911 wouldn’t be drop safe… It was ok for 100 years.. also it’ll only go off muzzle dropped down lmfao..
I had a Staccato C2 that I had to keep disgustingly oiled to get through one magazine. I didn’t keep it very long. I was 100% disappointed as I had saved up for a while to get what I thought would be my forever dream gun. That’s just my sample of one and I’m just sharing my experience.
i really would love to thank you for your contribution! you have inspired me so much and now, i got my AR and head down in training! thank you from Italy! keep up the good work!
Glad T Rex did this video. I think this can definitely be a niche video segment T Rex should do. By that I mean evaluating specific items that are very “Hype beast”, regardless of the outcome… Good, bad or indifferent.
Couldn't stop laughing at various points in the video but it was also really informative and interesting. Great video from the team and well done Lucas and Brantley 👍
Nice to see you guys starting to use some S&B ammo in your testing. It's way more reliable than Winchester ammo in my experience, and it's also far cleaner burning, too.
@tonytaylor5461 likewise. I love that stuff. The stuff i stay away from is blazer brass 115. Me n my buddy both had issues with 2 cases from the same lot.
@@tonytaylor5461 Yeah, it's nice having full-power ammo to train with. Also nice not having to do a massive cleaning on my gun after a range session...Just a wipe down with some oil and I'm good to go.
@@tonytaylor5461 yup me n my buddy both had extraction issues. His beretta 92x performance and my hk p30 and some time later but other buddys g19 g5 did the same thing. Never had a problem with it other than that lot but theres too many options out there to mess with it again
Keep her clean and lubed and she won’t fail you. I don’t treat my staccato like a Glock because it’s not. It’s a damn staccato, I haven’t had any issues with mine in over 3k rounds other than 2 or 3 light strikes. I’m personally convinced they did not take care of the staccato P in this video or it’s a lemon because I’ve never seen one have so many malfunctions. If im carrying it for my edc, it’s going to be spotless and full of ammo I know it likes. Reliably is not a question with them as long as they are maintained. Regardless, I loved watching this video start to end. Definitely other great guns out there that do the same for less money but there’s nothing like blasting away with a 2011. Fun vid 👍🏻
I have over 5k rounds through my staccato P, and neglect it like my Glock and I haven’t had a single malfunction. I’ve shot blazer 115, maxxtech 115-124, magetech 115, PMC 115-124, gold dot 124-147, norma 124
@@Badwolf2012-o1i More than half the year I’m at Swat training for 10 hour days on the range and have only seen a few light primer strikes at best but with old ammunition we’re cycling out. I to find it hard to believe but usually the operator induces most of the malfunctions or those shitty prodigy magazines.
I have 3 Staccatos (P,XC,CS). They all run great the XC doesn’t seem to like certain ammo but it runs the Staccato match and range ammo flawlessly. I love to see this content though because no platform is perfect. Great video gentlemen
My conceal carry gun is the C2 Limited and I shoot the XC in USPSA. I have had zero issues. I find Staccato’s to be very reliable. Many police departments do also since they are using Staccato as their duty guns.
Nah it's still an open gun but "marketed" as duty which they never should have done. Genius move on their part. Police often can't shoot and have minimal training so they choose guns to mask shooter inefficiencies. That's the main reason why people buy Staccato. "Buying skill"
I've been carrying a Staccato CS for awhile now and I love it. When I first got it, other than a quick initial cleaning/lube, I fired roughly 500 rounds through it without cleaning. All the parts Staccato says to keep lubed often were dry. Gun ran flawlessly with ZERO malfunctions. There's also a video of the CS here on RUclips where 3,000 rounds were fired through it relentlessly without a single cleaning and it ran with, dare I say, Glock-like reliability.
Have a little over 20k rounds on my P with an x300 and P2. I’ve never cleaned it. I just lube the rails and barrel every 500 rounds. No parts breakages. I only run CCI Blazer brass 115 and 124 grain and Federal HST +P 124 grain. The DLC coating hold up amazing. It still looks brand new aside from it being really dirty.
I got 9700 on my P and haven’t cleaned it in the last 2700 rounds. No real issues, had 2 rounds sluggish going into battery, which I probably shortstroked. Both times were at a match, and I loaded a full mag, and racked the slide. I was on the timer so probably nerves.
I've found that the Staccato's apparently don't love Springfield mags. My manager got a C2, we tried one of my Prodigy mags, and it locked the gun up. I didn't see the same issue with a JG that my buddy had. As for my Prodigy, it ran reliably until I damaged the sear (I'm assuming) while I was fucking with internals with the plan of, "if I break it, I get better parts" and this resulted in the gun going full auto on occasion. Once I had a gunsmith set it up, it's now a great gun, eats anything I give it (including shit other people tossed cause it wouldn't run in their gun). Haven't been competing due to money reasons (carry gun gets the ammo budget at times like these). I don't expect to see issues with the gun though, and there are people with 20k plus through them and no issues (Ben Stoeger has an interview). Prodigy, LFA, or Fusion Firearms are what I'd suggest people look at if they want a 2011. If you have a bit more money, then Stealth Arms or BUL are options as well, along with used Staccato's if you can get a good deal (sub 2000 ideally). They are a blast to shoot, and if you're really interested in competition, they are a nice alternative to building out a CZ Shadow 2 which will ultimately run close to the same amount. There's also nothing wrong with just sticking with a Glock, Smith, or Walther. Just put in the time, push yourself, and dry rep your shit. PS. If you're really interested in 2011's check out Ben Stoeger's videos as well, and the Tenicor video on the CS was pretty interesting.
The slide-lock you are experiencing on the last round is because the follower has a longer catch. I use these mags in my P and you have to shave down the platform where the follower meets the slide stop. After that, they run fine. it is worth mentioning that the hole in the side of the mag is smaller so it is harder to get them to drop free. I also had problems with my P. Not with light primer strikes but with extraction. I sent it in to get a comp put on it and in addition, they put a lighter spring after that comp or not I no longer had any issues.
I’m sure these give a bit of a performance edge but not 600% performance increase. For most shooters I just don’t think the cost is justifiable. Especially if they havent mastered fundamentals.
The staccato P definitely has some kinda of failure in the ejection system staccato did have some extractors with poor metal quality causing the tuning of the extractor to fail. And the prodigy mags are not the best they are 50 bucks for a reason… If you want a faster tracking XC throw a 10/11lb spring in it!
Had my Staccato P since early July. 12k rounds on it it has been 100% reliable. No light primer strikes, stove pipes, etc. I've owned the lot on striker guns. Glock, sig, smith, cz, walther etc. I don't recall any of them being 100% at that round count.
My Glock 19 has been 100% at a similar round count. My Sig P365 has FTE's all the friggin time. My Canik Rival has occasional light primer strikes but I did screw around with some trigger springs so I think that's on me because it didn't used to do that. I guess I'm gonna have to go back to the original springs. I am getting a Walther PDP soon.
@waltermooreiii3665 i would say 10k of thr 12k had been 124gr blazer brass. 2k has been a mix of 115gr blazer and 124gr browning. Then I have about 100 rounds of 147gr speer gold dot.
@armorers_wrench do yourself a favor and get the pdp pro. You can find them for only about 100 more than the og pdp. Definitely worth the money. I can shoot mine every bit as well as I can my Staccato P.
I’ve carried and shot an XC for a couple years now I will say they need a little more love than a Glock does and the flush fits sometimes get stuck in the mag well but never had issues with it. I love the accuracy, the feel, and the all steel frame
You actually have to use the magazines that were created for the gun for it too work properly lol. The proper way to hold a 1911/2011 is to ride your thumb on top of the thumb safety while shooting. Also if your pressing on the slide stop while shooting it will cause issues. You have to change your grip from a glock. The biggest issue appeared to be ammo related, i have the p and c2 never had a single issue
***You are having problems with extractor tension for sure thus why you are having so many FTEs. There is a lot less case rim for the extractor to bite on 9mm as opposed to a 45 gun and the 1911/2011 just hasn't found a great way around this yet. Quick fix is to take the extractor out and bend it back to tension. Slide taken off the frame, the extractor tension alone should be able to hold a loaded 9mm round on the breach face perpendicular to the ground and rotated 360 degrees. The gun should also be able to eject a casing when fired without a magazine in it (so the gun doesnt lean on the follower tension to push the case up/out) Pretty well known issue in the 1911/2011 world but I totally agree. These guns are great in their own way just cannot hang with the simplicity of modern polymer 9's that were designed from the ground up with 9mm case dimensions in mind. I'm a huge 1911/2011 guy, just gotta accept you are dealing with 100+ year old concept regardless of single/double stack
I own a heritage, and I absolutely love the thing….smoothest shooting firearm I own. Staccato also emails me and checks in and also sent me a hat..they are pricey but buy once, cry once, smiles for life
@@mcnasty0322 Blazer 115 and 124 is all I shoot. I never had a issue in my P or Glock. White box isn't much cheaper than blazer and more consistent imo.
It would be interesting to have Stacatto look at these guns and diagnose why all the stoppages. Wouldn’t shock me if they reached out to you guys after seeing this.
I just bought your Nova belt and I love it. Can't wait for my sidecar holster to come in. Btw. I work 3rd shift and you always upload a super long video right before bed. 😂 love you brother keep doing your thing!
I’ve lost track of how many rounds I fired through my C2 limited without a single malfunction. Nothing crazy, but a couple thousand rounds, Both suppressed and comped. My XC had a couple malfunctions when it was brand new. But none since then. I do load my own ammo and load them a longer length than factory ammo. Not sure if that makes a difference.
I own a Staccato P w/ DLC barrel manufactured in 2024. I’ve shot 3000 rounds (conservative on the numbers, it’s likely 3500+), 1000rds of blazer brass, 1000rds of Fiochi Range Dynamics, 1000rds of BPS and some STV. I’ve used staccato magazines and prodigy magazines(flush fit and 21 rd extended). I’ve experienced less than 10 malfunctions, all of which were light strikes. The pistol was cleaned and lubricated generously after every 250-300 rounds. This has been my experience, with a sample size of 1.
so, what is the purpose of this guns? if dont is competition, looks like to me they are combat or conceable guns, and if are the purpose, this pistols are pretty bad, and you're just making an excuse not to admit it.
You could definitely use it as a duty pistol--1911's have been carried for over a hundred years and they are known to be more finicky than modern striker guns. If you are aware of the pitfalls inherent in the platform you should be fine to carry one imo. The biggest problem is something that I'm kinda shocked Staccato hasn't addressed--they have no mechanism to prevent over-insertion which can cause damage to the ejector quite easily. They could easily make it so over insertion is impossible but for whatever reason they didn't bother addressing the issue. Also, they may as well go with an external extractor. The 2011/1911 could be streamlined for modern manufacturing methods which would reduce the cost of manufacture and result in greater reliability but for some reason the current 2011 manufacturers don't bother. I don't understand it tbh. All they've done is widen the grip of a 1911 to accept a double stack mag...
I own a staccato p, before that? 1911 springfield and it is well known the 1911's do not like low grain ammo, under 120gr. Turns out my staccato doesn't either! Failure to extract at 100rounds! Just shoot 124gr or better with the 2011! You will thank me later! I wouldn't dream of running more than 400 rounds without cleaning mine to run more ammo through it! Gr8 content!
I’ve got about 6000 rounds through my staccato p. It needed some tension on the extractor which I discovered around 500 rounds. No issues at all until very recently when it was failing to extract but I think there was just some carbon buildup on the extractor. Gave it a good cleaning and it hasn’t happened since. Gun is phenomenal. It’s my bedside pistol for a reason.
Im not Lucas known or Lucas good, but I had a P that I used in comps that I put at least 10k rounds through with maybe 2 failures. I currently use an XC, and I have next to no failures on 5k-6k on it. Maybe Im lucky, but mine have been phenomenal shooters and have sold several more through allowing friends and others to shoot them. People can say I haven't ran them hard enough or whatever they want, but I do several comps per month and practice in between. Just my experience and .02 with the two models I have owned. I would 100% buy them again no doubt in my mind. Im sure there are nicer/better out there but the XC is a monster and I love it. I carry the XC occasionally but I bought it more for the performance than as a carry piece. I typically run 124 nato through the XC.
They bent the ejector on the P by slamming the 27 round magazines in on a locked back slide causing the mag to over seat. If you only use the 17 or 20 round Staccato G3 magazines this is Not an issue because those mags prevent over inserting them and they cannot come in contact with the ejector. Their lack of knowledge of 2011s caused them to damage their gun and make it look like it was unreliable garbage. This was user error.
The issue with the P in the video isn't a mag issue, it's a extractor issue. Specifically the extractor slipping off the case because of a shitty spring or weak spring.
@@garyandtricia1every single handgun with the exception of Glock can overseat a magazine and bend the extractor. That’s why you see all the other manufacturers running extended base plates or sleeves on the magazines. 2011s and other manufacturers use the baseplate as a stop for the magazine to prevent over insertion. Glock uses a ledge that is molded into the frame and magazine as a bump stop. That’s why you can ram a Glock magazine of any size into any size Glock without any issue. But you can’t do the same for other firearms without running the risk of over inserting the magazine and contacting the ejector.
@@garyandtricia1true 2011/1911 shooters know to buy their mags to have baseplates which stop against the frame/magwell and act as an overinsertion stop. Thats the design. Everyone that shoots them also knows that extended mags such as these dont have that and reload while the slide is closed. 26rd mags are gamer mags and are treated as such. My 2011 i can jam my 17 and 20rd mags in the gun, locked back and have zero issues because i have the correct base plates. When i use the 26rd, i know to treat it differently. Its called not being a dumbass and learning my platform.
Trex should try the same test, but with the Tisas and MAC 2011s, which are 1/4 the price of the Staccatos. I suspect that the Tisas and MAC 2011s will have better reliability, less refinement, but a smaller price.
It is a really good analogy when people compare Glock to Honda and high end 2011 to Ferrari. The Honda is going to run for 30,000 plus miles with zero maintenance and work like it should every time where the Ferrari needs to be meticulously maintained to perform at its highest level. Also any shade tree mechanic can put some money and parts into their civic to make it preform better, but it takes a master technician to work on the Ferrari. All the talk about price but how many glocks has t.rex arms thrown enough parts in to make up the price difference between the glock and the staccato P. Also I bet the ejector in the P was damaged by them slamming home those giant 26 round mags on an empty chamber. Over insertion is a thing with the 1911 platform. Over 15 years of nothing but striker fired pistols thinking I would never switch to the double stack 1911 platform. Now I'll never go back.
Thanks for the spot on comment. The mix of trash durmag mags, shit Winchester ammo, and slamming mags and extended mags at that makes this whole demo a joke. Thought T Rex was into education and data, but didn't even bother to learn the proper manual of arms and isolate the factors to actually determine what failed.
Hmm.. that’s an interesting take. I’ve shot an XL and XC for several years, including at Tactical Games as you mentioned, and I’ve never had a failure or malfunction with either one. I’ve never shot the P or CS, and I also stick to reliable factory ammo, mostly federal. I keep the guns clean and well lubricated, and that seems to be all that is necessary for them the reliably function for me. I can see why many departments have picked these up for duty use.
And they talk more about their Staccato way more than they shoot it. Probably due to fear of clearing malfunctions in front of others. As far as Glock fanboys go, Glocks have been backing up the talk hard for over 30 years. You may prefer another brand of whisky, but if you cant acknowledge that Glocks do their own talking, well, that is just a hater. Plain and simple
Bill drill at 6:34 mark. Not trying to tell you how to shoot because you are clearly efficient. First knuckle on your thumb on your firing hand put tension pushing back toward your face. This increases the rigidity in your wrist which “typically” will keep the muzzle down. I shot a bit when I was in the USMC and as an instructor in Quantico. Grouping like that I found was fixed using that method. Not a lot of tension just enough to get that big tendon to stand up
As somone who owns a staccato, a m and p and a glock i felt this was a solid and realistic review. I'll always love to shoot my staccato even with its flaws.
You guys have to actually clean the gun every 1000 rounds. It's not a glock. I run 2011 a lot. With great power comes great responsibility. So make sure that you clean the gun. Also note that staccato is just an entry into the 2011 space.
My first Staccato I bought was a C2, I went to the range and started shooting it right away, it jammed on me after 80 rounds on some basic Winchester ammo I bought (I don’t remember the grain). Kept shooting, and it kept jamming every once in awhile. Went home, put a punch of lubricant on it’s required parts, hasn’t jammed ever again. 😊
The 1911/2011 platform is much more complicated than the striker fire guns. The 1911/2011 requires a good deal of familiarity with its internals and a willingness to tune and adjust it and maintain it to make it as reliable as possible. I think its more fair to say that there are those who want a simple reliable gun out of the box and those who want a finely tuned race gun that they are willing to adjust to keep running.
I own both....love both. Own 6 glocks and a P. FWIW, I had my Gen5 34 have its slide lock fail while shooting and had the slide completely depart the frame with less than 1K through it (all OEM internals). My P has been flawless. I've carried the 17, 34 and P on Duty. I trust, and like, both just fine...
I’ve had my original C2 now for 3 years. It’s ported and tuned and been eating everything I throw at it. Probably has 15K on it. I shoot the heck out of it. Run it outside every week. Do a lot of runNgun stuff. Has it failed before, yeah. Mostly magazine springs wearing out. Good mags and high power springs are essential. Needs to be taken care of like an AR. Wish you guys had the new C.
@ yes it does! No loss of accuracy at all. Monsoon Tactical did the porting. It’s my favorite pistol and I would go to war with it. It’s been underwater, in dirt and everything in between. I’ve seen Glocks fail, all guns fail. These people and their opinions, take it for what it’s worth.
Definitely respect the video but from a neutral stand point you could sense the bias from the start of the video. When he said he wishes he had never bought his STI race run because he never shoots it. When you have already made up your mind about something, you will always exploit the cons over the pros. You do great work sir, thank you for the video.
Alright guys 2011’s have exposed ejectors. Unlike other handguns. If you slam a magazine into the weapon on slide lock, you damage the ejector. You did this on this video. Kind of thought you guys would know this. All weapons aren’t the same. They all run different. In competent hands, these are great pistols. If you “tactifudd” them like a Glock you will ruin them.
I’ve gotten so many light strikes with Winchester ammo and that’s with all my handguns from Glock, sig, m&p, stacatto. Switched to cci and haven’t had any issues anymore.
Not sure how old the P is. Not sure if it was new when you got it. Not sure how many rounds have been through it. Not cleaned. Not using OEM mags. Why should I care about this review again?
@@plmkoo6772 I can see why you’d say that. It’s cheap and easy, probably like your gun collection. But objectively speaking, why would you ever give a fuck about a review of a firearm under those questionable conditions.
I run my carry VP9sk in IDPA. I have fed it any kind of crappy ammo and great ammo, you can imagine, including my own underpowered reloads. Never a hiccup, it fkn runs. I will continue to trust my life on it.
WHERE ARE THE HITS?!?
Trex commenting on Trex made me laugh a little
The hits are to the bank account.
You got to pay to see them
What about the feet pics? I mean shot times.
Liking your own comments is worse than speeding up the footage, Lucas.
Atleast now we know Lucas is not a FED he handled that sloped rooftop perfectly
Fed upgrade, fed 2.1
🤣🤣
I know this is a joke -- but we all know that C-word FED was lying, right?
Lmfao
Tennessee's green sunset is beautiful this time of year.
When you drive to Kentucky, everything turns blue and bright. Literally at the border.
@@hadassahknight1149 I think he’s referring to the overwhelming green filter trex uses in all their videos.
@@mikerobinson8734 I know. (Things don’t turn blue and bright when you drive into Kentucky….)
lol I agree, it is a bit much, natural looks so much better.
Haha that’s the luts they used to edit…. Not actually this green 😮
I'm cuddled up with my C2 watching this, telling it that everything will be okay, while simultaneously holding hands with my M&P 2.0 behind it's back lmao
I find it interesting how many people who own staccatos ALSO own a 2.0 🤣
@@ericjuarez5940 I love the 2.0, super under-rated factory trigger in my opinion, and mine is the original 2.0 hinged trigger lol
@@NamelyssActualI enjoy shooting mine it will take any ammo I feed it ! im just not a fan of the trigger tbh, feel like there’s too much travel as well as it being curved compared to my CS or Glock
@@ericjuarez5940 I will agree that there’s a bit more travel than I’d like, but the break on mine is SUPER crisp, which is why I like it so much.
Fear not. The 2.0 will be there dudes.
great… now I have to fix that Staccato P.
😂
It’s most likely the recoil spring. Especially with a high round count like that gun has.
Extractor tension needs to be adjusted, very common on 1911 and 2011s with internal extractor. Also the channel the extractor is in will get gummed up and needs to be cleaned every few thousand rounds.
I would look at the ejector. It is most likely bent upwards from over seating magazines on a locked back slide. The Staccato G3 20 rounder mags prevent this with their base pads. However the 27 rounders and the Prodigy mags can over seat and contact the ejector.
All I’m hearing is, “these guns that cost as much as 5-8 Glocks are super finicky.”😂
Ohhh boy I’ve been waiting for your opinions on this lol. For anyone looking to buy or simply just shit on these guns cause thats what people do, heres my worthless take:
I grew up on Glocks, carried them for a few years. Started getting into customizing things as I shot more and 6 years later I own all three of these Staccatos. Got tired of customizing Glocks into “trashy” guns, so Staccatos became the “buy once cry once” guns. Eventually became my carry gun.
These guns have a learning curve. They don’t shoot themselves and they require maintenance- don’t buy one if you are going to compare it to a Glock. I keep round counts on all three
XC- 4,972rds S&B 115gr, 11mo
P- 2,100rds S&B 115gr, 1yr 9mo
CS- 986rds S&B and Hornady, 1 yr
No shit, I’ve never had a failure to extract, failure to feed, or light strike. I clean these every 500rds or so, but I wouldn’t be worried if I exceeded that in a day. I clean all my pistols when I’m done with the range. Now, you are already seething 😂 “a Glock wont need to be cleaned ever”. And you are right, don’t buy one if thats an issue for you. “Oh you’ve never had a malfunction? Bullshit.” I only use Staccato mags, my only bulk ammo option is S&B and 2011s are pretty good about light strikes.
Do NOT buy one of these if you are looking for the most reliable gun in your fantasy of saving the world from alien invasions or Red Dawn. Do NOT buy one if you love everything about your current gun and not looking to change anything. Buy one if you have the money, okay with learning the maintenance and behavior of the gun, and if you are already a good shooter and looking to buy a very SLIGHT edge. It’s not buying skill, but if it can compliment you then buy it. I got into these for the trigger pull, the thumb safety, and the recoil.
Preach 🗣️
My experience has been nearly identical to yours. Clean every 500 or so and no problems. I just wipe it down with a paper towel and oil it and my P and CS have been very solid. I would venture to say the CS would be even more reliable considering the external extractor and redesigned magazine.
A man of wisdom.
Unfortunately I subscribe to a "combat" handgun. That costs 5k, and doesn't chew through everything is nothing more than high priced junk. Kinda like 3k glocks. It's a shame too, because I really, really wanted to buy 1.
@Oldylocks Effin' A, my friend. I, too, carried a Glock for many years, and I now have been carrying a CS for the past year (almost). I absolutely love it.
Very well said. I get so tired of seeing all these other people putting down those who buy these, calling them "elitists," etc.
If someone wants to buy a Hi-Point, I might suggest a different platform, but at the end of the day, who am I to tell them or chastise them for what they want to carry? So long as they train and become proficient with their weapon of choice.
And don't even get me started on all of the comments about Staccatos not being drop safe...
As someone who has relied on a firearm when starting trouble with bad people, I love your approach. Not all range guns hold up to real-world situations.
Staccatos are run on duty across the country with no issues
@@um4668yet. Only time will tell
@ no argument from me because I don’t know much about Staccatos. At that price point, Staccatos are approved for duty, but not standard issue.
You guy’s probably damaged (bent) the ejector on the P by slamming in the larger 27 round mags or the prodigy mags on a locked back slide. You can’t do that with 2011s. If you want to do that with the P you have to use the Staccato G3 20 rounders with the new G3 base pads that prevents over seating the magazines.
That’s… just gay. If it’s a duty gun, it should accept any type of mag open or closed.
@@TREXARMS I mean, that's different, but it sounds like a training scar. Yes, we've come to expect that with modern guns, but M1911-style guns should *never* have the mag slammed in with the slide locked back ...save for special mags designed for it.
@@acem82 I have slammed magazines through Glocks thousands of times and never had an issue. I would rather trust my life with a duty gun that I don’t have to think about what I can and cannot do with it before it is put to work.
He gives the correct answer and gets blasted. Guess slamming 40 s&w rounds in the mags would cause issues just the same but they didn't do that so they can do certain things, but mention something reasonable like use the proper mag or don't over insert when in slide lock and bam crying it's not duty capable then what a joke.
@@TREXARMS just nuances of the platform... Also needs more cleaning and lube maintenance than striker guns. The critical magazine dimensions also need to be checked with calipers periodically. Tradeoffs...
Here to say that I’ve put 2k rounds of S&B through my model P in the last 2 months. 1k of which was with no cleaning, but added lube every 250 rounds. Never had a problem with new STI and MBX mags.
Lube every ~15 mags? That seems like a lot
I have a C2 and P and have never had issues until it came time to replace the recoil spring. I have had issues with extreme budget ammo but no more issues than anything else. I clean semi regularly but I knew that getting into this and I also keep all my tools in good condition because I like to keep my stuff squared away.
@@joeditz48250rds per range session is pretty reasonable, and lubing a gun that likes to be wet isn't a big ask. Takes you a few seconds and you're good to go. As for whether you have to lube them, there's plenty of videos showing people going well beyond that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to give someone shit for a drop or two after a range session.
@@redneckbunniithefirst410There's documented cases of these guns running without cleaning and just the occasional dose of lube. My prodigy personally sees a cleaning every 1000, but that's just because it starts to get disgusting.
@@joeditz48a small squirt of lube and maintenance seems like a lot to you?
The Staccato mags are the most reliable mags for their guns. I wouldn’t use prodigy mags.
Me either after this video!
That's common knowledge in the 2011 world. These are glock fan bois trying to discredit any pistol that's not a glock. With all the fumbling going on.... I venture to say it's intentional.
@@cl790305exactly. Everyone shoots better with a 2011 vs a glock.
I did not even know they were compatible.. well, clearly they arent but never even considered them.
Or Atlas
It’s crazy with the mags not dropping out of the gun Lucas is still faster and smoother than 90% of shooters! Good work guys.
I haven't finished this yet, but - why would you design a Staccato "test" with Prodigy mags?? That would be like conducting a BCM rifle test with absolute bottom-of-the-barrel AR mags. Kind of invalidates your test for what is a very minor cost savings. The very first issue I'm seeing in the video (~ 5:10) is clearly a Prodigy mag.
Exactly. They also don't understand over inserting extended mags in slide lock either.
This “test “ is really saddening. I run a staccato P for competitions and have had zero issues. I use staccato mags and nothing else. You don’t have to slam mags in to be fast.
I have over 7k rounds with my staccato P and only had 2 issues through the 7k rounds that mainly a little bit of lubrication could have prevented, but besides that... she still runs like a champ.
ammunition
@ a mixture of 147 grain federal rounds and some 115 grain blazer brass rounds
My hi-point has never had a malfunction
Uh huh whatever you say bro and I have 20 billion rounds through my Glock and it’s still chugging along
Every gun will do that
I can almost 100% say that first magazine not coming out of the gun was the Springfield magazine. Mainly because of its finish and his combination in shooting it in that gun. In my prodigy I've had zero problems with magazines
Springfield 🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
When did you get your prodigy and does it work? Did you have to mod it? I kinda want one for a range toy/project gun. I wanna learn to work on 2011's and the Prodigy does seem like a good gun for that purpose but I would like it to work RELATIVELY well out of the box. 2011s are fun to shoot.
@@Jack-M1113 Unfortunately for you, they are doing a pretty good job.
@@Osprey1994 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@armorers_wrench Got one earlier this year, put about 700 rounds through it before I did something that caused hammer follow (I was fucking with it a lot), decided to have the internals upgraded and Atlas safeties fitted. Managed 9th in a local steel comp against people with full race guns, PCC's, and some seriously competent shooters. It has 1300rds through it as of right now, it's never choked on ammo even the shit I would dig up while working at my job. It's been cleaned three times, once after a 150rd break in, after about 500rds, and then after I got it back from the gunsmith.
PS. Have someone experienced do the safeties. I had my coworker help me, and he unfortunately made a mistake that resulted in him paying for another pair of safeties (I appreciate it, I would have done the same thing, and I got him a Trex holster for his 19X as a thank you).
I sold off 7 guns this year (Glocks, CZs, Rugers) and bought a Staccato XC and optic. I love it and have been having a great time shooting it. I jumped up a classification in IDPA and am shooting better in USPSA matches. No regrats!
The XC can only compete in open div right? Doesn't that actually put you at a huge disadvantage because the optic reciprocates and it isn't major power factor or whatever?
@ In USPSA yes. But I also shoot a lot of IDPA, Steel Challenge and PCSL that don’t have power factor. I’ve shot Limited Minor for years in USPSA. Obviously, if someone is at the Master / GM level for USPSA, then this isn’t the gun for them.
I think a lot of people overthink this shit. You don't have to be on the cutting edge, you can go and have a good time without some crazy race gun. Hell, I've outshot guys running Limcat's and other wild setups using a Prodigy 4.25" and when I try their guns, I shoot them faster than they can. 😂@@Davinoadam
@@Davinoadamthe only acceptable IDPA classification is Master. Paper or not, easy to grab.
Really? Not one? No regrats?
😂
7900 rounds through a Staccato P. 115, 124, 147 Gold Dot. The gun just plain works. #1 - Don't use Prodigy mags. #2 - The extractor on the P appears to need some tension added. I would also look at cleaning out the extractor channel in the slide while you're at it. Probably full of accumulated carbon and that can prevent it from working correctly. #3 - Lucas ask your friend Mike Pannone about his experience with the P. He put 10,000 rounds of Wolf through it in one range session with no problems whatsoever.
I think they bent the ejector by slamming the 27 round mags into the gun when the slide was locked back.
I understand buying guns like 2011s. But in these two posts, you justified exactly why they are not serious tools to bet your life on. My wife had zero input from me, and she realized it’s too dainty to be put in a scenario where your life can depend on it. So she carries a Shield and keeps a 2.0 at bedside. I have a Special Forces and a Sand Hawk, and she has never once asked why I don’t carry either of them over my twenty year old G19. You can carry them. It’s very unlikely you will ever need them, and less likely you will need them in adverse conditions. But in that one in a billion scenario, it’s not worth taking the chance.
And I know my EB and NH are incredibly overpriced and overrated for what they are, and I’d never try and defend that.
I carried Glock for years on duty, then switched to the Staccato P to carry on duty. I have put at least 4,800 rounds through it with zero malfunctions. Definitely only use Staccato mags (even though they’re pricey) I have my 6 range mags and 6 duty mags. I agree it was probably the prodigy mags, because we all know the prodigy has had MANY MANY problems, so why wouldn’t the mags be different? 🤷♂️
I trust my life with Staccato and so does our away team and many other deps.
#1 but a Glock because you won’t have to worry about an extractor channel or an extractor needing attention
#2 don’t drop your staccato or it will go off
#3 listing things like this is stupid
@@True_Patriotxyeah loading the gun broke it🤡
So early that no one should theoretically be finished with the video lmao
I’ve watched you over the years and must say, you keep improving and looking like a pro. Keep up the great content and pressing your skills.
My C2 and Duty XC have never failed me. My C2 has literally saved my life and others so I’ll stick with them for life! Great service and durability in my eyes. I’ve put thousands of rounds through with minimal cleaning. Our entire SWAT team and 50 percent of the agency runs some for of Staccato.
I have a P and C2.
7k rounds between the two, mostly out of the P, zero malfunctions.
I trust my life with them at work too and I’m confident in that.
Interested in the C2 saving life story
@@jthrelfprobably pulled over someone scary.
(Edit: Since all the haters keep missing the point of this comment, the comment is that when someone wants a cheap reliable gun for the bed stand they get a cheap reliable pistol. Everyone makes fun of the 2011 competition dudes, despite them consistently shooting them more than 99% of the population, which makes them more prone to wear and tear.)
Stoeger say's he feels pretty good about them, and he's got I think 30k rounds through his XC, which is wild because he came from the Glock world.
I'm gonna be honest.
A ton of people make fun of 2011 users, and whenever the hiccup in competition people are like,"Ooop 2011 issues" Without even acknowledging that pistol likely has 200+ rounds a week in competition.
These guy's shoot the piss out of these things, and it's one of the few platforms where you'll meet people that legitimately shoot 50k+ rounds on their pistols.
2011 fanbois when their 100+ year old design handgun jams up after 200 rounds bc it wasn’t cleaned lol
@@evanf7334 2011 haters when people actually shoot their gun's instead talking about how reliable it is.
Since you can't do math, 200 a week for competition exclusively is 10k a year...
@@Mrjohnnymoo1I’m sure you do shoot your gun bro. I’m sure you have a million+ rounds on your 2011. You see the nice thing about most striker fired polymer guns is they don’t start to choke if they’re not cleaned after one range session😂😂
“He came from the Glock world” are you serious lmao
@@evanf7334 oh hey now, my Staccato mags need to be cleaned after every stage or else they malfunction. Staccato 2011s are horrible for what you pay for, including the beloved xc that doesn't compete in competition. The cheapest I'd go now is MPA, but the mags still suck.
Pro tip: when you have failures to extract, typically checking the extractor is a good place to start when getting to the root cause.
Sure, but it’s not like you’re fixing that on the range lol
@TREXARMS you’d just depress the firing pin with a car key or something and slide out the extractor. If it’s not super bound up it would come right out. The extractor tunnel is probably full of carbon and preventing it from getting a full purchase on the case rim.
@TREXARMS you are pulling the extractor and ficing it at the range. If you know what you're doing it takes less than 2 minutes. The extractor in the P is not tuned, it's a common issue and Staccato should take the 2 mins to tune it before it leaves the factory.
Hop off his beef stick bro. The way you’re gargling his nuts is crazy. They’re focused on shooting the guns and running drills not sitting there fixing an issue with the gun. Did you not listen to anything Lucas said ? If the gun is slowing him down he’s going to get a new gun.
@@TREXARMSreally? It’s a quick thing to clean. But then you couldn’t keep acting like these are terrible weapons. Also, I’m not sure why you would use prodigy flush mags and expect them to clear, when they rub against the mag well, but I guess that’s a common sense thing, along with using prodigy mags at all in what you wanted to test was what, exactly, anyway?
It started with your facial expressions when describing your sti and that you wished you’d never bought it…
To be clear, anyone who wants a super reliable weapon with minimal effort,
I’m sure most of us have a box stock Glock 19, I do. But I think if you wanted to prove a point with this video, you did. It wasn’t about staccato tho. It was about your bias. It’s called a grip safety btw, not a beaver tail. Last,
Looser pants might help you to be in a better mood.
4000 for a 2011 is stupid im sorry
$4000 for ANY pistol is stupid
Grand (i fuckn suck at being a faithful husband) Thumbs gun drop video from a few months back. you drop it, it will discharge. unfortunate.
They get a lot more expensive than 4k
Hk mr556 is around that price which i think is still nuts. But for that price id way rather have a rifle. Its way more gun for the money. Just my 2 n half cents.
$4000 for a 2011 is stupid. Another way of saying I can't afford one. Good job
My Staccato P 5" i bought this year has so far eaten 124 Blazer, 124 s&b, 115 Winchester. 1600 rounds mixed. Last 700 of Blazer 124 i havent cleaned the gun. All Gen 3 Staccato mags and Checkmate mags. No malfunctions. No l dont get to shoot often but when i go its 300-400 rounds. I shoot the P better than any gun ive ever had. It is my go to for sure. My second favorite is my Glock 45 with Radian ramjet.
I'm glad to see they're getting better. My first P was straight garbage, didn't run anything and had constant mag issues. My second one was better, but couldn't handle the desert dust where I shoot. Got through two USPSA stages before it became a single action gun. Went through it and nothing fit right: barrel lugs were misshaped, barrel feet were mismatched and caused lockup/timing issues, disconnector wasn't smooth, and the sear had a burr on it. Got it all fixed and then had constant mag issues (gen 2).
I carried a C2 for 3 years and trained with it a lot. Such an awesome gun. I just switched to the CS and the 2024 C for carry and they are even more awesome. Really great guns.
I think if you could only have one the 2024 C is the same size as a G19 or with the full-size grip the G45 and is really a do it all 2011 pistol. With a TLR7 HLX with its 1000 lumens that is the ideal concealed carry pistol. A one and done do everything pistol.
If you drop it the guide rod will break
Garand thumb did a drop test with this platform. Round fired almost every time. I would never carry such a sketchy firearm for my daily.
@@colbyjwisethis isn’t a new concept. It’s the same with every 70 series 1911 out there. People have been carrying those for years without issue.
@@Baj4936 EXACTLY 💯.
@@colbyjwisewait until you find out no 1911 is drop safe.. who coulda guessed a 2011 built off a 1911 wouldn’t be drop safe…
It was ok for 100 years.. also it’ll only go off muzzle dropped down lmfao..
I had a Staccato C2 that I had to keep disgustingly oiled to get through one magazine. I didn’t keep it very long. I was 100% disappointed as I had saved up for a while to get what I thought would be my forever dream gun. That’s just my sample of one and I’m just sharing my experience.
Damn that’s unlucky, I’ve had 0 issues with mine through 1000s of rounds with nothing more than regular maintenance you’d do on any gun
i really would love to thank you for your contribution! you have inspired me so much and now, i got my AR and head down in training! thank you from Italy! keep up the good work!
Glad T Rex did this video. I think this can definitely be a niche video segment T Rex should do. By that I mean evaluating specific items that are very “Hype beast”, regardless of the outcome… Good, bad or indifferent.
Couldn't stop laughing at various points in the video but it was also really informative and interesting. Great video from the team and well done Lucas and Brantley 👍
Nice to see you guys starting to use some S&B ammo in your testing. It's way more reliable than Winchester ammo in my experience, and it's also far cleaner burning, too.
S&B 124 is my favorite. I absolutely love the way it feels out of every gun
@tonytaylor5461 likewise. I love that stuff. The stuff i stay away from is blazer brass 115. Me n my buddy both had issues with 2 cases from the same lot.
@@tonytaylor5461 Yeah, it's nice having full-power ammo to train with. Also nice not having to do a massive cleaning on my gun after a range session...Just a wipe down with some oil and I'm good to go.
@FirstLast-ff7qx I thought I was the only 1. Everyone swears by Blazer 115. My guns hate it
@@tonytaylor5461 yup me n my buddy both had extraction issues. His beretta 92x performance and my hk p30 and some time later but other buddys g19 g5 did the same thing. Never had a problem with it other than that lot but theres too many options out there to mess with it again
Keep her clean and lubed and she won’t fail you. I don’t treat my staccato like a Glock because it’s not. It’s a damn staccato, I haven’t had any issues with mine in over 3k rounds other than 2 or 3 light strikes. I’m personally convinced they did not take care of the staccato P in this video or it’s a lemon because I’ve never seen one have so many malfunctions. If im carrying it for my edc, it’s going to be spotless and full of ammo I know it likes. Reliably is not a question with them as long as they are maintained. Regardless, I loved watching this video start to end. Definitely other great guns out there that do the same for less money but there’s nothing like blasting away with a 2011. Fun vid 👍🏻
I have over 5k rounds through my staccato P, and neglect it like my Glock and I haven’t had a single malfunction. I’ve shot blazer 115, maxxtech 115-124, magetech 115, PMC 115-124, gold dot 124-147, norma 124
It’s ok we all cope sometimes
@@Badwolf2012-o1i Glock Fan bois. That's all.
My XC and C2 have functioned flawlessly but with around 7-8k ran through.
@@RoninWarrior1776I find it hard to believe they have 3 different staccatos that all malfunctioned the first time out.
@@Badwolf2012-o1i More than half the year I’m at Swat training for 10 hour days on the range and have only seen a few light primer strikes at best but with old ammunition we’re cycling out. I to find it hard to believe but usually the operator induces most of the malfunctions or those shitty prodigy magazines.
Man you guys have had such good content the past month
I drank the coolaid and tried to transition to 2011's. Tisas, Bul, Staccato, Alchemy. I sold them all and I'm back to my Roland Special and G43x.
While 2011's are prettier, you can't go wrong with glock
Aside from a slightly loose right side safety, my alchemy has been flawless.
@@SteelCityIceBirds Mine quantico hicap sucked lmao.
@ what didn’t you like about it?
@@SteelCityIceBirds I have a vid on my channel, but basically it just had a ton of QC issues.
I have 3 Staccatos (P,XC,CS). They all run great the XC doesn’t seem to like certain ammo but it runs the Staccato match and range ammo flawlessly. I love to see this content though because no platform is perfect. Great video gentlemen
My conceal carry gun is the C2 Limited and I shoot the XC in USPSA. I have had zero issues. I find Staccato’s to be very reliable. Many police departments do also since they are using Staccato as their duty guns.
Nah it's still an open gun but "marketed" as duty which they never should have done. Genius move on their part. Police often can't shoot and have minimal training so they choose guns to mask shooter inefficiencies. That's the main reason why people buy Staccato. "Buying skill"
Another hour long video THANK YOUUU. I got tired of rewatching the old ones lol.
Hardest thing about concealed carry with the staccato is resisting the urge to show everyone your super fancy gun.
I've been carrying a Staccato CS for awhile now and I love it. When I first got it, other than a quick initial cleaning/lube, I fired roughly 500 rounds through it without cleaning. All the parts Staccato says to keep lubed often were dry. Gun ran flawlessly with ZERO malfunctions.
There's also a video of the CS here on RUclips where 3,000 rounds were fired through it relentlessly without a single cleaning and it ran with, dare I say, Glock-like reliability.
Very informative video. Thank you! You guys shoot great. Brantley is a demon.
10:19 the speed that your boy fumbled the mag and then went to another was super impressive.
Have a little over 20k rounds on my P with an x300 and P2. I’ve never cleaned it. I just lube the rails and barrel every 500 rounds. No parts breakages. I only run CCI Blazer brass 115 and 124 grain and Federal HST +P 124 grain. The DLC coating hold up amazing. It still looks brand new aside from it being really dirty.
wow, usually internal extractor needs some cleaning around 10k
@@josephshields2959interesting. I’ve never disassembled the gun before.
@@notme3184 you don’t necessarily need to do a full strip but you can usually get a pick tool to clean out the gunk near the extractor
I got 9700 on my P and haven’t cleaned it in the last 2700 rounds. No real issues, had 2 rounds sluggish going into battery, which I probably shortstroked. Both times were at a match, and I loaded a full mag, and racked the slide. I was on the timer so probably nerves.
@@oakwestplayer
How often do you lube yours
I've found that the Staccato's apparently don't love Springfield mags. My manager got a C2, we tried one of my Prodigy mags, and it locked the gun up. I didn't see the same issue with a JG that my buddy had.
As for my Prodigy, it ran reliably until I damaged the sear (I'm assuming) while I was fucking with internals with the plan of, "if I break it, I get better parts" and this resulted in the gun going full auto on occasion. Once I had a gunsmith set it up, it's now a great gun, eats anything I give it (including shit other people tossed cause it wouldn't run in their gun).
Haven't been competing due to money reasons (carry gun gets the ammo budget at times like these). I don't expect to see issues with the gun though, and there are people with 20k plus through them and no issues (Ben Stoeger has an interview).
Prodigy, LFA, or Fusion Firearms are what I'd suggest people look at if they want a 2011. If you have a bit more money, then Stealth Arms or BUL are options as well, along with used Staccato's if you can get a good deal (sub 2000 ideally).
They are a blast to shoot, and if you're really interested in competition, they are a nice alternative to building out a CZ Shadow 2 which will ultimately run close to the same amount.
There's also nothing wrong with just sticking with a Glock, Smith, or Walther. Just put in the time, push yourself, and dry rep your shit.
PS. If you're really interested in 2011's check out Ben Stoeger's videos as well, and the Tenicor video on the CS was pretty interesting.
I use prodigy mags in both my C2 and XC. You gotta tune most 2011 mags anyway
I had to sandblast a prodigy mag to get it to fit and feed right, it was the 20rnd one. What ever coating was on it was stupid thick.
Really prefer the c with new redsigned mags !
I love the “MALFUNTIOOONNNN”😂
Great video, appreciate the honesty!
"Officer please don't take this for the evidence locker, the attacker didn't kill me but my wife sure as hell will." 😂😂😂
Truth 🤣
The slide-lock you are experiencing on the last round is because the follower has a longer catch. I use these mags in my P and you have to shave down the platform where the follower meets the slide stop. After that, they run fine. it is worth mentioning that the hole in the side of the mag is smaller so it is harder to get them to drop free.
I also had problems with my P. Not with light primer strikes but with extraction. I sent it in to get a comp put on it and in addition, they put a lighter spring after that comp or not I no longer had any issues.
I’m sure these give a bit of a performance edge but not 600% performance increase. For most shooters I just don’t think the cost is justifiable. Especially if they havent mastered fundamentals.
Stock Glock and 5000 $ worth of ammo is a much better deal
Yall are the first i have seen do this with these. Awesome video yall
The staccato P definitely has some kinda of failure in the ejection system staccato did have some extractors with poor metal quality causing the tuning of the extractor to fail.
And the prodigy mags are not the best they are 50 bucks for a reason…
If you want a faster tracking XC throw a 10/11lb spring in it!
THIS is the video I’ve been waiting for, thank you!
Had my Staccato P since early July. 12k rounds on it it has been 100% reliable. No light primer strikes, stove pipes, etc. I've owned the lot on striker guns. Glock, sig, smith, cz, walther etc. I don't recall any of them being 100% at that round count.
My Glock 19 has been 100% at a similar round count. My Sig P365 has FTE's all the friggin time. My Canik Rival has occasional light primer strikes but I did screw around with some trigger springs so I think that's on me because it didn't used to do that. I guess I'm gonna have to go back to the original springs.
I am getting a Walther PDP soon.
Did u ever run cheap ammo like 115gr practice ammo? I used brass on the last range day and had two stove pipes @ 100rounds! What about you?
@waltermooreiii3665 i would say 10k of thr 12k had been 124gr blazer brass. 2k has been a mix of 115gr blazer and 124gr browning. Then I have about 100 rounds of 147gr speer gold dot.
@armorers_wrench do yourself a favor and get the pdp pro. You can find them for only about 100 more than the og pdp. Definitely worth the money. I can shoot mine every bit as well as I can my Staccato P.
@armorers_wrench do yourself a favor and get the pdp pro. Def worth the extra money. I can shoot mine every bit as accurate as the P.
I’ve carried and shot an XC for a couple years now I will say they need a little more love than a Glock does and the flush fits sometimes get stuck in the mag well but never had issues with it. I love the accuracy, the feel, and the all steel frame
You actually have to use the magazines that were created for the gun for it too work properly lol. The proper way to hold a 1911/2011 is to ride your thumb on top of the thumb safety while shooting. Also if your pressing on the slide stop while shooting it will cause issues. You have to change your grip from a glock. The biggest issue appeared to be ammo related, i have the p and c2 never had a single issue
Watch again, we had new staccato mags too
Anyone know what Hat camera they are using around the 20:49 mark
***You are having problems with extractor tension for sure thus why you are having so many FTEs. There is a lot less case rim for the extractor to bite on 9mm as opposed to a 45 gun and the 1911/2011 just hasn't found a great way around this yet. Quick fix is to take the extractor out and bend it back to tension. Slide taken off the frame, the extractor tension alone should be able to hold a loaded 9mm round on the breach face perpendicular to the ground and rotated 360 degrees. The gun should also be able to eject a casing when fired without a magazine in it (so the gun doesnt lean on the follower tension to push the case up/out) Pretty well known issue in the 1911/2011 world but I totally agree. These guns are great in their own way just cannot hang with the simplicity of modern polymer 9's that were designed from the ground up with 9mm case dimensions in mind. I'm a huge 1911/2011 guy, just gotta accept you are dealing with 100+ year old concept regardless of single/double stack
I own a heritage, and I absolutely love the thing….smoothest shooting firearm I own. Staccato also emails me and checks in and also sent me a hat..they are pricey but buy once, cry once, smiles for life
Sir! we’ve never seen cope readings this high, they’re off the charts!
I’ve always had lots of light strikes with Winchester white box 9mm in a multitude of pistols from Glocks to m&ps and sigs. The primers are crap
I got a completely sideways smashed case right out of the box with wwb. Terrible qc.
10k in staccatos and buying shitty prodigy mags to save less than $150...
We had staccato mags too. But yes, the logic is questionable and people shouldn’t do it
@@TREXARMS I look at the Staccatos like expensive sports cars. They are more expensive to maintain and you have to use the right fuel for them.
White box is basically junk ammo. PMC or Blazer have both been way more reliable for me.
@ 10:00 "It's probably the gun not the ammo....White box 115"
I laughed so hard!
@@DanTheRageri wrote the comment before seeing that part, it was hilarious.
@@islas357 why throw it in there? If you have a staccato, you are not using white box… blazer, like you said, has not failed me.
Bro what pmc and blazer are underpowered what white box you buying i never had issues
@@mcnasty0322 Blazer 115 and 124 is all I shoot. I never had a issue in my P or Glock. White box isn't much cheaper than blazer and more consistent imo.
It would be interesting to have Stacatto look at these guns and diagnose why all the stoppages. Wouldn’t shock me if they reached out to you guys after seeing this.
We’ll be sending our gun in for sure. But usually gun companies don’t disclose stuff like that
Using poordigy mags
using shitty mags from a shitty company, in a gun that is known to not like said mags. weird.
I just bought your Nova belt and I love it. Can't wait for my sidecar holster to come in. Btw. I work 3rd shift and you always upload a super long video right before bed. 😂 love you brother keep doing your thing!
I never knew I needed to watch these videos until I started watching these videos. Thanks guys! Keep this format going.
Call it what you want, y'all officially just made a 2011 video. Everyone gets bit by the bug. Y'all were running those things too! What a great watch.
I’ve lost track of how many rounds I fired through my C2 limited without a single malfunction. Nothing crazy, but a couple thousand rounds, Both suppressed and comped. My XC had a couple malfunctions when it was brand new. But none since then. I do load my own ammo and load them a longer length than factory ammo. Not sure if that makes a difference.
Have you noticed any issues with accuracy or fitment issues on the C2 after thousands of rounds?
I own a Staccato P w/ DLC barrel manufactured in 2024. I’ve shot 3000 rounds (conservative on the numbers, it’s likely 3500+), 1000rds of blazer brass, 1000rds of Fiochi Range Dynamics, 1000rds of BPS and some STV. I’ve used staccato magazines and prodigy magazines(flush fit and 21 rd extended). I’ve experienced less than 10 malfunctions, all of which were light strikes. The pistol was cleaned and lubricated generously after every 250-300 rounds. This has been my experience, with a sample size of 1.
I own Glocks and Staccato’s. There is a reason my Glock leaves the safe everyday
because its smaller and lighter?
@@Rhetorical346 More reliable I guess
@@Rhetorical346 more reliable in dirty conditions and no beavertail to stab me when bending over
Cool story
@@BrooklynNick718 Because it's disposable.
This was fun to watch but you guys are absolutely correct, other stuff takes priority over a Gucci gun
Yep, they’re not “combat” pistols. But that’s okay… it’s okay to buy firearms for fun.
so, what is the purpose of this guns? if dont is competition, looks like to me they are combat or conceable guns, and if are the purpose, this pistols are pretty bad, and you're just making an excuse not to admit it.
You could definitely use it as a duty pistol--1911's have been carried for over a hundred years and they are known to be more finicky than modern striker guns. If you are aware of the pitfalls inherent in the platform you should be fine to carry one imo.
The biggest problem is something that I'm kinda shocked Staccato hasn't addressed--they have no mechanism to prevent over-insertion which can cause damage to the ejector quite easily. They could easily make it so over insertion is impossible but for whatever reason they didn't bother addressing the issue. Also, they may as well go with an external extractor. The 2011/1911 could be streamlined for modern manufacturing methods which would reduce the cost of manufacture and result in greater reliability but for some reason the current 2011 manufacturers don't bother. I don't understand it tbh. All they've done is widen the grip of a 1911 to accept a double stack mag...
There are some police departments that use them such as phoenix state patrol
@knx_-7114 don't believe the hype from this video. This is a video of 2 glock fan bois not use to the 1911/2011 platform.
Define "combat" pistol. Because the US military used 1911s for a long time and various units continued and may still continue to use modified 1911s.
I own a staccato p, before that? 1911 springfield and it is well known the 1911's do not like low grain ammo, under 120gr. Turns out my staccato doesn't either! Failure to extract at 100rounds! Just shoot 124gr or better with the 2011! You will thank me later! I wouldn't dream of running more than 400 rounds without cleaning mine to run more ammo through it! Gr8 content!
Is Mark Fry going to make an appearance with his Staccato?
I’ve got about 6000 rounds through my staccato p. It needed some tension on the extractor which I discovered around 500 rounds. No issues at all until very recently when it was failing to extract but I think there was just some carbon buildup on the extractor. Gave it a good cleaning and it hasn’t happened since. Gun is phenomenal. It’s my bedside pistol for a reason.
The USMS SOG is based where I live. I do biz and know a few personally. The Staccato loaded with 147gr Fed HST is their edc.
I heard after the whole fiasco has come to light that they aren’t drop safe, SOG had to give up their Staccatos. Can you confirm?
@@countryboy9546 2011s in general aren't drop safe. This alone logically shouldn't be the reason why they're dropping it, if they are that is.
@@s00-x2hI’m aware but cake eaters don’t know that. They hear not drop safe and suddenly it’s a waiting time bomb.
Im not Lucas known or Lucas good, but I had a P that I used in comps that I put at least 10k rounds through with maybe 2 failures. I currently use an XC, and I have next to no failures on 5k-6k on it. Maybe Im lucky, but mine have been phenomenal shooters and have sold several more through allowing friends and others to shoot them. People can say I haven't ran them hard enough or whatever they want, but I do several comps per month and practice in between. Just my experience and .02 with the two models I have owned. I would 100% buy them again no doubt in my mind. Im sure there are nicer/better out there but the XC is a monster and I love it. I carry the XC occasionally but I bought it more for the performance than as a carry piece. I typically run 124 nato through the XC.
They bent the ejector on the P by slamming the 27 round magazines in on a locked back slide causing the mag to over seat. If you only use the 17 or 20 round Staccato G3 magazines this is Not an issue because those mags prevent over inserting them and they cannot come in contact with the ejector. Their lack of knowledge of 2011s caused them to damage their gun and make it look like it was unreliable garbage. This was user error.
The issue with the P in the video isn't a mag issue, it's a extractor issue. Specifically the extractor slipping off the case because of a shitty spring or weak spring.
More likely they bent the ejector by over seating the 27 rounders on an open slide.
@@True_Patriotxthey didn't "overseat it", if it CAN travel that far its a design flaw.
@@garyandtricia1every single handgun with the exception of Glock can overseat a magazine and bend the extractor. That’s why you see all the other manufacturers running extended base plates or sleeves on the magazines. 2011s and other manufacturers use the baseplate as a stop for the magazine to prevent over insertion. Glock uses a ledge that is molded into the frame and magazine as a bump stop. That’s why you can ram a Glock magazine of any size into any size Glock without any issue. But you can’t do the same for other firearms without running the risk of over inserting the magazine and contacting the ejector.
@countryboy9546 nothing of what you said, changes what I said.
@@garyandtricia1true 2011/1911 shooters know to buy their mags to have baseplates which stop against the frame/magwell and act as an overinsertion stop. Thats the design. Everyone that shoots them also knows that extended mags such as these dont have that and reload while the slide is closed. 26rd mags are gamer mags and are treated as such. My 2011 i can jam my 17 and 20rd mags in the gun, locked back and have zero issues because i have the correct base plates. When i use the 26rd, i know to treat it differently. Its called not being a dumbass and learning my platform.
Trex should try the same test, but with the Tisas and MAC 2011s, which are 1/4 the price of the Staccatos. I suspect that the Tisas and MAC 2011s will have better reliability, less refinement, but a smaller price.
It is a really good analogy when people compare Glock to Honda and high end 2011 to Ferrari. The Honda is going to run for 30,000 plus miles with zero maintenance and work like it should every time where the Ferrari needs to be meticulously maintained to perform at its highest level. Also any shade tree mechanic can put some money and parts into their civic to make it preform better, but it takes a master technician to work on the Ferrari. All the talk about price but how many glocks has t.rex arms thrown enough parts in to make up the price difference between the glock and the staccato P. Also I bet the ejector in the P was damaged by them slamming home those giant 26 round mags on an empty chamber. Over insertion is a thing with the 1911 platform. Over 15 years of nothing but striker fired pistols thinking I would never switch to the double stack 1911 platform. Now I'll never go back.
Thanks for the spot on comment. The mix of trash durmag mags, shit Winchester ammo, and slamming mags and extended mags at that makes this whole demo a joke. Thought T Rex was into education and data, but didn't even bother to learn the proper manual of arms and isolate the factors to actually determine what failed.
So you are basically saying if you run the gun hard it stops working? Thats silly.
@@LVbibby So you are basically saying if you run the gun hard it stops working? Thats silly.
That's false. He went over his carry Glock configuration countless times. He barely mods them.
Hmm.. that’s an interesting take. I’ve shot an XL and XC for several years, including at Tactical Games as you mentioned, and I’ve never had a failure or malfunction with either one. I’ve never shot the P or CS, and I also stick to reliable factory ammo, mostly federal. I keep the guns clean and well lubricated, and that seems to be all that is necessary for them the reliably function for me. I can see why many departments have picked these up for duty use.
Same…my department has a lot of them and we do not have these issues
I think the gripe everyone has who doesn't own a staccato is the ones who do own one never shut up about their gun.
That's the same complaint I've heard from people about Glock fans.
@Jaslath Glock fanboys are annoying but you know what’s worse? Glock haters.
"It insists upon itself"- Peter Griffin talking about Staccatos, I think
Gotta flex!
And they talk more about their Staccato way more than they shoot it. Probably due to fear of clearing malfunctions in front of others.
As far as Glock fanboys go, Glocks have been backing up the talk hard for over 30 years. You may prefer another brand of whisky, but if you cant acknowledge that Glocks do their own talking, well, that is just a hater. Plain and simple
Bill drill at 6:34 mark. Not trying to tell you how to shoot because you are clearly efficient. First knuckle on your thumb on your firing hand put tension pushing back toward your face. This increases the rigidity in your wrist which “typically” will keep the muzzle down. I shot a bit when I was in the USMC and as an instructor in Quantico. Grouping like that I found was fixed using that method. Not a lot of tension just enough to get that big tendon to stand up
WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE JAUNDICE!?!?!?!?
As somone who owns a staccato, a m and p and a glock i felt this was a solid and realistic review. I'll always love to shoot my staccato even with its flaws.
Being a prior gunsmith at STI. Would not buy and STI or Staccato. Especially if I was wanting to trust my life to it.
I would like some more information/clarity.
Here's the more information. Buy a glock not a range toy to trust your life to.
@@John_439 Beat me to it! They keep the tolerances too tight and they don't like to play dirty.
You guys have to actually clean the gun every 1000 rounds. It's not a glock. I run 2011 a lot. With great power comes great responsibility. So make sure that you clean the gun. Also note that staccato is just an entry into the 2011 space.
It still didn’t work when it got wiped and oiled. So… yes but no.
My first Staccato I bought was a C2, I went to the range and started shooting it right away, it jammed on me after 80 rounds on some basic Winchester ammo I bought (I don’t remember the grain). Kept shooting, and it kept jamming every once in awhile. Went home, put a punch of lubricant on it’s required parts, hasn’t jammed ever again. 😊
“Striker Boys Confirm Bias”. Fixed the title for you.
There are plenty of hammer guns that aren’t unreliable pieces of shit bro.
This should have 5,000 more likes
Sounds like someone overpaid for a bad gun lol
The 1911/2011 platform is much more complicated than the striker fire guns. The 1911/2011 requires a good deal of familiarity with its internals and a willingness to tune and adjust it and maintain it to make it as reliable as possible. I think its more fair to say that there are those who want a simple reliable gun out of the box and those who want a finely tuned race gun that they are willing to adjust to keep running.
I own both....love both. Own 6 glocks and a P. FWIW, I had my Gen5 34 have its slide lock fail while shooting and had the slide completely depart the frame with less than 1K through it (all OEM internals). My P has been flawless. I've carried the 17, 34 and P on Duty. I trust, and like, both just fine...
I’ve had my original C2 now for 3 years. It’s ported and tuned and been eating everything I throw at it. Probably has 15K on it. I shoot the heck out of it. Run it outside every week. Do a lot of runNgun stuff. Has it failed before, yeah. Mostly magazine springs wearing out. Good mags and high power springs are essential. Needs to be taken care of like an AR. Wish you guys had the new C.
Has your C2 maintained accuracy after that many rounds?
@ yes it does! No loss of accuracy at all. Monsoon Tactical did the porting. It’s my favorite pistol and I would go to war with it. It’s been underwater, in dirt and everything in between. I’ve seen Glocks fail, all guns fail. These people and their opinions, take it for what it’s worth.
Definitely respect the video but from a neutral stand point you could sense the bias from the start of the video. When he said he wishes he had never bought his STI race run because he never shoots it. When you have already made up your mind about something, you will always exploit the cons over the pros. You do great work sir, thank you for the video.
Alright guys
2011’s have exposed ejectors. Unlike other handguns. If you slam a magazine into the weapon on slide lock, you damage the ejector. You did this on this video. Kind of thought you guys would know this. All weapons aren’t the same. They all run different. In competent hands, these are great pistols. If you “tactifudd” them like a Glock you will ruin them.
That expensive and so shitty
Wait a minute… oiled the barrel bushing on a Staccato P? I thought it was a bushing-less barrel system. (Bull barrel) 9:58
2 of these guns can get you some night vision instead.
I’ve gotten so many light strikes with Winchester ammo and that’s with all my handguns from Glock, sig, m&p, stacatto. Switched to cci and haven’t had any issues anymore.
Not sure how old the P is. Not sure if it was new when you got it. Not sure how many rounds have been through it. Not cleaned. Not using OEM mags.
Why should I care about this review again?
Coping P owner
@@plmkoo6772 I can see why you’d say that. It’s cheap and easy, probably like your gun collection. But objectively speaking, why would you ever give a fuck about a review of a firearm under those questionable conditions.
@@Blacksunlight7I have a rifle that costs 2 XC pistols. Cope lil boy. 2011’s are not worth the hype for all the bullshit “special tuning”
8:24 is that do to the spring in the mags not applying enough pressure up on the follower or to much pressure ?
What’s with the color grading?
When did Lucas decide to pickup a blaster from Star Wars at 37:18?
Any thoughts on doing a Stealth Arms Platapus review? A 2011 that takes glock mags.
I almost bought one yesterday 😂
Thanks for saving me money with this video.
I run my carry VP9sk in IDPA. I have fed it any kind of crappy ammo and great ammo, you can imagine, including my own underpowered reloads. Never a hiccup, it fkn runs. I will continue to trust my life on it.
I got a p30 n love it. Not the sk just the regular.
Neat....nobody cares
@ 👍🏻
I shoot my VP9skB better than anything in my case. Love that gun. Top 3. Ergos matter. Imo.
@@CookbookAdventures They definitely do!