(Update): Ebay has sided with me on this case that I can't return the game and get a full refund. They replied within like 10 min. of me starting the case.
I have been collecting disc games for over 20 years and I use the same program to verify but at 4X speed or lower. That Sims looks like it has top label scratches, I know this is an issue with GC games. I hope it works out for you on your Suikoden 2 purchase.
When I tried ripping the Sims it failed constantly. Maybe the label side is scratched and if so it might be really close to the data layer. Not loosing sleep over it though... at least not compared to Suikoden II lol.
@@dstreet3818 Just an FYI, the "painted" label side of a disc is the most vulnerable. The reason for this is the data is literally written on an unprotected layer just beneath the label/paint. So if the top of your disc or paint becomes scratched, your data is basically useless, and it will NEVER read. The bottom of the disc where the laser reads from, actually has a very thick layer protecting the data. That's why you can still play discs scratched to hell and back and they work fine. Those scratches may cause read skips, caused by refraction in the light when the laser attempts to read it, but the data is undamaged, and 99% of the time resurfacing can restore its readability. It's a common misconception that the bottom of a disc should be the most protected, but it's not, it's the top.
@@danbooke2001 Thanks, I've known how optical media works for a while now. Since I started collecting games heavily that's when I started understanding more of it. I remember my original copy of FF7 on PS1 the 3rd disc I could never get working once I started the final boss area before Jenova Synthesis because there was scratches/cuts on the label side of the disc and even resurfacing the disc multiple times back then I couldn't get it to work. For many years I couldn't finish one of my favorite games ever because of that until like 2010 I think is when I finally finished the game lol.
I have 2 gamecube games, and 1 Xbox 360 game (ignoring the games that either i don’t really care about, require a weird accessory in order to work at all, or i already have on PC (one of the 360 games i have was also released on PC, Xbox One, PS3, and PS4)), which i am not sure how to back up And considering the fact that i have to watch my back (thankfully not as much as before), I don’t even know if i would be able to back up the games without “them” trying to find a way to throw the book at me I also have 7 disc based PC games, although 5 are steam discs, so i do not need the original disc for those, the other two are games i have purchased on steam, one is farming simulator 15 gold edition (the disc is in poor condition though, this was the first PC game i had, this exact copy), the other is the ORIGINAL star wars battlefront (not the 2015 remake)
Wow, very interesting stuff......I had no idea this was a thing. I have alot of old SegaCD and Playstation games I'd be interested to check out on this "ripping" process. Hope to see you do an in-depth video on that. Thanks so much for sharing......hope you get a refund on that Suikoden. 👍
Some of my old game cds have become damaged. No way to rip those to the hard drive and the installer on the game will not work with anything beyond DOS or Windows XP. I hope developers will put the games on solid state drive cartridges with the games pre-installed for instant play and no need to install onto a PC. Just plug the cartridge into a reader and start playing. The SSD will also have enough space for mods, game saves and DLC. If space runs out then it can be put on the PC. Distributing games through download is a bad idea since some games will have huge files over a hundred gigabytes that will take many hours to download and long install times.
Thanks for informative video! I am interested to see video about game archiving or game backup. I wonder, if it still possible to save Suikoden II by using disk resurfacer. But of course, the price you have paid the game, it might be better to return game and get money back.
If a disc has a deep enough scratch that it reaches the data layer, no amount of disc resurfacing will fix that sadly. For Suikoden II I dont think resurfacing is going to fix it and right now I'm not gonna do that in case Ebay does allow me to send it back.
Idk I feel like if it works on original hardware it should be good. You might have opened a can of worms with that rip test lol. But for a large purchase you wanna be complety certain .
(Update): Ebay has sided with me on this case that I can't return the game and get a full refund. They replied within like 10 min. of me starting the case.
I have been collecting disc games for over 20 years and I use the same program to verify but at 4X speed or lower. That Sims looks like it has top label scratches, I know this is an issue with GC games. I hope it works out for you on your Suikoden 2 purchase.
When I tried ripping the Sims it failed constantly. Maybe the label side is scratched and if so it might be really close to the data layer. Not loosing sleep over it though... at least not compared to Suikoden II lol.
@@dstreet3818 Just an FYI, the "painted" label side of a disc is the most vulnerable. The reason for this is the data is literally written on an unprotected layer just beneath the label/paint. So if the top of your disc or paint becomes scratched, your data is basically useless, and it will NEVER read. The bottom of the disc where the laser reads from, actually has a very thick layer protecting the data. That's why you can still play discs scratched to hell and back and they work fine. Those scratches may cause read skips, caused by refraction in the light when the laser attempts to read it, but the data is undamaged, and 99% of the time resurfacing can restore its readability. It's a common misconception that the bottom of a disc should be the most protected, but it's not, it's the top.
@@danbooke2001 Thanks, I've known how optical media works for a while now. Since I started collecting games heavily that's when I started understanding more of it.
I remember my original copy of FF7 on PS1 the 3rd disc I could never get working once I started the final boss area before Jenova Synthesis because there was scratches/cuts on the label side of the disc and even resurfacing the disc multiple times back then I couldn't get it to work.
For many years I couldn't finish one of my favorite games ever because of that until like 2010 I think is when I finally finished the game lol.
Very informative. Thank you for this.
I have 2 gamecube games, and 1 Xbox 360 game (ignoring the games that either i don’t really care about, require a weird accessory in order to work at all, or i already have on PC (one of the 360 games i have was also released on PC, Xbox One, PS3, and PS4)), which i am not sure how to back up
And considering the fact that i have to watch my back (thankfully not as much as before), I don’t even know if i would be able to back up the games without “them” trying to find a way to throw the book at me
I also have 7 disc based PC games, although 5 are steam discs, so i do not need the original disc for those, the other two are games i have purchased on steam, one is farming simulator 15 gold edition (the disc is in poor condition though, this was the first PC game i had, this exact copy), the other is the ORIGINAL star wars battlefront (not the 2015 remake)
Wow, very interesting stuff......I had no idea this was a thing.
I have alot of old SegaCD and Playstation games I'd be interested to check out on this "ripping" process.
Hope to see you do an in-depth video on that.
Thanks so much for sharing......hope you get a refund on that Suikoden. 👍
Some of my old game cds have become damaged. No way to rip those to the hard drive and the installer on the game will not work with anything beyond DOS or Windows XP. I hope developers will put the games on solid state drive cartridges with the games pre-installed for instant play and no need to install onto a PC. Just plug the cartridge into a reader and start playing. The SSD will also have enough space for mods, game saves and DLC. If space runs out then it can be put on the PC. Distributing games through download is a bad idea since some games will have huge files over a hundred gigabytes that will take many hours to download and long install times.
Blu ray game discs are really easily damaged on the top layer. Be careful with blu ray.
Thanks for informative video! I am interested to see video about game archiving or game backup. I wonder, if it still possible to save Suikoden II by using disk resurfacer. But of course, the price you have paid the game, it might be better to return game and get money back.
If a disc has a deep enough scratch that it reaches the data layer, no amount of disc resurfacing will fix that sadly.
For Suikoden II I dont think resurfacing is going to fix it and right now I'm not gonna do that in case Ebay does allow me to send it back.
Idk I feel like if it works on original hardware it should be good. You might have opened a can of worms with that rip test lol. But for a large purchase you wanna be complety certain .
I've tried it on different computers and disc drives. For every attempt it fails at the same percentage, so it really is having some issues.