Josh Pate On Ohio State Making HUGE Portal Moves (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубликовано: 21 янв 2024
- Ohio State and Ryan Day have made huge moves in the Transfer Portal by landing Caleb Downs and Julian Sayin from Alabama just this week alone. On Late Kick Live Ep 476 Josh Pate shared his biggest takeaways from the vibe around Columbus and the changes that could be coming in the future for the Buckeye program. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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OSU really gave everyone a two year headstart in NIL 😂😂😂
It's not like they don't always recruit in the top 5. They didn't jump from 30 up to 2.
So did Georgia 🤷🏾♂️
@@mackdaddypeypey1If the SEC wanted to play super roster moneyball, they better be ready for when other legacy programs follow suit
They already do...
Ohio state has been paying its players under the table for years. They just didn't want to do it through the n. I. L. Because then you have no control over the person or the money. When you do it illegally under the table you have full control over that person
Alot of yall clearly dont pay attention to detail. OSU's NIL went mostly towards retaining draft eligible players to stay in school and they filled key needs with the portal. They didnt sign 15 portal kids like Ole Miss (talk about hypocrisy). This was supposed to be the intention of NIL in the first place. Yall had no problem dunking on OSU when their NIL game was trash but now yall hatin because they are doing it well.
The 13 million INCLUDES bringing back 11 starters from last year, plus recruiting HS plus the portal. BTW, OSU has ONLY brought in 6 portal guys. SIX. They lost 15+.
15+ players that were basically non-starters.
Love him or hate him, Ryan Day is COOKIN in this offseason. Looks like he finally got the kick in the ass he so desparately needed. Will be interesting to see how that crowded QB room plays out.
😂 Michigan 3 -0 vs Ohio State
More then likely, the competition this year will be between Howard and Kienholz, with Howard winning the job and Kienholz the backup. Noland and Sayin probably redshirts, with some playtime, but not a lot. Devin Brown is sadly the odd one out most likely, he's just too injury prone and I wouldn't be shocked if he transferred during the spring.
Means nothing if Ryan Day doesn’t change his philosophy. From a talent perspective, OSU has never been lacking. Since 2019 they’ve had some of the best players you could ask for. And had the programs most potent passer for 2 years, with the greatest WR room ever. Yet they continue to fail on the national stage. And it’s come down to poor decision making in the biggest moments. Day has to take a look in the mirror if anything is going to change.
@@SW-bn7ch6-19
@@SW-bn7chuntil two of those are vacated.
Josh, this was an incredible segment. Fantastic. Truly. Saying the things that need to be said.
Well, Zach Smith rightly said on his show "Schott needs to open up a bag". Maybe 10 days ago. Someone did.
Ryan Day became a shopper at Bama
Just like when Bama got Jameson Williams, etc from OSU. And nobody retired.
Saban Mart
Y'all got 3 BAMA players that have at least 2-4yrs of eligibility - Downs has 2yrs before he can go pro. Julian hasn't even played college fb yet. Seth McLaughlin 1-2yrs. BAMA got Jamo with with possibility of 2yrs, but went pro after 1yr.
Big difference there bucky
Jamison Williams return the favor
@@SoopologyBama got Williams because he could not crack the starting line up at OSU
If 5-stars equated to national championships, Jimbo and Co would be going for a Texas A&M three-peat in 2024. They've still gotta coach 'em up.
That’s one team, look at the past national champs except the urine and blue, 5 stars and 4 stars win titles
@@kevinchavis2755shhhh that doesn’t fit their narratives 😂
@@kevinchavis2755Lmao urine and blue 😂
😂let me know when Ohio, gets a coach 😂pleeease
@@kevinchavis2755 You missed the "still gotta coach 'em up" part...those teams were VERY well coached. Ryan Day isn't that guy.....sucknuts fans know this deep down.
I think in the long-term we will see a financial structure similar to the NFL with a Salary Cap so that all the schools can compete. Having a Salary cap will also ensure the best players spread out to different teams just like the NFL.
That in no way ensure _all_ teams can compete.
There cannot be a salary cap until there are both salaries and CFB student-athlete employees. This might take a while. But, like you, I see it in the long term. What I don’t see is any cap on the amount of money a NCAA student-athlete can secure in NIL.
It’s impossible to put a salary cap on these schools they all make different amounts it’s just an impossible task
Love this video, great analysis Josh!
I wonder how it works with Noland and Sayin? One of those guys is gonna bolt within a year.
Yep most definitely. Devin brown and kieholz more than likely gone as well
Nick Saban did a lighter version of this. I think you could possibly be looking at the best CFB team of all time. We shall see how it shakes out. Nobody has ever Recruited/portaled like this before though.
🏆 coming to Columbus
Yeah because you’re buying the trophy
@@davidheaton6206 completely legal , if y'all wasn't on food stamps so would you !!! Better than stealing signs 😉☢️
It's a problem when Ohio State do it but nobody says nothing when others do it..... Stop complaining and get y'all money up
@@chrisaustin22 Exactly It was fine when A &M had all the Talent rolling in ,MiA on and on !!! We coming for it ALL
@@davidheaton6206That's the BS narrative now😂😂😂😂SEC has been doing it illegally for decades! We do it legally and its a problem🤷🏾♂️! Go ask Cam Newton, we do not care! Keyshawn Johnson and Shannon Sharpe admitted to getting paid!
Michigan did it on the cheap... and lots of time invested. (2)5 stars in mccarthy and Johnson
It’s about time we started using NIL
We were too proud and too ethical to even consider it but there’s no kidding anyone anymore, this is the new name of competition and the Buckeyes are here to compete.
Would could end up playing Oregon 3 times this season thats crazy
Needs to be...put a cap on it so the playing field is even ✌🏿
Coach Perry Eliano was at UTSA under Coker from 2011-2015. He can coach DBs!
Love the moves! Go Buckeyes!!!
Pressure is on, imagine if they STILL lose to Michigan 😅
Be sad since Michigan lost so many players possibly coaches as well 🤣
Michigan is back to mediocre lol. Michigan does this and builds a generational team once every 20 years lol. They just don't recruit at the same level to reload every year. The next decade will be like 2010-2020. Michigan will randomly win 1 game in the next decade
Michigan will be 7 and 5 or 8 and 4 at very best.
@@MacaroniCeroni- Every 20 years? Try every 76 years
We lose to Michigan again Ryan Day need to be Tared and feathered in shame. Lol
OSU writers have always reported we were behind in NIL because of Gene Smith. With his nearing retirement, we have decided to go all in. A few years ago when we still were playing backseat in NIL it was also said once OSU does get into the game that is when things will change. OSU has the largest fanbase in the nation, has the largest alumni base in the nation, and is in a major metro with a rapidly growing economy and population base. Only a few teams also fit this bill nationwide. We are just doing what southern teams have been doing forever, but we have deeper pockets so they will complain and try and get rule changes passed.
I’m with Josh with his last point
Buckeyes are a top 2 or 3 program from a history standpoint… then you throw in a huge metropolitan area with a lot of money. Columbus is Ohio State football. The money is virtually bottomless
State is not a top three program it's that simple. You can't cheat pay your players when no one else could and call yourself a top three program
@@ronniecee2532they r one of the greatest programs in the history of the sport no matter how much u cry about it
The pressure is obviously there, but the people saying he should be fired if he doesn't win it all are nuts.. if they irrationally fired him there could possibly be a mass exodus like what Alabama is currently experiencing, nobody wants that.. I believe in Coach Day, he runs a great program and he'll just get better at everything with more experience..
As a Michigan fan I say he probably doesn’t face much chance of being fired until they have a season with less than ten wins and a loss to Michigan but until the. He will be there unless he gets to 10 straight losses to Michigan without winning the natty
😂
Under Day, Ohio State loses to Michigan, doesn’t win the Big 10, doesn’t win a national title, and has a losing record in the playoff. Ohio Stare won’t put up with that much longer
Early number 1 on the JP Poll
OSU retained 9 of their own players who were eligible for the NFL draft, that was huge and cost millions.
Ohio State has a top 3 class coming in key starters coming back and got 2 of the best players in the entire SEC in the portal😂
GA still ranked No1 next season
@@SW-bn7ch they were ranked number 1 last year and did they win? Nope
@@SW-bn7chthat was before all these transfers. It could easily change after they see what Ohio state has, besides it’s not how you start..it’s how you finish. Go Bucks!
Pressure is a privilege. Just one building block at a time. One win at a time. 🗣️⭕️🙌🏼
Y’all look SO desperate. Good luck tho
@@mackdaddypeypey1you sound salty, your team can’t afford talent?
Ohio State is paying well
That's what money do
Ask Jimbo Fisher what having a roster full of 5✨does for you if you still don’t know how to coach and utilize them.
Comparing Ryan day to 2020’s jimbo fisher is laughable
Exactly!!! If not, he'd be going for a three-peat in 2024.
Stop with the bs comparison. Last I checked Ryan day wasn't losing 5 games a year
Jimbo loses more per season than Day loses in 4 years
Ohio State spent their money bringing back draft eligible players, they already have coached most of these guys up, but sure they have to coach Downs, Judkins, Howard & Sayin
good luck
I don't know if this is a sleeping giant situation or not but I'm pretty sure texas and ohio state are maybe the only ones who can foot the bill for this every year. So if this strategy works and if the nil or transfer portal rules don't change I have a feeling that ohio state will become the school everyone wants to go to. If you want to get paid, and win a natty go to ohio state. And I have a feeling texas will be right behind them.
There are 4 teams with a legitimate chance to win it all next year: Georgia, Buckeyes, Texas and Oregon.
Ole miss?
@@Ellen-cb6qeHahahahahahahahahahhaha!!!!!
@Youngboss 1024..Sounds about right... they'll be joined by 8 others vying to shock the 🌎 as well. Whose The Oregon QB going 2B?
Debour is 3-0 vs Lanning. Lame ducks
*12* teams... 3 from the SEC
Good luck to the Big18 & Mid12 😂
The Crimson bullets
You're missing the other piece of the "why now". This is a timing opportunity. How many times is someone like Saban gonna retire and have a ton of blue chip players on the market like this? If you're going to hit the NIL market with a sledge hammer, this is the time to do it. And these are the players to do it with - elite prospects that OSU also recruited. It's a bold, but incredibly calculated NIL move.
I’m playin with this team on ncaa 14 with the updated rosters and yeah this defense is nasty
Better to get players through the portal than signs from Connor Stalions.
Some go to work. Others decide to cheat.
😂pleeease 😂
Better the be the best team in early January, than the the best team in early August. Btw it has been 1514 days since ohio state has beaten Michigan
@@DaveM-jf7ge 4 is coming up
@@DaveM-jf7ge Lol! Michigan fans a few years ago were like 'michigan state is our biggest rival', lol. That's because you hadn't beaten OSU in 8 years.
It is insane fans have to donate money for nil while the colleges make 100s of millions of dollars and they beg the fans to donate. I would never donate a dollar for any nil fund . I pay for tickets and merchandise. The colleges should be paying these players
This is exactly why I have been saying we need a 20 team super conference. In my opinion there is only about 20 teams who will every year spend 15-20 million on players and lose then get angry and reload for the next season and another 15-20 million.
Two big pick ups, but it results on the field is what matters
Coming soon to Columbus..... Mr "KO" Keon Keeley!!!! Booom coming!!!
Offseason champs for sure. Hang the banner.
Best college team money can buy!!!!
Imagine if Michigan recruited 5 and high 4 stars, Paid NIL, didn’t have GPA and Admission restrictions, they’d win a national championship
Watch out for the NCAA to make some shit up!😂
I am so fucking pissed about Ohio State giving up a King's ransom for Julian Sayin!
It’s time to add a salary cap to the NCAA.
None of this is surprising, but does it hold?
It didn't work out very well for Texas A&M.
By the beginning of year 3 after their #1 recruiting call over 80%?? were gone. A large majority I read anyway.
Spend that money
add a salary cap ASAP!!!
Well, I don’t know about “Legally getting these players”
Good for them, we will continue to develop players here at the University of Michigan.
Enjoy the ban y'all coach just left for NFL
@@kobrathadon4956 If it helps you sleep better at night. GO BLUE!!
13 million per year for Ohio State. How much does Lane Kiffin and 2 staff members make per year?
2024: The Birth of Dayth Vader
Like the man said the nil did this not Ryan Day
Ryan Day is quietly on the hot seat. With the returning talent, the money spent on the portal class, and the recruiting class considered... if OSU doesn't win it all, then there is a coaching problem. That said, I don't like how it appears a program can buy a title. I think this will ultimately separate the top tier schools from lesser known schools even further.
They do this every year, stars don’t mean anything. Culture wins championships.
College football is gross right now. All of this stuff is so far out of control it has made the game unrecognizable.
Yeah. Ryan Day is cooking. Sure. If you mean OSU is stroking checks..then yeah. The NIL and portal is slimey.
If you’ve got the money, everything is on the table nowadays. Everyone has a price. College football is just a numbers game
This is ridiculous. Just buying players left and right. So many programs sniping other programs' talent. And they aren't even using the university's money to do it????? They are using random fans' money and alumni' money???? How is this even legal? It shouldn't be. Can't wait for those changes Josh. Can't wait.
Ohio State does this (something that some other teams have been doing) now that the rules allow it, and suddenly it's a problem and you're sad. 🤣🤣🤣
@@lawsonlipford-cruz7922u don’t understand, when the SEC does it they’ll say “I don’t like it but that’s how the game is played & we came to win.” Then when Ohio State rolls in suddenly its “woah this has gotten outta hand, we need to regulate the playing field” 😂
@@lawsonlipford-cruz7922 The rules SHOULDN'T HAVE EVER BEEN CHANGED. I don't care if it's Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Texas, Michigan, Oregon, or USC. I didn't say anything about just Ohio State anyways. All programs doing this is ridiculous and wrong. Just because a rule gets changed doesn't mean it's right. I know the culture we live in believes in relative truth... But I believe in absolute truth. Someone out there IS WRONG. Period. Not everything and everyone is right.
Ohio State is always on fire in the off-season. Then they run up against Michigan and get snuffed. High end elite talent alone is not enough.
Ya pretty sure we do this every year jus get the best player in the portal the best RB in the sec like its nothing
What are you expect him to do? Cancel the season to get extra practices then cheat multiple times. Get two back to back easy schedules just to win two or three times. 😂
@@dennisasmith1230 well said loser! LOL
My biggest fear is are these kids with all this money going to listen to coaches or want to go to class anymore!
Ryan Day said in a publicized fundraiser that it would take $13 million a year to build, maintain and retain talent, before the 2021 season. It seems odd that a coach is saying $8 million dollars today.
Yeah, what he forgot to mention is it will also take better coaching
Game on Come April. Alabama will be coming for your good players. You can bet on it.
Oh so they will be tampering? Cause you can’t contact players that aren’t in the portal. So how would they come for anyone? Bama has had 9 players transfer to Ohio state over the years Ohio State to Bama 1
Rollover Tide!!!
Why tf you mad at ohio state? Those players all chose to leave. Ohio state didn't make them leave. I should be real pissed then from all the guys bamas actually taken from ohio state. Just can't stand when it happens to you
Quarterback: Will Howard, Julian Sayin, Air Noland
Wide receiver: Emeka Egbuka, Carnell Tate, Brandon Iniss, Jeremiah Smith, Jayden Ballard
Running back: Quinshon Judkins, Treveyon Henderson, Dallan Hayden
I won’t even mention the defense because then Michigan fans will start crying
Please name those soft defenders Michigan runs all over...
Haha, hope posts are the best
Air might ask for a release, or transfer after a year.
Missed devin brown and kienholz they were high rated recruits
Air Noland and Innis are transferring.
Caleb Downs Position: Safety as fuck
Dolt
I am so curious about the $$$$ source. Dig that one up ….
Ohio St’s main source of NIL funding comes from their 1870 Society which is a collective membership of businesses and fans.
@@benvmiller I wondered about the Russian Oligarch that is so invested in Ohio?
@@lynnwilliams5432 Wtf are you talking about?? The NIL funding is almost strictly from donations made by businesses and fans.
Only 3 teams play football in the Big 20 and you just added 2 of them.
It’s not legal to offer money directly.
NIL is meant for players to earn money of THEIR OWN IMAGE, NAME, and LIKENESS.
Like coming up with a Slogan or what that sellout Isiah Bond did with 007
Gene smith was holding us back. New AD. New President. New OSU.
Eh they got a backup rb that ole miss kicked out. They got a center that bams ran off. They got a qb who's stat line is worse that Kyle Mccords and ranks 15 spots below McCord in qbr. They got Julian sayin who's unproven but looks promising and then Caleb downs who's definitely a bright spot
If Ole Miss doesn’t want the best back in the SEC Ohio will gladly take him. Howard was always trying to throw KSU in games. Now he doesn’t need to do it all & that will improve his stats, the question is how much
@@anthonytitone idk I mean quinshon is rly gd but there's a reason kiffin let him go 🤷🏾♂️. And talent has never been the problem w OSU it's mostly Ryan day who struck out again by hiring bill obrian
@@lifeislikeaboxofchocolates5383 Kiffin let him go cause he couldn’t keep him, Judkins would rather be the backup back at Ohio State than Ole Miss & Ohio State will have one of the best backfields in the country because of it. Their problem hasn’t been with Day it’s just been about putting all the pieces together in the same season, their offense was great but the defense was bad, then their defense was great but the offense wasn’t good. If they can patch a few extra holes each year they’ll b fine & this year will all depend on how Howard looks. Also Day will always be in charge of the offensive scheme, Bill isn’t coming in to run the Patriots offense
@@anthonytitone no 💀. If Q wanted to leave he would've done it last year when his value was higher. But he stayed and then played in the bowl game. The reason Q is no longer on ole miss is bc he wanted to be the highest paid player on the team while averaging less ypc than the backup. And being 120th in the country in ypc. And why even bring in an oc that was basically fired from bama and the patriots day needs to be a HC and hire an actual OC 💀
@@lifeislikeaboxofchocolates5383 what u said still means that he wanted to leave, he didn’t want to last year & did want to this year & it will improve Ohio State’s run game no matter how much u try to obscure it.😂 Day is the real OC, Bill will run Day’s system, Day just wanted another veteran voice in the room on offense since most of the staff is young
The school will make a billion in merch and ticket sales..13 mil is nothing
Ohio $$$$tate
Josh hmu when you can
SEC has been paying players for years now everyone can.
🅾️🙌🏾baby just hope it all comes together and end the way we expect it to🏆
😂pleeease 😂
It wasn’t nearly as big as the SEC team’s 6 transfer guys compared to 16-20 for Ole Miss,Miss St, etc. It’s cool when they do it, it’s a problem when they do it. 😂😂😂😂
I think what we all love about Kiffin are all the stupid statements that he makes and this one didn't disappoint.
Ohio state has the biggest fan base in the nation what did you expect if you have a lot of money to spend spend it
I'm guessing thei'll have a half dozen guys transfer out after spring ball.
happens every year at most big programs!!
@@garywascovich8436no it doesn’t
Yup, that’s when they kind of start to figure out who’s gonna be the starting players.
And when it happens…Michigan fans be like: “LMAO Michigan broke OSU so bad their players are leaving!!!!”
Will Day get fired if they don't win the B10 after this year?
Ryan Day is doing what every elite team has been doing. It's just business. And these schools that can't compete, so what. Michigan did it to retain all of the players that came back, Ohio St. just took it to another level. Anybody that's complaining how they did it, stop hating.
The NCAA picked bamas locker room clean smh.
They’re all getting bought to come play there this year. If OSU doesn’t win it all, they will have more departures than Bama did when Saban retired.
Keep dreaming lol Ohio state is a semifinal finishing team bare minimum already and probably winning the national championship, none of those young guys are going anywhere if they finish semifinals or in the natty 😭😭
Hopefully Day will stay away from calling plays. Those sideline passes that never work are gone!
With the largest fan and alumni base in all of college football, no one has the ability to hang with Ohio State in this manner.
The Buckeyes were recovering this past year still from being played like a fiddle😮 by Quinn Ewers.
Now, it is an entirely different story for '24.
Ohio St won the first playoff .
They will win the first 12 team playoff
Facts
But who Dey play josh
Ohio Paying for championships 13 million And that was before the transfer portal additions. So other Teams are going to have to pay to get the top players these players arent stupid and wanna get paid like M_.And you cant Blame them i would get all i could also. Texas Rb Robinson got LAMBO and cash for NIL deal.
Good football teams and culture are built on meritocracy. Ohio State is paying players that haven’t played a snap in the Shoe more those players that have earned it through hard work, blood, sweat and tears. That can’t be a good reflection on the ideology of that program. New players are essentially robbing the current players of all the work they put in. SMH
Still need a coach
2024 QB room is almost a mini combine to get drafted to 1 team lol, assuming will howard is the starter theyre pretty much all competing for 2025 starting job, unless he gets beat out by one of them
Money talks!
SEC and Big 10 leave the NCAA and form a football conference.
To me NONE of what Ohio St is doing right now in the transfer portal means nothing. You can stack all the 5 stars you want on one team but only 11 people are on the field at a time. The NIL has given a lot of meaningless recruiting numbers and portal additions and subtractions. Just because you have the #1 recruiting class means nothing and just because you spend a lot of money players doesn’t mean that player is committed. Hell Miami spent a lot last season and look what happened. Hell they lost majority of the SAME players they purchased last year to the portal this year to the same portal, 😆.
Right, getting a starting quarterback, a top 10 running back that will split carries with another top 10 runningback, a starting offensive lineman and tight end, and a starting safety that was a top 5 defensive player in college football as a true freshman will do absolutely NOTHING 🤦♂️😭
😂. Having the number one recruiting class absolutely matters. There’s a direct correlation between recruiting at a high level and winning championships.
Lavar Arrington was 100% right when talking about Penn State losing to Michigan and Ohio st every year. If they wanna compete with those 2 teams, the school needs to give them more money. The fact of the matter is, teams like OSU Michigan and Alabama put a lot more money into their football programs and if you want to be on that level you gotta pay to be on that level. Unfortunately OSU and Michigan have a lot more big money donors compared to most schools.
Bro, that's a double-negative, lol.
@@logankistler8706 it doesn’t….. Bama, OSU, Clemson, GA, Oregon, USC, A&M, LSU, Michigan, and etc always had that. Out of that list only 2 - 3 can say they’ve maintained some sort of repeated national championship success with what they had. What’s different now besides paying for an investment with question mark results?
Talk about a seat too hot to sit in, if Day cannot get it done this season...
NIL is such a cancer to college. No way should one team be able to drop 13-20million on portal and recruits. There are so many other issues but that’s wild to me for 18 and 19 year old kids who haven’t even gotten a chance to prove themselves
100% agree. Even top tier law firms don't pay unproven ivy league school grads what they are paying 18 year old kids, many of whom have never played a down of college football. It is all just insanity.
That’s not Ohio state, they’re now Alabama light 👎🏾
None of this matters as long as Ryan Day is at the helm. They gave him an ultimatum for his last year.