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  • Wizards of the Coast makes me so angry #dnd #opendnd
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  • @conof7339
    @conof7339 Год назад +76

    "If you make more than this amount of money, you owe us. And if you make less than that, we still own the thing you make."
    Best summary I've heard yet.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +16

      Wait holy shit I said something that cool? Damn. I barely remember what I said during these.
      These were literally venting.

    • @Galaxy613
      @Galaxy613 Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi ruclips.net/video/B701RA7cL8k/видео.html

    • @ccgod
      @ccgod Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi I mean even if you do pay them...they still own your stuff lol

  • @MilieuGames
    @MilieuGames Год назад +37

    This will fail due to one simple fact: DMs push the game.
    We're the DMs.

    • @Spartacus547
      @Spartacus547 Год назад +6

      need a DMs Union if we all say No to running d&d ass 6.0 and say will no longer buying any of your stuff ? what can they do ?

    • @MilieuGames
      @MilieuGames Год назад +8

      @@Spartacus547 DMs Unite

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +8

      HUZZAH! HEAR HEAR

    • @christianlangdon3766
      @christianlangdon3766 Год назад +1

      I mean this has always been the case. But this is where I think some people are going to way overboard. I know it's scary to see what's coming but like honestly the early bits of this was substantiated by hearsay and little else. Which is why I felt it was fear mongering get your pitchforks only 40 percent of the players are paying customers. Which is as a company reasonable that wizards wants to get those other people not buying into buying. So many people were bringing up tons and tons of hearsay with no evidence. We just now got evidence of a lot of things. The monetization of super fish like ghost fire games and others honestly feels reasonable in a world where fan projects are shut down by Nintendo, and other companies are downright awful yet are more successful than wizards. Which is a slippery slope but ghost fire games is basicly raking in more money on avrege than wizards of the same ip one owns and the other doesn't.
      Imagine someone doing it with Disney or Nintendo. It would be unthinkable honestly in any other context. Now for RUclips and all the other things that is coming out I am downright with you that no it's not okay. And I hope our voices are heard as dms who are the paying customers and they know it will hopefully pay attention to our voices saying hey tone it down or we be having a fighting words.
      Tldr, early stuff on this topic had no real evidence, so was preemptively making everyone on edge, but now I feel it's time to voice out especially dms since they know we are the market.

    • @MilieuGames
      @MilieuGames Год назад +6

      @@christianlangdon3766 I don't understand how you can say what we heard early on was without evidence and now that we have evidence, we should relax.
      Do you really think that Ghostfire makes more money on DnD than Hasbro? Hasbro had DnD products for sale at Target and Walmart. It's a totally different scale. Ghostfire is talking about $100s of thousands, Hasbro is $100 of millions.
      The issue is, this large community of third party that built up all these different styles of play and different mechanics, is now (apparently) Hasbro's property.
      This is not in good faith. They are taking the work of thousands of fans.
      This is wrong.

  • @ItsKagiVids
    @ItsKagiVids Год назад +73

    DQ spiting absolute facts I've personally never really been a huge fan of WOTC for personal other reasons I think people really need to remember that companies aren't you're friend's if they try and act as such it's just pandering.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +6

      companies arent your friends! calling them wotc vs wizards of the coast makes it feel like your internet friend wotc :3c than actually being a mega corp with so much money

  • @Drewcatmorris
    @Drewcatmorris Год назад +21

    The original D&D 3rd Edition OGL launched a renaissance in gaming and gaming companies that published great material that required you to buy the WotC products to use, but expanded upon them GREATLY. Same with the OGL for 5th Ed. This move will quash so much creative output.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +4

      AGREED. WHOLEHEARTEDLY. the community wouldn't be where it is without that

    • @kevinsullivan3448
      @kevinsullivan3448 Год назад

      The OGL created a renaissance in NotC 1E fantasy role playing, not D&D. And certainly not in role playing or the associated gaming companies. All 3.0 did was create a game for the lowest common denomination in the gaming culture. It combined fantasy role playing with math class. If NotC hadn't bought the D&D logo and the nostalgia that came with it the game would have just been another trash game among the dozens of trash games on the market at the time.

  • @scotthuffman3462
    @scotthuffman3462 Год назад +45

    Ever since OneD&D was announced I've been skeptical. I've started writing my own system I'm calling "OpenVenture", and I plan on making it 100% open source when its ready for a full release. I've always firmly believed that while WotC does have the right to their IP, The ability to enjoy a TTRPG with your friends should never be gated behind a cost.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +6

      YOU GO SCOTT

    • @TrixyTrixter
      @TrixyTrixter Год назад +3

      Please send me a link when you are done! I need more options

    • @zerototheworld1531
      @zerototheworld1531 Год назад

      Yeah at first I thought OneDnd was amazing in their little trailer, since they said that nothing would change, that they would just build on top of what was already there. But then there were the first few rules changes, books that aren't that interesting or thrilling, and now hasbro is risking everything by doing it like Games Workshop. In their opinion, they think that we will play DnD no matter the crappy environment, but it's kind of motivating me to try other systems.

  • @CasualCoreK
    @CasualCoreK Год назад +12

    but di if i don't speak up for the billion-dollar corporation that holds all the power in the situation then who will

  • @IronicCliche
    @IronicCliche Год назад +1

    You're officially invited to my Pathfinder game.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Hahaha perfect

    • @IronicCliche
      @IronicCliche Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi wow you responded fast. Game's on Sunday, we're level 10. Free archetype and uncommon is allowed. Invite will be coming via owl.

  • @iantaran2843
    @iantaran2843 Год назад

    Regardless of anything thank you for being part of this fight and getting the word out there !
    Thank you for staying firm and releasing the videos you have, this problem needs to reach as many people as possible 🤘🙏

  • @soullister1269
    @soullister1269 Год назад +34

    What will happen is that players will branch out even more to other systems. I'm happy my group got into some old school ones like Cyberpunk 2020 and I'm about to DM Mekton Zeta. 5e was my introduction and I still love it, but there are so many other systems out there for you to try, old and new.
    So WotC are kinda shooting themselves in the foot because the amount of third party material for 5e is insane and its solely due to the OGL and the system's popularity. So far ONE D&D hasn't shown anything that makes anyone excited, be them players or creators.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +15

      that's honestly what i'm hoping for! i'm hoping people branch off to other systems! i want it all to be a great big BLAZE

    • @dynamicworlds1
      @dynamicworlds1 Год назад +2

      Most of us have fond nostalgia for the version of D&D that got us into the hobby, but (while 5e is better for it than the 3.x I got started with) D&D is actually a terrible first system.
      Unfortunately its name is also synonymous with the hobby for most people, so it going down a bad route hurts the ability to bring new people into the hobby.
      How those factors may balance out in the future, though, I have no idea.

  • @DorkyPorgi
    @DorkyPorgi Год назад +5

    Defending wizards of the coast? I switch my stance from defense mode to attack position, which allows me to play pot of greed. Pot of greed allows me to draw 3 cards into my hand. Greed is good. Thus activating my pot of greed, and i draw three additional cards into my hand. I place two cards face down and end my turn.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      Play mirrored force to summon Pot of Greed and draw 3 cards.

    • @KingZNIN
      @KingZNIN Год назад

      Didn't pot of greed let you draw 2 cards?

  • @jerekheadrick3379
    @jerekheadrick3379 Год назад +10

    Thank you for voicing all the frustrated words that have been bouncing around in my head.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +4

      I'm with you. I've barely been able to sleep.

    • @Naga-Raja
      @Naga-Raja Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi I soooooo feel that! I litterally didn't sleep a wink the night I heard! SO mad! #RIPDND

  • @Thundah_Dome
    @Thundah_Dome Год назад +13

    5E was pretty fun on release.
    Now that WOTC is not only butchering DnD, but also magic, I'm pretty sure I won't be buying anything from them. There are other, potentially better systems out there.
    EDIT: Subscribed. Your rant was spot on.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +3

      I'd say less butchering, more wringing an empty orange dry for juice.
      And fam: I've got 3 more coming tomm. I recorded FOUR of these in one sitting.

    • @Thundah_Dome
      @Thundah_Dome Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi You right. Way better analogy. And I'll be watching! :D

    • @davidbowles7281
      @davidbowles7281 Год назад

      5th ed is one of the worst systens ever imo.

    • @Thundah_Dome
      @Thundah_Dome Год назад

      @@davidbowles7281 I mean, that's fair. It's not for everyone. I see potential in the mechanical aspects of it.

    • @evanhuizenga8626
      @evanhuizenga8626 Год назад

      This is not only a trend with WotC sadly. A lot of companies are going to be suffering big losses because they take advice from these psychopathic business advisors and leaders to "fully monetize" their content. What that actually means is making people pay for every tiny little thing, and doing their best to make sure it is as painful as possible to get anything free. Look at Blizzard, EA, many many other big games companies.

  • @solidsnek1776
    @solidsnek1776 Год назад

    It's crazy how eager some people are to lick the boot thats about to step on their neck

  • @Xandiyer
    @Xandiyer Год назад +2

    There is nothing specific to dnd that can't be replaced by other systems, except for their official setting lore. And you can make/find lore that's better.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Agreed!!! But the only problem is that it's the biggest and most noteable

  • @eespinola
    @eespinola Год назад +6

    But if I don't aggressively defend every business practice WotC engages in how can I call myself the biggest D&D fan and claim to be better than other D&D fans?!?!

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +3

      Fuck, man. I feel that. How can you say you lived without literally only eating from dnd cookbooks and wearing larp clothes every day of the week XD

  • @shinankoku2
    @shinankoku2 Год назад +1

    That’s why I’m playing Cyberpunk RED

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Good taste tbh. Go raise hell on those megacorps for me, brother

  • @asturias0267
    @asturias0267 Год назад +3

    Don't forget that this is the company that charges an arm and a leg for cards that they make artificially scarce. They even charge for digital cards and include rng into that system too when they could just let people build the decks they want and have fun with the game.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      While I'm inclined to agree with you, I'm definitely guilty of doing that for Yugioh.
      I feel a bit better giving it to Konami than Wotc tho. At least with Konami giving them money leads to an anime.

    • @asturias0267
      @asturias0267 Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi I can't forgive Konami after what they did to Hideo Kojima. He and his team made the Fox Engine, only got to use it in one game, then Konami fired him and kept sole right to the engine. Now it's used in pachinko machines. :(

  • @psy_p
    @psy_p Год назад +1

    If I had to guess I'd say a bunch of the people defending it are getting some juicy corporate favors.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      The ones getting to me are the ambivalent "well it's a Corp doing a Corp thing... what are we gonna do?" and laying down to take whatever momma wotc will give em.

  • @Rich_H_1972
    @Rich_H_1972 Год назад +2

    D&Done.

  • @RSVSREV3RSE
    @RSVSREV3RSE Год назад +1

    Yeah i gave them the benefit of the doubt in the beginning but now I wouldn't ever defend them now.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Wotc has an amazing trick in tricking you that it's part of the adventure you made with your friends. When really it's just the freeloader cashing on that goodwill

  • @DogratDavis
    @DogratDavis Год назад +23

    Incredibly based rant. Fans should really start crowdfunding and creating their own parallel tabletop market. Indie videogames do it to great success, and indie comics have been doing great the last few years too. These massive companies fear competition much more than anything else, it's the only thing that works if you really want things to change.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +5

      We've been trying! And there's lots of really great non d20 games from companies with really good practices. I'm just sick of wotc
      I've got 3 more rants coming out tomm to check in for that

  • @skyeagain5174
    @skyeagain5174 Год назад +57

    Hasbro/WotC have gotten much more aggressive with anti-consumer practice ever since Chris rose to power. It's unfortunate that this happens any time a hobby becomes corporatized, and there's nothing we can do about it because it's impossible to organize any sort of movement against it.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +8

      they're too big and too powerful. and no number of nerds can stop this

    • @enixxe
      @enixxe Год назад +11

      We can literally just not do business with them anymore and discourage other people from doing business with them. We can also ramp up piracy. We literally don't need WotC to play D&D. They don't actually have the ability to gate access to it, unlike an MMORPG developer, since there's nothing genuinely exclusive about it. D&D is intrinsically a group activity, and if there is a widespread souring of community feelings about WotC, that can actually lead to a downturn in engagement with their products, which can also lead to reduced sales. This isn't some pie in the sky dream either. WotC, whether they realize it or not, is fundamentally dependent on unpaid brand ambassadors (ie players recruiting more players) to make D&D profitable. They have virtually no marketing footprint or engagement outside of that.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +9

      There are definitely ways they can limit access. Let me paint a scenario.
      1. Implement a bookwalker like web portal. You can ONLY use this portal to access your digital copies.
      2. Restrict or remove access to dnd on virtual tabletops like roll20/foundry. You wanna play dnd online? Has to be on their service. Dnd beyond is quoted for saying they had a vtt ready to release but wotc blocked it. Ppl expect they plan to do so only after the new edition comes out.
      3. The only way to access service/class options? You need the digital books on your acct. They'll say this is for "streaming content through mix and max drop menus!" When in reality it's a bottleneck.
      Bam. The average consumer will mindlessly click through and use all these services due to convenience. They continue in growth, while the rest of us sit in self satisfaction that we're sticking it to the man. I say this in a self-loathing way as that's what I've felt the entire time I run games that aren't dnd.

    • @Sapheiorus
      @Sapheiorus Год назад

      It's not impossible. It's takes hard work and rigorous thought, but it's been done before. My recommendation: Become socialists. Become Marxists, even.
      The "radical" leftist political tendency is an EXISTING movement that comprehensively speaks and acts against this kind of bullshit realizing that it will KEEP HAPPENING across ALL INDUSTRIES, including the fun ones, because our economic system outright demands these measures eventually be adopted for the sake of "growth". As a result, industries INVENT new schemes to make money off of people: battle passes, paid DLC, IP retention and protectionism (the one in play here), subscription services, rent, optional paid warranty, planned obsolescence, etc.
      The capitalist economic arrangement needs to change altogether if you want all this to stop, and we can do that if we unite and organize as consumers and workers. The movement is for you as much as it is for the poor or the marginalized. Everyone other than the established rich and powerful stand to benefit from a leftist pathway.

    • @daren5393
      @daren5393 Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi just play a different ttrpg

  • @AmbyrRavyn
    @AmbyrRavyn Год назад

    Your hand movements are enchanting

  • @o7Bones
    @o7Bones Год назад

    this is the part where we stop tunnel visioning on their product and start giving attention to their competition so they have to compete.

  • @ReiDuran
    @ReiDuran Год назад +10

    Man, WotC REALLY wants to create their own competition, huh?

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +5

      legit the last time they went hard on this to make 4e, they fucking made pathfinder! like come on!

  • @TaiLysana
    @TaiLysana Год назад +13

    As much as I hate seeing what is happening, I kind of hope that this pushes more people into other ttrpg communities so we get more content. Maybe a few will come over to Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay to hang out in the mud and blood of the Old World.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      This is the hope. The Great fire will consume all.

    • @evanhuizenga8626
      @evanhuizenga8626 Год назад +1

      Uhh I mean... it's not like Games Workshop are better that WotC in that respect lol.

    • @TaiLysana
      @TaiLysana Год назад +2

      @@evanhuizenga8626 Cubicle7 is though, and while GW is busy ruining the war game aspect of their IP the ttrpg lives on untouched by their greed in C7's hands.

    • @catandrobbyflores
      @catandrobbyflores Год назад +1

      The problem is that the open gaming license can nuke them too if they were made after a certain date. Pathfinder is screwed, Mutants and Masterminds is potentially dead.

    • @TaiLysana
      @TaiLysana Год назад

      @@catandrobbyflores Well seeing as how the only edition that could potentially be hit by this is 2e because it was made by Green Ronin, but it doesn't use the OGL at all just that Green Ronin uses the OGL in some other products, and that 2e has been out of publication for over a decade, I think it will be fine. C7 doesn't use the OGL at all, doesn't use the GSL, or the d20STL. WFRP is not going to be nuked.

  • @hyperguyver2
    @hyperguyver2 Год назад +3

    Don't give your money to people who hate you.

  • @TheHobgoblyn
    @TheHobgoblyn Год назад +1

    I WANT all companies to stop using the god damn OGL. I want them to run from it. Because I am sick to death of "designers" getting ahold of an IP I like or even "making" an original IP and looking at the project of making its TTRPG version as "I just copy D&D's SRD and tweak the names of a few things then put it out as a completed product." When the mechanics of D&D, the races of D&D, the D&D interpretation of various creatures, the classes and mechanics of those classes of D&D, the way D&D forces you to build your characters to make them functional-- none of it fits the details of the world nor the tone nor the themes of the thing being adapted. But for the last 20 years again and again the "go to" way of making an RPG is just literally mindlessly copying D&D down to the letter and then making the most surface level tweaks.
    If people are driven away from using the OGL-- if they aren't making their games by lazily copying the SRD-- we might see some god damn creativity, imagination and diversity within the TTRPG space again. Because the OGL has been toxic as hell towards allowing any of that. No one is going to put actual thought and love into their project when "copy the SRD" is the quicker, cheaper option.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      The original ogl 1.0 from 2000, which is what's being attacked, was more than that. From that, derivative generic licenses were made that actually encouraged designers of any sort of game to create cause they had a framework to create whatever they wanted. Of a 15 section doc, only section 15 said ANYTHING about dungeons and dragons. The other 14 were just protecting and encouraging free development of your game.
      There's a lot more at stake than just dnd.

  • @yeager1957
    @yeager1957 Год назад +2

    “WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BIGGEST PLAYER IN THE TROG INDUSTRY!” Man I don’t get these fucking shills, it’s like they made WotC their personality.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      There are a LOT of people that have done this ngl

  • @FlutesLoot
    @FlutesLoot Год назад +5

    YOU NAILED IT! I have been disappointed in people running interference for the company while disparaging other community members. It's totally reasonable for people to wait for more information, but the way they keep throwing around the words you used like fearmongering, clickbaiting, or doom-posting is unacceptable. I'm glad some of them are apologizing and clearing the air. They should've apologized sooner. I hope more of them come around.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Did you know the official dnd discord has also locked down any and all conversation about the OGL?? it's pretty fucked up.

    • @FlutesLoot
      @FlutesLoot Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi folks did let me know about that. They showed me a funny post that basically said (paraphrasing), "The leak conversation is either false trolling or correct breach of contract, so we're not allowing the conversation per our rules either way."

  • @loganstecher2581
    @loganstecher2581 Год назад +1

    Honestly, the most credible thing ANY news source can say is, "Company is Greedy". Even if it is the Onion, I'm going to believe it is true.

  • @MrRourk
    @MrRourk Год назад +1

    Instead of dealing with the Faceless Corporation I suggest getting in touch with Matt Mercer and Friends. They have become the face of D&D and I don' t think D&D can survive without them anymore.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Haha sadly, I don't think that'll be enough. Also I dunno if they'd wanna hang with lil Ole me

    • @ccgod
      @ccgod Год назад +1

      @DiceQueen Di yea CR is also sponsored by wotc. So they'll either do what they say to keep the money flowing or they'll have to quit. Unless they wanna give them 25% of what they make.

  • @HKLuger90
    @HKLuger90 Год назад +2

    I mean you can tell how bad they were by the quality of the supplemental books. I get that this is probably going to sound like arguing over editions, I love both editions gameplay, but look at the difference between the 3.5 supplementals vs 5E supplementals. In 3.5 you typically got new equipment, new classes, feats, spells, and new fleshed out areas and descriptions etc, that both players and DMs can use, where in 5E half the time I feel like half the book is full of useless roll tables for something as a player or DM I'm going to generate on the fly for like personality. The best example that translates pretty easily is go look at the old Draconomicon for 3.5 then check out Fizbans and you'll see the difference. Just for players alone theres about 40 pages for the players full of densly packed information where the tables are actually useful for summarizing the info you would read through and in Fizban Id be generous if I was to say it was 15 pages, and both books have roughly 200 pages in total.

  • @nobinary2296
    @nobinary2296 Год назад +1

    Here is a more in depth look. Hope the link works. If not? Go to the newest video on the channel "Indestructoboy".
    ruclips.net/video/bUOtHQeakso/видео.html

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Yeah this is what I was looking at too. Thanks for posting!

    • @nobinary2296
      @nobinary2296 Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi No probs. I feel so bad for the dude. He tried to warn us and people did everything they could to rake his name through the coals.
      When will people get that you can enjoy the game but it doesn't mean the company that made it is your friend? Your emotions and bonds are made with your PARTY from sessions over the years. Not the company. People need to stop developing these unhealthy parasocial relationships.

  • @Evendur6748
    @Evendur6748 Год назад +5

    Ngl, Paizo and Pathfinder 2e looks spicy, maybe time to switch.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +3

      The pf2 reddit atm is super flooded with new players from 5e xD

    • @Evendur6748
      @Evendur6748 Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi So I heard, I guess I'll see about trying the system sometime this year lol

  • @mixstardust429
    @mixstardust429 Год назад +3

    This energy is exactly how we feel about this

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      I feel it so hard fam. It burns me.

    • @mixstardust429
      @mixstardust429 Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi No but like... WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP DOING THIS?? Like genuinely WHY? Did they pay you?? Like these people fr live in a different universe

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Fuckin check the comments. I thought I'd only see it on Facebook or Twitter but somehow they're here too

  • @elijahelizalde4308
    @elijahelizalde4308 Год назад +1

    I'm arguing with someone on Facebook right now, Because they are claiming this 1.1 bullshit is not anti consumer and anti competitor

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      Just note that nothing anti consumer and anti competitor needed 9000 words to say "do whatever you want"

    • @davidbowles7281
      @davidbowles7281 Год назад

      You won't win. GW has simps too. You can't convince addicts.

  • @baosia
    @baosia Год назад +2

    It's the "let's play" debate all over again but with ttrpgs. Someone in marketing suddenly noticises that there is a lot of buzz around their product, the company gets worried that they are missing out and they are trying to direct all cashflow towards them, and in doing so they kill the joy of creation and it turns out the lucurative thing to do would have been to leave things as they were. On the surface it sounds exactly like that thing Nintendo tried to roll out, where they demanded lets players to send them money when playing their games. That was such a shit storm that Nintendo had to tuck the tails between their legs and it would seem the reasonable thing to do would be to keep throwing shit until this thing goes away.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Let's play debate?? Can you elaborate a bit more?

    • @baosia
      @baosia Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi I don't recall the specifics, but Nintendo wanted the youtube cash a couple of years back so they tried to claim copyright on every single video that contained even a second of gameplay that wasn't sent out for review or marketing purposes - basically targeting every let's play uploaded ever and streamers. The only way you could keep uploading/stream Nintendo content and get money from it would be to enroll in their own creators program, basically signing over most of your rights as a creator to Nintendo, and you would get a tiny amounts of any eventual profits your content might make. This naturally caused an uproar among the youtube and twitch community, and a debate of how far copyright should reach.

    • @baosia
      @baosia Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi It was called the Nintendo Creators Program, but other big players in the field were following it all with interest, and I believe there are tweets out there from higher ups in sony and microsoft who spoke about how unfair it is that people can take their content and make money without them. So... at least to me it is sounding like Hasbro is trying something similar now, when streaming d&d became a business they want part of that cash

  • @xendordawnburst9969
    @xendordawnburst9969 Год назад +1

    And here I was thinking "Hey, if I create my own homebrew setting, and DM it, maybe I can livestream it and see if people like it!" Nope! If WotC is gonna trash creativity like this, public DnD events are going to die! Critical Role may survive because they've got special treatment and special deals with WotC, but good luck to Io Verse, Dragonfinder Gaming, or any other smaller DnD content creator!

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      I think if you stream it too it'll count as their work. Fucking derivatives and whatnot.

  • @HighmageDerin
    @HighmageDerin Год назад +1

    Turns out Hasbro was the BBEG the Whole damn Time............. They spent 10 years luring in people to do all their work for them. Gathered then into the Room with the OGL Then used their Lair Action to Pull the Handle on that Spiked Pit Trap they Prepaired Hope All the Affected Creators Managed to Make their Financial Dex Saves................. For My part as a Consumer. Im moving on, or rather back, to Palladium and Gurps, Maybe Ill just go back to White Wolf, Haven't played Vampire in forever........

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Ayyy good for you! Give new games a try.

  • @harleymitchelly5542
    @harleymitchelly5542 Год назад +1

    A few people have put out more legal-ese videos on this that are worth watching. As in lawyers are going after it and giving their thoughts. As bad as this is, I think people need to screw their heads back on, shit talk the hell out of this, and do some prepping.
    Biggest thing we need to do right now is get a legal community, for lack of a better term, interested in this to man the battle-stations, because the whole transfer to the new OGL looks like it's got more holes in it than moldy swiss cheese.
    We should also be prepared to fight back in the event this is a classic negotiation trick. WoTC/Hasbro are doing the Big Ask right now. They want everyone mad, but also atomized over this. Then, they'll walk most of it back and screw us in the fine print because the Big Ask is rarely ever what the asker genuinely wants, it's step 2 that they want, and this "conciliatory gesture," will bamboozle the more fanboy-ish into forgiving them for basically not putting the jackboot on before they stomp your face in.
    Stay vigilant. I think we can win this with the nature of the old OGL and the fact in 23 years WoTC never touched it, which is really good news when it comes to fighting the change, but we need to be prepared to drop them like a bad habit. A corporation is never your friend. In terms of economics I'm a free marketeer and I can loudly and proudly say that. Fortunately, customers having a revolt is an appropo response to a company that is rapidly proving itself... inefficient... to put it lightly.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Hahaha I like your prep work. You sound like a good GM

    • @harleymitchelly5542
      @harleymitchelly5542 Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi I appreciate the sentiment, but I can't run a session proper. My comment's more the product of a politics and government degree with special focus on law and economics who is in general very critical of people on all sides letting their hearts guide them more than their heads. (I won't say what my politics are, but that's more because I got some sage advice from an old friend in my online travels. Hearing what someone's politics are is like seeing them naked. You're only going to appreciate it if you were already going to like what you'd see.) I deal with my anxieties through planning, this is in my wheelhouse, so I have a good deal to work with in planning.
      No, my talents are in worldbuilding and mechanical work. One reason I'm not happy about this is because I have a lot of free time at work on a computer, being self-employed, so I started making homebrew to pass the time with plans of it being some auxiliary income. I'm already up to a minimum 7 new subclasses for each main class sub Blood Hunter, 4 or 5 outright new classes, and several races, more than a few of them with sets of subraces, with some racial feats in addition to stuff for large creatures as I wanted to play around with that, almost all of whom I made worldbuilding work for. (The one exception was something of a commission.) We're at playtesting for some of them, an actual IRL DM I know collabed with me to build a world that I'm doing a one-man show for. 5 characters, each one of them has a unique homebrew subclass, started with one member of a new race, now two.
      We're a party of kobolds who got their hold raided, we're all a family, and then we kidnapped/press-ganged a halfling into working with us. I wanted to screw around with large creatures, and so we reflavored the Primordial Lizardfolk into a Primordial Kobold (Think T-rex person, only 10'11" tall), and when the halfling was forcibly retired (A kobold who was the matron for everyone and the halfling desecrated an altar to Lolth and became Drider food for our troubles. They both got raised from the dead, but now the Rogue has to become a homebrew subclass Paladin in service to Lolth and is traumatized to say the least, and the Halfling was raised in the service of a dragon we met earlier.), we added a Gnoll to the party who was bound to help us thanks to the help of a Tiefling urchin we rescued who quite literally doodled his way into the Celestial Bureaucracy. (He's a grief counselor. He is also an unironic demon and barbarian who's value set is... what you'd expect from a Gnoll. This was deliberate, and I'm LARP-ing this.) We're in a Duergar hold, we just protected the king from a coup, and we're about to go to full-scale war with another Duergar hold. I digress... but dammit I'm proud of this, worldbuilding and storytelling-as-a-player is the exact kind of thing I blundered into finding out I'm actually really good at, and being bullied from grade school to college, with all the social maladaptation that implies, means I don't get many options to legit brag.
      I put a lot of work into all that, and I'm hoping 5e gets spared, or that Castles & Crusades, which I've seen a few people point to as the Pathfinder to 5e, is close enough to work with minimal retrofitting. I don't want several months of work to basically just get neutered out from under me.

  • @assembly_language3948
    @assembly_language3948 Год назад +1

    Critical Role is in Critical Danger.

  • @SMunro
    @SMunro Год назад

    Hasbro can sell D&D into public domain for a billion dollars and make more money from it than D&D than they made in the last ten years.

  • @fumarc4501
    @fumarc4501 Год назад +1

    Never defend corporations. WOTC, Activision, Disney, Nintendo, etc. they can own good IPs and ARE still terrible.
    Corpos are NOT your friend.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Seriously. There's so many people defending them. It's insane.

  • @NoTimeAllTime
    @NoTimeAllTime Год назад

    Wotc and Hasbro basically see players as obstacles to get at money and companies using the ogl as thieves stealing their money. this is, of course a horrible horrible way to look at things not only from a community standard but from a business position. The shareholders of hasbro should take them to task.

  • @DrakeBarrow
    @DrakeBarrow Год назад +3

    Now now, we all know that Hasbro is a little company! It's practically a mom-and-pop store, dontcha know! It's vital that the fanbase speak up on their behalf, because they're explicitly NOT a megacorp with an army of lawyers and a taste for blood reflected in their soulless eyes (which are black, like a doll's eyes). How could you be against the little guy? How could you punch down like that!?
    ...I don't need to put the /s here, do I? Because I fully agree, corporate simping is weird. Especially the "Who makes $750k or more?" defenses. Those are coming up so often, I seriously suspect that Hasbro paid to have bots float that line of argument.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      Sadly I've seen every comment pass through here and the /s is kinda needed with the level of wotc dick riding I've seen

    • @HighmageDerin
      @HighmageDerin Год назад

      They were already starting to Struggle. Years of Crappy Chinese made flimsy plastic toys chased away a lot of potential buyers, considering the ones buying the toys now grew up with the better constructed and still functional today Toys. Follow that by the simple fact that most kids today now spend their time in front of a Monitor playing video games and not in the sand box! IMHO Hasbro just went from "Just Hanging on" to "We are in total Free Fall" with this little choice.............

    • @Valtharr
      @Valtharr Год назад +1

      You joke, but I once saw someone try to literally argue that indie RPGs are threatening D&D or something like that

    • @HighmageDerin
      @HighmageDerin Год назад

      @@Valtharr In the past that might have been a joke . but now that they've went and "Slit their own wrists", The Small time indie projects might actually get a good boost. Nothing like stabbing yourself in your own foot to give the competition an edge

  • @thomascranor2668
    @thomascranor2668 Год назад +1

    Sooooo... Pathfinder anyone?

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      The pathfinder 2 reddit has been flooding with new people!

  • @AmusementOverlord
    @AmusementOverlord Год назад +1

    I'm seriously considering boycotting Hasbro as a whole if they go through with this, and would encourage everyone to do likewise

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Sadly this majorly only affects creators. The average player won't give a shit.

    • @AmusementOverlord
      @AmusementOverlord Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi it will affect players when everything 3rd party gets more expensive and less available

  • @adamloveland3198
    @adamloveland3198 Год назад +2

    Hasbro is following Game Workshop's example and I love watching the whole situation crash and burn for them and any other corporation that bites the hand that feeds them, I knew the fanboys were going to defend this but everyone else thankfully isn't going to buy into it, between all kinds of 3rd party pdf sites having the rules and materials to download for free, all kinds of group servers and other rpg sites that offer a ton of third party support, the smart people are going to stick with 5e as one DnD crashes because of all the support 5e has had over it's lifespan. What companies have to understand is that it isn't up to them if a game lives or dies, it's up to us and at the end of the day money talks, it's one of the reason why most of the people who play 40k are a bunch of suckers and automatically switch to the new edition and are surprised when the game doesn't work, it's the reason why sports gamers are somehow surprised that their game that they sink thousands of dollars into lootboxes and their game has had no advancement in decades, you encourage them to put out a lackluster product, you encourage them to rip you off because you let them get away with it every single time and at the end of the day the corporations do not care about you no matter what action you take. They will only start to listen if no one buys their stuff, or in GW's case continue to make bad decision until they are in the red and dying and wondering why the player base just doesn't care anymore. Vote with your wallets and they'll either communicate and fix the issues because they are forced to or they'll crash and burn, for them it's a lose-lose situation either way, the power is in the hands of those who love the game and want to see it succeed but at the same time have to be careful otherwise you'll end up encouraging the wrong behavior and the need to keep these people accountable is a must, a tabletop rpg does not need monetization like a mobile game nor does the company have to attack 3rd party content, all that does is paint a negative image and it creates a lot of bad pr that will never go away.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      I'm ready to watch with popcorn

  • @erroldrommond9149
    @erroldrommond9149 Год назад +2

    it stared with bad MtG sets, 2/1 creatures, **FRASH** warp cards out of booster pacts (yes, they sell you basically damage products), lootbox like booster pack-pack, make really trashy illustrations because white man bad, overprice """mythic""" sets. and now we have this. when you have money for glasses you cant see why the socall fan dont wanna spend money on your shity products.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      Ffsakes those fucking anniversary boosters too. 1000$ for 4 useless boosters.

    • @erroldrommond9149
      @erroldrommond9149 Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi they did that before, for 4 random booster pack that "only" cost 15$. and yes, most if not all of the booster in that pack will cost you less then 15$. they were raking money long time ago and now its worst. so people that think WoTc is doing what right, have brain worms. lets not even talk about the warps card, most people that open booster pack at fist say the card look fine. they left the card on the table, come back after a hour!! all the cards are warp. WoTc is using cheep cardboard and charging us the premium price. madness!

  • @overlordgames1394
    @overlordgames1394 Год назад

    In my game me and mine players do what we want, wizard' s rules are shit.

  • @Untolddead
    @Untolddead Год назад +5

    Wizard of the coast was my best man at my wedding! They are definitely my bestfriend. :P

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +5

      Mine too! they came by and gave EVERYONE ferraris filled with dice

  • @Dream146
    @Dream146 Год назад +6

    I've been sceptical of oneD&D since the announcement and I'm really hoping all this blows up in wizards of the coast's face. It's not a good look being this anti consumer in relatively small market where people are passionate about the industry and if the last time they tried this with D&D4e is anything to go by it will not be well received.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +5

      I really really hope it blows up on them. I loved magic and I still love dnd. But I can't back this corpo bullshit

    • @WolforNuva
      @WolforNuva Год назад +2

      I only became sceptical after seeing the "playtests", it quickly became apparent that they were making a new edition, and they were lying in order to keep selling 5e content.
      God damn though I never imagined it would spiral this far out of control. Until they _show_ that they understand why they foocked up and correct course, Wizards is dead to me.

  • @briansmaller7443
    @briansmaller7443 Год назад

    This is one of those things that I do not understand about Gen Z and Millennials. So many seem to think corporations actually give a crap about them. Where did this self inflicted slavish adoration of big business come from.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      I 100% disagree tbh. Most millenials are mid 30s now and both them and Gen Z folk are more critical of capitalism than ever. This shows majorly with how they're aware of just how they're never really gonna be able to afford homes.

  • @JP-mg5hy
    @JP-mg5hy Год назад +1

    Magic 30th anniversary edition, $1000 for 4 booster packs of the original set. Not tournament legal.
    Which note: original set was HOT trash and not worth opening aside from the $$$$ value.
    Great video.
    Great Vtuber rig visual design!

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      THANK YOU. ILL ALWAYS DO MY BEST

  • @charlesb23
    @charlesb23 Год назад +1

    Please support alternate ttrpgs. Holding WoTCs feet to the fire is all good. There has to be other TTrpg companies worthy of support.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      If we're not careful wotc is gonna go after all of them

  • @starduststriker8792
    @starduststriker8792 Год назад +1

    personally one of the worst things about this change is that it might end up literally destroying Pathfinder 2e, although i hope that doesn't happen. I was literally just getting into the system as a great and more tactically consistent alternative to the balance mess that is 5e, so if it ends up going under thats a massive shame

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      It might literally destroy and upend 20 years of good will gaming

  • @girlbuu9403
    @girlbuu9403 Год назад

    Been copy pasting a rant into different videos on this topic. Starting it off with 'before anyone goes they'll never go after individual players/DMs' but it sounds like people are doing worse than that. I never understood why people feel the need to go to bat for giant corporations and governments. The only times I ever have I regretted it in a month when whatever accusation being levied turned out to be true.
    I recall Transformers fans defending Hasbro's... 'creative decisions' back in the day. It was weird then, it is weird now.
    But regardless... that copy pasta was that people said that about various copy rights in the past, that that will be reserved for 'the big boys'. I remember back in the day when it was considered a huge deal for corporations to sue individuals for sharing music files. I think that was... Kazaa? Before that they just sued whoever was hosting the file sharing service. I said that was insane back then, and my friend group was kinda split. Some people were like "well we have to protect copy right" and when I said some people were being taking to court over covers they sang themselves it was general indifference, or belief those incidents were mistakes and I was making a 'slippery slope' fallacy.
    Slippery slope isn't a fallacy. Streaming D&D games is becoming more and more popular. If you do this I suggest dramatically changing the way the game is played, homeruling it to the point of being unrecognizable. Even then, I think they are probably going to start doing some real precious copyright claim sort of stuff. I don't think they're foolish enough to go after people over using actual mythological creatures, but they may still go after people for doing things like making their dark elves too much like drow.
    I have always wanted to make my own system. I might do that now. One where armor actually blocks damage instead of makes you harder to hit.

  • @Jetblast01
    @Jetblast01 Год назад

    It's so bizarre how many people are willing to defend this multi-million dollar companies like it's their own child. Doesn't matter how much of a screw up the company does, these consoomers will fight for them.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Legit? I'm currently dealing with some random Swedish guy, a socialist country that literally pays you to go college/get educated, bat for a billion dollar company. I legit cannot comprehend for the life of me why.
      twitter.com/DiceQueenDi/status/1611739180165632001?t=ClcW2uhsjadVPWM98NPtfg&s=19

  • @rudeboyjohn3483
    @rudeboyjohn3483 Год назад

    I can so see WotC pushing "DM-less" games after this. No one will want to run their product, so they'll try to weasel out the human component. They'll make shitty "Choose Your Own Adventure" games, bribe a few influences to push it, and try to wring out as much coin from them as possible

  • @arrowodd7695
    @arrowodd7695 Год назад +3

    Magic players and investors certainly are not defending WOTC

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Nope. But I've been seeing it.
      And I'm immensely disappointed in them.

  • @plaguehead7348
    @plaguehead7348 Год назад +1

    Thank you, I don't know you but honest to God thank you.
    The only thing we can do is move on, and stop buying DnD. Vampire the masqurade anyone?

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      All I can do I get angry with yall. Let's watch it burn

  • @grey57
    @grey57 Год назад +3

    so whats actually stopping people from just cutting ties and just making their own stuff is the name D&D that strong that 5e will just be the end and itll all be fanmade from this point on?

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +4

      It's too big to fail. Tabletop rpgs started with Dungeons and Dragons so no matter what we make it'll always be under their wing, compared to the grandfather of it all. We've been trying really hard but it's a tide that feels next to impossible to fight.
      I haven't given up tho.

    • @grey57
      @grey57 Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi i guess its kinda in that area where for the majority of people and mass market this will mean nothing but it will suck for those creators and people that are super into the creation of supplemental stuff

  • @worthasandwich
    @worthasandwich Год назад +1

    Some people will defend WOTC, some people are just looking for a boot to lick.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      I've seen every comment come through here. These people actually exist

  • @dougloremaster7413
    @dougloremaster7413 Год назад +2

    I'm a brony. I create fandom works for mlp, yes even now I still make gen 4 content. We fought against Hasbro's crackdown of fan made projects for ten grueling years. Believe me when I say, Hasbro not only doesn't need you defending them, they also do not care about you. This is not a fight you can win as they do own the IP, unfortunately that is reality. They won't back down, and they won't give quarter. Take it from someone who has been there. They really don't need your support vocally.

    • @bjhale
      @bjhale Год назад

      In re "this is a fight you can't win." Nonsense. D&D isn't MLP. We have the original 3e OGL that is irrevocable and caselaw in the US that says you can't copyright game mechanics.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Fuck. I didn't think I'd be fighting alongside a brony, but we'll need every last one of you

    • @harleymitchelly5542
      @harleymitchelly5542 Год назад

      The nature of the OG OGL does raise a lot of legit legal questions whether they can de-authorize the old OGL and where exactly they can do it. OneDnD's probably screwed, but if I'm honest I knew that was gonna be a dumpster fire no matter what and I made my peace with not moving onto it. 5e's suspect, but the original books released for it may be fairly safe. 2e, 3.5, etc. are probably not going to get challenged.
      Hasbro's trying. My response is that a lot of people are going to either be putting up the skull and crossbones me hearties or realizing that WoTC needs you more than you need WoTC.

  • @russellperry9902
    @russellperry9902 Год назад +1

    I hear pathfinder is fun.

  • @SMunro
    @SMunro Год назад

    They have not payed royalties to the people who created D&D. What do I mean? The original D&D was barely out of its Wargame diapers when TSR created Dragon Magazine. This magazine recieved articles from the public. They farmed those creatives for thirty years for their ideas and homebrew tweaks. Those ideas are now part of the modern game. The entire B/X magicuser spell list came from a single article in dragon magazine four years earlier. Not from inhouse employees... but from a submission to the magazine.
    Secondary Skills, weapon mastery, equipment lists, naval and military warfare... D&D has content in its rulebooks that doesnt belong to WOTC. And thats important because the comic book industry had a little problem where a number of its superheroes were not created by employees, but rather by outsiders who had signed contracts for the use of their creative content. The comic industry was forced to pay royalties. That rule applies to submissions to Dragon Magazine. WOTC owes back royalties to all those creatives whose ideas they farmed for inclusion in new versions of D&D.

  • @CrashCraftLabs
    @CrashCraftLabs Год назад +2

    yup and like most corps they steal from their customers and claim it as their own... 90% of dnd 5e was taken from homebrew material, wizards did not come up with it... they are worse then disney when it comes to that

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      Jesus christ! Do you have articles or sources? I'd love to read into this more

    • @CrashCraftLabs
      @CrashCraftLabs Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi man its been done over and over throught that last 20 years i been playin. i wish i would have recorded all the fan sites with the rules 5e now has, but they are not even online anymore. many were sued and shut down so wizards could claim copy right on some of them. thats the sad part, had we known how they were gonna be we would have kept better records haha. lessons learn and now all my homebrew material is saves online in cloud incase they try to steal my stuff like the race/moster creator i have that uses a point system to make them. and subclasses for classes like my ooze druid (tho its just a modified version of someone elses so meh). what i can say is i know for a fact the flanking optional rule in 5e was stolen from fans from 4e.
      im sure "consiracies" can be found online tho, btu ihavent looked at any of them in some time...

  • @DarkCT
    @DarkCT Год назад +1

    there will always be defenders of a company, no matter how openly scummy they are, even to their own medium or userbase.
    this infuriates me, not just for modern works as ive met people who produce books under the OGL, but i happen to still play mostly in 3.5 and Pathfinder 1E, so im very much concerned about whether or not an attack on the archives i use involving homebrew and fanworks are about to be under threat or not.
    This move by WOTC is worse than what ive seen from certain companies in gaming- if it has the worst possible impacts, it beats Nintendos nonsense that had a hand in helping make Sony so far as i understood that situation. it has worse impacts then when GW tried to quash fan creations, just because of the expanded scope. People need to get it through their heads that especially when it comes to the entertainment medium theres always a portion who will run to defend the company quite literally trying to flay them for pennies, even as they are being insulted by the company in question and they need to stop.
    They are reaplacable, and these people could find better. WOTC is making an abject mockery of both magic and D&D at the same time, and guess what? if this gets any level of traction, it's gonna get even worse. they fully intend on milking ALL their players, not just the DMs. it's madness, and deserves to be left behind.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      I legit couldn't have predicted they'd upend 20 years of gaming. It's insane

    • @DarkCT
      @DarkCT Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi Insanity is a new standard. you also wouldn't expect so many industries to be badmouthing long term fans of their respective properties, but here we are.
      Theres a reason i consider 5e to be a blight, and it looks like in the development for the functional 6e it's only getting worse. i already gained nothing from the simplified games of more modern tabletop. i got even less when they started gutting their own lore and insulting longer term fans. this? this probably should have been predicted.

  • @benjaminmatheny6683
    @benjaminmatheny6683 Год назад +9

    yeah, any good will I had for WOTC was killed off the gate with the 4th edition dnd launch. I had started right as the tail end of 3.5, my group had most of the books. Going from a system with so much depth and variety to one trying to replicate World of Warcraft was a clear indicator WOTC didn't have my interests at heart.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      They won't. Their greatest trick is convincing people they do.

  • @peterclaymore2239
    @peterclaymore2239 Год назад +2

    WotC makes me mad too.

  • @beancounter2185
    @beancounter2185 Год назад +4

    Thanks for this! I'm so sick and tired of the WoTC fan boys who will excuse or defend them no matter what. I've seen this type of behavior/blind loyalty in some PC gamers as well, and it's just sad.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      I'm here to be angry with and for you

  • @tawesssoabbox
    @tawesssoabbox Год назад +1

    As your thumbnail said... Hasbro is a company, they will do what they can to make the most money, Why would a company that as you say was the architect of the MtG 30th leave money on the table. Most people i have seen are not defending them as much as "we expected this shit to be way way worse." Because, if they took such a huge gamble with the golden goose that is MtG... The DnD customer base have no real input on the development. I think most peopel are just happy there even is a OGL still because i know many who thought it was gong away entirely. Not saying we should not make a stink about it, just that in the end most will probably go the Exandria route of making 1DnD adjacent products instead of of 1DnD products.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      Ngl if you look in these comments there are ppl actually defending this. You can find em here, on Twitter, on Facebook. People honestly legitimately defending wotcs right to do this.

  • @treed6038
    @treed6038 Год назад +2

    I love this. You rock, Di!

  • @zacharyharwell351
    @zacharyharwell351 Год назад +2

    Yeah calling it fearmongering is too extreme. Always question your sources, but there is a massive gap between "Damn, that's really concerning I should look into that more" and "Damn, that's concerning but it's probably not true"
    This has the potential to collapse a HUGE amount of the current TTRPG space depending on where litigation lands, so yeah it's a wee bit alarming
    Edi: addition - Let's not forget that Hasbro/WotC basically tried to copyright rolling dice once. That'd be like Jell-o trying to copyright all desserts for those who don't get the significance of that.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      It happened with 4e. I'm ready to see it with 6th

  • @obsessivelooter3573
    @obsessivelooter3573 Год назад +2

    PREACH SISTER PREACH!!

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      i've never ranted this hard in a hot minute

  • @MegaApostel
    @MegaApostel Год назад +1

    i’m here listening 👂

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      thanks for listening ; - ; sorry it's all angy

  • @129das
    @129das Год назад +1

    Also I agree do not defend WotC on this.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      wotc doesnt need ANYONE to defend them

  • @kyrnsword72
    @kyrnsword72 Год назад +1

    WOTC trying to monopolize ttrpg's and video gaming industries. F WOTC! Ttrpg hobbyists are moving on to other systems and the 1 I love is called
    D100 Dungeon by
    Martin Knight!

  • @kitkup8570
    @kitkup8570 Год назад

    WotC is not a company I trust anyway, DnD 5e is almost 100% kept going through homebrew, most of that homebrew is changing the most basic rules.
    Meaning we're already doing all the work, so they are the least important part of the game.

  • @StopCopCity1312
    @StopCopCity1312 Год назад +4

    Preach.
    D&D isn't even that good of a roleplaying game anyways.
    90% of the system and mechanics revolve around combat and the DM is expected to do all of the preparation and work.
    Drama System, Fate Core and Burning Wheel if you want actual empathy play. The first two are free and easy to find online.
    There's the simplified version of BW called Hot Circle. The PDF is online somewhere.
    You can learn to play the original game eventually from tutorials. Just find character sheets, dice and/or do it yourself.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      there's so so so many good rpgs right now! ; w ;

    • @madengineerkyouma
      @madengineerkyouma Год назад +3

      And if someone wants something that is very similar to D&D but with at least SOME focus on non combat stuff, there's always Fantasy Craft that has whole classes with a strong focus on social skills, exploration, etc.

  • @ccggenius
    @ccggenius Год назад

    Who thought it was to prevent Hasbro fuckery? The OGL was created entirely because it was the easiest way to claim and maintain market share. Why make your own system when you can crank out a splatbook for D&D? The thing is, other companies were ONLY doing that because it was free to do. The second daddy Hasbro shows up with their hand out like that meme of the Victorian tax collector, they'll move on to a company that DOES still allow them to do it for free. For fucks sake, WENDY'S gave out a free RPG system, Hasbro doesn't have a monopoly (ironic, given they have THE Monopoly).

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      The exact wording however, from the "perpetual use" and the "you can use ANY authorized version of the license" is what leads people to believe that the ppl already working on it realized hasbro were going to abuse their position so, on their way out, wrote a license that would start said open gaming renaissance.
      Why explicitly have a section stating "if there's ever an update you don't like, you can just use a past version of this, aite? :^)"

  • @theofficerfactory2625
    @theofficerfactory2625 Год назад +1

    What do you expect of WOTC CEO who is from Microsoft? Or is it Hasbro's CEO who is from Microsoft? One of the two is. They'll change their minds when profits drop. Hello Pathfinder.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      whether or not i expect anything good or bad, i'm criticizing the act that's happening, which is mega shiiiiit.

    • @Lepidoptera666
      @Lepidoptera666 Год назад

      Hasbro CEO Chris Cocks, WotC President Cynthia W Williams, and DND VP Dan Rawson, are all from Microsoft video games.
      look up GLEEMAX and the murder-suicide of the developer and his wife, the Battens, Joseph and Melissa i think, from 2008 when Hasbro tried this with dnd last time.

  • @July_Wave
    @July_Wave Год назад +2

    Don't sell yourself short. You're worth more than $100k to shut up and stop spitting facts.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      You're right.
      Dear Wizards of thr Coast: that previous offer has been deauthorized. I'll shut up for 20 million.

  • @rebaxbayushi577
    @rebaxbayushi577 Год назад +2

    Well, to be fair, wotc have been going downhill for a while now. D&D 4th edition was hated by the vast majority of players, D&D 5th edition is liked for it's mechanics by a lot of people, reviled by another big chunk of it and there are some controversial decisions and messages the company did post that really ruffled a lot of feathers.
    I mean, when they agreed orcs were just bad black stereotypes, that sounded awfully racist to a lot of the fanbase. Orcs were never seen as black people, they were always orcs, just like elves aren't seen as any kind of color, they are elves and that's it. When they injected race in all of that, it was a clear sign the company was going in the wrong direction for many people, and once they start going that direction, it won't take that long untill they start going under. Sure, it didn't happen up to now, but if we look at Marvel, DC comics, Netflix or Disney, it didn't happen as soon as they started pushing politics in their mediums either, it took some time and now, they are bleeding money.
    Them being greedy and wanting to take as much money as fast as possible might indicate those numbers ar starting to go down and they want to milk the franchise for all it's worth before they lose everything.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Except they aren't bleeding money. 2021 showed 6.4b in revenue, with 2022 looking to be even more once the Q4 comes out.
      As greedy fucks as they are, wotc is just too big to fail.

    • @rebaxbayushi577
      @rebaxbayushi577 Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi That's exactly what I said. I said it isn't happening to them up until now, but it will most certainly happen soon.
      And no, they aren't too big to fail. By that logic, DC comics, Netflix, Marvel and Disney (my 4 examples in my opening comment) would have been too big to fail, but they are emoraging money and are fast going under and have been for a number of years already. A company is never too big to fail, once they lost too much trust from their consommers, they always go under. I mean, look at Blizzard, they were a juggernaut in the gaming industry and they are also going under at the moment.
      Do not be mistaken, when they start pushing their politics into peoples escapism and start charging them way too much for their real product's value, they will most certainly fail. It'll take some time, but it will happens.

    • @KingZNIN
      @KingZNIN Год назад

      @@rebaxbayushi577 I don't remember them saying orcs are black people, but I did see them say vistani used a lot of negative stereotypes for Romani/Gypsy people.
      I did see them also say not all orcs are evil.

    • @rebaxbayushi577
      @rebaxbayushi577 Год назад

      @@KingZNIN They didn't say it outright, that's true, but implied it very heavily. They changed how orcs are handled in the lore after they saw someone make a stink on twitter and reddits about how orcs are just bad blacks stereotype and have acknowledge said post. With everything they were already doing with Magic the Gathering, it doesn't take a genius to put 2 and 2 together, they are getting more and more political in their IPs.

  • @mcpizda403
    @mcpizda403 Год назад +1

    wotc and dnd starts to have the same problems as games workshop and warhammer

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      I need to learn more about that tbh. I'm told there's a lot of parallels

    • @mcpizda403
      @mcpizda403 Год назад +2

      @@dicequeenDi being warhammer player's hard. dont wish the same fate for u dnd guys. we cant even have our critical role casue of some policys of GW

    • @christianlangdon3766
      @christianlangdon3766 Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi I mean there was a giant scourge of content becouse gw released their own streaming so they hard cut on all other forms of media made by fans. Along with much more harsher monetization practices. Imagine a players handbook that was outdated the day it comes out but you still paid top dollar for it. Oh and a digital app that from what I know still doesn't work. Btw that app is now the only digital format for the books. Which has made pirating more common than buying customers.

  • @punpundit5590
    @punpundit5590 Год назад +3

    Simp for vtubers, not WotC/Hasbro

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      :^) I've got a membership button right there

  • @PatriceBoivin
    @PatriceBoivin Год назад +1

    I'm old played AD&D 1979-1986 or so. To me WotC is not part of D&D at all, they didn't create it, they just bought it to make money. I never liked Magic The Gathering so I guess I never liked that company. Greedy opportunists, seems to me. Sucks the life out of games when companies don't care but only want money, like parasites.

    • @PatriceBoivin
      @PatriceBoivin Год назад

      We stopped playing when 2e books started appearing, an obvious money grab by TSR while Gary Gygax seemed to have been shoved to the side.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      Parasites is a good one tbh. Tho ngl, 3.0/3.5 was super fire. But past that they've been grabbing at money sacks

  • @giuliama112
    @giuliama112 Год назад

    I can't believe people are defending a corp that is trying to steal the work of 3rd parties, has no appreciation for it's fans ans it's creators and it's trying to be quirky about their acts.

  • @theprinceofawesomeness
    @theprinceofawesomeness Год назад +1

    Never liked WotC nor 5e. I was absolutaly in love with 3e and later Pathfinder both 1 and 2 e. The only reason why i play 5e is becouse my gaming group are 5e lovers

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +2

      I love those too as well! 5e is just what everyone's playing nowadays > _>

  • @DOOMsword7
    @DOOMsword7 Год назад +1

    Yeah and Critical Role and Paizo don’t need to be defended either imo. All the people making millions on 3rd party DnD are big business in my mind. They’ll shift production costs to cover royalties.
    This is a lot of fear mongering in my mind. The cottage community of small creators are going to be fine

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Check out the 2nd video tho

    • @DOOMsword7
      @DOOMsword7 Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi I did! Even if it is as bad as the leaks suggest (and I think it’s still being hashed out so who knows how much of this is final) it’s still just a problem for the big boys.
      If hobbyists don’t want WotC to mess with their homebrew they won’t publish for DnD! They’ll use a smaller system like Apocalypse or something. DnD is where the big money is. It makes sense that WotC wants more money/control at this stage.
      I mean, Matt Mercer can fork over a couple 100k and he’ll be just fine. The rest of us keep making our small HB

  • @adamjchafe
    @adamjchafe Год назад

    A corporation is trying to monetize your imagination. You literally don't need anything from any company to play D&D. People need to stop wating for "official rulings" and books to tell them how to play a game with friends that is 90% made up in the hours spent at the table.
    It's nice to support smaller companies and creators though. If you are going to spend money send it their way instead.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Except the OGL 1.1 isn't about the people playing it and more about the people creating it. It's about the ppl that have gone all in as a game studio to make 5e content. It's about the ppl that have used the OGL to make great works/derivatives that are now under attack (Paizo w/Pathfinder, Green Ronin w/Fantasy AGE, Kobold Press). It's about a corporation owning any and ALL works anyone that does D&D content makes.
      It's not about the players. The players will be fine. But without the OGL 1.0 we'd have a far less diverse choice of rpgs and its narcissistic to not see the damage it'll cause.

    • @adamjchafe
      @adamjchafe Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi I fully agree with you. Sorry if I came off snarky at all.
      It sucks A LOT to see what certain medium sized companies and smaller creators are going to have to deal with, and it's all down to corporate greed plain and simple.
      I am a huge fan of Old School Essentials and the OSR gaming community; a lot of people there are going to be impacted negatively even though they are creating totally unique and non-d&d derivative works outside the OGL or games that are based on the older retro editions.
      I just hope this issue turns out to be a bad move on Hasbro's part, and we see their cultural monopoly get broken up so that creators can still be successful without having to attach themselves to a single game system. I think the world is heading in a pretty anti-capitalist direction (To a point) so this might add fuel to the fire among the hobby. Give me five or ten more success stories like Pathfinder!

  • @TheArthimes
    @TheArthimes Год назад

    Love u

  • @triomegazero
    @triomegazero Год назад +2

    Based Di

  • @ObliviousNaga
    @ObliviousNaga Год назад +1

    Who's defending them? Must be bots

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      From actual defense, to inaction or a refusal to take a stance, they're there

  • @grayrook8637
    @grayrook8637 Год назад +4

    All true, corporations do not need us to help them only scrutinize them. Speaking of scrutiny though people should be aware and critical of the entire premise of this and all other videos and writing concerning any thing like this or really anything at all. RUclips is a profit driven platform and so are all other platforms where most things like this are posted. Di mentions being critical of our news sources. Take this a level deeper, be cognizant that where honest public forums and conversation ends and the capitalist identity of corporate society begins are increasingly blurred. This is not a criticism on anyone, just be aware that capitalism can monetize ANYTHING and apply that awareness when engaging with our world. Though on the other side remember people also exist behind every corporate entity. I could go on forever but simply put our world's systems are complex and critical thinking is important, so is distance as Di says above. Don't defend corporations unless you are part of them.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад

      honestly i really appreciate this look into this. legit, capitalism is a scourge and we need to be aware of all the bullshit that'll come to us

    • @grayrook8637
      @grayrook8637 Год назад

      @@dicequeenDi almost frustrating how actually hard it is to engage with this thinking. As my professor once put it systemic society is like explaining water to a fish. But as ever awareness is the first step, great video to bring that awareness to others. Hope for more.

  • @129das
    @129das Год назад +1

    Hello dice queen

  • @Lepidoptera666
    @Lepidoptera666 Год назад +1

    #BoycottHonorAmongThieves

  • @sumdude4281
    @sumdude4281 Год назад +1

    NOTC's suck.

  • @NageIfar
    @NageIfar Год назад +1

    Being cautious/sounding the alarm before and after this newest leak are two very different things.
    Let's not pretend all of the first concerns/statements about this issue had the same legitimacy back then as they do now. They were worrying but not yet confirmed/collaborated enough to be treated as facts. And a lot of posts/videos that leaned more on the clickbait and purely speculative side poisoned the water.
    Now, the landscape of the issue has completely changed. While some people definitely get to say "Told ya!" it's not justified to retroactively bash all pushback/caution/skepticism. Not saying you/everyone did, but some are already touting how obvious every single detail of this thing was from the very start.
    It was not.

    • @dicequeenDi
      @dicequeenDi  Год назад +1

      Honestly??? It really wasn't. Late December I ran a stream where me and the viewers would think up all the shittiest, funniest ways wotc could monetize and ruin themselves.
      In nearly 200 suggestions literally NO ONE predicted "what if they just... overturned a 20yr old license protecting Open Gaming?"

    • @nevisysbryd7450
      @nevisysbryd7450 Год назад +1

      @@dicequeenDi Seriously? I called this the first day ONED&D was announced. I find it disappointing if no one else really saw it coming.
      All this talk about them openly going after Paizo... I doubt it. All they need to do is create their walled garden and restrict genuine competitors from using ONED&D and they will monopolize the lion's share of the ttrpg playerbase. No need to directly attack other major systems if they can implement a denial of service without pushing away too much of the audience.