Mormont's logic here is the logic that ought to be prevailing in the later seasons. "When dead men and worse come hunting for us, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?"
+ISchulz Well, it does matter a bit! I mean a king who sends every single soldier north is always going to be better than someone who believes the stories of White walkers are just stories by drunken Nights watch members.
+Jakeasaur You need to send as much soldiers up north as possible to have a chance at defeating them. if you wait until the White Walkers come south to fight them you might have no chance. The way the first men and the COTF defeated them during the long night was confronting them head on.
Rouskey Carpel I don't that, I agree waiting it out would end up badly. Trouble is its gonna end badly no matter what. Not that it can or ever will happen, but the best way to deal with the WW would have been to recognise their threat early and send Ser 20 of House Goodmen with Valyrian Swords or something before that many wights could be risen.
truly insane how much time was spent building up the walkers for it to fizzle out so pathetically. how the show's writers expect to be allowed to work on interesting, well funded projects after how they treated the end... it boggles the mind
@@MenachemSchmuel all the actors seem to think the ending was just fine and that we are just upset that we didn’t get the ending we wanted . But that is just BS , Season 8 will go down in TV history as the biggest drop in quality a TV show ever had . Even the actors who have defended it so vehemently will see in time what the audience saw .
looks more like dannys gonna take the iron throne and since jon seems like hes related to the blood of the dragons danny might even help jon with the walkers
Jeor: "Honour made you leave. Honour brought you back." Jon: "My friends brought me back." Jeor: "I didn't say it was your honour." Such great writing!
Especially when you think about how Jon dies in the books. Jon sent away all of his friends to other locations. When he started breaking his vows no one came to save them because they were no longer there
Gods this show was strong. Caved in our expectations, probably shattered every piece of hope we had. They never mention how the show shat itself at the end, they don't put that part in the songs...
Jeor Mormont effected Jon in so many ways. Jon saw him as a role model, he idolized him. Even now, Lord Mormont is dead, but his ideas about the greater danger, seeing the big picture, the idea of duty are alive and well with Jon Snow, who will carry the Longclaw to battle as he carries the ideas of Lord Commander Mormont.
It does, actually. The right man, or woman, will send the men and materials needed to hold the wall and be able to hold everything together during the chaos that would ensue from a zombie apocalypse.
Jack Murphy well i doubt any man can do that now the kingdom is ruined, bankrupt and starving im seriously starting to wonder how the hell are the WW going to be stopped once the wall falls
"Do you think your brother's war is more important than our war?" Apparently it was. Robb's war lasted longer and killed more important characters than the War for The Dawn.
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Yup and HBO even told them they would allocate enough funding for them to do 10 seasons. Dumb and Dumber didn't care, they wanted that Star Wars money. HBO should of made them do 10 seasons, whether they liked it or not. HBO is the boss, not them.
@@BigSnakey2 HBO offered them 10 and more season with grrm, the writers had a contract for 8 seasons, the writers refused to change it you cant breach a contract, the legal battle afterwards would have killed the show entirely
But, Robb's War didn't last longer? Even with D&D fucking up people who say that aren't paying attention given this war starts here and ends season eight. Robb's War starts here and ends at the red wedding. The wildling war is entirely because of the white walkers
@@ryankasch5561 The fuck are you talking about. War for the Dawn doesn't start until Others breach the Wall and invade the rest of the world. Everything Night's Watch related from seasons 1 onwards is merely a prelude
"Do you think your brother's war is more important than ours?" - this is the conversation which shaped Jon Snow's outlook, I think, and will continue to do so while he is Lord at Winterfell.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 The whole amnesia of the nights watch is dumb tbh George RR Martin simply wanted a show of movie made on his work he wrote it too be adopted and now you're witnessing his abandonment of it lol
@@Jimmyisabot hahaha idk how I saw this in my notifications, but this reply is awesome - you are absolutely right, and your point made me feel nostalgic. I miss that excitement that was building before the anticlimactic end. Jon Snow's character arc deserved better.
George's message has constantly been anti war, so to end the series and for the big bad to be defeated in a triumphant battle, like in LOTR (which is a trope he dislikes) wouldn't really fit, I also dont think the White Walker's winning would also fit, perhaps there would be an agreement between the two sides, like the first Long Night
@@n3n3b3n3 He will die before they are finish. He's in his 70s. Very overweight and has the pace of a snail because he already has all the money he wants. His priority is enjoying what's left of his life. Can't say I blame him.
You only notice it when he's standing up by the fire but Mormont is a beast, he's built like the Mountain, dude was probably a hell of a fighter in his younger days
The nights watch scenes used to send chills down my spine. Especially when the white walker theme plays whilst Mormont talks about empty villages and blue eyed corpses. You used to get a feeling of dread knowing that an army of magical, mysterious and terrifying beings are somewhere north of the wall, and that they're on the march south but you don't know when and where they will strike. Then season 8 happened and destroyed any sense of terror or wonder you had.
Dude all these storylines had so much potential. Remember that ending of season 1. This scene, the Robb Stark being named king in the north, the dragons singing. I was having a full nerdgasm. Never thought I'd see a show that literally had every single element I loved. Political intrigue, toxic family dynamics, awe inspiring fantasy, horror and mystery with the Walkers, coming of age for Jon, Robb, Dany, Bran, Arya, Sansa. Noble houses coming together to fulfill sworn oaths after Ned was beheaded. Just too epic.
I once watched a fanedit of just the nights watch scenes, and by God was it more captivating then anything else i watched at the time. it could have been its own series.
It's the same thing with jaws. Jaws 1 hid the shark for most of the movie, and that made it much more terrifying than actually seeing it. Its the same with the white Walkers. Plus, untalented sons and daughters plague the media in all mid to top tier positions, so as soon a movie or show moves away from the original writing, (GOT, Starwars et cetera)quality drops dramatically.
Oh get over it for crying out loud! It wouldn’t matter a jot how it played out; even with the perfect finish the wonder will fade from the early days, just like any book, series, movie, whatever. You’re like a bunch of entitled, spoiled girls.
What a scene. The nights watch adventure north of the wall is one of my favorite arcs. Literally all of it leads to the final battle at the end of season 4. Craster's keep, White walker interactions, Jon meeting the wildlings, Sam and Gilly. Back when this show was the undisputed best.
This is a stepping stone for Jon snow becoming everything he is now. He starts seeing the big picture and not the pettiness of the game of thrones. He knows who the real enemy is and everything he has done is for preparing for the real enemy. Bringing the wildlings south, fighting ramsay Bolton for the north, swearing fealty to daenareys. All thanks to the Old Bear Mormont
pettiness? the real enemy wil destroy them all if this war cripples westeros and its ability to defend itself. under Robert Westeros was an entirely different beast. also by one theory, if Jon had just ignored the "real war" then the real war never arrives as they have no way past the Wall without zombie wight dragons. Daenerys had already promised to help. bringing the wildligns south was like a barest of bandaids and it only made everything worse. by bringing an army of rapists south, Jon alienated his own men and the rest of the entire North which got Rickon killed and thouands more northerners.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 lol they already had a plan of passing the wall by the time jon went north of the wall the white walkers are already marching south which means they already had a plan to cross the wall the dragon made it easy that's all
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Night King had undead giants and such,we know what they can do to a gate.They could even pile up at the wall,world war Z style.
I was so happy to see Carl Tanner being killed. Dissapointed at Jon's fight, Carl could very well kill him, but I'm glad Lord Commander Mormont was avenged. And now his watch is ended.
I always liked Jeor Mormont. He was a badass character who prevailed in leadership. Also he looks like Santa Claus. Too bad his skull was used as a cup by A FOOKIN LEGEND.
@@ministr2302 That actor has been playing beefy grandpas for like 30 years, I swear. You usually don't see old guys who look like that outside of Mexicans.
Amazing speech. These are the only guys carrying the real war on their shoulders. You got lords behind the wall sending men to butcher each other over chairs and pieces of dirt. But the Night's Watch, treated as the lowest of the low in Westerosian society, work as comrades with commanders they've chosen and trust. And they fight for the only cause truly worth fighting for, the survival of mankind itself.
I love how this show makes you think the story is going to go one way and then doesn't. Like when Mormont says at 2:09, "And we will find Benjen Stark, alive or dead." In every other show, when a character says something like that, it happens (especially with that dramatic music). This show, you can never tell. Sometimes they foretell correctly, sometimes they don't. That's life.
Same goes with yara..she went to winterfell to get theon back with her men..even that scene while she was going had epic bgm and thought she will bring him back.. but they couldn't stand before Ramsey's 20 good men..
The thing to admire the most in this conversation is that mormont is giving jon a chance to be reborn, it does not matter who he was or who his family was. the point is he is now a brother of the nights watch with a holy mission that dwarfs any other in the realm, and that should be jons main focus.
This is my favourite scene in Game Of Thrones. I loved the Night's Watch so much, Jeor and Aemon were so damn awesome and Jeor's speech was the coolest thing I've heard.
"Oh and you're gonna bring him back to life, are ya?" Imagine undead Jon succeeding the Night's King and bringing Ned's corpse back to life, now that'd be some foreshadowing.
It's foreshadowing Jon's 2nd death, season 6 and 7 Arya and Sansa have two similar conversations with this and Jon and Sansa in season 6,Jon will be beheaded it is known
That line “If we beheaded every man who ran from the Night, only ghosts would guard the wall.” It’s an interesting quote when you remember that the 3rd scene in the entire series was Ned executing a nights watch deserter. Really helps hammer in the idea that the nights watch isn’t the honorable institution that Jon thinks it is. Of course Jon already knew that at this point but it shows how deep the rot goes if the commander is treating desertion like skipping school.
He said "who ran away FOR the night". In other words, having cold feet but coming right back is fine to him. The guy at the beginning ran away with zero intention of coming back and was gone so long that they knew about it and Ned caught him.
Who would win: an army of the dead, raised by a mysterious force beyond the wall, in the lands of eternal ice and always winter... Or... ...one sneaky screaming teleporting girl? We all know the answer to that by now and it was beyond bloody disappointing!
When dead men and worse come hunting for us in the night do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne? No, only matters where is Arya at that moment
*"Honour made you leave, Honour brought you back."* *"My friends brought me back."* *"I never said it was your Honour."* The writing back then was just... wow...
The night watcher's war really does make Danerys, the Lannisters, Stark's, Tyrells and Beratheons look like they're LITERALLY playing a game of thrones. I was more invested here with Jon than anywhere else in this show
Xross SweatPantz true at that point he had no obligation to stay with the watch besides out of honour for his fallen brothers but that sense of honour withered the day his brothers stabbed him, their own lord commander, in the heart and killed him. He owes them nothing now, he is free now , his watch has ended.
From the other kingdoms standpoint, you have a better chance at convincing them dany has 3 dragons compared to the dead are coming. Even ned didnt believe the deserter in episode 1 and their slogan is, "Winter is coming."
This scene gave me goosebumps, Jeor was such a great inspirational leader hell I would love to fight beside him and he's not even real says alot about the acting.
These early seasons really do make you feel sad at how it all ended up,the writing,story and pacing were different class and easliy one of the best shows I have ever seen,sadly the final seasons had none of this and ultimately made the whole thing pointless
There's audiobooks read by Roy Dotrice if that helps. Season 1 is better than book 1, but after that the books start to have waaay more scenes I missed from the show. There's also hundreds of giants in the book.
Thanks for flushing this terrific acting and writing down the toilet D&D, you truly subverted my expectations. My expectations that this show was going to be good that is.
The Nights Watch segments of the show were always my favorite. Breaks my heart knowing that basically none of them survived the show by the end, since I don't think even the background characters survived after the Battle of Winterfell
This show was so f'ing good in the early season. The mysteries were deep, the characters were strong, the setting was gorgeous. I think I'll just rewatch until about season four and let my memory of what came later evaporate.
majungasaurusaaaa What's so moronic about that scenario? Everyone knows the Night's Watch vows and the price you pay for deserting. If Jon actually deserted one of his brothers would take his head. Be it Robb or a brother of the Night's Watch. Jon agreed to that fact the moment he swore his vows. The Starks are one of the few houses to actually keep the vows they swear and bear the consequences for breaking them. That's not moronic, that's the only rightful way. I call it moronic when people can swear and break vows like some 5-year old's petty promises without having to fear any consequences whatsoever.
Started out with such potential, a perfect mirror to the parlor games and court intrigue, the real war, and then they went and dashed it all in season 8.
And here we witness one of the greatest speeches in Game of Thrones... …a short and concise speech about the repetitive nature of having to be fed the same meal for breakfast every morning. Truly inspirational and one that can resonate with the common man. So much respect for the Old Bear and his ability to relate to you and me.
This scene is one of those which you come to think off once in a while and you just have to see it again. Glad i found this on youtube... Gives me goosebumps everytime! :)
+SecretAgentMan00 If all the men are suckers and idiots the life of an officer won't be that good either. Thank goodness some of us are simply content with a life of mediocrity and following orders.. lol.
Phantom X Mormont basically gave Jon the option of "You down to roll out and do some real shit or just stay here doing the same shit of bitching about things thousands of miles away that are out of your control?" Thrill seekers (usually the young) looking for adventures find it one way or another if they want it bad enough.
Wow, back when this show used to be absolutely amazing and had brilliant dialogue. Btw, this scene is taken very closely from the books. The show died once they ran out of book material
Jeor was one of my favorite characters, but it was a mistake leading a large portion of the watch north of the wall. A group that size is not going to find anything out that smaller scouting groups cant.
Mormont tells Jon in the books that he doesn't expect small groups of scouts to find Benjen. He thinks a group that large would draw enough attention that Benjen and the missing rangers (if alive) would be able to find them instead.
Um this is way back. Kit has improved a lot. He is a much stronger actor as seen in the latest 3 seasons. Lets not forget he had no significant acting experience before GOT. Also the writers explicitly asked him to act dumb and boyish then.
+BK There are way more people who praises Kit' performance like me. I did not like it as much initially but from season 5 he is very good. Emilia, well her role is written badly.
BK He's told by the director to have no range and act like a passive stoner. It's obvious when seeing him outside the role of Jon Snow that he has more range.
BK In the books, Jon is always brooding (And he's like 14!) so that was probably their intention; to have Kit be an emotionless slug to reinforce the brooding serious emo-ness. They probably, along with Kit, got better at their jobs in future seasons. Not by much, though. lmao.
It’s kinda sad in hindsight knowing all they needed to do was send Karl Tanner up north with a Valerian dagger and he could have pricked the Night King thus ending the long night before the sun even went down
I need to get this off my chest. Remember when the White walkers were an actual threat? If I would have written Season 8, I would have had them invade King's Landing for the climax and tear the city to pieces, and the Night King would raise the ashes from the Sept of Baelor and reform the corpses with dark magic (so, we would have wights of the Targaryen rulers of old, including the HOTD characters zombified) and Robert and Joffrey, Margaery, and all who died in the explosion Cersei would be cornered in the throne room, and the wights would outnumber the castle guards (and assimilate them) and she would be trapped against the Iron Throne, and then she would watch in bleak horror as zombified forms of Tywin, Joffrey, Margaery, Tommen, Myrcella, her old friend who she pushed down the well as a kid, Septa Unella, High Sparrow, Ellaria and Tyene, and Ned Stark and his family emerge like a swarm from hell from the double doors. Then they tear her to pieces (would have been a more poetic death for Cersei) and then the only way to defeat the Night King and his horde would be for the MCs to corral them inside the city and evacuate as many survivors as possible, and then Daenerys can raise hell on half the city on her Dragon, and not compromise her morals for shock value, and Jon could ride Rhaegal and torch the other half of the city.
Really? How would the Night King invade Kingslanding without first crossing the North? Does he want to kill every human and animals and raise them as his soldiers or does he want to end the evil lords or what? You should first determine his intentions before his actions, because you yourself wouldn't take an action, especially a drastic one, without having the intention for it, and your intention should also be backed by logic ideas, so you can have the results you hope for.
@@thecosmiccube8178 I think the Night King would be a dark threat with a desire to reduce the world of men to ruin. His purpose would be to create a land without life because he finds the living abhorrent in all their ways - their noise, their pollution, their destruction of the natural world (maybe in this case he would be an ancient dark godlike creature that existed before the Weirwoods themselves, and when life came to be it disturbed him. Maybe he battled the Children of the Forest in eons long past and was sealed away, but in this case returned due to some reason [yet to be established, but I think the red comet Danaerys saw during the funeral pyre could have had something to do with it]. ) He would be awakened to their modern world, and seeing how much more life exists now compared to his time, his goal would be to eliminate all life, wherever he finds it, and make puppets of the dead to do his bidding (until all the living cease to be, then he would destroy the Whitewalkers, as well) Being immortal, he would have enough hubris to believe he could actually exterminate all life. He would intend start with the Wildlings and the remaining Children of the Forest, and grow his army from their corpses, and create an army that needs no food and feels no fatigue, and they would grow with each man, woman, child, animal and Dragon (Viserion) slain. I don't think the Night King needs to be overcomplicated - he's just a force of reckoning, essentially.
@@dinahranieri4443 Well, that seems... better. We have this religion of Melisandre, where she worship the lord of the light, and it's similar to Zoroastrianism. In the religion, the lord of light, wisdom, goodness and all that fights eternally the lord of darkness and evil. You can portray the Night King as that lord of evil, who represents cold, dark and horror, unlike the lord of light who represent warm and brightness and knowledge (Which can be perceived by the witches who knew secrets, like Melisandre in S8 E3, and that preist with Tyrion and Varys, I don't remember her name] And that actually fits well with the story, for Melisandre and other worshippers of the lord of light had the prophecy of the prince and princess that was born from fire and remake the world, and Dany is the princess who sought all of her life to make the world better, but the lord of darkness, the Night King, decided to act and march against to stop the prophecy, which why when the battle happened, the lord of light showed his power through set aflame the blades of Dothraki, and the trench, indicating that the war is between him and the lord of darkness, not only between the living and the dead, and that would also give meaning and purpose of why the lord of light revived Jon snow, who would unite the living. But the Night King wishing for dead world only is bit excessive in my opinion, but maybe he would end this prophecy so the world continues to be as deteriorated as it always was, I would appreciate such an ending.
@@thecosmiccube8178 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense! :) And definitely fits with the idea of prophecy and struggles of power Hey, as long as we can get the poetic Cersei throne room scene I won't complain xD I just love the idea of her past sins coming for her literally
Jeor shows Jon some tough love here. As a northman himself, he understands why Jon wanted to run away but tries to remind him his sworn duty and then shows him how much he values him by taking him along in this dangerous quest.
When you realise Mormont was more of a father figure to Jon than Eddard ever could be. 'Jon Snow now, as Commander of the watch and later king in the north, mirrors Jeor Mormonts flexible and realistic sense of honor more than he does Stark. He's not rigid in his beliefs, like his uncle, because Mormont taught him that when you need to do the right thing, when you need to accomplish something for the greater good, you need to be proactive and face any and all challenges directly. He taught him to play the game, something Ned never did...
no he didnt. Jeor was a braindead idiot who taught Jon only one thing: how ot be a braindead idiot who gets everyone killed. he left a defensive position and got himself caught in the open, only to apparently find out what he already should have known/did know. a smart commander doesnt leave his walls unless he absolutely has to. and had they not left their defensive position, that would have given the Northern houses more time to reinforce the Wall and provide more.
A powerfull scene that says everything... Every time I see this scene and remember the ending of GOT i'm glad that he returned to Castle Black and beyond the wall... He is no more a bastard son, he's no more some legit heir of the Iron Throne (who doesn't exist anymore, wich means men will be still playing some game for little boys but with someone who sees through lies)... But those things doesn't matter. Jon is the true protector and the hero of Westeros. The one who gains his freedom at the true North (with no more lies, conspirancies, treasons, enemies or secrets)
I loved GOT, but as a US Marine who's been in cold weather, this whole not wearing head gear was so absurd. All I saw in these scenes were guys who should have been too cold to function.
I get sad watching the early seasons of Game of Thrones. It was such an amazing show and beautifully crafted storytelling. I wish not to speak of the later seasons.
GOT should be a great example of class. HBO spent millions upon millions with rooms full of writers. Screen players. Top level producer's. But shitty directors. And none of that even compares to the writings of one man. An entirely different class.
@Anjelica Snorcket The ego of D&D is truly astonishing. I guess as they say pride comes before the fall. I wished GRRM said more in stopping them and instead asked for teams of writers to be brought in. With the budget of the show they could have probably got some some of the best instead of what happened with just D&D. I honestly didn't think I could dislike D&D anymore but what you said puts a nail in that coffin.
"When dead men and worse come hunting for us in the night, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?" "No." "Good. Because I want you and your wolf to go to your half brother and convince him to make peace and bring all the armies of the south up here, so that we can ride out and meet Mance Rayder in strength, not send 300 men to die in the cold wilderness."
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Do you think your brothers war is more important then our war. Yes, apparently all it takes is a flying Arya.
Even in the books he wants to leave the Night's Watch to save Arya(it's actually Jeyne Poole) and gets killed for it
@@BulletGM wait what, was she the one that got raped by ramsay?
@@BulletGM He didn't want to leave Nigth's Watch ... he wanted to use it to save what he thought was Arya.
Pickle Chin Ah Boy read the damn books you illiterate
@@picklechinahboy4437 Yes,Sansa never married Ramsay..
Mormont's logic here is the logic that ought to be prevailing in the later seasons.
"When dead men and worse come hunting for us, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?"
+ISchulz Agreed. Mormont's leadership qualities are top-notch.
+ISchulz Well, it does matter a bit! I mean a king who sends every single soldier north is always going to be better than someone who believes the stories of White walkers are just stories by drunken Nights watch members.
+ComplainingIsEasy That's not necessarily true- more soldiers north may mean more wights.
+Jakeasaur You need to send as much soldiers up north as possible to have a chance at defeating them. if you wait until the White Walkers come south to fight them you might have no chance. The way the first men and the COTF defeated them during the long night was confronting them head on.
Rouskey Carpel I don't that, I agree waiting it out would end up badly. Trouble is its gonna end badly no matter what.
Not that it can or ever will happen, but the best way to deal with the WW would have been to recognise their threat early and send Ser 20 of House Goodmen with Valyrian Swords or something before that many wights could be risen.
When you see clips like this , it’s heartbreaking to think how it all wrapped up - especially the white walker threat !
One of the worst betrayals in cinema history
@@FormerGovernmentHuman Well said !
True.. I prefer to focus on the good parts of this show, ie these seasons
truly insane how much time was spent building up the walkers for it to fizzle out so pathetically. how the show's writers expect to be allowed to work on interesting, well funded projects after how they treated the end... it boggles the mind
@@MenachemSchmuel all the actors seem to think the ending was just fine and that we are just upset that we didn’t get the ending we wanted . But that is just BS , Season 8 will go down in TV history as the biggest drop in quality a TV show ever had . Even the actors who have defended it so vehemently will see in time what the audience saw .
However badass Mormont is, it does matter who sits the iron throne. Robb or Stannis would be more likely to help the watch than Joffrey.
Well they're all dead now lol.
Now I ship Jon x Iron throne
I read this comment thinking it was 5 years old...
looks more like dannys gonna take the iron throne and since jon seems like hes related to the blood of the dragons danny might even help jon with the walkers
+Lorfin949 she wont have a choice when the white walkers finally attack
Jeor: "Honour made you leave. Honour brought you back."
Jon: "My friends brought me back."
Jeor: "I didn't say it was your honour."
Such great writing!
Sudharshan Hariharan Unlike Season 8 episode 3
the good old days my friend
it means his friends honour right??
Especially when you think about how Jon dies in the books. Jon sent away all of his friends to other locations. When he started breaking his vows no one came to save them because they were no longer there
Copied and pasted from the books
Gods this show was strong. Caved in our expectations, probably shattered every piece of hope we had. They never mention how the show shat itself at the end, they don't put that part in the songs...
lmao
Amazing
I’m fucking dying
Underrated comment x1000
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I miss Jeor... I feel like the Mormonts are the only other family besides the Starks in Westeros that everyone likes
We still have 1 Mormont.
I don't like the starks
You're not from Westeros, XWOLFXSkiller..
XWOLFXSkiller Your weird
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Jeor Mormont effected Jon in so many ways. Jon saw him as a role model, he idolized him. Even now, Lord Mormont is dead, but his ideas about the greater danger, seeing the big picture, the idea of duty are alive and well with Jon Snow, who will carry the Longclaw to battle as he carries the ideas of Lord Commander Mormont.
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He was a great father figure for jon same with aemon
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You replied to a 4 year old comment to correct its grammar? You are the coolest person ever.
@@firstnamelastname8206 damn son, he must be grateful af for your correction
@@3xpl017s as fuck
"when dead men or worst come hunting for us in the night do you think it matters who sits on the iron throne"
Wiser words never said.
It does, actually. The right man, or woman, will send the men and materials needed to hold the wall and be able to hold everything together during the chaos that would ensue from a zombie apocalypse.
Jack Murphy well i doubt any man can do that now the kingdom is ruined, bankrupt and starving im seriously starting to wonder how the hell are the WW going to be stopped once the wall falls
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+Jack Murphy Not if the zombies had a Nights King
"Do you think your brother's war is more important than our war?" Apparently it was. Robb's war lasted longer and killed more important characters than the War for The Dawn.
Ah how the writers ruined this show
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Yup and HBO even told them they would allocate enough funding for them to do 10 seasons. Dumb and Dumber didn't care, they wanted that Star Wars money. HBO should of made them do 10 seasons, whether they liked it or not. HBO is the boss, not them.
@@BigSnakey2 HBO offered them 10 and more season with grrm, the writers had a contract for 8 seasons, the writers refused to change it
you cant breach a contract, the legal battle afterwards would have killed the show entirely
But, Robb's War didn't last longer? Even with D&D fucking up people who say that aren't paying attention given this war starts here and ends season eight. Robb's War starts here and ends at the red wedding. The wildling war is entirely because of the white walkers
@@ryankasch5561 The fuck are you talking about. War for the Dawn doesn't start until Others breach the Wall and invade the rest of the world. Everything Night's Watch related from seasons 1 onwards is merely a prelude
"Do you think your brother's war is more important than ours?"
- this is the conversation which shaped Jon Snow's outlook, I think, and will continue to do so while he is Lord at Winterfell.
unfortunate. if Jon had looked to more immediate wars, then maybe the NK wouldnt get a dragon and is stuck behind the Wall for eternity
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 The whole amnesia of the nights watch is dumb tbh George RR Martin simply wanted a show of movie made on his work he wrote it too be adopted and now you're witnessing his abandonment of it lol
@@jabronisauce6833 he didn't write seasons 5 through 8. That was Dan and Dave.
your comment is awesome, it shows the optimism for the end of a show that never came to fruition, quite a nice moment to bask in
@@Jimmyisabot hahaha idk how I saw this in my notifications, but this reply is awesome - you are absolutely right, and your point made me feel nostalgic. I miss that excitement that was building before the anticlimactic end. Jon Snow's character arc deserved better.
I like how the message of how the Game of Thrones doesn't matter because death's coming to consume them all is pointless now.
FrozenGrip dont hold your breath on geogre having the overall outcome of the battle against the dead the others to be much different in the books.
@@n3n3b3n3 As long as it wasn't done piss poorly as the show did it then I dc.
George's message has constantly been anti war, so to end the series and for the big bad to be defeated in a triumphant battle, like in LOTR (which is a trope he dislikes) wouldn't really fit, I also dont think the White Walker's winning would also fit, perhaps there would be an agreement between the two sides, like the first Long Night
@@n3n3b3n3 He will die before they are finish. He's in his 70s. Very overweight and has the pace of a snail because he already has all the money he wants. His priority is enjoying what's left of his life. Can't say I blame him.
Valar morghulis more like valar pointless
You only notice it when he's standing up by the fire but Mormont is a beast, he's built like the Mountain, dude was probably a hell of a fighter in his younger days
He was the big old bear
Jon is also just a small dude
Ya it also might be comparison to Harrington
Arguably the best casting in the entire series. Reading the books I still picture show Jeor.
that's Jeor fookin Mormont
The nights watch scenes used to send chills down my spine. Especially when the white walker theme plays whilst Mormont talks about empty villages and blue eyed corpses.
You used to get a feeling of dread knowing that an army of magical, mysterious and terrifying beings are somewhere north of the wall, and that they're on the march south but you don't know when and where they will strike.
Then season 8 happened and destroyed any sense of terror or wonder you had.
Dude all these storylines had so much potential. Remember that ending of season 1. This scene, the Robb Stark being named king in the north, the dragons singing. I was having a full nerdgasm. Never thought I'd see a show that literally had every single element I loved. Political intrigue, toxic family dynamics, awe inspiring fantasy, horror and mystery with the Walkers, coming of age for Jon, Robb, Dany, Bran, Arya, Sansa. Noble houses coming together to fulfill sworn oaths after Ned was beheaded. Just too epic.
I once watched a fanedit of just the nights watch scenes, and by God was it more captivating then anything else i watched at the time. it could have been its own series.
They made them really one dimensional in s8, they should have stayed longer with something to say at least
It's the same thing with jaws. Jaws 1 hid the shark for most of the movie, and that made it much more terrifying than actually seeing it. Its the same with the white Walkers. Plus, untalented sons and daughters plague the media in all mid to top tier positions, so as soon a movie or show moves away from the original writing, (GOT, Starwars et cetera)quality drops dramatically.
Oh get over it for crying out loud! It wouldn’t matter a jot how it played out; even with the perfect finish the wonder will fade from the early days, just like any book, series, movie, whatever. You’re like a bunch of entitled, spoiled girls.
Jon's come a long way since then.
Yes. Sandor too.
From a boy who knows nothing to a man knows something.
Who's jon
@@finnheisenheim8274 to a boy who only knows how to serve his queen
Imagine gow better jon's charcters would've been if he stayed in the north with sansa and behaved more like a king.
One of my favorite scenes in the book and the show
+irish91ify I don't. This scene may look and sound heroic, but, as we all quickly come to learn, it goes down hill fast.
+fred fry its game of thrones everything goes downhill fast for the good guys
wayne king u mean for everyone
Let me sum up what Jeor said. "You know nothing, Jon Snow"
What a scene. The nights watch adventure north of the wall is one of my favorite arcs. Literally all of it leads to the final battle at the end of season 4. Craster's keep, White walker interactions, Jon meeting the wildlings, Sam and Gilly.
Back when this show was the undisputed best.
This is a stepping stone for Jon snow becoming everything he is now. He starts seeing the big picture and not the pettiness of the game of thrones. He knows who the real enemy is and everything he has done is for preparing for the real enemy. Bringing the wildlings south, fighting ramsay Bolton for the north, swearing fealty to daenareys. All thanks to the Old Bear Mormont
pettiness? the real enemy wil destroy them all if this war cripples westeros and its ability to defend itself. under Robert Westeros was an entirely different beast.
also by one theory, if Jon had just ignored the "real war" then the real war never arrives as they have no way past the Wall without zombie wight dragons.
Daenerys had already promised to help.
bringing the wildligns south was like a barest of bandaids and it only made everything worse. by bringing an army of rapists south, Jon alienated his own men and the rest of the entire North which got Rickon killed and thouands more northerners.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 lol they already had a plan of passing the wall by the time jon went north of the wall the white walkers are already marching south which means they already had a plan to cross the wall the dragon made it easy that's all
@@crazychandu5808 such as?
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Night King had undead giants and such,we know what they can do to a gate.They could even pile up at the wall,world war Z style.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 they were just going to freeze the bay and walk over it
It's been years but this scene gives me chills every time....when the writing was phenomenal
Because it is closer to the book
I was so happy to see Carl Tanner being killed. Dissapointed at Jon's fight, Carl could very well kill him, but I'm glad Lord Commander Mormont was avenged. And now his watch is ended.
"Do you think you Brother's war Is more important than ours?"
Apparently in the end even my Clash of Clans war was more important than yours my lord
Those were the days....when GOT was good before it shat the the bed!!!
you are a racist, bigot , women, minority rights you violate.
For me, season six was the last great season… They gave us battle of the bastards for crying out loud
I always liked Jeor Mormont. He was a badass character who prevailed in leadership. Also he looks like Santa Claus.
Too bad his skull was used as a cup by A FOOKIN LEGEND.
He actually starred as Santa in Chronicles of Narnia.
The Santa Claus part made me laugh
@@ministr2302 That actor has been playing beefy grandpas for like 30 years, I swear. You usually don't see old guys who look like that outside of Mexicans.
This was so fucking hype when I first saw it.
"beer in the morning" mormont is akind of guy I'd go drinking with😅
The biggest and most absolute crime of D and D was making this the secondary threat over Cersei/Dany. This was ALWAYS the endgame of GoT.
I wish we could have seen more of him. Mormont.
"Do you think your brother's war is more important than ours? "
I love that line from mormont
Mormonts = nice speech
Jeor Mormont was a great mentor and a genuine person.
It kills me looking back at how good this show was, and seeing what it became.
Amazing speech. These are the only guys carrying the real war on their shoulders. You got lords behind the wall sending men to butcher each other over chairs and pieces of dirt. But the Night's Watch, treated as the lowest of the low in Westerosian society, work as comrades with commanders they've chosen and trust. And they fight for the only cause truly worth fighting for, the survival of mankind itself.
I love how this show makes you think the story is going to go one way and then doesn't. Like when Mormont says at 2:09, "And we will find Benjen Stark, alive or dead."
In every other show, when a character says something like that, it happens (especially with that dramatic music). This show, you can never tell. Sometimes they foretell correctly, sometimes they don't. That's life.
Same goes with yara..she went to winterfell to get theon back with her men..even that scene while she was going had epic bgm and thought she will bring him back.. but they couldn't stand before Ramsey's 20 good men..
You're right... good example.
+Hemanth khureshi That was the Dreadfort not Winterfell
The thing to admire the most in this conversation is that mormont is giving jon a chance to be reborn, it does not matter who he was or who his family was. the point is he is now a brother of the nights watch with a holy mission that dwarfs any other in the realm, and that should be jons main focus.
The nights watch was NNN before NNN existed
the actor who plays Jeor is wide as a house even as an older gentleman. Looks strong as an ox.
This is my favourite scene in Game Of Thrones. I loved the Night's Watch so much, Jeor and Aemon were so damn awesome and Jeor's speech was the coolest thing I've heard.
It's so clear how desperate they were for a capable young leader to replace them when they died at their posts.
"Oh and you're gonna bring him back to life, are ya?"
Imagine undead Jon succeeding the Night's King and bringing Ned's corpse back to life, now that'd be some foreshadowing.
MrDonnie54 .... he would be bringing back a bag of bones and would have to get the skull of the spike in the red keep and reanimate that too
MrDonnie54 it would be interesting if Jon became the night's king but in a good way like will Turner being the Dutchman to guide the dead
It's foreshadowing Jon's 2nd death, season 6 and 7 Arya and Sansa have two similar conversations with this and Jon and Sansa in season 6,Jon will be beheaded it is known
James Cosmo looks exactly like a man from Bear Island, big, strong, determine. Man, the casting was awesome.
That line
“If we beheaded every man who ran from the Night, only ghosts would guard the wall.”
It’s an interesting quote when you remember that the 3rd scene in the entire series was Ned executing a nights watch deserter.
Really helps hammer in the idea that the nights watch isn’t the honorable institution that Jon thinks it is.
Of course Jon already knew that at this point but it shows how deep the rot goes if the commander is treating desertion like skipping school.
He said "who ran away FOR the night". In other words, having cold feet but coming right back is fine to him. The guy at the beginning ran away with zero intention of coming back and was gone so long that they knew about it and Ned caught him.
Who would win: an army of the dead, raised by a mysterious force beyond the wall, in the lands of eternal ice and always winter... Or...
...one sneaky screaming teleporting girl?
We all know the answer to that by now and it was beyond bloody disappointing!
When dead men and worse come hunting for us in the night do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne? No, only matters where is Arya at that moment
They could have at least made her disguise herself as one of the whitewalkers but no, she flies from a magic portal...
@@MrWatcherQuiet how would she obtain a face from something that disintegrates upon death?
*"Honour made you leave, Honour brought you back."*
*"My friends brought me back."*
*"I never said it was your Honour."*
The writing back then was just... wow...
The night watcher's war really does make Danerys, the Lannisters, Stark's, Tyrells and Beratheons look like they're LITERALLY playing a game of thrones. I was more invested here with Jon than anywhere else in this show
such an amazing scene
In the end he chose to be a bastard boy wanting to play at war.
Lol so true...
that was after his watch had ended.
Xross SweatPantz true at that point he had no obligation to stay with the watch besides out of honour for his fallen brothers but that sense of honour withered the day his brothers stabbed him, their own lord commander, in the heart and killed him. He owes them nothing now, he is free now , his watch has ended.
He (ultimately) did it because the other Northern lords wouldn't provide assistance. Watch Davos's speech to Lady Mormont again.
jon attacked the boltons so he can unite the north and prepare to fight against the army of the dead not to march south u idiot
So many meaningful themes in one small scene. Peak Television.
Epic scene. I love the actor who plays Jeor, he was great way back when in Braveheart.
Everyone else in the seven kingdoms needs to get their heads out of the clouds. The white walkers are coming, and nothing can stop them.
I was thinking more like, getting their head out of their asses.
Lyanna Mormont's got them fools covered dw
I was reading that last line inside remembering Jon snow's voice..:-D
stop them with dragon glass, valyrian steel and frickin dragons.
and an imp
From the other kingdoms standpoint, you have a better chance at convincing them dany has 3 dragons compared to the dead are coming. Even ned didnt believe the deserter in episode 1 and their slogan is, "Winter is coming."
This scene gave me goosebumps, Jeor was such a great inspirational leader hell I would love to fight beside him and he's not even real says alot about the acting.
'You're gonna bring em back to life are you?' - THE FORESHADOWING
Um no.
+Gooby LMAOOO!!! Exactly!
Just what are you alluding to? I bet it turns out to be important.
Gooby
Dude he's using a knife while eatting food
The foreshadowing!!!!
Splendifirous no it's not it's reference to the recent attack from the wights do you people even know what foreshadowing is
''And you're going to bring him back to life are you?! No? Good. We've had enough of that sort of thing.''
These early seasons really do make you feel sad at how it all ended up,the writing,story and pacing were different class and easliy one of the best shows I have ever seen,sadly the final seasons had none of this and ultimately made the whole thing pointless
There's audiobooks read by Roy Dotrice if that helps. Season 1 is better than book 1, but after that the books start to have waaay more scenes I missed from the show.
There's also hundreds of giants in the book.
Thanks for flushing this terrific acting and writing down the toilet D&D, you truly subverted my expectations. My expectations that this show was going to be good that is.
The Nights Watch segments of the show were always my favorite. Breaks my heart knowing that basically none of them survived the show by the end, since I don't think even the background characters survived after the Battle of Winterfell
Well, we know Jon Snow (who left the NW after his death) and Samwell Tarly are still alive.
“I want you and your wolf with us…” fuckinf right
This show was so f'ing good in the early season. The mysteries were deep, the characters were strong, the setting was gorgeous. I think I'll just rewatch until about season four and let my memory of what came later evaporate.
Jon joining up with Robb's army would've been an interesting What if?
Robb would have been forced to behead him for deserting. I guess that is interesting.
***** I doubt Robb would have beheaded him. He probably would have pardon him and let him fight by his side.
AzzRaze Never underestimate the Starks' honor induced moronic decision makings.
majungasaurusaaaa What's so moronic about that scenario?
Everyone knows the Night's Watch vows and the price you pay for deserting.
If Jon actually deserted one of his brothers would take his head. Be it Robb or a brother of the Night's Watch.
Jon agreed to that fact the moment he swore his vows.
The Starks are one of the few houses to actually keep the vows they swear and bear the consequences for breaking them. That's not moronic, that's the only rightful way.
I call it moronic when people can swear and break vows like some 5-year old's petty promises without having to fear any consequences whatsoever.
Hrodberht Asagod You mean like Robb keeping his vow to marry Walder Frey's daughter? I don't think it would be as clear-cut as you're suggesting.
Started out with such potential, a perfect mirror to the parlor games and court intrigue, the real war, and then they went and dashed it all in season 8.
...and Cotter Pyke is never seen or heard of again.
"Do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?"
Season 8 certainly thought so.
"When Benioff and Weiss come to fuck the show, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?"
This was an epic scene
And here we witness one of the greatest speeches in Game of Thrones...
…a short and concise speech about the repetitive nature of having to be fed the same meal for breakfast every morning. Truly inspirational and one that can resonate with the common man. So much respect for the Old Bear and his ability to relate to you and me.
This scene is one of those which you come to think off once in a while and you just have to see it again. Glad i found this on youtube... Gives me goosebumps everytime! :)
Jeor: "and you're going to bring him back to life, are you?",
Melisandre: "Hold my beer"
Came back to this scene as a reminder -- crazy that this war wasn't the crescendo of the final season. We've got three episodes of coda left.
This is what made me want to enlist
Enlistment is for suckers.
Be a commissioned officer or don't join at all.
+SecretAgentMan00 If all the men are suckers and idiots the life of an officer won't be that good either. Thank goodness some of us are simply content with a life of mediocrity and following orders.. lol.
So you did the exact opposite of what joer mormont was talking about?
Phantom X Mormont basically gave Jon the option of "You down to roll out and do some real shit or just stay here doing the same shit of bitching about things thousands of miles away that are out of your control?" Thrill seekers (usually the young) looking for adventures find it one way or another if they want it bad enough.
SecretAgentMan00 youd be a shit officer.
actor mormont portayed a lot of baddass elderly warriors
That is James Cosmo for you...
Wow, back when this show used to be absolutely amazing and had brilliant dialogue.
Btw, this scene is taken very closely from the books.
The show died once they ran out of book material
Jeor was one of my favorite characters, but it was a mistake leading a large portion of the watch north of the wall. A group that size is not going to find anything out that smaller scouting groups cant.
He was expecting the worst.
Mormont tells Jon in the books that he doesn't expect small groups of scouts to find Benjen. He thinks a group that large would draw enough attention that Benjen and the missing rangers (if alive) would be able to find them instead.
"I didnt say it was your honor"
Jon close your mouth
BK said noone ever
Um this is way back. Kit has improved a lot. He is a much stronger actor as seen in the latest 3 seasons. Lets not forget he had no significant acting experience before GOT. Also the writers explicitly asked him to act dumb and boyish then.
+BK There are way more people who praises Kit' performance like me. I did not like it as much initially but from season 5 he is very good. Emilia, well her role is written badly.
BK He's told by the director to have no range and act like a passive stoner. It's obvious when seeing him outside the role of Jon Snow that he has more range.
BK In the books, Jon is always brooding (And he's like 14!) so that was probably their intention; to have Kit be an emotionless slug to reinforce the brooding serious emo-ness.
They probably, along with Kit, got better at their jobs in future seasons. Not by much, though. lmao.
Such a powerful moment. Shame we lost this quality
"I'll not sit meekly by" The Great Bear Mormont.
Lord commander also fought in the first rebellion of William Wallace. Took an arrow to the chest. But lived to fight a few battles after.
*son tries to remove arrow
YOU IDIOT, BOY!
*snaps arrow. Gets back to the fight
The Nights watch could have been it's own serie, and it would have been great.
“They killed my father!”
“Oh and you’re going to bring him back to life?”
“No”
“Good, I’ve had enough of that sort of thing”
🤣
In the end d&d thought it did matter who say the iron throne…
"I didn't say it was YOUR Honor..." === the best verbal parry ever...
It’s kinda sad in hindsight knowing all they needed to do was send Karl Tanner up north with a Valerian dagger and he could have pricked the Night King thus ending the long night before the sun even went down
I need to get this off my chest.
Remember when the White walkers were an actual threat?
If I would have written Season 8, I would have had them invade King's Landing for the climax and tear the city to pieces, and the Night King would raise the ashes from the Sept of Baelor and reform the corpses with dark magic (so, we would have wights of the Targaryen rulers of old, including the HOTD characters zombified) and Robert and Joffrey, Margaery, and all who died in the explosion
Cersei would be cornered in the throne room, and the wights would outnumber the castle guards (and assimilate them) and she would be trapped against the Iron Throne, and then she would watch in bleak horror as zombified forms of Tywin, Joffrey, Margaery, Tommen, Myrcella, her old friend who she pushed down the well as a kid, Septa Unella, High Sparrow, Ellaria and Tyene, and Ned Stark and his family emerge like a swarm from hell from the double doors. Then they tear her to pieces (would have been a more poetic death for Cersei)
and then the only way to defeat the Night King and his horde would be for the MCs to corral them inside the city and evacuate as many survivors as possible, and then Daenerys can raise hell on half the city on her Dragon, and not compromise her morals for shock value, and Jon could ride Rhaegal and torch the other half of the city.
Really? How would the Night King invade Kingslanding without first crossing the North? Does he want to kill every human and animals and raise them as his soldiers or does he want to end the evil lords or what? You should first determine his intentions before his actions, because you yourself wouldn't take an action, especially a drastic one, without having the intention for it, and your intention should also be backed by logic ideas, so you can have the results you hope for.
@@thecosmiccube8178 I think the Night King would be a dark threat with a desire to reduce the world of men to ruin. His purpose would be to create a land without life because he finds the living abhorrent in all their ways - their noise, their pollution, their destruction of the natural world (maybe in this case he would be an ancient dark godlike creature that existed before the Weirwoods themselves, and when life came to be it disturbed him. Maybe he battled the Children of the Forest in eons long past and was sealed away, but in this case returned due to some reason [yet to be established, but I think the red comet Danaerys saw during the funeral pyre could have had something to do with it]. )
He would be awakened to their modern world, and seeing how much more life exists now compared to his time, his goal would be to eliminate all life, wherever he finds it, and make puppets of the dead to do his bidding (until all the living cease to be, then he would destroy the Whitewalkers, as well) Being immortal, he would have enough hubris to believe he could actually exterminate all life.
He would intend start with the Wildlings and the remaining Children of the Forest, and grow his army from their corpses, and create an army that needs no food and feels no fatigue, and they would grow with each man, woman, child, animal and Dragon (Viserion) slain.
I don't think the Night King needs to be overcomplicated - he's just a force of reckoning, essentially.
@@dinahranieri4443 Well, that seems... better. We have this religion of Melisandre, where she worship the lord of the light, and it's similar to Zoroastrianism. In the religion, the lord of light, wisdom, goodness and all that fights eternally the lord of darkness and evil. You can portray the Night King as that lord of evil, who represents cold, dark and horror, unlike the lord of light who represent warm and brightness and knowledge (Which can be perceived by the witches who knew secrets, like Melisandre in S8 E3, and that preist with Tyrion and Varys, I don't remember her name] And that actually fits well with the story, for Melisandre and other worshippers of the lord of light had the prophecy of the prince and princess that was born from fire and remake the world, and Dany is the princess who sought all of her life to make the world better, but the lord of darkness, the Night King, decided to act and march against to stop the prophecy, which why when the battle happened, the lord of light showed his power through set aflame the blades of Dothraki, and the trench, indicating that the war is between him and the lord of darkness, not only between the living and the dead, and that would also give meaning and purpose of why the lord of light revived Jon snow, who would unite the living.
But the Night King wishing for dead world only is bit excessive in my opinion, but maybe he would end this prophecy so the world continues to be as deteriorated as it always was, I would appreciate such an ending.
@@thecosmiccube8178 Yeah, that makes a lot of sense! :) And definitely fits with the idea of prophecy and struggles of power
Hey, as long as we can get the poetic Cersei throne room scene I won't complain xD I just love the idea of her past sins coming for her literally
@@dinahranieri4443
Well, as poetic as the ending of cersei that you suggested, it also won't be fitting, it almost seems as an anime.
Jeor shows Jon some tough love here. As a northman himself, he understands why Jon wanted to run away but tries to remind him his sworn duty and then shows him how much he values him by taking him along in this dangerous quest.
Any man that starts a sentence with “Ham” deserves some beer.
Gods the dialogue was strong back then.
How the showrunners handled and resolved the war with The Others was a travesty.
"But we got to have a zombie bear, because that's cool!" Seven Hells wait for D&D.
This is my favourite scene of the shole show. Really was a masterpiece
When you realise Mormont was more of a father figure to Jon than Eddard ever could be.
'Jon Snow now, as Commander of the watch and later king in the north, mirrors Jeor Mormonts flexible and realistic sense of honor more than he does Stark. He's not rigid in his beliefs, like his uncle, because Mormont taught him that when you need to do the right thing, when you need to accomplish something for the greater good, you need to be proactive and face any and all challenges directly. He taught him to play the game, something Ned never did...
no he didnt. Jeor was a braindead idiot who taught Jon only one thing: how ot be a braindead idiot who gets everyone killed. he left a defensive position and got himself caught in the open, only to apparently find out what he already should have known/did know. a smart commander doesnt leave his walls unless he absolutely has to. and had they not left their defensive position, that would have given the Northern houses more time to reinforce the Wall and provide more.
@@godemperorofmankind3.091 Well, I mean, never said he played the game well...
This is like saying Littlefinger and Cersei were more like parents to Sansa than her actual parents... It's a pretty idiotic thought line.
Ned was his father
But it can be argued mormont helped shape him into a leader
Stark men are naive and the being at the watch did make him quicker
A powerfull scene that says everything... Every time I see this scene and remember the ending of GOT i'm glad that he returned to Castle Black and beyond the wall...
He is no more a bastard son, he's no more some legit heir of the Iron Throne (who doesn't exist anymore, wich means men will be still playing some game for little boys but with someone who sees through lies)... But those things doesn't matter.
Jon is the true protector and the hero of Westeros.
The one who gains his freedom at the true North (with no more lies, conspirancies, treasons, enemies or secrets)
All this suspense and expectation...
eeeeeeeeekkkkkk! Immma close blue eyes now I'm a kewt fighter girl!
The first few seasons can be summed up as Stannis makes good offers and is rejected, the Nights Watch calls for any sort of help and is ignored.
I loved GOT, but as a US Marine who's been in cold weather, this whole not wearing head gear was so absurd. All I saw in these scenes were guys who should have been too cold to function.
at least the wildlings wore headgear, plus it was probably so it's easier to recognise characters
I get sad watching the early seasons of Game of Thrones. It was such an amazing show and beautifully crafted storytelling. I wish not to speak of the later seasons.
I separate the first 4 seasons from the rest of the show.
After thousands of rewatchs I just realized they saw wight corpses at eastwatch. This shit is DEEP
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Maester Aemon a few seasons from now.
"If we beheaded every ranger who lay with a girl, the wall would be manned by headless men."
Jagamae thantiram Peter
GOT should be a great example of class.
HBO spent millions upon millions with rooms full of writers. Screen players. Top level producer's. But shitty directors.
And none of that even compares to the writings of one man. An entirely different class.
@Anjelica Snorcket The ego of D&D is truly astonishing. I guess as they say pride comes before the fall. I wished GRRM said more in stopping them and instead asked for teams of writers to be brought in. With the budget of the show they could have probably got some some of the best instead of what happened with just D&D. I honestly didn't think I could dislike D&D anymore but what you said puts a nail in that coffin.
"Oh and you're gonna bring him back to life are ye? No? Good; we've had enough of that sort o'thing."
Do you think it matters who sits the Iron Throne?
Stannis: They will bend the knee.
"When dead men and worse come hunting for us in the night, do you think it matters who sits on the Iron Throne?"
"No."
"Good. Because I want you and your wolf to go to your half brother and convince him to make peace and bring all the armies of the south up here, so that we can ride out and meet Mance Rayder in strength, not send 300 men to die in the cold wilderness."
only a fool leaves a defensive advantage.
and jon will never be able to make robb abandon his war vs Joffrey