2014 Explorer Sunshade Initialization or Reset

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  • How to re-initialize, program, or reset the power sunroof shade on a 2014 Ford Explorer. Should work on other year models with this same switch setup
    Here's how to replace the sunroof motor. This works for the shade motor as well, it's just on the right side instead of the left, it's an identical process:
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    How to clear the sunroof drains that cause a water leak and the motor to fail:
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  • @Jeffangable
    @Jeffangable 4 месяца назад +3

    The standard all RUclips mechanics should aspire to. A problem that’s been plaguing my friend for a month solved by a 4 minute RUclips video where the solution was EXACTLY what needed to be done with clear instructions. 10/10 would watch next time something breaks but isn’t really broken.

  • @robertrice2811
    @robertrice2811 Год назад +3

    Worked on our 2011, be patient when waiting for the slide to go back, it will. Took us 2 trys 🤟

  • @beatrizsambolin7551
    @beatrizsambolin7551 6 месяцев назад +2

    I must thank you so damn much for this step by step video ❤😅 I’ve been having my sunroof shade stocked for MONTHS now & I wasn’t able to figure it out 😊😅 thank you again and please keep making this content ❤❤

  • @Youthman
    @Youthman Месяц назад

    Thank you for the easy, step-by-step instructions. Recently my wife said she opened the door and the sunroof shade opened 1/2 way and would not close. With your instructions, I was able to get it to close again. But even after reprogramming it, if I open the shade 1/2 way, it will not close again unless I do the programming again. Any suggestions on why this is happening? The other two sunroof buttons are not working either. I'm about to search online to see what might be the cause.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@Youthman the sunroof is not quite shut. If the shade motor thinks it's not fully shut it won't close but halfway. Your motor is probably bad for the sunroof due to a water leak

    • @Youthman
      @Youthman Месяц назад

      @@SealofPerfection Thanks. I just watched your other videos about the motor and you are likely correct that the motor is fried because we get MASSIVE water pouring into the floorboard when it rains. I'll order a new motor today. Thank you for making this series.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@Youthman make sure you don't get an aftermarket motor. They have issues programming a lot of the time. Be sure to get an oem. Sunroof Doctor has them and they have the best price that I have seen

  • @JD704.
    @JD704. Год назад +2

    Dude,THANK YOU!!!! I tried everything. Hit the subscribe button and notifications.

  • @Stonedmafiaco
    @Stonedmafiaco 7 месяцев назад +1

    Fck YEAHH !!! Man U just fixed my problem right now 03/01/2024 @ 9:01 pm. Was about to pay someone big money , also replaced the motor before this

  • @1000yearz
    @1000yearz 8 месяцев назад +1

    Dude!!! Thank you sooooo much!! Life-saver man. Truly

  • @TheRealDeBoe
    @TheRealDeBoe Месяц назад

    Thanks man , I'm still going to get it checked out. I'll never get another sunroof vehicle. More problems than good

  • @jareed505
    @jareed505 Год назад +1

    Are you kidding me?? Been driving my 16' like that since I bought it 6 mo ago and that beating sun's been driving me nuts these hot summer months..Your a blessing brother. Thank you!

  • @foster88888
    @foster88888 Год назад +1

    Hey man. Mine fully cycles after resetting it, but the moment I open it half way and try to close it, the issue repeats itself. Any idea on the issue? It’s a pain to have to reset it every single time I open the moonroof.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Motor might be bad. All the circuitry is inside the motor if it will not stay programmed that is probably the issue

  • @lukefennacy6755
    @lukefennacy6755 4 месяца назад

    This playlist was perfect in helping me replace my motors and stop the problem from happening again (snip the drain line exit). I bought the A-Premium off amazon, and although it fits and works for the slide, it won't tilt and therefore and it won't program. I think I recall the creator, or other, mentioning that MotorCraft (OEM: MM-1038) is a better motor that IS PROGRAMABLE. Any other brands you know of that can be used AND programmed? Thanks in advance

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  4 месяца назад +1

      Someone commented here and claimed that they bought a motor from AutoZone I think it was, and even though it was supposedly an aftermarket motor it had the OEM sticker on it

  • @timothyjernigan6774
    @timothyjernigan6774 Год назад +1

    Man you the best thanks bro 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾

  • @VanessaMartinez-mc2jx
    @VanessaMartinez-mc2jx Год назад +1

    You're great , thank you for your help.

  • @davidretro2218
    @davidretro2218 5 месяцев назад

    I have a question I have recently purchased a 2016 explorer with dual moon roofs just like this one in the video and I’m wondering is the rear (back moon roof) suppose to open like the glass slide and be fully open ???

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  5 месяцев назад

      No the back glass is fixed and does not move

  • @davisthompson3710
    @davisthompson3710 Месяц назад

    This procedure did work, but after i went to open it again it would only close halfway. My sunroof is also not working. I checked with a meter and have 12V for operation of slide but only 9V for operation of tilt and sunroof.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@davisthompson3710 your motor is probably going bad due to a water leak. Very common

  • @codyarchambault2323
    @codyarchambault2323 4 месяца назад

    After completing the initialization/reset, my shade fully opened and fully closed after reset. When I open it again after the reset, I can still only get it to close half way and my glass will not open or tilt. Anybody have any ideas?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  4 месяца назад +1

      The glass motor went bad. Most likely due to a water leak from the sunroof drains. And the shade won't close more than halfway because the glass is just shy of being fully closed

  • @kevinpadgett2563
    @kevinpadgett2563 2 месяца назад

    Is it necessary to have both motors working in order for either to work. Swapped shade motor with roof motor. Ran the initialization and went as shown in other video. The roof motor was burned up. After initialization the sunroof still doesn’t work but I only have the sun roof motor installed.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  2 месяца назад

      @@kevinpadgett2563 they both have to be hooked up, they don't necessarily have to operate. Generally the way I diagnose whether the sunroof motor is bad is if the shade works but the sunroof will not work at all.
      But both need to be plugged in

  • @josecustodio8348
    @josecustodio8348 3 месяца назад

    Thank you very much it worked on mine🙏

  • @CEOADVENTUREZ
    @CEOADVENTUREZ Год назад +1

    Thank god this works 🤞🏽

  • @johnweidman7914
    @johnweidman7914 2 месяца назад

    My sunshade is stuck closed How can I initiate it that way on a 2017 explorer

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  2 месяца назад

      Just try the pull/release/pull of the button from that point and see if you can "trick" it into doing the procedure.

  • @jesshoneyman5589
    @jesshoneyman5589 Месяц назад

    Thank you it really helps me now

  • @AZULJP27
    @AZULJP27 7 месяцев назад +1

    thank you it helped me

  • @Hi-Dee111
    @Hi-Dee111 4 месяца назад

    WOW!! I'm so happy right now. It worked for my 2015 Explorer!! I was so frustrated for months and months and with heading into summer I needed it closed. Thank you so so much for taking the time to publish this video.

  • @anawt1
    @anawt1 5 месяцев назад

    THANK YOU!!!! I just bought a 2019 & the dealer replaced the battery prior to me picking it up & my darn sunshade would pop open every time I tried to close it! This worked like a charm!

  • @mohammedhashim4787
    @mohammedhashim4787 Месяц назад

    I get my glass not working it was working my son I didn’t know what he did so what is happening

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      Your sunroof motor has probably failed due to a water leak xaused by the sunroof drains being stopped up

  • @terereyes8120
    @terereyes8120 Месяц назад

    Thank u so much i just bought this car and i thought i was gonna have to spend alot of money fixing this and it only took watching ur video. Thank u very much for sharing❤❤❤

  • @nicos514
    @nicos514 Год назад +1

    Got the screen closed but the sunroof still does not function

    • @juanpichardo303
      @juanpichardo303 Год назад +1

      Same, replaced a blown fuse and only shade is half closing

    • @nicos514
      @nicos514 Год назад

      @@juanpichardo303 does water leak in during rain?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Generally if the shade moves but the glass doesn't, the motor is bad due to water intrusion from clogged sunroof drains.
      I have videos on how to repair all of that.
      And I'm sorry that RUclips didn't notify me of your comments or I would have responded faster. Only reason I see them now is I went to the video manually and saw them.

  • @juanp9178
    @juanp9178 Месяц назад

    This really worked! I was about to pull the headliner down but didn’t have to after I saw your video, it did worked thank you sir!!!

  • @johnweidman7914
    @johnweidman7914 2 месяца назад

    12:00 My moonroof headliner is stuck shut How do I initiate it?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  2 месяца назад

      @@johnweidman7914 you mean the shade? This procedure is for the shade. I also have one for the glass if that's your problem

  • @curtcoughlin1928
    @curtcoughlin1928 5 месяцев назад

    Perfect……thank you!

  • @864Kebo
    @864Kebo 18 дней назад

    After I double pull mine when it closes it doesn’t reopen

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  18 дней назад

      @@864Kebo have you just replaced the motor? Or is it the original

  • @SealofPerfection
    @SealofPerfection  Год назад

    See description for the reset/programming for the sunroof itself, and how to replace the sunroof motor.

  • @grandpanero7284
    @grandpanero7284 7 месяцев назад

    Thanks. Pls what if it won't move at all?? Initially it was moving and always stopped half way but after removing the switch it doesn't longer moving

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  7 месяцев назад +1

      The motor is probably bad due to a water leak from the sunroof drains

    • @grandpanero7284
      @grandpanero7284 7 месяцев назад

      @@SealofPerfection thanks. I tested the motor with ground wire and it was moving fully back and half way as It was initially working or, is there another motor to move it from the half way to the full?? On the diagram showing only 2 motor. One for the glass and one motor works for the shade. The glass did not open at all but I don't care about that tho. Still need more settings???

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  7 месяцев назад

      @@grandpanero7284 If the shade motor works, but the glass doesn't then the glass motor is bad, and it's almost always due to the water leak caused by the sunroof drains.
      I have videos for both fixing the leak and replacing the motor.

  • @DirtyDave7
    @DirtyDave7 Месяц назад

    When programming I can get the front to close but it must not be saving the program. When I try to test it out still stops half way. Any ideas?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@DirtyDave7 what stops halfway, the glass or the shade?

    • @DirtyDave7
      @DirtyDave7 Месяц назад

      @SealofPerfection shade still stops half way. The glass doesn't move at all. But when in programming mode I'm able to get slide closed all the way

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад +1

      @@DirtyDave7 okay the shade stops halfway because the shade motor thinks that the glass is not fully closed.
      So most likely you have a bad sunroof motor due to the water leak

  • @EDCExplained
    @EDCExplained Месяц назад

    Ive done this, it shuts all the way but then next time i go to do it I need to reset it all over again.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      Motor might be going bad. All the circuitry and "programming" is inside of it.

    • @EDCExplained
      @EDCExplained Месяц назад

      @@SealofPerfection it started doing it after I took the fuses out to check them bc my glass wouldnt open. I probably messed something up lol

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@EDCExplained you most likely have a little bit of a water leak in the water is getting into the motor. That is very common

  • @markymark34
    @markymark34 Год назад

    Hopefully you are still around to help here…I have a 2013 Explorer sunroof motor that burned out. Replaced the motor and tried calibrating. Wasn’t working then noticed the guide rails were uneven making the sunroof crooked. I removed the glass to take a closer look but seems like I need the motor to spin the opposite way to even then out…if that makes sense. Any ideas to try?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Did they get that way when you had the motor loose?
      If so, do this: Drop the motor a bit so the gear is disengaged from the cables.
      Then line up the guides. They will move independently when the gear isn't in place.
      Tighten the motor, and perform the initialization again. Hopefully the track itself isn't broken.

  • @EnriqueHernandez-et9le
    @EnriqueHernandez-et9le 3 месяца назад

    Buen vidio lo logre

  • @corywekerle6862
    @corywekerle6862 8 месяцев назад

    Does this work if the glass part is stuck open?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  8 месяцев назад

      It might, but a lot of the times on these if that's the case the motor has gone bad due to a water leak. I have a video on how to fix the water leak and how to replace the motor

  • @mattress1982
    @mattress1982 22 дня назад

    Replaced the sunroof motor twice on our 2015 and it still won't function correctly. It moved up and down some but it won't open and close. I tried the reset several times. Any ideas?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  22 дня назад

      @@mattress1982 Ford motor or aftermarket?

    • @mattress1982
      @mattress1982 22 дня назад

      @@SealofPerfectionit was from ebay but was fomoco

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  22 дня назад

      @@mattress1982 and it went through the programming procedure fine, but will not retain it?

    • @mattress1982
      @mattress1982 22 дня назад

      @@SealofPerfectionno only acts like it's going to tilt up and down but it only moves like a half inch

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  22 дня назад +1

      @@mattress1982 track might be broken then. My next step would be to pull the glass, drop the motor and try to operate it manually and see if it moves freely or not

  • @rontariogreene
    @rontariogreene Месяц назад

    Had an issue this morning opened shade and it would only close half way. I didn’t know what was going on. Googled and this RUclips video presented itself and boom. Worked. Thanks.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад +1

      @@rontariogreene great to hear. Keep an eye on that sunroof operation. The motor might be about to fail

  • @jake9962
    @jake9962 Год назад

    Thank You for this video… I have replaced both sunshade and window motors, fuse, and just now, the switch. Still nothing. Any idea what this could be? I appreciate your videos.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      That's strange. Did you use Ford motors or aftermarket? I've heard of quite a few aftermarket motors that would not initialize.
      What was the initial reason that you replaced all of that?

  • @antoineaustin9063
    @antoineaustin9063 Год назад

    Please forgive me if this is a dumb question, but is the motor that controls this the same motor that controls the tilt of the sunroof? I asked because my sunroof is stuck Open and I can't close it no matter how many times I push the tilt button. But the shade can be programmed and it works fine. Is that common? Is there a way to reprogram the tilt functioning of the sunroof? Thanks!

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      It is the same motor. Most likely your motor is bad due to a water leak and water got in the motor and killed it.

  • @RetNavyWife
    @RetNavyWife 10 месяцев назад

    Mine wont work :( it rained and water went thru it😢

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  10 месяцев назад

      That means your sunroof motor is probably bad. I have a linked video in the description of how to repair the leak. The sunroof drains get stopped up and the water spills into the motor and kills it.
      I also have a video on how to replace the motor

  • @whatapane1
    @whatapane1 Год назад +1

    It worked!! My sun shade was stuck half open and now it's fully closed. Thank you!

  • @joshwezesa
    @joshwezesa Год назад

    The panorama and sunroof shades in my explorer are stuck open. I have the same button console. No matter how long I hold the button down nothing happens. I can hear a click in the sunroof area when I press the shade button but that's it

  • @gatorgirl917
    @gatorgirl917 Год назад

    THANK YOU!!! I had this happen to me yesterday morning and didn't know what to do. I came across your video and IT WORKED!!! Thank you so much🥰

  • @jefftowell
    @jefftowell 5 месяцев назад

    Thank you, it worked for a 2016.

  • @jacksonh.7
    @jacksonh.7 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you so much man been driving without the sun visor in the front forever

  • @Aaron_Davis
    @Aaron_Davis Год назад

    Mine got stuck half way open, and stayed that way for several months before I finally looked up this video. I got it to close, and it performed exactly as described in the video all the way up until the very end. Can’t get it to fully function. It just goes back to being half open. I haven’t opened the glass since this problem began around a year ago. Because it was warm today I attempted to open it, and that isn’t opening either. So I think I have a much bigger problem

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад +1

      Motor might be bad. The sunroof drains get blocked and the water spills into the motor. It has to be replaced to fix it totally, assuming that's what is wrong.

    • @Aaron_Davis
      @Aaron_Davis Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection thanks

  • @Mattea68
    @Mattea68 10 месяцев назад

    how do you slide the shade before opening the sunroof? there are 3 overhead buttons on the upper console

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  10 месяцев назад

      There are two separate buttons, one for the shade and one for the sunroof. Usually the shade still works and the sunroof doesn't

  • @capiberra4118
    @capiberra4118 Год назад

    Very helpful video, thanks!

  • @rjakiel73
    @rjakiel73 Месяц назад

    I love the video series. One problem is that no matter how many times I reinitialize the shade it wont stick. After its done will open one touch half, one touch full. One touch close half and that's it. It will never close past half no matter what.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@rjakiel73 does the glass work

    • @rjakiel73
      @rjakiel73 Месяц назад

      ​@@SealofPerfectionso here's the funny part. New motor for the glass and it works fine without the glass in place. Put in new glass and the glass motor stops working and won't initialize. Take glass out and the glass motor works fine. F*cking Ford... 😂

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@rjakiel73 is it a Ford motor or aftermarket?

    • @rjakiel73
      @rjakiel73 Месяц назад

      @@SealofPerfection oem

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Месяц назад

      @@rjakiel73 so will it not even budge when you install the glass?

  • @IR8PIR8
    @IR8PIR8 Год назад

    This is a great video. I am hearing a clicking from either side of the same overhead console. Do you think a reset like this would work or are they shot?

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      It is possible. However, water intrusion does kill the sunroof motor quite frequently on these. Does the shade still work?

    • @IR8PIR8
      @IR8PIR8 Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection Last time I tried both went back but none came forward till I shut engine off then back on. Have not tried it since bc I have no garage to keep it under.

  • @jwfabworks3141
    @jwfabworks3141 Год назад

    Just put two new motors in my 2013. The sunroof moved as well as the sunscreen. Now the sunroof doesn’t work again and the sunscreen only goes passed the moon roof about 6 inches and stops. The reset procedure doesn’t work.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Factory motors or aftermarket?

    • @jwfabworks3141
      @jwfabworks3141 Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection one is aftermarket the other is factory. I got the sunroof to tilt a couple times but only in the reset procedure. Does it once and then won’t do it again. Until I try the cycle over.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад +1

      @@jwfabworks3141 I've seen quite a few folks have trouble getting the aftermarket motors to initialize. Plus, factory and aftermarket is a bad combo as well.
      If you have the old factory motors, I'd put your new factory one in the sunroof glass spot, and the old one in for the shade, and see if the glass will initialize then.
      You don't even need to install the shade motor, just plug it in.

    • @jwfabworks3141
      @jwfabworks3141 Год назад

      I’m going to pull it all back apart tomorrow and see what I can figure out. That sunscreen will close fully. Hit the button and it will stop half way. Hit it again and it slides about 6 inches passed the moonroof and stops. I may stop it there before I pull it apart then pull the motor out and try to manually open the screen all the way up.

  • @adamhg985
    @adamhg985 11 месяцев назад

    Thanks this is what I needed!

  • @citlallyrv22
    @citlallyrv22 8 месяцев назад

    Siempre me funciona 🎉

  • @kajuanliggins6522
    @kajuanliggins6522 10 месяцев назад

    Thank you ❤

  • @ivanmendez7594
    @ivanmendez7594 Год назад

    Mi tela de quemacocos está colgada de la parte trasera que podría ser ??

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      If the shade is hanging down, and you the the cloth power shade, then the shade itself is damage and likely will need to be replaced.

  • @thisguyrighthere142
    @thisguyrighthere142 Год назад

    Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!! The last pull it's all the way closed I'm sooooooo happy you made my day

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Put some tape over the switch so nobody opens it again. It probably needs a motor due to water intrusion.

  • @fogit4668
    @fogit4668 Год назад

    Thank you.

  • @ricsuyman
    @ricsuyman Год назад

    Big help! Thanks

  • @madellynbenitez4667
    @madellynbenitez4667 Год назад

    my roof does not open and does not close it could be a ford explorer 2011

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад +1

      If the shade works, then the sunroof motor is bad due to a water leak most likely

    • @madellynbenitez4667
      @madellynbenitez4667 Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection oh I understand thank you very much for explaining I appreciate it

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      @@madellynbenitez4667 I have a video of in the description on how to replace the motor

  • @fogit4668
    @fogit4668 Год назад

    On my 5th time and it still will not work after I turn it off.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Sounds like the motor is bad. All the circuitry and "module" stuff is inside the motor. If it won't retain that initialization, its "memory" might be bad.

    • @fogit4668
      @fogit4668 Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection On the 6th try it started to work.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      @@fogit4668 they are weird like that sometimes

  • @richardgarcia8633
    @richardgarcia8633 Год назад

    Gracias 😁 funciona

  • @ClubJ-J
    @ClubJ-J Год назад

    Y para programar el de la ventanilla como es?

  • @magege2756
    @magege2756 Год назад

    Thanks a lot it working

  • @ДмитрийМОСКАЛЕНКО-х2б

    Please....from MKX 2016....

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Same thing as an edge. I have a video for it.

    • @ДмитрийМОСКАЛЕНКО-х2б
      @ДмитрийМОСКАЛЕНКО-х2б Год назад

      Link to video, please.))))

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад +1

      @@ДмитрийМОСКАЛЕНКО-х2б Depends on your switch setup. Look at these, and use the one that has the same buttons as yours does
      ruclips.net/video/4FFyIHxwSA8/видео.html

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад +1

      @@ДмитрийМОСКАЛЕНКО-х2б ruclips.net/video/XkBBxSfuPHw/видео.html

  • @fogit4668
    @fogit4668 Год назад

    6th time I think it is working 🤔

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      Have you replaced the motor? If not, you may need one

    • @fogit4668
      @fogit4668 Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection Yes. that is why I was resetting it. The old motor was filled with water. I took the new one and sprayed T-9 waterproofing along the edges. Once it dries it creates a wax seal.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      @@fogit4668 you need to clear the sunroof drains. That's where the water is coming from. And if it's an aftermarket motor, the programming is a little sketchy on those.

    • @fogit4668
      @fogit4668 Год назад

      @@SealofPerfection I purchased a Motorcraft motor. still trying to get the front drains to open the rear are flowing really well.

    • @SealofPerfection
      @SealofPerfection  Год назад

      @@fogit4668 I've never seen the rear stopped up but once. It's always the front