It must’ve hurt to be the mormont who failed to pass on his families legacy. To be the last Mormont to wield it. Seeing Jon walk away must’ve stung him deep
I think this gesture shows that Mormont is one of those who took his vows seriously. He is brother of the Night's watch and lord commander and he left his titles, claims and etc. in his previous life
I don't think so. Almost every woman of house Mormont is a capable warrior. He gave it to Jon because he WANTED HIM to have it. His line wasn't ended his son was just an a hole. Additionally, giving him the sword of the current Lord Commander legitimizes Jon as a possible successor and Jorah is training Jon for command.
@@jebbush458 his line wasn't ended because Jorah literally ran away before Ned Stark could execute him for selling freemen into slavery. Lyanna was a cousin or something. Mormont's line was for all intents, over. He'd given up his claims, and his son had been stripped of everything he'd inherited. It passed to Lyanna. The child daughter of some second son of some second son. Regarding @hawnt2r, I think Mormont had made his piece with it by then. It actually makes you wonder why he even had the sword anyway, and hadn't sent it to Lyanna. Being in the Watch, he had no claim to it. But also, the job of the Lords wasn't for their families to weild the swords for ever, but to ensure the swords existed. Which Mormont had done. He protected it til he could no longer, and then gave it to the honorable Stark bastard, who turned out to be Targaryn prince.
@@maxdecphoenix Lyanna was Jorah's cousin but was his father Jeors niece not the child of some second son of some second son. As for how he ended up with the sword his sister Maege, Lyanna's mother gave it to him at the wall.
Jon was too naive to see Mormont made him his steward to keep him safe and also so he could mentor him personally without seeming biased. But he respected Ned and Starks to trust Jon and Benjen a lot with important matters.
Think about it from Mormont's perspective: You got a bastard from the greatest ally of the Watch coming to take the oath. Not only is the bastard's father extremely loved and feared by the people he needs to be, but the bastard was raised among his half-sibling - The heir to fucking Winterfell. Oh! And the bastard has a direwolf with him - The sigil of his father's house. He even has control over the beast. Of course you take him under your wing - Of course you want him of all candidates to replace you.
It also means that if Jon ever becomes Lord Commander then he might have a better chance of getting aid from Winterfell, however little they could afford to send at least.
Yeah having the ear of the Starks is crucial for the Watch's survival. It's probably why Benjen Stark is First Ranger instead of Qhorin Halfhand. Had the War of Five Kings not happened, Jon would have basically had near full access to Winterfell's resources. The Watch and the Starks would almost be one House.
I just realized that Jon made good on Jeor's words later in King's Landing. Whereas the hand that Alliser brought had likely rotted/stopped moving by the time it made it all the way to the castle, Jon simply brought the entire wight back and its hand was chopped off there.
@@FerretJohnthen why the fuck did we spend entire seasons establishing that. Bran took fucking forever going to the north of the wall. 4-5 seasons if I remember correctly. Hodor could’ve put Bran in a box, run for a day ‘til he reached the wall, jumped over it in a single bound then farted to slow his fall. Then it’s a nice brisk, 15 minute jog until he reaches three-eyed raven. See how it makes no sense?
I forgot all about that line from Mormont sending the zombie hand to Joffery. talk about a dead plotline. Literally never brought up again, and Thorn is back at castle black by the start of the next season. Guess it was just an optional side-quest for him.
thorn is not back in the "next" season. because you do not see him in season 2 and 3. in season 4 when jon returns to the wall he is back. and joffrey is just like "oh okay" and thats it.
I mean, did you really need a scene to know that Jeofrey (or Cersei for that matter) would tell Thorne to fuck off? That's even considering they would give him and audience.
Even though Jorah's casting is super inaccurate compared to book descriptions I always thought he and Jeor made a fairly believable father and son on the show.
Reason he took Jon under his wing is because he was a high born child which means he is Educated, cultured, Combat efficient and intelligent (insanely more intelligent than an uneducated peasant. Also his father was an insanely honorable man, so like father like son.
He's also a bastard, someone whose station is inherently "lower" than everyone else "trueborn" -- yet despite that, Jon still acts nobly, honorably, and takes his vows seriously. To Mormont, Jon likely would never WANT to lead, which is why he'd be such a great leader. Even when the vote happens, Jon doesn't apply, Sam does it for him.
tywin Lannister, the richest man in westeros is still too poor to buy a valyrian steel sword from any of the other noble houses but Jon gets that shit for free
Truth. Let’s not forget that good ol tywin resorted to melting down Ice, a stark family sword, into two smaller valyrian steel swords just to try and ensure his family’s legacy. He really didn’t sh$t gold after all
In the books they also sent Alliser to Kings Landing just like here. But Tyrion kept him waiting for too long and the hand rotted, so it was not convincing.
In Hindu epic Mahabharata, the moment a lowborn son 'Karna' showed the valour, 'Duryodhan' made him a king to get all the aid he could. Jeor knew, Jon had all the benefits of been brought up by Ned except the extra pampering which spoiled the good fruit.
Jorah explains at some point, he had a wife with taste beyond his means, so to make more money he sold some men into slavery. Got caught, and banished from Westeros.
I wonder if The Lord Commander knew of John's actual heritage, that he was the son of Lyanna Stark and Raegar Targaryen. And that's why he always did what was best for John. Hmmmm
He renounced his titles as head of house Mormont and Lord of Bear Island, joined the Night’s Watch, and eventually became Lord Commander. Jon addresses him as My Lord, as in My Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch.
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It must’ve hurt to be the mormont who failed to pass on his families legacy. To be the last Mormont to wield it. Seeing Jon walk away must’ve stung him deep
I think this gesture shows that Mormont is one of those who took his vows seriously. He is brother of the Night's watch and lord commander and he left his titles, claims and etc. in his previous life
House Mormont knows no king but the king in the north, whose name is stark.
I don't think so. Almost every woman of house Mormont is a capable warrior. He gave it to Jon because he WANTED HIM to have it. His line wasn't ended his son was just an a hole. Additionally, giving him the sword of the current Lord Commander legitimizes Jon as a possible successor and Jorah is training Jon for command.
@@jebbush458 his line wasn't ended because Jorah literally ran away before Ned Stark could execute him for selling freemen into slavery. Lyanna was a cousin or something. Mormont's line was for all intents, over. He'd given up his claims, and his son had been stripped of everything he'd inherited. It passed to Lyanna. The child daughter of some second son of some second son.
Regarding @hawnt2r, I think Mormont had made his piece with it by then. It actually makes you wonder why he even had the sword anyway, and hadn't sent it to Lyanna. Being in the Watch, he had no claim to it. But also, the job of the Lords wasn't for their families to weild the swords for ever, but to ensure the swords existed. Which Mormont had done. He protected it til he could no longer, and then gave it to the honorable Stark bastard, who turned out to be Targaryn prince.
@@maxdecphoenix Lyanna was Jorah's cousin but was his father Jeors niece not the child of some second son of some second son. As for how he ended up with the sword his sister Maege, Lyanna's mother gave it to him at the wall.
Jon was too naive to see Mormont made him his steward to keep him safe and also so he could mentor him personally without seeming biased. But he respected Ned and Starks to trust Jon and Benjen a lot with important matters.
The Starks proved trustworthy. Not just to the Night’s Watch but to all of Westeros.
ive got a sneaking suspicion that Lord Mormont and Uncle Benjen both know his true identity, or at least secretly had strong suspicion.
Lord Commander Mormont was a real one. Real recognize real. I hated it when Jeor was killed.
Think about it from Mormont's perspective: You got a bastard from the greatest ally of the Watch coming to take the oath. Not only is the bastard's father extremely loved and feared by the people he needs to be, but the bastard was raised among his half-sibling - The heir to fucking Winterfell. Oh! And the bastard has a direwolf with him - The sigil of his father's house. He even has control over the beast.
Of course you take him under your wing - Of course you want him of all candidates to replace you.
It also means that if Jon ever becomes Lord Commander then he might have a better chance of getting aid from Winterfell, however little they could afford to send at least.
@@tiringsarcasm Precisely! Jon was the perfect candidate - If a bit headstrong, but he is young and will cool with time.
Yeah having the ear of the Starks is crucial for the Watch's survival. It's probably why Benjen Stark is First Ranger instead of Qhorin Halfhand. Had the War of Five Kings not happened, Jon would have basically had near full access to Winterfell's resources. The Watch and the Starks would almost be one House.
I just realized that Jon made good on Jeor's words later in King's Landing. Whereas the hand that Alliser brought had likely rotted/stopped moving by the time it made it all the way to the castle, Jon simply brought the entire wight back and its hand was chopped off there.
Jon is the best Lord Commander they couldve asked for in this dire moment of winter. dude never stop making ways to help anyone.
A thousand leagues which in the later seasons meant two or three days. Thanks D&B.
Time Skips were necessary, with one hour an episode and ten episodes a season nobody had time to watch the heroes spend weeks on the road.
stop clowning bro, D&B completely tarnished the shows story-building for the sake of more money.@@FerretJohn
@@FerretJohnthen why the fuck did we spend entire seasons establishing that. Bran took fucking forever going to the north of the wall. 4-5 seasons if I remember correctly.
Hodor could’ve put Bran in a box, run for a day ‘til he reached the wall, jumped over it in a single bound then farted to slow his fall. Then it’s a nice brisk, 15 minute jog until he reaches three-eyed raven.
See how it makes no sense?
@@ChadKakashi😂
I forgot all about that line from Mormont sending the zombie hand to Joffery. talk about a dead plotline. Literally never brought up again, and Thorn is back at castle black by the start of the next season. Guess it was just an optional side-quest for him.
Thorne had already opened up The Wall as a location, so he was able to just fast travel back.
In the books it mentions that by the time they made it to King's Landing, the hand had rotted away to goop, so there was nothing to show.
thorn is not back in the "next" season. because you do not see him in season 2 and 3. in season 4 when jon returns to the wall he is back. and joffrey is just like "oh okay" and thats it.
Tyrion is the Hand by then and he disliked Thorn so he made him wait for a month by which time the hand had rotted.
I mean, did you really need a scene to know that Jeofrey (or Cersei for that matter) would tell Thorne to fuck off?
That's even considering they would give him and audience.
Even though Jorah's casting is super inaccurate compared to book descriptions I always thought he and Jeor made a fairly believable father and son on the show.
Yes! Great point!
Reason he took Jon under his wing is because he was a high born child which means he is Educated, cultured, Combat efficient and intelligent (insanely more intelligent than an uneducated peasant. Also his father was an insanely honorable man, so like father like son.
well also cus he saved his life
His father or stepfather? :D There is a difference.
@@tjsherpahe was his steward before saving his life. The Lord Commander’s steward is also his squire.
@@spacegoat_3d801 i see. Thanks for correcting me
He's also a bastard, someone whose station is inherently "lower" than everyone else "trueborn" -- yet despite that, Jon still acts nobly, honorably, and takes his vows seriously. To Mormont, Jon likely would never WANT to lead, which is why he'd be such a great leader. Even when the vote happens, Jon doesn't apply, Sam does it for him.
Use it with pride boy
Cosmo the King.
GoT used to be so good until D&B rushed the end.
I miss this.
Mormonts are awesome.
Imagine jeor knows that JON was a Targeryan ❤🔥🔥
tywin Lannister, the richest man in westeros is still too poor to buy a valyrian steel sword from any of the other noble houses but Jon gets that shit for free
Truth. Let’s not forget that good ol tywin resorted to melting down Ice, a stark family sword, into two smaller valyrian steel swords just to try and ensure his family’s legacy. He really didn’t sh$t gold after all
@@Super-Saiyan9665when did he melt down a stark family sword?
@@owen6382 Tywin had the greatsword ice melted down into two swords. Widow’s wail named by Joffrey, and the other would be named oath keeper
How come the hand they sent wasn't animated like the wight they eventually bring to king's landing? Weird
Because they stopped using materiel from the books and so logic ceased to exist
@@snifferofasbestos1257 in the books the hand *does* move though
In the books they also sent Alliser to Kings Landing just like here. But Tyrion kept him waiting for too long and the hand rotted, so it was not convincing.
@@Symeon22 makes sense when you take things out of the cold for too long!
In Hindu epic Mahabharata, the moment a lowborn son 'Karna' showed the valour, 'Duryodhan' made him a king to get all the aid he could.
Jeor knew, Jon had all the benefits of been brought up by Ned except the extra pampering which spoiled the good fruit.
Am I cursed by this? My last name is Longclaws...im an aboriginal warrior and ive been trapped by your swords
Wait, does Thorne actually lay that hand at Joffreys feet? That's not a scene is it??
I can’t recall if they ever say just what Jorah did to end up in easos
It’s been a while, but something to do with selling slaves to make money for his wife and her expensive tastes
Jorah explains at some point, he had a wife with taste beyond his means, so to make more money he sold some men into slavery. Got caught, and banished from Westeros.
The men he sold into slavery were poachers he caught on Bear island.
I wonder if The Lord Commander knew of John's actual heritage, that he was the son of Lyanna Stark and Raegar Targaryen. And that's why he always did what was best for John. Hmmmm
If they renouce all titles, why does Jon call him "my Lord"?
Because he is still the "Lord" Commander of the Night's Watch.
He's Lord Commander.
He renounced his titles as head of house Mormont and Lord of Bear Island, joined the Night’s Watch, and eventually became Lord Commander.
Jon addresses him as My Lord, as in My Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch.
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Quality!