In hindsight, it makes sense why Greg was so pissed that Portia was here since she wasn’t part of the plan! It’s a good thing Jack had a sense of compassion and let her go
@@LynXify I don't think so, probably the plan was to kill her and make her disappear. So would be the two women disappeared from the island. if she would be alive, she could point to the people Tanya were hanging out with.
It's about time she leaves the show. It would be so unrealistic if there's always a murder while she is vacationing in that resort. Ironically, she became the victim after she mentioned that something always happens whenever she is at the White Lotus resort.
I legit cried when she died. She was in an obvious confused and terrified state of panic and tragically died while trying to escape. That was a super depressing scene for me, but absolutely genius ending.
it was so depressing for me too. You genuinely felt so bad for her and felt like relieved she could actually survive, and then suddenly she cries, falls and dies. It was terrible.
What are you talking about, her whole character was built around being a clumsy, clueless, rich idiot and both her last lines (is Greg having an affair?) and death hilariously reflected that 😂. I'm only sad we won't get more of her.
what was even more genius is we saw it right back in episode one, when she couldn't arrive at the White Lotus dock gracefully because she could NOT GET OFF THE BOAT IN HER HEELS 😅😂🤣
The fact we all love Tanya and Jennifer too much, we basically brainwashed ourselves that anyone could die but her. Even with all these hints throughout the show. We refuse to believe that possibility.
Good point about willful blindness though Mike White did say more than once in interviews that he was leaning toward bringing Tanya into the next season and confesses to the occasional misdirection.
@@ryanpatrickpreston No there's a difference. I'm using "everyone always" as a generalization. And anyone with a brain can tell it's a generalization. He's saying "we" as to say that all the fans of the show think the same way he does. I see comments like this all the time and it's annoying. So mind your business "Ryan Preston"
yes the whole season is supposed to be an homage to the movie "L' Avventura" that stars Monica Vitti. I loved this season. I took 4 years of Italian and Valentina reminded me so much of my teacher who played that movie for us as well.
Loved the way the shot her death scene. Showing her as she fired the gun and not the other way around. It kept the tension, with us not really sure if they're dead. We got no clue besides the sound of bodies falling. It didn't seem too violent, cos thats not what the show is. It helped us care more for tanya and join her in the panic and confusion.
In episode 3 at the Godfather museum there was a mannequin model of Apollonia Corleone. Bert Di Grasso explains that Apollonia was killed in the movie. In the finale, Tanya was wearing the same blouse as the mannequin.
I was devastated when Tonya died. Something about her death just felt so real.. kudos to Jennifer Coolidge, I hope she wins an Emmy for her performance.
Yes, her character, and all the characters in this show, just feel so real… it’s amazing how well this show is able to make these stories feel like legitimate possible plot lines, even with how ridiculous they are on paper. Her character especially was so well crafted and her death was so tragic…
@@common3480 that was the biggest difference between the 2nd season and the 1st, every plotline felt real unlike the employee giving birth the first day on the job in the 1st season etc
Also in the very first episode, Tanya is being helped get off the boat, and also when Mia asks why she has so many bags, Lucia says something like 'Maybe she's staying here'
@Gorillala 78 That was ep1 of season 2! I get that it's a joke, but the show has so much foreshadowing, that I wouldn't be surprised that her 'staying here' is also a clue to her dying in Italy.
unrelated scene technically but in the first episode there’s also a scene where daphne talks about how husbands bring their wives on vacation to kill them
After Tanya and the gays return from watching the play "Madame Butterfly", Portia asks Tanya how it was and she simply replies "she died". Throughout the play, Tanya seems profoundly emotional and captivated by its tragic beauty and sadness.
@@prestuvius Yeah, I mean the captain of the jacht did get away. And there was another guy who jumped into the water. So 2 gays. ... "These gays try to murder me." OMG, this was so sad and hilarious at the same time. Poor Tanya.
@@sadie9728 The only 2 witness that were on the boat only saw Tanya killing a bunch of people. And Portia doesn't actually have any proof of anything that happened. So Greg deff gets off scott free with all her money.
For me, it's absolutely fantastic writing that Tanya's first and last moments are very similar. As Tanya is getting off the boat in Episode 1, she is wearing a floral dress and heels and is having difficulty getting off the boat, yelling "Ahh Ahh", just like how her story ends in the finale.
You left out the part when the fortune teller right before TANYA pushes her out of the room... She literally said "MADNESS WILL LEAD YOU TO COMMIT SUICIDE!"
@@childoftime9964 She says it in Italian and I'm not sure if it was subtitled, but it's very clear if you understand the language. "La pazzia ti porterà al suicidio".
Yes! It was sooo sad 💔And her death really felt like an "accidental suicide" cause she was clearly panicked and wearing a huge transparent heels to jump off the boat while there was a ladder there
Watching Greg meet Tanya in Season 1 also makes more sense now. How just turned up and pretended to have their rooms mixed up. How he wasn't put off by her emotional baggage and erratic behaviour. And how he stayed even though Tanya told him to leave.
Mike White said basically that he decided to keep Tanya in the 2nd season was because of the popularity of the character and also because in the end of season 1 Tanya says to Greg: ¨Death is the last immersive experience I haven't tried.¨ so Mike decide to keep Tanya but she had to go in the end in a ¨very Tanya way just fyi
It creeps me out so much that Greg (Steve) and Quintin were playing the long game and probably hatched the plan before he even met Tanya in Maui. They'd either did research on her and figured out where she vacationed or were there on a costant basis like a predator looking for just the right victim to come along..So chilling!
exactly right. If the ploy to "drunkenly" think you are going to your room but its actually Tanya's was the beginning of a hatched and diabolical plan, wow as funny as the show can be that is just pure evil and chills the spine.
Nah the whole point of this show is kinda the mundaneness of evil. This wasn’t a long con lmao Greg actually had cancer lol and set up this murder plot after he realized he was gonna live and be stuck with a woman he was starting to hate. It being some long con scheme is the antithesis of what Mike White is trying to say and makes the show worse lmao.
That's a good detail but maybe Greg just ditched them because he wanted to score. Plus, the fact that he was staying at a White Lotus at all means he was of means. Just not enough to decorate a crumbling palazzo.
The way Tanya runs around the boat but starts walking before she turns the corner cracks me up so much! Lmao. It’s giving 7 year old me vibes when my mom would send me down the long dark hallway to get something lmao
This series is really great at the foreshadowing, I never would have expected the twist! I'll miss seeing Jennifer Coolidge on the show, though I wonder if Greg will be the next victim if he returns in the next season?
The second season has lots of callbacks/parallels to the first, so it makes me wonder if they’ll bring on an actress with a similarly big, kooky aura next season. Kinda fun to think about who that might be.
This is what I don't understand! Mike said he wrote the whole show around her, and she stole the show like he knew she would. She IS the heart and soul of the show. It seems nonsensical to kill her off. Someone has big shoes to fill for series 3! I feel it should've ended with Tanya's death.
@@angeloddrev She is one of many great characters in the show for me. From my observation men like her character in the show but doesn´t feel she is that special. But the women go beyond and above for her. Didn´t know that before going on social media about the white lotus.
It’s chilling to see Tanya realize the plan coming to fruition, all while being stuck on a boat out at sea with hardly any escape at all. I would have alerted Portia to call the authorities and send help for her the moment it all made sense.
She couldn't. She accidentally dropped her phone in the sea. I guess she could have tried using one of the phones left behind by the guys that she shot but she was so scatterbrained, it seems highly unlikely that she could have Portia's number memorised.
There is also Quentin telling her about his only love that was a cowboy (which is actually greg, they were wearing cowboy hats in the photo together) and then that even after all those years he would still do anything the guy asks him (killing tanya)
Ik people love her but I have to say, her death was one of the funniest things I have seen on television in a very long time. Absolutely brilliant!! All of it
I was laughing and in shock and sad at the same time. there's no other character in any show who I believe would try to land on that boat in those heels. Her though? Totally believable. Everything about her is so believable as crazy as she is. And when she acts normal or makes sense for a split second it's hilarious because she is anything but.
Loved the show, it was so amazingly well done. But will miss Tanya. The ending was unexpected as I definitely thought she’d survive somehow. I was really hoping she would be the common thread between every season. Great acting, I hope she wins all the awards.
Tanya wears the same thing in the finale as the test dummy in the exploding car did a few episodes earlier. And right before "A far l'amore comincia tu" starts playing in the season premiere, you hear opera music
1. The gays telling her she’s like the tragic heroine of an opera 2. Madame Butterfly 3. Greg’s mysterious phone calls 4. Seeing Quentin and Jack together 5. Quentin telling her he’d “die for beauty” in a really sinister tone 6. Her husband Greg in a damn portrait with Quentin 7. the sky 8. water
What about that scene that Quentin talks about this cowboy he met when he was young and says “I’d do anything for him” - including bordering someone else
Oh man! I’m going to miss Tanya. Please bring her justice in season 3. Greg doesn’t deserve her money, I hope we see Portia do something about it. I love this show so much ❤
A huge clue was Puccini’s opera Madama Butterfly. Those who love the opera know it ends very tragically for the used and discarded Butterfly singing the famous aria about waiting for her husband to return to her in a white ship she sees docked at the shore. I knew right away Tanya’s fate was sealed. If you’re ever lucky enough to see a performance of this globally beloved opera, I dare you not to weep at the end.
Lucia (Simona Tabasco) and Mia (Beatrice Grannò) deserve their own spinoff tv show, depicting their misadventures in the hotel. The rest of the italian cast is welcome as well.
Talk about the power of writing and acting...we were screaming at her to go down the back of the yacht to escape where the ladder was and her death literally made my wife sad for a couple days.
As much as I love Coolidge's performance as Tanya, I firmly believe she had it coming. Even if I keep aside the in-your-face foreshadowing throughout the season (the most obvious one being Madam Butterfly), the constant "death" comments were there from the second episode itself. As for Tanya, she's probably one of the most interesting and well-written character I've seen. She reminded me of Dani from Midsommar a lot! The co-dependency on a man, the getting lured by a group/cult, the being seduced by someone "better" than her current partner (Pelle in Dani's case. The Mafia guy in Tanya's), the knowledge of betrayal, and the ultimate breakdown that follows it. The only difference is in how their characters ended. Imho, what Tanya really needed was therapy and a good support system comprising of friends (preferably female friends) who had her back, NOT constant male validation and affection to make her feel good about herself. The way I see it, it was probably karma for treating Belinda the way she did.
Idk if this counts as justification but I believe Tanya was completely oblivious about the way she treated Belinda. She was nice and kind to her but, as you said, her need for male validation kept her away from Belinda. At the end, I think she sort of learned a bit abour herlself better and declined to give Belinda the money for her plan. To sum up: if Tanya hurt Belinda, she never meant to, she was way too into her own problems to actually care about others.
Ahh I’m so mad about the fact that she died when she finally figured everything out. Now Greg will get all her money, which obv isn’t what anyone wants. But it also made sense that she’d die. They hinted about it many times and I think a large part of the audience figured she’d die. Sure was a silly way to end it though. Tanya was the only one who could take Tanya out lol. Also, so happy that Jack let Portia go because otherwise she’d probably be dead alongside Tanya. He showed he had a heart after all.
Considering the mess she left behind before dying it's unlikely that Greg will inherit the money so smoothly, it's in fact more likely he'll end up in jail. It wouldn't take long for the police to figure out that Tanya's washed dead body and those from the yacht are connected, also considering there's at least two surviving witnesses from that night, sooner or later someone is bound to squeal it all. Greg's big mistake was to hire someone flamboyant and careless like Quentin (who didn't even bother hide the photograph of himself with Greg while Tanya was in the villa, really?) to the dirty job. He could have easily found a regular sicario to do the job in Sicily for a fraction of what he promised Quentin and minimum of fuss 😆
@@Professicchio ahh you made some great points! It would actually be weird if Greg got the money. But I guess you never know.. and yeah Greg really could’ve made suuuch a better job by choosing someone more careful.
A lesson to learn, never let a group of people, gay or straight, talk you into going somewhere else, especially when you don't know them . Tanya was as naive as they come . She constantly looked for love, approval, and belonging, three things that could make anyone make bad decisions, and she did. Marrying Greg, for one. All those subtle red flags, and leaving her hotel with those men. Portia, worst dressed character I have ever seen, naive as well, but she lived. I can see them bringing Jennifer Coolidge back, as a twin, I mean, who knows??? I just never figured her character was actually going to die.
I love your comment, but I'd add that as well as being naïve and needy, she's a horrible user of people, sucking them into her own narcissistic drama - see all of Season 1, or her treatment of Portia, even though it was played for laughs. She's not like a victim making bad decisions, she actively makes them for her own gratification. I love how Mike White's writing is not very moral, but has a high sense of karma
Are you kidding? I loved Portia's outifts. They were so suitable for her personality. And on vacation!! I mean, I don't think I would wear those myself, but I liked her style
In one of the episodes there's a transition of the scene where she's at the opera and she stars to shed a tear, and then the camera slowly moves further from the scene until she's visually enclosed in courtains to then transition to the sea at night. That shot was so subtle and beautiful, yet so ominous. That moment I knew that she was going to be the one who dies. It even shows the way and place it was going to happen. Extremely good directing and photography!!
Quentin takes Tanya to the opera to see Madama Butterfly. Madama Butterfly stars a bereft wife who kills herself when her husband leaves for another woman.
Also when Jack is carrying Tanya’s luggage into the house and he asks if there’s a dead body in there. And when Tanya says she trying to look like Monica Vitti, Valentina reminds her that she’s dead.
I'm completely addicted to this show, the second season was even better than the first one and I need the third one like right now 😭😭😭 (I wish it was in Brazil btw)
In the early episodes, during slow motion shots of waves crashing underwater, we hear washed out snippets of Puccini's "O Mio Babbino Caro" as if played underwater. This track finally plays fully and unaltered upon Tanya's underwater death scene. Tom Hollander's character compares Tanya to a tragic Puccini heroine. The lyrics to "O Mio Babbino Caro" involve a woman threatening to drown herself (throw herself into the water) if her love has turned out to be in vain.
Here is my take for season 3 based on Mike White interviews and foreshadowing on the next season; it will be set in either the Maldives or Bali - Cam and Daphne will be back this time with their kids, as Connie Britton and her husband but without their kids, and a new third group of guests. It will once again be a local who dies and likely someone like Belinda in season 1 (a local "exploited" by the locals).
The only Eastern destination that Mike White mentions explicitly is Japan. I think a tropical spot like Miyazaki, famous for its huge surfing waves, makes good sense. Japanese culture has a wealth of awesome uniqueness as well as a rich spiritual tradition (Zen, Shinto). Bali would make sense in terms of luxuriousness but I wonder whether the Islamic element there would work with a show like WL.
They didn't include the part of the fortune teller freaking out and trying to warn Tanya that she's in grave danger and that she needs to flee (that's what I got from very basic Italian proficiency 😅)
Obsessed with The White Lotus. Jennifer's portrayal of Tanya is incredible. I thought it was going to be the locals who died at the end, like Lucia. Tanya is such an iconic character it's hard to imagine she won't be back for S3. Falling off the boat...that 'clang' when her head hit, I yelled out loud. It was so satisfying to watch her figure out the plot, and to get the gun and actually shoot her way off the boat. And yes she died in perhaps the most Tanya way possible.
You know I knew something was about to happen with Jennifer because she was the only one not using a Apple Phone. Apple doesn't allow "villans" to use apple products in films or tv. It hurts the brand. Fun Fact! I will say I was still utterly surprised.
wait so by that token, her character wasn’t allowed to use one bc she was a villain? or i suppose her shooting a bunch of people despite it being self defense doesn’t look “marketable” for apple either
It was surprising that after removing every possible threat on the boat, Tanya eventually ended up killing herself as she slipped from top of the edge on the yacht. I was expecting that she would be alive but What a tragic death for her.
And finally at the end, I understand who Greg was saying "I love you" to on the phone! It was the little gay guy from England who rounded Tanya up for the boat trip, Greg's lover and accomplice.
@@Professicchio for a sec when she questions him about the portrait and didn’t say “that looks just like my husband” right away, I thought she had caught on the murder plot and was trying to outsmart Quentin 😂
I was sure that the plot was to get evidence of Tanya being unfaithful so that the prenup would be void, I hoped that the murder plot was a misunderstanding. But now I guess that was always the plot. Less clever and pretty sad.
Realistically, it's almost impossible to void the prenup for cheating, it's not a strong case and Greg would still get nothing, so the only way was for her to die.
Someone please verify this- but I think in a prenup if one partner cheats the other gets their penalty amount. Smaller than what Greg will get now- everything that tanya owns. Makes him even more evil
That is exactly what I thought. I didn’t know it was murder. I thought it was unfaithfulness to void the prenup due to a clause. I was also hoping it was a misunderstanding. Dang…now it seems her death was inevitable.
Well, she got presented with an opportunity to turn inwards with that female Hawaiian therapist/healer but she decided to continue to take the outwards route re-enacting her toxic relationship patterns with men with Greg instead. So, that's her fate. That's the consequences of refusing/resisting to turn inwards and make peace with your painful past despite getting presented with so many opportunities to finally wake up. God seems to be fed up with her eventually.
Look, I know we are all upset about losing Jennifer Coolidge for season 3 but just hear me out. What if we got Laura Dern as Dominic's jilted ex-wife next season instead?
I’m gay and I love how this gay writer takes gay men down a peg. It’s so refreshing because it shows not everything is a corporate PC dreamworld where marginalized people are always virtuous just because they claim a victim status. It’s darkly cynical. Like the Sopranos in a lot of ways.
Definitely subverts the fun gay best friends stereotypes in media. In fact it feels like Quentin and his friends were using that stereotype to their benefit to lure her into false sense of security. Great trope subversion. But then the “murderous gay man” trope and the “gay man who secretly want the straight man who is married” trope was used. Still think it was interesting but had really dark twist to it.
@@childoftime9964 do we though? I feel like today it’s less acceptable to portray those who already are portrayed as having a “harder time of it” in a negative light and it personally makes me sick. I wish we could return to a place where humans need to prove their merit beyond their identity.
defo knew the gays were schemers when tanya peeped 'nephew' topping uncle. while it did not surprise me i was gobsmacked at the audacity! could have never predicted the finale though the bizarre coke fest was telling.
I found them sus but I assumed they were just going to trick her into funding their villa or giving them money somehow since they were broke but not that
I hope next season follows the general formula that it’s an unrelated storyline from the last HOWEVER the one thread that ties it in is Greg. I hope we see him get what he deserves karmically
Even if they bring her back in another character, it won't be the same, because she won't be the same person, it's better that they apply the scary movie formula like Brenda who killed her in each movie and returned for the next one haha
The final scene was an emotional ride. I was so scared for her as the murder plot was revealed, then elated when she had the gun and was just knocking everyone off, and then when she fell, I initially laughed like "classic Tanya" and assumed she would surface and drag herself into the boat. When she didn't I was so shocked I literally screamed "what???!" at my TV. Couldn't believe she went from badass to total tragedy so quickly!
Watch more from The White Lotus here: ruclips.net/p/PLSduohp5OGX6708U_EFnnV5bzBClTBQ97
The video is missing Matteo crying when saying goodbye to Tanya and refusing going with them in the boat, probably because he didn't want to kill her.
Aw...at least one of them had a heart.
@@lisadiconti Eh I’d say he’s even worse than them, he wanted to live his lavish lifestyle but was too scared to get his hands dirty. Scumbag behavior
@@lisadiconti yeah, good to know he also survived from the shooting lol
Come through, Groucho Marx
@@kazehazeee Too bad he didn't save her like how Jack saved Portia. :(
In hindsight, it makes sense why Greg was so pissed that Portia was here since she wasn’t part of the plan! It’s a good thing Jack had a sense of compassion and let her go
it's not real, it's made up.
Was Portia supposed to die???
i dont think portia was supposed to die. she was just supposed to stay away and that is what jack was doing
There was no compassion there, it just would've been too suspicious if both died.
@@LynXify I don't think so, probably the plan was to kill her and make her disappear. So would be the two women disappeared from the island. if she would be alive, she could point to the people Tanya were hanging out with.
I am utterly devastated that we don't get more of this character next season
She could come back as a ghost to haunt Greg.
@@Trueo9re Yes...I was thinking this too.
Me too.
Her identical twin will show up and take revenge on the mastermind of this plot... Portia. Sorry Mike White your not tricking me. Tanya lives.
It's about time she leaves the show. It would be so unrealistic if there's always a murder while she is vacationing in that resort. Ironically, she became the victim after she mentioned that something always happens whenever she is at the White Lotus resort.
I legit cried when she died. She was in an obvious confused and terrified state of panic and tragically died while trying to escape. That was a super depressing scene for me, but absolutely genius ending.
I thought that was the most hilarious scene. Sad she died but that shooting scene was a comedic gold. I cried because I laughed so much.
it was so depressing for me too. You genuinely felt so bad for her and felt like relieved she could actually survive, and then suddenly she cries, falls and dies. It was terrible.
What are you talking about, her whole character was built around being a clumsy, clueless, rich idiot and both her last lines (is Greg having an affair?) and death hilariously reflected that 😂. I'm only sad we won't get more of her.
what was even more genius is we saw it right back in episode one, when she couldn't arrive at the White Lotus dock gracefully because she could NOT GET OFF THE BOAT IN HER HEELS 😅😂🤣
@@sienissalmao same 😂 I swear to god. I thought it was brilliant
The fact we all love Tanya and Jennifer too much, we basically brainwashed ourselves that anyone could die but her. Even with all these hints throughout the show. We refuse to believe that possibility.
Good point about willful blindness though Mike White did say more than once in interviews that he was leaning toward bringing Tanya into the next season and confesses to the occasional misdirection.
Why does everyone always say “we”. Not everyone thinks like you do.
@@colton4261 Fair point but then look at your comment. 'Why does EVERYONE ALWAYS..." Just as egregious if not more so.
@@ryanpatrickpreston No there's a difference. I'm using "everyone always" as a generalization. And anyone with a brain can tell it's a generalization. He's saying "we" as to say that all the fans of the show think the same way he does. I see comments like this all the time and it's annoying. So mind your business "Ryan Preston"
@@colton4261 Actually, "we" would count as a generalization just like "everyone always".
In episode 2, Tanya asks Valentina who Tanya looks like. Valentina says "Peppa Pig". Tanya says "I'm Monica Vitti". Valentina responds "Monica Vitti's dead, but yes."
Yes omg
Valentina was a piece of work! 😂At least she was finally nice to Rocco
HAHAH Yes!!
yes the whole season is supposed to be an homage to the movie "L' Avventura" that stars Monica Vitti. I loved this season. I took 4 years of Italian and Valentina reminded me so much of my teacher who played that movie for us as well.
Valentina was so wrong for saying Peppa Pig, like couldn't she come up with anyone else 😂😂
"These GAYS! They're trying to murder me!" 🤣 Her lines are so iconic! I'm going to miss her character so much.
It's a song now on Instagram and tiktok! These gays they're trying to murder me 🤣😅
is it "These" or I thought "The" gays... :)
Loved the way the shot her death scene. Showing her as she fired the gun and not the other way around. It kept the tension, with us not really sure if they're dead. We got no clue besides the sound of bodies falling. It didn't seem too violent, cos thats not what the show is. It helped us care more for tanya and join her in the panic and confusion.
That’s true!!! I’ve never see a scene like that from that perspective
In episode 3 at the Godfather museum there was a mannequin model of Apollonia Corleone. Bert Di Grasso explains that Apollonia was killed in the movie. In the finale, Tanya was wearing the same blouse as the mannequin.
now i get it.
Wow, great catch.
Good catch 😊
I wanna watch movies with you
when does she wears it? i only saw portia wearing it when their having their last breakfast together
I was devastated when Tonya died. Something about her death just felt so real.. kudos to Jennifer Coolidge, I hope she wins an Emmy for her performance.
Already did 4 the same character, a year ago.
I think it’s how flawed she was and yet so likable, and how unnecessary and unexpected her death was… Made it all just too real.
Yes, her character, and all the characters in this show, just feel so real… it’s amazing how well this show is able to make these stories feel like legitimate possible plot lines, even with how ridiculous they are on paper. Her character especially was so well crafted and her death was so tragic…
I had that feeling of reality too.
@@common3480 that was the biggest difference between the 2nd season and the 1st, every plotline felt real unlike the employee giving birth the first day on the job in the 1st season etc
Also in the very first episode, Tanya is being helped get off the boat, and also when Mia asks why she has so many bags, Lucia says something like 'Maybe she's staying here'
@Gorillala 78 That was ep1 of season 2! I get that it's a joke, but the show has so much foreshadowing, that I wouldn't be surprised that her 'staying here' is also a clue to her dying in Italy.
I don’t know what they say in Italian but the subtitles said “maybe she’s moving to Italy”
in hindsight that would have been a great line, but she does indeed say (in Italian too): maybe she's moving to Italy.
I think she also mentioned how she might fall into the water
@@gorillala78they aren’t saying Lucia knew what would happen, it’s just foreshadowing
unrelated scene technically but in the first episode there’s also a scene where daphne talks about how husbands bring their wives on vacation to kill them
Factssss forgot about that
I was thinking about that the entire season! I was thinking it would be Daphne or Harper (I think that’s her name) Audrey plazas character
Cameron also mentions (I think in the first episode) how you have to be careful because there are these broke Italians with palazzos
After Tanya and the gays return from watching the play "Madame Butterfly", Portia asks Tanya how it was and she simply replies "she died". Throughout the play, Tanya seems profoundly emotional and captivated by its tragic beauty and sadness.
yep and they compare her to Madame Butterfly
“Seppuku…I can relate.”
This makes me sad. Not only because of Tanya’s death but because Greg basically gets everything
You do realize there would be an investigation in the event of her suspicious death, and he’d likely be found partly culpable, right?
Yeah, they have a witness who knows everything. He's screwed.
@@prestuvius Yeah, I mean the captain of the jacht did get away. And there was another guy who jumped into the water. So 2 gays. ... "These gays try to murder me." OMG, this was so sad and hilarious at the same time. Poor Tanya.
@@sadie9728 The only 2 witness that were on the boat only saw Tanya killing a bunch of people. And Portia doesn't actually have any proof of anything that happened. So Greg deff gets off scott free with all her money.
@@bendover3653 he made the calls to Quentin though. A proper investigation would be able to connect the dots.
End of season 1 she says death is the only full immersive experience she’s never done
Nice catch! I also believe she said that to Greg, right?
For me, it's absolutely fantastic writing that Tanya's first and last moments are very similar. As Tanya is getting off the boat in Episode 1, she is wearing a floral dress and heels and is having difficulty getting off the boat, yelling "Ahh Ahh", just like how her story ends in the finale.
You left out the part when the fortune teller right before TANYA pushes her out of the room... She literally said "MADNESS WILL LEAD YOU TO COMMIT SUICIDE!"
Really? I missed that
Exactly. THAT was the clue for me.
@@childoftime9964 She says it in Italian and I'm not sure if it was subtitled, but it's very clear if you understand the language. "La pazzia ti porterà al suicidio".
@@SR-kh6yq oh ok, thanks for letting me know. I'd have to go back and check to see if it was subtitled, but I definitely didn't notice it
Yes! It was sooo sad 💔And her death really felt like an "accidental suicide" cause she was clearly panicked and wearing a huge transparent heels to jump off the boat while there was a ladder there
Watching Greg meet Tanya in Season 1 also makes more sense now. How just turned up and pretended to have their rooms mixed up. How he wasn't put off by her emotional baggage and erratic behaviour. And how he stayed even though Tanya told him to leave.
He was gonna die though, he could drop dead anytime before he got healed. I feel she just drove him to the edge.
@@Patricia-cn7ox or maybe he didn’t have the money to get healed and needed her for that too.
Yes , it was so well-done, it was a 2-season-long con of a rich goofball!
@@craigfrancis1640 bscccc
@@StreamOnMax What does that stand for? 😅
Mike White said basically that he decided to keep Tanya in the 2nd season was because of the popularity of the character and also because in the end of season 1 Tanya says to Greg: ¨Death is the last immersive experience I haven't tried.¨ so Mike decide to keep Tanya but she had to go in the end in a ¨very Tanya way just fyi
Yes!!!! So on point
Give this woman a Golden Globe.
She is nominated so hopefully next month we will see if she wins at the ceremony
Done!
It creeps me out so much that Greg (Steve) and Quintin were playing the long game and probably hatched the plan before he even met Tanya in Maui. They'd either did research on her and figured out where she vacationed or were there on a costant basis like a predator looking for just the right victim to come along..So chilling!
exactly right. If the ploy to "drunkenly" think you are going to your room but its actually Tanya's was the beginning of a hatched and diabolical plan, wow as funny as the show can be that is just pure evil and chills the spine.
I was thinking the same thing. That their first meeting in Hawaii was all a set up to get Tanya’s money and eventually kill her! Pure evil!
Nah the whole point of this show is kinda the mundaneness of evil. This wasn’t a long con lmao Greg actually had cancer lol and set up this murder plot after he realized he was gonna live and be stuck with a woman he was starting to hate. It being some long con scheme is the antithesis of what Mike White is trying to say and makes the show worse lmao.
In season 1 he says he's on a fishing trip with friends yet you never see his friends... I reckon it was more fishing for a rich wife
That's a good detail but maybe Greg just ditched them because he wanted to score. Plus, the fact that he was staying at a White Lotus at all means he was of means. Just not enough to decorate a crumbling palazzo.
The way Tanya runs around the boat but starts walking before she turns the corner cracks me up so much! Lmao. It’s giving 7 year old me vibes when my mom would send me down the long dark hallway to get something lmao
Yes, and how she thought it was a great idea to jump off the boat wearing those giant heels
This series is really great at the foreshadowing, I never would have expected the twist! I'll miss seeing Jennifer Coolidge on the show, though I wonder if Greg will be the next victim if he returns in the next season?
I hope he becomes the next victim. I despise him. Lol.
The second season has lots of callbacks/parallels to the first, so it makes me wonder if they’ll bring on an actress with a similarly big, kooky aura next season. Kinda fun to think about who that might be.
I heard something about Connie Britton coming back in season three from season one
@@Luckyduck82180 who is connie
@@b-six-twelve I'm really hoping it's Laura Dern
I can't believe we aren't going to get anymore Tanya next season. I'm utterly devastated! Jennifer was an absolute pleasure to watch!! 👏👏👏👏👏
Do you think Greg will be?
@@Viv89 possibly, they did leave him with a story line.
This is what I don't understand! Mike said he wrote the whole show around her, and she stole the show like he knew she would. She IS the heart and soul of the show. It seems nonsensical to kill her off. Someone has big shoes to fill for series 3! I feel it should've ended with Tanya's death.
@@angeloddrev She is one of many great characters in the show for me. From my observation men like her character in the show but doesn´t feel she is that special. But the women go beyond and above for her. Didn´t know that before going on social media about the white lotus.
That it was staring us in the face the whole time and we didn’t see it coming is great storytelling by Mike White!
💯
Yes!!!!
It’s chilling to see Tanya realize the plan coming to fruition, all while being stuck on a boat out at sea with hardly any escape at all. I would have alerted Portia to call the authorities and send help for her the moment it all made sense.
She couldn't. She accidentally dropped her phone in the sea. I guess she could have tried using one of the phones left behind by the guys that she shot but she was so scatterbrained, it seems highly unlikely that she could have Portia's number memorised.
But Jack grabbed the phone before she could say anything more.
There's also Cameron saying in the first episode that these European aristocrats are always basically broke, no cash at all, only their palaces.
I wish I could be that broke lol
They inherit the land not the money that’s why .
her last 5 minutes was some great great acting. i hope she gets an emmy or something.
Another Emmy 💅
We need a Tanya prequel series.
There is also Quentin telling her about his only love that was a cowboy (which is actually greg, they were wearing cowboy hats in the photo together) and then that even after all those years he would still do anything the guy asks him (killing tanya)
THIS SHOW DESERVES EVERY AWARD IT'S GONNA GET.
Icon. Legend. Star. The queen always & forever.
Ik people love her but I have to say, her death was one of the funniest things I have seen on television in a very long time. Absolutely brilliant!! All of it
I was laughing and in shock and sad at the same time. there's no other character in any show who I believe would try to land on that boat in those heels. Her though? Totally believable. Everything about her is so believable as crazy as she is. And when she acts normal or makes sense for a split second it's hilarious because she is anything but.
There's a very brutal kind of humor to it, quite similar to the death of Armond actually
Loved the show, it was so amazingly well done. But will miss Tanya. The ending was unexpected as I definitely thought she’d survive somehow. I was really hoping she would be the common thread between every season. Great acting, I hope she wins all the awards.
Tanya wears the same thing in the finale as the test dummy in the exploding car did a few episodes earlier.
And right before "A far l'amore comincia tu" starts playing in the season premiere, you hear opera music
1. The gays telling her she’s like the tragic heroine of an opera
2. Madame Butterfly
3. Greg’s mysterious phone calls
4. Seeing Quentin and Jack together
5. Quentin telling her he’d “die for beauty” in a really sinister tone
6. Her husband Greg in a damn portrait with Quentin
7. the sky
8. water
He would die for beauty?
What about that scene that Quentin talks about this cowboy he met when he was young and says “I’d do anything for him” - including bordering someone else
Oh man! I’m going to miss Tanya. Please bring her justice in season 3. Greg doesn’t deserve her money, I hope we see Portia do something about it. I love this show so much ❤
A huge clue was Puccini’s opera Madama Butterfly. Those who love the opera know it ends very tragically for the used and discarded Butterfly singing the famous aria about waiting for her husband to return to her in a white ship she sees docked at the shore. I knew right away Tanya’s fate was sealed. If you’re ever lucky enough to see a performance of this globally beloved opera, I dare you not to weep at the end.
Lucia (Simona Tabasco) and Mia (Beatrice Grannò) deserve their own spinoff tv show, depicting their misadventures in the hotel. The rest of the italian cast is welcome as well.
Well Lucia scored $50k in the end, so they could show up again at a different resort
@@childoftime9964 In a way, Greg did with Tanya what Lucia did with Alfie. Both immoral, just one is more extreme!
@@ankurama42 in a way yeah
Talk about the power of writing and acting...we were screaming at her to go down the back of the yacht to escape where the ladder was and her death literally made my wife sad for a couple days.
As much as I love Coolidge's performance as Tanya, I firmly believe she had it coming. Even if I keep aside the in-your-face foreshadowing throughout the season (the most obvious one being Madam Butterfly), the constant "death" comments were there from the second episode itself.
As for Tanya, she's probably one of the most interesting and well-written character I've seen. She reminded me of Dani from Midsommar a lot! The co-dependency on a man, the getting lured by a group/cult, the being seduced by someone "better" than her current partner (Pelle in Dani's case. The Mafia guy in Tanya's), the knowledge of betrayal, and the ultimate breakdown that follows it. The only difference is in how their characters ended.
Imho, what Tanya really needed was therapy and a good support system comprising of friends (preferably female friends) who had her back, NOT constant male validation and affection to make her feel good about herself. The way I see it, it was probably karma for treating Belinda the way she did.
Idk if this counts as justification but I believe Tanya was completely oblivious about the way she treated Belinda. She was nice and kind to her but, as you said, her need for male validation kept her away from Belinda. At the end, I think she sort of learned a bit abour herlself better and declined to give Belinda the money for her plan.
To sum up: if Tanya hurt Belinda, she never meant to, she was way too into her own problems to actually care about others.
Ahh I’m so mad about the fact that she died when she finally figured everything out. Now Greg will get all her money, which obv isn’t what anyone wants. But it also made sense that she’d die. They hinted about it many times and I think a large part of the audience figured she’d die. Sure was a silly way to end it though. Tanya was the only one who could take Tanya out lol. Also, so happy that Jack let Portia go because otherwise she’d probably be dead alongside Tanya. He showed he had a heart after all.
Considering the mess she left behind before dying it's unlikely that Greg will inherit the money so smoothly, it's in fact more likely he'll end up in jail.
It wouldn't take long for the police to figure out that Tanya's washed dead body and those from the yacht are connected, also considering there's at least two surviving witnesses from that night, sooner or later someone is bound to squeal it all.
Greg's big mistake was to hire someone flamboyant and careless like Quentin (who didn't even bother hide the photograph of himself with Greg while Tanya was in the villa, really?) to the dirty job. He could have easily found a regular sicario to do the job in Sicily for a fraction of what he promised Quentin and minimum of fuss 😆
@@Professicchio ahh you made some great points! It would actually be weird if Greg got the money. But I guess you never know.. and yeah Greg really could’ve made suuuch a better job by choosing someone more careful.
I had a feeling that Greg was the guy whom Quentin fell in love with thirty years ago, and that's why he went along with Greg's plan to murder Tanya.
Of course he was. Why else would those guys try to kill her.
Of course. He claimed he was a "straight cowboy" then later after getting caught with the photo describes the cowbody stuff
I thought that was obvious
The second he said that, my guard went up.
That’s literally the story? Did you miss the part with the photo of them?
A lesson to learn, never let a group of people, gay or straight, talk you into going somewhere else, especially when you don't know them . Tanya was as naive as they come . She constantly looked for love, approval, and belonging, three things that could make anyone make bad decisions, and she did. Marrying Greg, for one. All those subtle red flags, and leaving her hotel with those men. Portia, worst dressed character I have ever seen, naive as well, but she lived. I can see them bringing Jennifer Coolidge back, as a twin, I mean, who knows??? I just never figured her character was actually going to die.
No. Coolidge isn't a format for many episodes. She is a support style character. Third season with her would be too much.
I love your comment, but I'd add that as well as being naïve and needy, she's a horrible user of people, sucking them into her own narcissistic drama - see all of Season 1, or her treatment of Portia, even though it was played for laughs. She's not like a victim making bad decisions, she actively makes them for her own gratification. I love how Mike White's writing is not very moral, but has a high sense of karma
"Never follow a hippie to a second location." - 30 Rock
Yes!!! Portia was terribly dressed. It makes sense that Tanya asked her if she had anything cute to wear on the yacht.😄
Are you kidding? I loved Portia's outifts. They were so suitable for her personality. And on vacation!!
I mean, I don't think I would wear those myself, but I liked her style
Mike White is a genius.
True , he's way better than Zac Wilson and when he comes back next season the jets are making the playoffs .
In one of the episodes there's a transition of the scene where she's at the opera and she stars to shed a tear, and then the camera slowly moves further from the scene until she's visually enclosed in courtains to then transition to the sea at night. That shot was so subtle and beautiful, yet so ominous. That moment I knew that she was going to be the one who dies. It even shows the way and place it was going to happen.
Extremely good directing and photography!!
Quentin takes Tanya to the opera to see Madama Butterfly. Madama Butterfly stars a bereft wife who kills herself when her husband leaves for another woman.
Tanya: "Is Greg having an affair?"
Quentin: *gurgles blood*
It makes sense that greg is working for the “land of bureau management” and his partner owns big houses that needs taking care of
Lmao her death scene was hilarious 😭
Sadly, it was.
Hilarious with shookethness! 😭😂
It was a bit of levity after all the murder and mayhem.
I hope to see Portia in the thrid season spreading tanya's ashes 😪
"She loved the ocean. Just loved it!"
💀
When Cameron is talking about how these european aristocrats have these incredible palazzos, but they're all broke..... so subtle, but so amazing
The way the clues were so obvious yet so subtle really created a lot of tension.
The twist where she kills everoyne is amazing. glorious but why kill her... we need her next season, that was the only thing that sucked.
Also when Jack is carrying Tanya’s luggage into the house and he asks if there’s a dead body in there. And when Tanya says she trying to look like Monica Vitti, Valentina reminds her that she’s dead.
For however messed up Tanya was, it was pretty amazing how she pieced it together in the end
When shes wearing the pink outfit before getting on the Vespa and tells Valentina "I'm Monica Vitti" Valentina responds with "Monica Vitti is dead."
"peppa pig!"
Fun as it is,the show will never be the same without Jennifer.
Tanya ate 3 cookies - killed 3 gays
left 2 cookies - 2 gays escaped
OMG good catch! And they were macaroons too xD
Absolutely magnificent series from start to finish 👏🏻👏🏻Cast, story, dialogues , atmos
Thanks for putting these together. I love the way the writers take you through this labyrinth. It's great.
My face when she fell 😮🫥
I kept looking for her to come up from the water. :(
I yelled out loud, I was so surprised
Tanya ain’t deserve to go out like that. And Greg definitely doesn’t deserve to win.
We will see Greg S3 and I think he will somehow "see" Tanya.
@@marla591 good one
Win? I don't think so! Not with the mess Tanya left behind before dying.
I'm completely addicted to this show, the second season was even better than the first one and I need the third one like right now 😭😭😭 (I wish it was in Brazil btw)
In the early episodes, during slow motion shots of waves crashing underwater, we hear washed out snippets of Puccini's "O Mio Babbino Caro" as if played underwater. This track finally plays fully and unaltered upon Tanya's underwater death scene. Tom Hollander's character compares Tanya to a tragic Puccini heroine. The lyrics to "O Mio Babbino Caro" involve a woman threatening to drown herself (throw herself into the water) if her love has turned out to be in vain.
Amazing finale. One of the best in TV history honestly. Completely caught me off guard
I only accepted she was going to die when she asked if Greg was cheating after knowing he plotted to kill her 😂
Jennifer’s performance as Tanya over two seasons was magnificent to watch. Her death scene hit me like a ton of breaks. Auntie deserved a better life.
I still want an explanation for the missing macarons in Tanya’s room
Just realized she said the only "immersive" experience she has not had yet is death and her death was truly an immersive experience by way of drowning
Here is my take for season 3 based on Mike White interviews and foreshadowing on the next season; it will be set in either the Maldives or Bali - Cam and Daphne will be back this time with their kids, as Connie Britton and her husband but without their kids, and a new third group of guests. It will once again be a local who dies and likely someone like Belinda in season 1 (a local "exploited" by the locals).
The only Eastern destination that Mike White mentions explicitly is Japan. I think a tropical spot like Miyazaki, famous for its huge surfing waves, makes good sense. Japanese culture has a wealth of awesome uniqueness as well as a rich spiritual tradition (Zen, Shinto). Bali would make sense in terms of luxuriousness but I wonder whether the Islamic element there would work with a show like WL.
I think Porsche and the son are going to be in the 3rd season because of the exchange of numbers at the airport.
@@ryanpatrickpreston Bali is famously the only Hindu island in indonesia ffs
@@Noel-Marie4 not PORSCHE lol
@@LeoSpaceman69 Is that not how it's spelled?! LOL oops!
Tanya will be so missed 😢
They didn't include the part of the fortune teller freaking out and trying to warn Tanya that she's in grave danger and that she needs to flee (that's what I got from very basic Italian proficiency 😅)
Boy, Greg was working the long con !!
Justice for tanya😢
Also the gay that stayed and said goodbye to her before leaving w the rest of them was crying like knowing what was gonna happen..
The way I was screaming at the screen for her to take those freaking shoes off before she jumped!!! Or get one of their phones to call the police!!!
Just dawned on me that Greg must've been lying when he said he was dying in season 1!
Obsessed with The White Lotus. Jennifer's portrayal of Tanya is incredible. I thought it was going to be the locals who died at the end, like Lucia. Tanya is such an iconic character it's hard to imagine she won't be back for S3. Falling off the boat...that 'clang' when her head hit, I yelled out loud. It was so satisfying to watch her figure out the plot, and to get the gun and actually shoot her way off the boat. And yes she died in perhaps the most Tanya way possible.
I love Jennifer/Tanya waaaaaay too much to think that it was time for Tanya to checkout!
You know I knew something was about to happen with Jennifer because she was the only one not using a Apple Phone. Apple doesn't allow "villans" to use apple products in films or tv. It hurts the brand. Fun Fact!
I will say I was still utterly surprised.
Really ? Lol that’s cool fr
wait so by that token, her character wasn’t allowed to use one bc she was a villain? or i suppose her shooting a bunch of people despite it being self defense doesn’t look “marketable” for apple either
she is the best artress alive
Tanya is the best character of season 2
It was surprising that after removing every possible threat on the boat, Tanya eventually ended up killing herself as she slipped from top of the edge on the yacht. I was expecting that she would be alive but What a tragic death for her.
And finally at the end, I understand who Greg was saying "I love you" to on the phone! It was the little gay guy from England who rounded Tanya up for the boat trip, Greg's lover and accomplice.
Greg was on the phone with him in season one also!!! “Bob”
I enjoyed that the last thing Tanya said to Quentin before he dies is "Is Greg having an affair?"
Lol Quentin could have said “we’re going to kill you” straight to her face, and it probably wouldn’t have clicked
Too bad he was so cocky not to hide that portrait of him and Greg from his bedroom.
@@Professicchio for a sec when she questions him about the portrait and didn’t say “that looks just like my husband” right away, I thought she had caught on the murder plot and was trying to outsmart Quentin 😂
@@justaride77 Nope, not that smart but eventually she figured it out 😁
I was sure that the plot was to get evidence of Tanya being unfaithful so that the prenup would be void, I hoped that the murder plot was a misunderstanding. But now I guess that was always the plot. Less clever and pretty sad.
Realistically, it's almost impossible to void the prenup for cheating, it's not a strong case and Greg would still get nothing, so the only way was for her to die.
@@Artytanium I think you can add clauses for infidelity, I assumed they would have had one if this was the shows plot.
Someone please verify this-
but I think in a prenup if one partner cheats the other gets their penalty amount. Smaller than what Greg will get now- everything that tanya owns. Makes him even more evil
That is exactly what I thought. I didn’t know it was murder. I thought it was unfaithfulness to void the prenup due to a clause. I was also hoping it was a misunderstanding. Dang…now it seems her death was inevitable.
Well, she got presented with an opportunity to turn inwards with that female Hawaiian therapist/healer but she decided to continue to take the outwards route re-enacting her toxic relationship patterns with men with Greg instead.
So, that's her fate.
That's the consequences of refusing/resisting to turn inwards and make peace with your painful past despite getting presented with so many opportunities to finally wake up.
God seems to be fed up with her eventually.
This was perfectly stated. Thank you for this comment, I agree.
Look, I know we are all upset about losing Jennifer Coolidge for season 3 but just hear me out. What if we got Laura Dern as Dominic's jilted ex-wife next season instead?
YAAAAASSSS
I've been thinking this too! really hoping that's where they go with it. She and Mike White are magic together.
They showed his ex-wife's picture on the show. It is not Laura Dern
@@jnanasiddhy When did they show the picture?
@@kelleylmiller When he's crying holding a picture frame with his wife and daughter in it. It's in the finale
The video is missing the scene when Tanya walks into the opera looking like the grim reaper.
I can’t believe the “I’m Monica Vitti!” “Monica Vitti is dead” scene isn’t here
I’m gay and I love how this gay writer takes gay men down a peg. It’s so refreshing because it shows not everything is a corporate PC dreamworld where marginalized people are always virtuous just because they claim a victim status. It’s darkly cynical. Like the Sopranos in a lot of ways.
Thank you for this comment. I am an ally but I do agree with you and it's perfectly executed.
Definitely subverts the fun gay best friends stereotypes in media. In fact it feels like Quentin and his friends were using that stereotype to their benefit to lure her into false sense of security. Great trope subversion. But then the “murderous gay man” trope and the “gay man who secretly want the straight man who is married”
trope was used. Still think it was interesting but had really dark twist to it.
Yes, it was clever. We know that anyone can be nefarious; gender, race and sexuality aside.
@@childoftime9964 do we though? I feel like today it’s less acceptable to portray those who already are portrayed as having a “harder time of it” in a negative light and it personally makes me sick. I wish we could return to a place where humans need to prove their merit beyond their identity.
White gay men, that is
defo knew the gays were schemers when tanya peeped 'nephew' topping uncle. while it did not surprise me i was gobsmacked at the audacity! could have never predicted the finale though the bizarre coke fest was telling.
I found them sus but I assumed they were just going to trick her into funding their villa or giving them money somehow since they were broke but not that
I hope next season follows the general formula that it’s an unrelated storyline from the last HOWEVER the one thread that ties it in is Greg. I hope we see him get what he deserves karmically
They are probably just gonna reference Greg is in jail or something. He's not an interesting character/actor
Even if they bring her back in another character, it won't be the same, because she won't be the same person, it's better that they apply the scary movie formula like Brenda who killed her in each movie and returned for the next one haha
in season 1, Tanya tells Greg death was the "only all imersive experience" she has never tried
The final scene was an emotional ride. I was so scared for her as the murder plot was revealed, then elated when she had the gun and was just knocking everyone off, and then when she fell, I initially laughed like "classic Tanya" and assumed she would surface and drag herself into the boat. When she didn't I was so shocked I literally screamed "what???!" at my TV. Couldn't believe she went from badass to total tragedy so quickly!