@@OGSiX33 In countries with heavy emmision tax the M5 being a Plugin hybrid makes it cheaper than any of the alternatives (if there even are alternatives available). The RS6 Performance, and the E63s aren't available in the Netherlands for example)
The E28 M5 is my favourite BMW of all time. I hate touch screens in cars, we have all that shit outside of cars already in our daily lives. It's nice to be able to do something and be somewhere where you don't get any of that crap. Just you and the car and the road ahead.
He d rides tesla yet says on his podcast "he will choose a better track car then daily driver anyday of the week" but doesn't echo the same sentiment on his main channel. Throttle house is alot better. Model 3 POOformance 😂
@@intocars_24they kind of have a point. The 5 series looks like the 1 an overgrown fat 1 series from the front. The 1 series looks like a kia. Imo the light in the front are terrible. Previous 5 series was perfect looks wise
This whole episode was just hilarious and very creative. Somehow you keep raising the bar and I really don't know how. Thank you for the excellent video
Having been an M5 fan since 1988 and the E28; the sight of the second door at the end made me chuckle. Then tear up a bit, I'm worried for the future of the auto industry in general as are most of my brothers. 😞
TH is really my favorite car channel now. Love the script, your acting is getting much better and the way you present the information is engaging and entertaining!
You guys are so creatively funny, while also being so informative. The lion had me LOL. Seems BMW is doing what it can against laws that force it to weigh more, so still beating the straight-line performance is cool and coming close to the older models in terms of handling is going to be rough until lighter battery tech evolves. Either way, I haven't driven it, but I still want it!!
Great video gents...as always. I think car makers are now prioritizing tech over the actual car. I get in my S550 Mustang GT and immediately click the button to put it into Sport+. 6 speed manual, and just drive. Analog gauges, simple radio that connects Bluetooth, and I am off listening to the glorious exhaust note from the FP by Borla exhaust. Tech is what is commanding the high price. Look what we did. So what. I want a fun to drive car and not something that I need to pull out the owners manual to set up. I am a tech guy, and while you were flipping through some of those menus, I just had to go WTF. Whatever happened to K.I.S.S (Keep it simple stupid)? There really is more than 0-60. The car needs to have soul, engagement, and I think a lot of cars are losing that as we head more towards EV's and PHEV's. Oh, and the complexity of that car...that is not a car you buy out of warranty, because your shadetree mechanic ain't fixing that. I've owned an E36 328I, E39 530D and you had a sense of engagement. I would loved to have seen a lap session, which hopefully may come, but your assessments of cars is usually spot on, and when you say it doesn't feel like the old, I am sure you are right.
The amount of joy I derive from watching you guys have fun is just unreasonable. Also, "barely a Hoffmeister kink." I think you mean it's a Halfmeister kink.
Sat in it a week ago. Didn't feel special like the F90 M5. What a shame. They really managed to make this out of what was once the ultra sedan. It's not even "gonna grow on you" hell nah it was even worse live. No nicely done proportions at all almost. Thank you throttle house for your brutally honest comparison with the F90. Really appreciate it that people don't just accept things but speak out on what is really wanted.
Saying the old M5 feels like a M3 in comparison says a lot. I've always felt the M5 should be the "sporty executive". Comfortable and fast for the commute into office but also fun enough to choose the long way home after a day full of meetings. F90 would be my pick.
It would be a game charger if they would imitate Porsche with what they did with the Cayenne; the Turbo S E-Hybrid had the most HP, but then they got rid of the hybrid system to make the Turbo GT, and made it lighter, and quicker, which is as if the G90 M5 would go back to being an F90 M5 CS in a way. Remove anything that strips performance, like the hybrid system, and other components, to make an incredibly agile beast. Then the new M5 would be "cooler" than it is. Some of us don't mind the hybrid system, like the E-Hybrid Porsches, but others want the Turbo GT / M5 CS variant.
But that would require BMW actually caring AND being in touch with what their customers want, and if the current generation of M series tells us anything, they have a problem doing that.
@@arjunmadan318 After seeing the hate the new C63 got and confirmation that this G90 M5 was meant to be electric, I’d say they are in touch with the customers. Keep in mind I said customers and not upset keyboards warriors. The C63 is faster than ever but because of the engine it’s not doing well sales wise.
You won't want to deal with the hurtles and money it's gonna take to keep this driving computer on the road. Cars like these will never going to be classics.
@@charliefrharper Pure speculation. No reasons why computers cannot last long time. My phone is now many years old and unlike a car that will be on (driven) few hours a day, phone is up 24/7. And guess what - it works just fine. Besides, chips are cheap to replace and easy to diagnose malfunctions. The real hurdle is to keep an old BMW on the road and yet people still do 🤷
Hi I'm Seb Scribe, this is my partner Lichen. I feel like this car will age better, as every M car does pretty much. Design wise it's an improvement to my eye over the beaver teeth M3/M4. Just a shame it doesn't have a bit more edge to it, turn off the nannies and let the e-motor run wild breaking tires free, crazy burn outs, drifts, etc. Maybe something software can help with aftermarket
Great review; the only thing I would say is, what person with an M5 tracks their car? People want to go fast, sit in luxury, have their tech, and, last but not least, stand out. Regarding the price point from the factory, is there even a competitor right now?!
Imagine what this is going to be like to repair once it hits 50k miles and all that stuff starts breaking randomly. Why does BMW think we want so much complexity? How about just turning up the boost and giving us 700hp without all the heavy batteries and electric motors? I bet the fuel economy would be identical if they’d just remove 400lbs of crap in the process.
Its not really about fuel economy but about emissions. If you want a V8 with 600hp nowadays, youre not gonna get arround some hybrids. I think the best sports cars were already built - if you are looking for emotions. The electric era cars will for sure be faster arround most tracks in the near future.
The reference to "what an M5 is supposed to be" by one of the guys (what were their names again?) in the beginning - reminds of an interview done with the actual current BMW designer - the guy with the most respectable manbun - and always dressed in strictly black. He said - "we looked at the BMWs of past - and asked ourselves - what is BMW design? Yes, it was always non-aggressive and soft". And at that point - all I could think of - was WHAT? Look at any BMW - up to E60 (non inclusive, heh heh) - and then F10 and even G30 - and compare it with the closest competitor from Audi and Mercedes. BMW HAS ALWAYS been - the most aggressive, sharpest, most muscular and sporty (all that elegantly combined with BMW's own invented tradition that had continued for decades and decades, until Mr Black Vaping non-aggressor - came to be. Or until Bangle came to be - but he quickly ceased). BMW has lost its design edge - and yes, many people - myself included - value well-designed cars. But more importantly - BMW has lost the idea of what an M5 is supposed to be. It no longer is the incredibly fast and well-handling (and practical) hoonigan that the E28, E34 and E39 M5s were. NOW - IT. IS. A. PRODUCT. M5 now "has to" have gazillions of "techy" driving modes, gazillions of gadgets, and it has to do "all that". Take your dog to the vet (G91), your missus to the store and yourself to the track - while letting you pee in excitement (if you're a german tech-boy) because of all the modes and screens. But that was never what M5 was supposed to be - but we (or the market, that is) is way past that. So why have soul, BMW - when all your "lesser" cars now have M-Sport lines and suspensions sold as high-value options - and when influencers like Joe Achilles - can simply SELL whatever you THINK the autobahn buddies will buy? Speaking of autobahn - in order to understand BMW more - you need to visit the place where they are made. Not Dingolfing specifically - although a city with that name would warrant visiting it on its own - but the Autobahns, cities and production facilities all around BMW. Not only because BMWs are mostly made for the local market (Germany still a major tech-oriented country with 90 million people) - but also, because what BMW engineers and bean (or nut) counters imagine and think - is what they breathe and understand - being in the local environment (which is where they live, obviously). So - what DO they breathe and understand in the local environment? Well... Mercedes is the elegant granpa car. It has (supposed) class and luxury - and is kinda the "big daddy" - or at least imagines itself to be (visit Stuttgart and Mercedes museums to understand this). Then there's VW and audi - which is "people's car". It's the more down-to earth, honest and everyday choice. Then there's BMW. So where does it fit in? What is its identity? Immediately - watching new cars on the autobahn - it becomes clear. BMW is orienting itself towards the aspiring rising German tech boy. The one who will race you at any point and moment on the autobahn. The one which values telling his buddies how well the aroma/scent package in their newest M FUNF - works - and how the diff can send this or that amount of torque to this or that wheel. The customer who wants something special - compared to the sleekness of Merc - and down-to-earthness - of VW. So BMW makes ugly cars - just to be noticed (just like they made sporty, aggressive lines in everything from E12 to E39 and from E21 to F30) - and it gives you that driving quality edge (because it still has some engineers left in the company, not only accountants and CEOs). Lastly - the LEGISLATION. And it is a big one - which makes M5 a BIG one. It's either batteries and electric range (where is this all crap stipulated?) - or a four-popper with minimum grams per CO2 per 100 km. Think the new C-Class AMG. So it's either a fest for tech-boys, with decent handling (IN SPITE of weighing half a ton more than the previous version!) - and a do-it-all superwagon - or an even more compromised fast calculator on wheels. Speaking of calculating - has anyone at EU level calculated - what amount of CO2 would be saved - if BMW just made another Twin-turbo V8 - WITHOUT the batteries? WIthout the mandatory hybrid? Without the complexity and the weight? Oh, wait, the Green Party in Germany is getting stronger and stronger. Yeah. Makes sense.
I thought BMW was "the ultimate driving machine". The last thing the M5 ever needed was a hybrid system. It's an M car for F sakes 😂😂 1000lbs over the previous generation is wild!
I actually like the looks of this but can definitely get why anyone who likes a traditional BMW thinks this is ugly. Hoping this is just an awkward first step into PHEV and the LCI or next-gen is significantly improved in terms of weight, engines, dynamics, ect.
So happy they put to rest all the people saying it's slower then the old one based on "bmw on paper numbers" I knew they would look like morons. This car is an animal when it comes to torque.
I think that this M5 looks good honestly, its road presence is unmatched. But the issue is with the weight and powertrain, if they really had to make it that heavy, they shudve given it atleast 809 horses to make it very fast atleast cuz right now its neither agile nor mentally fast
The development was years ago, and they had to decide on this type of drivetrain based on the future regulations. As a cherry on top, we got the touring, but without the trick with the rear window... the E53! AMG already weighs - and they kept the weight secret for a long time - as much as the BMW and Audi will not be able to avoid the hybrid either, if there is ever going to be an RS5 (what a name-shame). New times... we are happy that we were able to be part of the old ones...
Also, this was such a great video, all-around. Loved the office discussion scenes, the title cards on the door, and as usual the insights and vibrance Throttle House brings to all their work. Bravo!
They had an absolute banger with the previous M5 CS. People who buy an M5 aren't interested in the emissions, that's why they should push lower emissions on the entry models instead off the top models. If the entry models (like 520, 525, 530) get 5% lower emissions that will offset the 30% higher emissions from an M5 and the emissions will be lower overal. All they had to do was rebody the previous M5 CS, give it a bit more HP to make it faster than the previous one and maybe make it a bit more comfortable for the "base" M5 and develop the suspension and tires to give a broader range off comfy and sporty and build from there... I do hope they'll see the light with this model and make another CS model that ditches the hybrid stuff to make it lighter again and just tune the engine more. The era off hybrids and electric is coming closer every day. Real "driver cars" like an M5 should stay just that and should be the last "greatests hits" car brands should make till they have to switch to hybrid or full electric.
Aside from the lottery I'll never be able to afford the m5 but I love y'all's humor and editing so much that I watch every episode you two and your team put out!
This video didn't need to be this good, but you guys still did it! I will share this with people that are not interested in car content it's that good! Last time I saw this level was... yesterday actually, when I saw Jason and Randy "comparing" M3 and Tesla 3. You guys were there too :D
@ADrunkN1nja yeah , those were the Golden years of automobiles 😭 they done crazy stuff , V10 sedans , sports wagons became a thing , haaaa , i could go all day
It’s hilarious how the German car is the straight line speed bloated land yacht and the American one (CT5V Blackwing) is the light one that is amazing in the corners.
U guys that were in the "it's slower camp" seriously don't understand numbers at all. The old m5 comp will come close but lose to the QM and it will get absolutely destroyed from any type of roll thanks to the new m5 1000nm of torque. Been saying this since it was announced. New m5 is only 0.2 sec slower 0-60 .. after that it wins.
This isn’t a Comp or CS so why would they get either of those? Both are base model M5’s. The G90 Comp will be faster than the F90 Comp. This is what happens when everyone gets their information off tictok.
@G82Watts I understand, and I also understand that being quicker once in the move is much more important than a 0-60 time. But the point about the weight still remains. You don't want the car to feel heavy when driving in the bends or even making slow turns around town.
Ive been patiently waiting to here Thomas’ perspective on this car . I wanted to like this car as someone who’s loved every generation of M5 but he basically called out every fear i had about this car 😫
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The “more i5 with an engine more than an m5 with a battery” comment was on point!
"Every idea he had was nuts" got me good lol. Great work on this episode, such great storytelling to it.
Astonishing how they managed to keep straight faces there :D
BMW: Nuttier than a squirrel turd.
Would have been even more brilliant with an M4
End of the day all the people saying this was slower are looking real dumb rn .. this thing would smoke the old m5 comp
@@G82Watts probably slower around a track despite being much quicker in a straight line
If a Challenger is a boat,that is a fully loaded Container ship
Ok
Burger 🍔🍔🍔
With the power of a Saturn 5 rocket
the challenger is a galleon while the m5 is a man-o-war
Still can hit a turn better 😂
Getting into boat reviews, I see you throttle house!
(I know, beating a dead horse)
Didn't work out, in the end, for the Smoking Tire
yea but still funny :P
Beating a fat horse...
"He was the best employee I've every had! Every idea he had was nuts!" 😂
😂😂😂👍
The production quality of this channel is absolutely class leading. Big ups to everyone working behind the scenes 🙌💯
These guys are fun but production quality of Hagerty is insane
@aneeshmenon3379 I'll check them out
2021 Model was a GEM!!!
the company literally knew that hence why they made the cs
Agreed, just get last generation with a tune and you’re just as fast if not faster
The squirrel segment got me good 😂
Nuts.
😂😂😂👍
Much prefer the styling of the Touring over the sedan, plus the added practicality is a bonus.
Slightly less hideous isn't a good reason to part with 150K
@@OGSiX33 In countries with heavy emmision tax the M5 being a Plugin hybrid makes it cheaper than any of the alternatives (if there even are alternatives available). The RS6 Performance, and the E63s aren't available in the Netherlands for example)
Yeah i'd go with the Touring. I think it looks pretty good, and it's super practical.
@@OGSiX33
maybe 150k with options
But the starting price is reasonable
Where are you from?
Best content. Best production. Everyone else take note.
Except hagarty
Unfortunately, not the best car. This G90 M5 is a huge letdown for me. Can't go back to the glorious E39 days any more...😢
@@geoffwatchescorrect. Yesterday’s video from haggerty had these guys
Nice to meet you, Seb Scription.
Future ceo. Questionable finance modelling ideas.
It’s Not Crazy, Just Mentally Misunderstood.
So do you get a pass to park in ♿ spot?
@@Sam-fs8sx I think anybody giving their money to BMW for this thing deserves a very special parking spot
The intro is so hilarious actually 😂👍
So is this comment
The squirrel reference was actually insane- former bmw employee, and designed every model to have buck teeth grills like himself 😂😂
😂😂😂👍
The E28 M5 is my favourite BMW of all time. I hate touch screens in cars, we have all that shit outside of cars already in our daily lives. It's nice to be able to do something and be somewhere where you don't get any of that crap. Just you and the car and the road ahead.
I loved my e39 too but for a daily driver, a Tesla (no FSD) is still a great buy.
Only these 2 can make me watch an ad for car floor mats
These guys and Hagerty are the GOAT car youtube channels.
Hagerty without Jason Comissa.. he hasn't been the same since him and elon become friends and got the first cybertruck review
@@PEACEOUTXX1 Lol. Gop away now , weird activist.
He d rides tesla yet says on his podcast "he will choose a better track car then daily driver anyday of the week" but doesn't echo the same sentiment on his main channel. Throttle house is alot better. Model 3 POOformance 😂
And Savagegeese
This is such a great video. The storyline, the narration, the humor. You guys are so special, and your chemistry is so amazing.
As a proud owner of a 2023 M5 Competition, I am very happy with the outcome of this review. Long live the F90!!!!
Gae
Very very gae
Same
Lmfao hopefully a proud leaseholder otherwise I have a bridge to sell you 😂
Good on you. The previous one seems better than this new gen M5. You got a comparatively better deal in hindsight.
"Department of questionnable decisions".
Genious. 😍😍😍
I LOVE that the Dept. Of Questionable Decisions has a gamer chair for seating. I hope that was deliberate. If so - bravo!
Take notes RUclipsrs, this is how you advert products so they don’t get skipped.
Literally was going to post this comment, this is how marketing of a product should be done. I thought it was brilliant.
5:57 "the old what" - that delivery was pure s-tier 😂
Great video, as it stands, f90 is peak M5….and the Matsimus speach at the end, brilliant😂
E60 M5 is peak. F90 is the most hyped cause of social media. People hated that car when it can’t out as well.
Audi RS7 vs Mercedes E63 vs BMW M5 2025. Drag Race, Lets go!
Watch "HQCarAcceleration" new m5 beat the rs6 gt and rs7
Quite possibly the best review of any car, ever in the history of the channel. I am serious.
Boys, boys, BOYS; this is a phenomenal video! Top notch quality; editing, banter, ad spot, creativity, content on point! Always raising the bar!
I actually think this is the single best channel on this entire platform.
Best new M5 review! Thanks so much guys!
You guys get better and better. It was worth the excruciating long two weeks wait to have some new content!
Shit's gonna create its own singularity at this rate
😂😂😂👍
This has to be one of the best shows on media, irrespective of genre
I think James's conclusion is the perfect explanation for the car "It feels like an i5 with an engine rather than an m5 with EV"
Looks like a Kia and is hybrid. BMW is dead.
What kia does it look like realistically?😂 or you just hating
@@intocars_24they kind of have a point. The 5 series looks like the 1 an overgrown fat 1 series from the front. The 1 series looks like a kia. Imo the light in the front are terrible. Previous 5 series was perfect looks wise
@@zDemoGODzit will be the best selling M5 model though
This whole episode was just hilarious and very creative. Somehow you keep raising the bar and I really don't know how. Thank you for the excellent video
every idea he had was nuts got me🤣🤣
5:11
“Every single idea he had was nuts”
You guys REALLY stepped it up for this episode!
I continually enjoy the WeatherTech bit. Keep it up.
Having been an M5 fan since 1988 and the E28; the sight of the second door at the end made me chuckle. Then tear up a bit, I'm worried for the future of the auto industry in general as are most of my brothers. 😞
8:20 I thought he was MF doom
bro I swear lol
The mask he wore was an actual prop from the movie 😂👌🏿
Literally my first thought 😂
MF DOOM
TH is really my favorite car channel now. Love the script, your acting is getting much better and the way you present the information is engaging and entertaining!
Canadians are always early with their videos 😂
It's cold and dark out. If we don't get up early, we're going to be stuck in bed until May.
Polar night I guess
You guys are so creatively funny, while also being so informative. The lion had me LOL.
Seems BMW is doing what it can against laws that force it to weigh more, so still beating the straight-line performance is cool and coming close to the older models in terms of handling is going to be rough until lighter battery tech evolves. Either way, I haven't driven it, but I still want it!!
Great video gents...as always. I think car makers are now prioritizing tech over the actual car. I get in my S550 Mustang GT and immediately click the button to put it into Sport+. 6 speed manual, and just drive. Analog gauges, simple radio that connects Bluetooth, and I am off listening to the glorious exhaust note from the FP by Borla exhaust. Tech is what is commanding the high price. Look what we did. So what. I want a fun to drive car and not something that I need to pull out the owners manual to set up. I am a tech guy, and while you were flipping through some of those menus, I just had to go WTF. Whatever happened to K.I.S.S (Keep it simple stupid)? There really is more than 0-60. The car needs to have soul, engagement, and I think a lot of cars are losing that as we head more towards EV's and PHEV's. Oh, and the complexity of that car...that is not a car you buy out of warranty, because your shadetree mechanic ain't fixing that. I've owned an E36 328I, E39 530D and you had a sense of engagement. I would loved to have seen a lap session, which hopefully may come, but your assessments of cars is usually spot on, and when you say it doesn't feel like the old, I am sure you are right.
The amount of joy I derive from watching you guys have fun is just unreasonable.
Also, "barely a Hoffmeister kink." I think you mean it's a Halfmeister kink.
25 mins and over 10k in views?! 😮 Great Work as usual Throttle House!!
Sat in it a week ago. Didn't feel special like the F90 M5. What a shame. They really managed to make this out of what was once the ultra sedan.
It's not even "gonna grow on you" hell nah it was even worse live. No nicely done proportions at all almost.
Thank you throttle house for your brutally honest comparison with the F90.
Really appreciate it that people don't just accept things but speak out on what is really wanted.
“Just wanted it to be better” sums it up well.
Saying the old M5 feels like a M3 in comparison says a lot. I've always felt the M5 should be the "sporty executive". Comfortable and fast for the commute into office but also fun enough to choose the long way home after a day full of meetings. F90 would be my pick.
I think you meant to say the new M5, as was said in the vid
It would be a game charger if they would imitate Porsche with what they did with the Cayenne; the Turbo S E-Hybrid had the most HP, but then they got rid of the hybrid system to make the Turbo GT, and made it lighter, and quicker, which is as if the G90 M5 would go back to being an F90 M5 CS in a way. Remove anything that strips performance, like the hybrid system, and other components, to make an incredibly agile beast. Then the new M5 would be "cooler" than it is. Some of us don't mind the hybrid system, like the E-Hybrid Porsches, but others want the Turbo GT / M5 CS variant.
But that would require BMW actually caring AND being in touch with what their customers want, and if the current generation of M series tells us anything, they have a problem doing that.
@@arjunmadan318
After seeing the hate the new C63 got and confirmation that this G90 M5 was meant to be electric, I’d say they are in touch with the customers. Keep in mind I said customers and not upset keyboards warriors.
The C63 is faster than ever but because of the engine it’s not doing well sales wise.
@@gaara4667 Wait who said it was supposed to be electric?
I thought the point was to get the XM-drivetrain into the 5 series?
1. Another amazing video as always. 2. I have absolutely no desire to have a sedan that weighs as much as a Pickup Truck, and I love sedans....
Here for the comedy skits. You guys are halarious, don't stop!
I absolutely love this car. We still have a v8 in an M5! In a couple years I’ll get a used one
You won't want to deal with the hurtles and money it's gonna take to keep this driving computer on the road.
Cars like these will never going to be classics.
@@charliefrharper Pure speculation. No reasons why computers cannot last long time. My phone is now many years old and unlike a car that will be on (driven) few hours a day, phone is up 24/7. And guess what - it works just fine. Besides, chips are cheap to replace and easy to diagnose malfunctions. The real hurdle is to keep an old BMW on the road and yet people still do 🤷
@@charliefrharperpeople been saying this for decades now…
“Sorry, you’re last employee was a squirrel?”
“Yeah, every single idea he had was nuts!” 😂
The closing Galdiator is spot on. Good job!
5:12 I love how you can tell James is trying extremely hard not to laugh
I think the Estate variant helps… somewhat. Thanks for the video.
I've waited so long for you guys to review this car🤭🤭
Hi I'm Seb Scribe, this is my partner Lichen. I feel like this car will age better, as every M car does pretty much. Design wise it's an improvement to my eye over the beaver teeth M3/M4. Just a shame it doesn't have a bit more edge to it, turn off the nannies and let the e-motor run wild breaking tires free, crazy burn outs, drifts, etc. Maybe something software can help with aftermarket
10:36 I thought someone was knocking my door
lmao 😅
Great review; the only thing I would say is, what person with an M5 tracks their car? People want to go fast, sit in luxury, have their tech, and, last but not least, stand out. Regarding the price point from the factory, is there even a competitor right now?!
For me, one word reason for considering the new M5: Touring!
Yes, but...
haha. M3 Touring much better deal. 700Kgs less. Audi RS6 performance also
also the E63 wagon
Takes notes MKBHD, if you want to rev out your car, rent a track.
Boys I think this is your best produced video yet
Just like Wooderson once said (you have to say it in his voice) .. horsepower keeps getting bigger, but we're still going the saaaammmee speed
Nothing like waking up to a new Throttle House video!
LOL, "Department of Questionable Decisions" 🤣🤣🤣
literally the only car reviews that are not cringe/feel sponsored by the manufacturer...
About time ! I was waiting for these guys' review of this car. Their reviews are the best and are always unbiased and thorough.
Imagine what this is going to be like to repair once it hits 50k miles and all that stuff starts breaking randomly. Why does BMW think we want so much complexity? How about just turning up the boost and giving us 700hp without all the heavy batteries and electric motors? I bet the fuel economy would be identical if they’d just remove 400lbs of crap in the process.
Regulations probably, they can claim this one has 100 mpg
Its not really about fuel economy but about emissions.
If you want a V8 with 600hp nowadays, youre not gonna get arround some hybrids.
I think the best sports cars were already built - if you are looking for emotions.
The electric era cars will for sure be faster arround most tracks in the near future.
The reference to "what an M5 is supposed to be" by one of the guys (what were their names again?) in the beginning - reminds of an interview done with the actual current BMW designer - the guy with the most respectable manbun - and always dressed in strictly black. He said - "we looked at the BMWs of past - and asked ourselves - what is BMW design? Yes, it was always non-aggressive and soft". And at that point - all I could think of - was WHAT? Look at any BMW - up to E60 (non inclusive, heh heh) - and then F10 and even G30 - and compare it with the closest competitor from Audi and Mercedes. BMW HAS ALWAYS been - the most aggressive, sharpest, most muscular and sporty (all that elegantly combined with BMW's own invented tradition that had continued for decades and decades, until Mr Black Vaping non-aggressor - came to be. Or until Bangle came to be - but he quickly ceased). BMW has lost its design edge - and yes, many people - myself included - value well-designed cars. But more importantly - BMW has lost the idea of what an M5 is supposed to be. It no longer is the incredibly fast and well-handling (and practical) hoonigan that the E28, E34 and E39 M5s were. NOW - IT. IS. A. PRODUCT. M5 now "has to" have gazillions of "techy" driving modes, gazillions of gadgets, and it has to do "all that". Take your dog to the vet (G91), your missus to the store and yourself to the track - while letting you pee in excitement (if you're a german tech-boy) because of all the modes and screens. But that was never what M5 was supposed to be - but we (or the market, that is) is way past that. So why have soul, BMW - when all your "lesser" cars now have M-Sport lines and suspensions sold as high-value options - and when influencers like Joe Achilles - can simply SELL whatever you THINK the autobahn buddies will buy? Speaking of autobahn - in order to understand BMW more - you need to visit the place where they are made. Not Dingolfing specifically - although a city with that name would warrant visiting it on its own - but the Autobahns, cities and production facilities all around BMW. Not only because BMWs are mostly made for the local market (Germany still a major tech-oriented country with 90 million people) - but also, because what BMW engineers and bean (or nut) counters imagine and think - is what they breathe and understand - being in the local environment (which is where they live, obviously). So - what DO they breathe and understand in the local environment? Well... Mercedes is the elegant granpa car. It has (supposed) class and luxury - and is kinda the "big daddy" - or at least imagines itself to be (visit Stuttgart and Mercedes museums to understand this). Then there's VW and audi - which is "people's car". It's the more down-to earth, honest and everyday choice. Then there's BMW. So where does it fit in? What is its identity? Immediately - watching new cars on the autobahn - it becomes clear. BMW is orienting itself towards the aspiring rising German tech boy. The one who will race you at any point and moment on the autobahn. The one which values telling his buddies how well the aroma/scent package in their newest M FUNF - works - and how the diff can send this or that amount of torque to this or that wheel. The customer who wants something special - compared to the sleekness of Merc - and down-to-earthness - of VW. So BMW makes ugly cars - just to be noticed (just like they made sporty, aggressive lines in everything from E12 to E39 and from E21 to F30) - and it gives you that driving quality edge (because it still has some engineers left in the company, not only accountants and CEOs). Lastly - the LEGISLATION. And it is a big one - which makes M5 a BIG one. It's either batteries and electric range (where is this all crap stipulated?) - or a four-popper with minimum grams per CO2 per 100 km. Think the new C-Class AMG. So it's either a fest for tech-boys, with decent handling (IN SPITE of weighing half a ton more than the previous version!) - and a do-it-all superwagon - or an even more compromised fast calculator on wheels. Speaking of calculating - has anyone at EU level calculated - what amount of CO2 would be saved - if BMW just made another Twin-turbo V8 - WITHOUT the batteries? WIthout the mandatory hybrid? Without the complexity and the weight? Oh, wait, the Green Party in Germany is getting stronger and stronger. Yeah. Makes sense.
I thought BMW was "the ultimate driving machine". The last thing the M5 ever needed was a hybrid system. It's an M car for F sakes 😂😂 1000lbs over the previous generation is wild!
They are not allowed to do that. Eu regulations. And who cares, its faster then the previous m5!
23:35 Absolutely epic
I actually like the looks of this but can definitely get why anyone who likes a traditional BMW thinks this is ugly. Hoping this is just an awkward first step into PHEV and the LCI or next-gen is significantly improved in terms of weight, engines, dynamics, ect.
How can you like this abomination? It looks like a Kia with a body kit.
THAT DRAG RACE WAS UNEXPECTED! You guys never fail to amaze me! Keep up the amazing work.
The should have used an M5 CS
So happy they put to rest all the people saying it's slower then the old one based on "bmw on paper numbers" I knew they would look like morons. This car is an animal when it comes to torque.
@@Evinrudeeeethey were testing og m5 vs m5 not the special editions
I think that this M5 looks good honestly, its road presence is unmatched. But the issue is with the weight and powertrain, if they really had to make it that heavy, they shudve given it atleast 809 horses to make it very fast atleast cuz right now its neither agile nor mentally fast
Good? It looks like a Kia lmao. Hybrid M5, yeah bmw is dead.
unmatched cause it's absolutely horrid. Def not moving over for this one
@@zDemoGODzBMW is everything else than dead
I think it looks great
@@v12-s65 Horrid is such an overstatement, hate is a freaking trend, it does not look as good as other m5's but it definitely looks good isolated
The editing at the beginning across the 5 series & M5 was veryyy slick. Good work.
Welcome back!!
The development was years ago, and they had to decide on this type of drivetrain based on the future regulations. As a cherry on top, we got the touring, but without the trick with the rear window... the E53! AMG already weighs - and they kept the weight secret for a long time - as much as the BMW and Audi will not be able to avoid the hybrid either, if there is ever going to be an RS5 (what a name-shame). New times... we are happy that we were able to be part of the old ones...
not bad but f90 is 10 times better
It’s lighter and looks better but other than that the G is better
G90 is faster
G90 better interior, more presence, better daily driver, faster in straight line. I think the new m5 cs will be perfect.
finally a review channel that's honest. and not glazing bmw for their stupid decisions
The photos on the office wall made me piss my pants.
Haven't watched any other M5 videos because I have zero interest in this car, but I knew this one would be good and the boys did not disappoint!
Also, this was such a great video, all-around. Loved the office discussion scenes, the title cards on the door, and as usual the insights and vibrance Throttle House brings to all their work. Bravo!
They had an absolute banger with the previous M5 CS. People who buy an M5 aren't interested in the emissions, that's why they should push lower emissions on the entry models instead off the top models. If the entry models (like 520, 525, 530) get 5% lower emissions that will offset the 30% higher emissions from an M5 and the emissions will be lower overal.
All they had to do was rebody the previous M5 CS, give it a bit more HP to make it faster than the previous one and maybe make it a bit more comfortable for the "base" M5 and develop the suspension and tires to give a broader range off comfy and sporty and build from there...
I do hope they'll see the light with this model and make another CS model that ditches the hybrid stuff to make it lighter again and just tune the engine more.
The era off hybrids and electric is coming closer every day.
Real "driver cars" like an M5 should stay just that and should be the last "greatests hits" car brands should make till they have to switch to hybrid or full electric.
I LOVE THROTTLE HOUSE ❤❤
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Aside from the lottery I'll never be able to afford the m5 but I love y'all's humor and editing so much that I watch every episode you two and your team put out!
At 11:00am today, I am test driving the M5 and likely buying it.
This is great timing.
Good for you Alan 🎉
Can I come😢
Did you pull the trigger?
This video didn't need to be this good, but you guys still did it! I will share this with people that are not interested in car content it's that good!
Last time I saw this level was... yesterday actually, when I saw Jason and Randy "comparing" M3 and Tesla 3. You guys were there too :D
New BMW XB7 Alpine release This Year! Please review it braahh
Yo I bust out laughing when he said “stitching get stitches” and it was so corny 😂😂😂😂😂
Amazing intro with the posters of the iX, M235i, and especially XM!!
Thomas really looks like younger Russell Crowe as well 😮
Bring back prime BMW (2005-2020)
*2000-2012
Nah man , 2015-2021 cars were brilliant and best in segment@@Pawcio2115
im sorry but yall getting old
Same can be said for Audi and AMG. And a lot of other brands.
@ADrunkN1nja yeah , those were the Golden years of automobiles 😭 they done crazy stuff , V10 sedans , sports wagons became a thing , haaaa , i could go all day
The fact that the BMW receptionist thought the Department of Questionable Decisions was responsible for the new M5...is hilarious.
It’s hilarious how the German car is the straight line speed bloated land yacht and the American one (CT5V Blackwing) is the light one that is amazing in the corners.
And which ones sell better?
Absolutely killed in on this video. Well done guys
I bet if you got an m5 comp or certainly a cs, it would have beaten the new one even in the drag race. And most certainly even better in the corners
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U guys that were in the "it's slower camp" seriously don't understand numbers at all. The old m5 comp will come close but lose to the QM and it will get absolutely destroyed from any type of roll thanks to the new m5 1000nm of torque. Been saying this since it was announced. New m5 is only 0.2 sec slower 0-60 .. after that it wins.
This isn’t a Comp or CS so why would they get either of those? Both are base model M5’s. The G90 Comp will be faster than the F90 Comp. This is what happens when everyone gets their information off tictok.
@G82Watts I understand, and I also understand that being quicker once in the move is much more important than a 0-60 time. But the point about the weight still remains. You don't want the car to feel heavy when driving in the bends or even making slow turns around town.
Well that would’ve been an unnecessary and senseless comparison.
Ive been patiently waiting to here Thomas’ perspective on this car . I wanted to like this car as someone who’s loved every generation of M5 but he basically called out every fear i had about this car 😫
I've missed yall
It looks like a Taurus SHO from the old days. Great review, you gentlement are the best!