Beethoven: 3rd Symphony "Eroica" - Celibidache
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Beethoven: Symphony n.3 "Eroica"
Munchner Philharmoniker
Sergiu Celibidache (1996)
Last Beethoven!!! For me, one of the most impressive and emotive concerts in my live.
No words can sufficiently express his musical genius and greatness. The one and only true master--Celibidache!!
u mean...Beethoven!
@@gioragoldberg3980 And you mean... Both
This is one of the most impressive performances I have ever listened to.
Celi’s Eroica is one of my most favorite performances. So deep so expressive so attractive.
No doubt , the best “Marcia funebre “ I have ever listened . Celibidache is great and understands what sublimity means
Wise. Profound. When you listen to this rendition of Eroica, you get close to the real meaning of the word "symphony". Every detail, even the most subordinate or minor one can be heard with such a polyphonic clarity. An interpretation of a true Master!
Very well said--eloquently.
What a shame that he didn't succeed Furtwängler in the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra. Karajan worshipped the polished sound, whereas Celibidache focused on a sincere rendition of the score, never sentimental or "etherically esthetic. Just great (as was Otto Klemperer !!)
@@rubensiedner4584 but here is such a slow tempo
@@pianotaal do you prefer beauty over tempos? Or do you prefer a well done beautiful performance at a slow tempo?
@@sebastian9445 Tempo determines the mood of the piece, even if a piece is played beautifully, if it can't express what the composer intended, then I think there's something missing.
The most amazingly mindbogling interpretation of this piece, ever! the exceptional Celibidache with the Munchner Philarmoniker, again!
Celibidache should have inherited Furtwängler's Post at the Berlin Philharmonic instead of the neatly overpolished soundmaker Karajan.
@@rubensiedner4584 I agree. But Celibidache, while brilliant (and in my opinion overall better, more creative, thank Karajan) was a difficult and demanding conductor, even when he was young. And the Berliner Philarmoniker were a bit like Real Madrid, where the players often choose the coach. After working with Celibidache for a few years - while Furchtwengler was being ”cleaned-up”, ”gereinigt”, verputzed, from his connections with the Nazi regime - they probably realised they have to work very hard with a very idiosyncratic conductor, and an extremely hard task master. When Celibidache guest-conducted the London Philharmonic, the players did not fancy the long rehearsal times, and the fact that once, he forced the double-bass to tune their instruments for 20 minutes, as Celibidache was not happy with the sound - they did not gell, to his demanding ear.
So... von Karajan might have been the safer alternative - and we will never know, sadly, what BPO might have achieved with Celibidache. We do know that Munchen Symphony, an ordinary orchestra before Celibidache, became, during his time there, world class - along with BPO, Cleveland etc.
Interestingly enough, for trivia buffs, von Karajan had an Aromanian ancestor, his great-great-great grandfather Gheorghe Caraiani (grecicised to Georgios Caraiannis), in the village of Cojani (grecicised to Kozani), from the province of Rumelia, now in Greece - which had, in the XIX century a thriving Aromanian community.
So... there is a connection, albeit tenuous, between Celibidache (Romanian) and von Karajan, who had some Aromanian blood, as well as the name, through his father.
Actually Leo Borchard had inherited Furtwanglers orchestra, and the orchestra and him were on very good terms, when he was mistakenly shot by an American checkpoint guard over a misunderstanding! He was in his 40s, so if he had lived Karajan and Celibidache would probably have ended up somewhere else! There is one CD of recordings from his short time there.
I adore Eroica💙💙💙Maestro Celibidache is one of my the most favorite conductors and it performance is powerful beauty💙💙💙
@Luigi Raimondo Pomo Ciao luigi...Karajan is a conductor whom I adore,for me,he is above all,my o b s e ss i o n!His role models were Furtwangler ,when you don t like,Toscanini too...I love them.On my liste of favorites are the phenomenal maestro Abbado,Bernstein,Mravinsky,Svetlanov,Celibidache is a genius conductor,primarily when conducts Bruckner...For me,Eroica is monumental work,symphony that I love the most and I admire endlessly Karajan s performance...He is unsurpassed...His adagio assai is so sublime,phenomenal,the best,I have listened to countless times.Karajan I listen every day,his art occupies a special place in my life...
@@ljiljanastanic9076 try Stokowski!! For me, the finest conductor of all times!!
Guessing you haven't heard Furtwanglers wartime recordings!
@@f.w.2054 You didn't guess...Furtwangler's Eroica from
1944.is a phenomenal performance,one of a greatest ever,that,after Karajan's interpretation I love the most💜💜💜
The greatest symphony ever composed!
Played by the greatest conductor!!
Symphony 7 is even greater
Not at all. :)
Verry beautifull simphony! Thank's to mr Celibidache!
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Celibidache este nemuritor! Mulțumim cerului pentru acest dar!
Este uimitor,ceva ce nu se poate mai mult.
Sunt perfect de acord cu Dvs!
It's nice to hear a rendition in a more moderate tempo. Bravo, Sergiu.
This man's music is an absolute delight. Nice photo too. He nearly had a haircut! Can't get better. Thank you.
Erstaunlich, großartig, echt episch! Die schönste Eroica, die ich je gehört habe!!
Simfonia a III a de Beethoven este introducerea mea în lumea minunată a muzicii clasice ! Sergiu Celibidache, artist de geniu care a reprezentat atât de frumos România pe marile scene ale lumii.
Que complemento ideal !!! Beethoven , la sinfonía n°3 y el Maestro Celibidache !!!....
You can practically feel the anguish and doubt Beethoven pours out, never knowing if lightness will triumph until the very end.
A simply amazing performance. Played with remarkable clarity, a place for every note and every note in its place. Wonderful of Sergeiu to not try and make it a speed competition!
He would certainly have felt anguish if he could have heard this performance.
Erikeever....you must be referring to Gardiner, who races through the funeral march like he's John Williams!
clarity like the spring water , amazing, celibidache is on another level
Ezekkel a tempokkal ez egy igazi, monumentális Eroica!Sergiu egy zseni volt!♥️♥️♥️
Un Adagio Assai di rara intensità, un evento unico quasi fosse una "diretta", una "non riproduzione", come sarebbe piaciuto, si fa per dire, al Maestro.
L'elemento tragico umano si fonde alla storia, ma come fattore introspettivo. Sono il caos e il destino come evento interiore, mentre con Furtwangler si ascolta l'evento cosmico, la Storia come Fenomeno. Ma la precisione del dettaglio e la sinuosità musicale delle linee sono la firma dal pennello saldissimo di Celibidache, una traduzione indelebile del mondo di Beethoven.
Oh boy, what a masterpiece!
Absolutely thrilling. Comes close to Otto Klemperer due to the honest sound of the magnificent orchestra and the constant pace of the conductor. Very clear musical lines. One can read the score without seeing it. Beautiful !!
Hm, this version sounds much more convincing. I have heard of Klemperer's celebrated mono Eroica, frankly don't understand the hype behind it.
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Breathtaking performance. Full stop. May your memory be off a blessing for the awe and exultation you permitted us to feel, for elevation of our souls. You revealed presence of G-d.
For my one of the most incredible interpretation of Beethoven Eroica, slowly for my taste and way to listen and play the music,but doesn't care, maestro Celebidache bring us the opportunity to enjoy this masterpiece in another dimension with a incredible sense of pain in the second movement,and at the same time freedom,just amazing, Beethoven, Celebidache and Muncher Philarmonic
Sublime, merci infiniment. Sergiu♥🎶
So good pure dedication to brilliance....many thanks.
Fantástico! Celibidache faz com que sintamos a música, não é apenas instrumentos e notas, é vida.
extraordinaire quel orchestre ! les cuivres!!!
(KOREA) THANKS... The most amazingly mindbogling interpretation of this piece, ever!
Hermosa sinfonía y excelente versión
Extraordinaire ! Merci infiniment !
Sofronichrist....don't know if Vladimir is Jesus, but Richter and Gilels called him a God!
@@f.w.2054 Yes !
I remember my childhood
lol
Excellent conductor , excellent sound quality . Thank you !
❤ danke
In my opinion, so far, the best recorded third.
The idiosyncratic slower tempo and ability to parse nuances and tones separates Celibidache's interpretation from those of other Maestros.
Thanks fore sharing
Thank you!
Maestro grande. He drives it to the extremes. 10 Minutes plus to Karajan. Thats really something, and it is a grand experience to listen to one of Celis rare recordings. He exhausts the full potential of this best of all symphonies ever composed by any master.
Not Eroica, but Cosmic (especially the 2nd movt. Abysmal.) in Celi's hands with the intensity as if it went under the usual 45 minutes.
Celi The Magician that distorts(moulds) time & space, disregarding (or befriending) Einstein here.
second-rated conductors worth a penny would definitely not be able to hold water with it over 60 minutes & goes slack.
In his top form, actually much better than the one from 1987 on EMI with the brass blunder seconds into the introduction, to begin with.
somehow we're lucky he made it on time the year he died, we aren't even hearing 1/10th of what Celi meant there. I wish I had attended the performance.
its uniqueness has gone into thin air.
Sin duda es algo genial... Cuando un musico moderno mira una partitura lo que ve es metrónomo, equilibrios del volúmen, intencidad, fuerza, pero cuando un genio ve una partitura mira emociones, la marcha funebre siempre crei que era una pieza triste y ya... Pero aqui es una oda a la vida, todas las emociones que teanscurren en una vida ... Para el musico moderno dirigir es bajar un archivo midi y equilibrar los timbres y volumenes y mantener el tempo de la orquesta, pero cuando le exiges a
Un director de s gunda que interprete, que use a la orquesta como medio de expresión no pueden, no saben...
Perfect!
Even though this is a slower tempo than is common, it is still an amazing performance, and may be because of this slower tempo.
Yes, we hear everything as a result--all the music there is.
Didn't know David Lynch conducted Beethoven.
LOL
Thank you. The best Eroica ever. Would you kindly tell what cd is it from?
Amazing performance, but personnaly I have a little preference for Furtwangler in this piece: a bit of further momentum.
But the both are very great and a bit close in their view.
I think that Celibidache could be a Furtwangler's successor at Berlin in the 50's, but Karajan (more pragmatic) succeeded !
Celibidache, con le sue miracolose dilatazioni, va fuori tempo oppure no. Chiedo risposta da uno o più tecnici della musica.
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Listening this, nobody could know that the orchestration is exactly the same that the 2nd's
Esta interpretação leva a crer que Napoleão Bonaparte nunca passou de um pacato notário de alguma cidadezinha sonolenta do interior da França, cujo maior orgulho eram os sonetos que compunha e jamais publicava.
この録音いいですね😊
Me olvidaba " La filarmónica de Munich "!!!...
堂々とした音です。
The slowest Celebidache Marcia Funèbre ever recorded? Slower than any at the end of the career of Klemperer, or Knappertsbusch or Schuricht or Giulini or Bernstein?
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Nice tempo
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Good afternoon, Graphenediol. I did not know this recording of Celibidache. It has left me amazed. Is it possible to get it on CD?
Thank you very much.
I have it. It was issued by the long gone Meteor, the US bootleg that claims it is DDD(!!), then (1997 or around) easily available in, at least, Japan.
Beware, not the 1987 analog performance on EMI.
why not browse second-hand markets in Japan as some Meteor CDs are still out there. Green-labeled is the word... Good luck.
@@user-ye8cp9uj6o Thank you very much for your interest and advice. I have searched the METEOR catalogue, and I have not found this recording of the "Eroica" symphony from 1996, although I have found others that were recorded in Stuttgart or Munich (year 1987).
I will keep looking.
ah, not meteor, but A U D I O R the green-labeled, excuse me. His bruckner 8 from 1994 in Lisbon is the forbidden fruit too (this also says DDD) by AUDIOR. you'll find it up here on youtube. ciao.
@@user-ye8cp9uj6o Good afternoon. Now I think I have located the disk on this page:
auctions.yahoo.co.jp/closedsearch/closedsearch/%E3%83%81%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AA%E3%83%93%E3%83%80%E3%83%83%E3%82%B1%20audior/0/
However, the duration of the symphony's movements does not coincide with the recording of RUclips.
In any case, I think I will not be able to buy it, because the whole page is in Japanese, and my online translations do not clarify enough for me.
If I pay you all the costs, could you send me a CD copy of this Celibidache/Eroica/1996 recording?
Thanks for your kind explanations.
I am very sorry, Frederico, I cannot send my copy of it (page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/l353417728 ) as it is THE reference, for me a bit above Furtwängler's, to cherish till death & we both do not want potentially troublesome situations it might cause.
Well, as you point out, the performance Graphenediol has uploaded here on RUclips goes over an hour, though I cannot & will not identify this performance as I am not the staunchest enthusiast after Celi.
But as for my copy (no CD-R), it is supposedly from January 1996 the year he died(w/my best possible Japanese sources & oh, please don't ask for the verification).
At least to my ears, it seems, wonderfully for a bootleg CD, to live up to its claim (DDD) with clarity & less hissing noise through audibly fixed microphones than the 1987 EMI one(& minus the horn tripping into the introduction). I wonder why EMI did not choose this final interpretation.
Apart from these bootlegs, Japanese labels, such as Altus, sporadically fill the void with the MPhil emblem recently. Then let’s hope for the further gold mines.
Thanks.
P.S. I noticed, without the applause, the performance we can hear right here runs just under an hour as my copy does.
Thank Toy
I have been looking for this recording for a while now to no luck. Has it been published on cd at all? Any ideas anyone?
By EMI.
Ngl thought the picture was of David lynch at first
44:14 4th mvt.
Fast as a car 0:54
Questo non è Beethoven, è una lagna desolante
The initial "Allegro con brio" is more of an "Allegro depresso" (Allegro depressed); the " Marcia funebre" (Funeral March) is very funereal, tired; the third movement would be a "SCHERZO" (Scherzo: ALLEGRO VIVACE)"; .... It sounds like a cross between a minuet and an oktoberfest länder and the final "Allegro con molto" is perhaps just "Allegro". In general the whole symphony is heavy as a spoiled cheesecake.... POOR BEETHOVEN!!!...
It is very annoying to see in most comments " The Greatest ' , there is absolutely not the Greatest in anything, it all comes to taste and mood and one's personality. And this Celi Eroica is cumbersome, BUT
First movement at half speed? Why?
Because music must breathe...everything can not be fast and loud. This is very nice tempo for this music
Slow and boring. Heavy and pro-Wagner, but anti-Beethoven
He should have learned the dynamics first. Totally overrated. Don’t mind the tempi , but really no dynamics.
First movement is too slow - needs more punch!
Celibidache is great when you want to listen to a 45 minute symphony and you have an hour and half to do it. What a snooze fest this interpretation was.
his tempi were wonderful for Bruckner or Wagner, but for Beethoven... not so much
Cannot understand the cult of Celibidache. This is appalling. Ridiculously slow. Wrenches all of the tension out of the music. Absolute borefest. And don't get me started on his Bruckner 8.
Mental man: tension; spiritual person: Cosmic Sublimity
@@vijinanadu1962 Nonsense
@@alanoconnor7417 Lazy, low I Q, animal type, no intellectual intuition, so you can't appreciate metaphysics
glad you don't want to get started. maybe you could attend to your garden.
@@gabrielchircu422 I’d get it done quicker than celibidache would a performance.
Glacial pace. Music denuded of any excitement. Notes spread out beyond the ability of the musicians to maintain the note. Spread of the chords, lose precision. Amazing indeed that such a poor performance would be recorded.
I will never understand his cult status. He was also an arsehole of note (I played under him).
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