I've been dabbling with this stuff since art school in the 70's and I've found there's a huge difference in the effects that different camera-monitor combinations can create. I was able to get things with VHS and tube monitors that I can't get with the digital equipment now (and vice-versa). Also, if you mount the camera you'll get more-controlled, steady images, but not nearly as creative as hand-held can produce by moving through different parts of the image. But a hand-held feed-back loop is an extremely sensitive thing to maintain and the micro-panning required takes the patience and control of a Zen master.
The secret of maximum chaos is to use a video camera (or analog video processor like Jim Crutchfield does in this video, or I suppose you could use a digital computer if you really wanted to) that inverts the brightness (plus whatever other less dramatic distortions you want to mix in). That way black goes to white and white goes to black, so it never fully washes out to white or fades out to black, and there's always something exciting happening, since the candle can never blow out. I once had an old video camera that actually had a built-in switch that did that, and was perfect for video feedback!
I found that all to be true also - so I made this device to enable fine control over the camera position and rotation (I'm now in the process of adding a second rotating rod that will have a small monitor on it). You can see the device here: ruclips.net/video/wMeV98BHLVE/видео.html
I did amazing feedback in the late 80s early 90s, but you're right, once the tvs and video cameras changed, it pretty much stopped being as interesting as far as the circular aboriginal style that would sit there and crawl like living bacteria. I've actually managed to find the old camera I used, now I just need the right old cathode ray television, though they are disappearing quick, and oddly enough, even ones from the early 2000s won't get the job done. I need a TV from the 80s. Recently, I saw the work of a younger guy using a modern video switcher that is pretty amazing. I took some notes on what he's using. Of course, this is a non-paying hobby, although I plan to use it as one source for layering in a twitch channel. It's kind of amazing that there is probably feedback out there that could've been made with particular equipment and never was and is permanently lost in time. I made several hours on VHS, but it would be cool to go back and do more. I also had some other tricks. There were ways to add more imagery into the feedback loop that it would use to turnover on top of.
@@Nonconceptuality the reason that is, is because both are revealing underlying realities of the nature of space time. Its only interesting/fascinating/fun when watching machines do it, because we are missing the emotional component. So its like...."look at that, isnt that neat". When brains do it, not only do we have the visual component, the emotional brain also starts feedbacking in such a way, which allows the emotional brain to perceive the same mathematical nature of reality. Obviously the human interpretation of that would be like "holy shit, everything is stemming from one thing, and thats the meaning of life". But really all both are, are just representations of the core mathematics of life. When we watch machines do it, we're missing the qualia part of the experience. Thats why one is "mystical" and the other is "fascinating"
Aside from smooth camera control, distance from the monitor, zoom, and rotation are all important. Ideally, the camera should keep a dead-center aim while being able to rotate vertically 360 degrees. At 180 degrees, every other signal is upside down and its this bouncing back and forth to infinity that generates patterns. Just like you'd draw a star, that angle makes stars. But you get the same sequence of patterns in reverse order in the up-swing from 180-360. If you split the feed into several projectors projecting images close together and film it, the images begin to work as one.
I have the tape! But when I ripped it I got 720p ha. There's a second section on my video here: ruclips.net/video/erRR3LmKLD0/видео.html - I never knew they were already uploaded!
You are not alive. Nothing is alive. There is no life. There is no matter, or energy. Reality does not exist. All that is, is a bit of math solving itself.
russ1618 Reality is like a coin flip, except the said coin has more than two sides. Our minds could indeed be creating all that we know and see, and be nothing more than a set of numbers crunching until they expire, OR it could a shit ton of other things.
nope, it totally is. It shows the underlying nature of reality. Now do DMT so you can throw your emotional brain and sensory perception into this exact same experience and actually live it
Doing this is pretty easy. It's just a feedback loop. I used to do this in 1991 or 1992 with a small handheld camcorcder hooked up to the input on my tv. Started recording it one night, and created some amazing videos(they are around somewhere on an old hi8 videotape). Set them to music, showed some friends in college how to do it and never really thought about it again till tonight.
Did you happen to be in Dallas when you did this? If so, ever show it to 2 long haired headbangers on lsd who somehow found themselves tripping amongst a large group of preppies who were also on lsd in a very nice house somewhere around Deep Ellum?
Wow! These are really amazing. Time to dig out my old Sony DV Camcorder. I can't imagine I could create anything like this though. EDIT: no RCA inputs on modern TV's. Order and RCA to HDMI converter, $20 on Amazon.
I created some feedback that looked a lot like the virus like imagery in yellow in the middle of this video (I have hours of it and I still have never seen anything like it. Also not sure how you'd make it in effects programs. It could be done, but it would take forever). You had to rotate the camera to get it moving, which was pretty surreal. it was very weird getting something so organic out of a television and a video camera, it was kind of creepy as if something was attempting to exit the electronics. Ironically, as cameras and televisions both advanced, the feedback changed, but mostly got less interesting, and less stable (meaning the gear was more stable at wiping out abberations). I found some interesting combinations with projectors, but can't really reveal what I was doing but it was nuts. Plus not every camera and every tv worked either. There were specific brands that worked, and as I said, by the mid 90s, the gear changed the look and then stopped generating it overall. However, there is a guy posting on RUclips who has been using more recent video mixers, and getting some wild results.
richard burmer - excerpts from "mosaic" eberhard schoener - "bali agung" - Nadi m nature - rio chama* *I can't find anything about this artist or track on the internet. And if you can find it, a similar soundtrack accompanies Fortuna Records/Synopsis Video "Watercolors" (VHS). Another one I can't find on the internet.
Then allow me to save you the trouble of finding that tracklist. (I should have just posted it with that other comment!) ------- Watercolors video track list (1989) steve roach - levels richard burmer - excerpts from Bhakti point steve roach - reflections in suspension richard burmer - winter on the wind mike christopher - fire walker steve roach - snow canon richard burmer - physics richard burmer - 88 steve roach - spheres kevin braheny - lullabys from the hearts of space richard burmer - riverbend richard burmer - Ela-A (theme #2) steve roach - the ritual continues kevin monahan - blue future steve roach - canyon sound
Found this via Andrés Gómez’ presentation on the fresh “Symmetry Theory of Valence”, attempting to explain why these patterns feels so good: ruclips.net/video/tSPZ4xt5f2k/видео.html
Been experimenting with video feedback for a few years now,different cameras different screens. Can tell you there is a deeper "something" going on . Obvious "sacred" symbols will return again and again.. Landscapes and clouds all kinds of recognisable terrain and topologies
Shazam sends me to a rapper that sampled the music, not the actual music? Can someone make a track listing of these tunes? I feel like Steve Roach is in there somewhere?
This is gold! Thinking about all the Math comments...Math is limited, as it is a human expression. Mathematical solvers, derivatives, etc. can only ever propagate a partial of the full construct.
@@woonyhax5039 I think you underestimate math a little. It doesn't have to follow ordinary "human" rules. You can use any appropriate axioms for a system, and do some very very abstract maths.
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I've been dabbling with this stuff since art school in the 70's and I've found there's a huge difference in the effects that different camera-monitor combinations can create. I was able to get things with VHS and tube monitors that I can't get with the digital equipment now (and vice-versa). Also, if you mount the camera you'll get more-controlled, steady images, but not nearly as creative as hand-held can produce by moving through different parts of the image. But a hand-held feed-back loop is an extremely sensitive thing to maintain and the micro-panning required takes the patience and control of a Zen master.
B/W cameras/TVs are probably the best to make clean cycles, just look at the Doctor Who theme from 1963
The secret of maximum chaos is to use a video camera (or analog video processor like Jim Crutchfield does in this video, or I suppose you could use a digital computer if you really wanted to) that inverts the brightness (plus whatever other less dramatic distortions you want to mix in). That way black goes to white and white goes to black, so it never fully washes out to white or fades out to black, and there's always something exciting happening, since the candle can never blow out. I once had an old video camera that actually had a built-in switch that did that, and was perfect for video feedback!
L7 I had similar experience with analog and digital guitar/synth effects.
I found that all to be true also - so I made this device to enable fine control over the camera position and rotation (I'm now in the process of adding a second rotating rod that will have a small monitor on it). You can see the device here: ruclips.net/video/wMeV98BHLVE/видео.html
I did amazing feedback in the late 80s early 90s, but you're right, once the tvs and video cameras changed, it pretty much stopped being as interesting as far as the circular aboriginal style that would sit there and crawl like living bacteria. I've actually managed to find the old camera I used, now I just need the right old cathode ray television, though they are disappearing quick, and oddly enough, even ones from the early 2000s won't get the job done. I need a TV from the 80s.
Recently, I saw the work of a younger guy using a modern video switcher that is pretty amazing. I took some notes on what he's using. Of course, this is a non-paying hobby, although I plan to use it as one source for layering in a twitch channel.
It's kind of amazing that there is probably feedback out there that could've been made with particular equipment and never was and is permanently lost in time. I made several hours on VHS, but it would be cool to go back and do more. I also had some other tricks. There were ways to add more imagery into the feedback loop that it would use to turnover on top of.
My eternal gratitude to you for posting this. One of the best things I’ve seen on RUclips (and I watch a LOT, lol).
Finally a documentary about the creation of the universe.
“Noise-driven spatial structures in a relaxation oscillator” sounds like every good drug trip
The pattern at 4:40 reminds me of the educational video about how to turn a sphere inside out
This is nothing less than an expression of how consciousness creates EVERYTHING simply by the shifting of focus back onto itself.
Lol. Ok mate. Whatever you say.
thats right, without consciousness recognising itself there would be no reality, there would be no substance. Such is the paradox of life and death.
Ross Oldenburg When machines do it, it's interesting and fascinating. When consciousness does it, it's mystical.
+Roy Dopson thanx, i was looking for such a idea in the comments.
@@Nonconceptuality the reason that is, is because both are revealing underlying realities of the nature of space time. Its only interesting/fascinating/fun when watching machines do it, because we are missing the emotional component. So its like...."look at that, isnt that neat". When brains do it, not only do we have the visual component, the emotional brain also starts feedbacking in such a way, which allows the emotional brain to perceive the same mathematical nature of reality. Obviously the human interpretation of that would be like "holy shit, everything is stemming from one thing, and thats the meaning of life". But really all both are, are just representations of the core mathematics of life. When we watch machines do it, we're missing the qualia part of the experience. Thats why one is "mystical" and the other is "fascinating"
I'm so relaxed watching this...
Aside from smooth camera control, distance from the monitor, zoom, and rotation are all important. Ideally, the camera should keep a dead-center aim while being able to rotate vertically 360 degrees. At 180 degrees, every other signal is upside down and its this bouncing back and forth to infinity that generates patterns. Just like you'd draw a star, that angle makes stars. But you get the same sequence of patterns in reverse order in the up-swing from 180-360. If you split the feed into several projectors projecting images close together and film it, the images begin to work as one.
Now we need to get hold of the original tapes and do a proper 60fps transfer in 720p
I have the tape! But when I ripped it I got 720p ha. There's a second section on my video here: ruclips.net/video/erRR3LmKLD0/видео.html - I never knew they were already uploaded!
after watching this i'm not sure if i'm still alive tbh
You are not alive. Nothing is alive. There is no life. There is no matter, or energy. Reality does not exist. All that is, is a bit of math solving itself.
russ1618
Reality is like a coin flip, except the said coin has more than two sides. Our minds could indeed be creating all that we know and see, and be nothing more than a set of numbers crunching until they expire, OR it could a shit ton of other things.
cyborghyena , of course, everything could be anything. Whatever it is will still be mathematical.
How would you know if you haven't already been dead before ?
I wish there were a instructional portion the video. My soldering iron would already be warming up.
15 minutes not wasted.
The sound adds a whole new level to these images
That must have been fun, Jim, and a lot of work!
a video camera views its monitor and gains sentience
I'd love a umatic copy, but this deserves a wider-spread VHS release, too. Calling Basement Labs......
This is what happens when you leave my teenage self alone with the video camera. The subsequent LSD trips are enigmatic.
Am I crazy for thinking this is kind of profound?
nope, it totally is. It shows the underlying nature of reality. Now do DMT so you can throw your emotional brain and sensory perception into this exact same experience and actually live it
somebody knows how to get one of the original tape?
Doing this is pretty easy. It's just a feedback loop. I used to do this in 1991 or 1992 with a small handheld camcorcder hooked up to the input on my tv. Started recording it one night, and created some amazing videos(they are around somewhere on an old hi8 videotape). Set them to music, showed some friends in college how to do it and never really thought about it again till tonight.
you should upload those if you find them
Did you happen to be in Dallas when you did this? If so, ever show it to 2 long haired headbangers on lsd who somehow found themselves tripping amongst a large group of preppies who were also on lsd in a very nice house somewhere around Deep Ellum?
@@Am_I_really_not_really_I_AM it was actually in Jeddah Saudi Arabia when I was 14 years old in 1992
you wanna get Lumen Video Synth for mac
Wow! These are really amazing. Time to dig out my old Sony DV Camcorder. I can't imagine I could create anything like this though. EDIT: no RCA inputs on modern TV's. Order and RCA to HDMI converter, $20 on Amazon.
does someone know the name of the track by minute 4:14
tfw this discarded video footage actually becomes eventually the bedrock of the Grand Unifying Theory of Everything.
This is really interesting. Do you have any information about the music at all?
Agree, music is wonderful
Physics, by Richard Burmer
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Is it possible to create life in a two-dimensional world with this method?
15:31 remind me of a robots fingerprint?
I created some feedback that looked a lot like the virus like imagery in yellow in the middle of this video (I have hours of it and I still have never seen anything like it. Also not sure how you'd make it in effects programs. It could be done, but it would take forever). You had to rotate the camera to get it moving, which was pretty surreal. it was very weird getting something so organic out of a television and a video camera, it was kind of creepy as if something was attempting to exit the electronics. Ironically, as cameras and televisions both advanced, the feedback changed, but mostly got less interesting, and less stable (meaning the gear was more stable at wiping out abberations). I found some interesting combinations with projectors, but can't really reveal what I was doing but it was nuts. Plus not every camera and every tv worked either. There were specific brands that worked, and as I said, by the mid 90s, the gear changed the look and then stopped generating it overall. However, there is a guy posting on RUclips who has been using more recent video mixers, and getting some wild results.
who was the guy?
Would it be accurate to describe this system as a kind of analog computer?
yes
who made the music? this is pure beauty
richard burmer - excerpts from "mosaic"
eberhard schoener - "bali agung" - Nadi
m nature - rio chama*
*I can't find anything about this artist or track on the internet.
And if you can find it, a similar soundtrack accompanies Fortuna Records/Synopsis Video "Watercolors" (VHS). Another one I can't find on the internet.
You just opened me a path of incredible knowledge, thank you very very much for this
Then allow me to save you the trouble of finding that tracklist. (I should have just posted it with that other comment!)
-------
Watercolors video track list (1989)
steve roach - levels
richard burmer - excerpts from Bhakti point
steve roach - reflections in suspension
richard burmer - winter on the wind
mike christopher - fire walker
steve roach - snow canon
richard burmer - physics
richard burmer - 88
steve roach - spheres
kevin braheny - lullabys from the hearts of space
richard burmer - riverbend
richard burmer - Ela-A (theme #2)
steve roach - the ritual continues
kevin monahan - blue future
steve roach - canyon sound
a year has past, cant thank you enough for this soundtrack
@@valeriahernan wholesome youtube interaction !!
I like your style.
May I use some of the footage in this video?
How did you create stable objects whenever I've tried it all goes mental fast
Zoom out, lock in a whole number symmetry, turn down your saturation, then bring it back up slowly.
Mesmerizing effects! Is this how emergence will raise?
Found this via Andrés Gómez’ presentation on the fresh “Symmetry Theory of Valence”, attempting to explain why these patterns feels so good:
ruclips.net/video/tSPZ4xt5f2k/видео.html
Been experimenting with video feedback for a few years now,different cameras different screens. Can tell you there is a deeper "something" going on . Obvious "sacred" symbols will return again and again.. Landscapes and clouds all kinds of recognisable terrain and topologies
Shazam sends me to a rapper that sampled the music, not the actual music? Can someone make a track listing of these tunes? I feel like Steve Roach is in there somewhere?
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Awesome thanks for sharing.
Looks like a video camera version of a spirograph.
Winamp visualizations but they're analog.
And when the universe looks at itself too closely, all it sees is quantum foam.
Hello
wasted 15 minutes 33 seconds of my glasses trying to find my life after watching me watching this in a video
I smoke da ganja
This is gold! Thinking about all the Math comments...Math is limited, as it is a human expression. Mathematical solvers, derivatives, etc. can only ever propagate a partial of the full construct.
Also love all the synth tunes in this one!
@@woonyhax5039 I think you underestimate math a little. It doesn't have to follow ordinary "human" rules. You can use any appropriate axioms for a system, and do some very very abstract maths.
Hi man
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