Why Treyarch is KILLING Zombies
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2023
- I don't think Modern Warfare III zombies is going to be good at all, and I discuss why its going to be the way it is and how the zombies game mode has fallen as far as it has.
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*Correction at 8:29 the mode in MWIII will be 60 minutes per session.
What a relief! Those 44 extra minutes are gonna be a HUGE difference! After all, setting a timer to zombies doesn’t kill the whole reason people liked to play, you know, seeing how long they could play? Then again, it wont be a problem if rounds don’t even exist. Right? 😀👍
What’s even the point in having a timer on how long you can play?
@mf_me0w760 Who knows? I guess we'll find out.
Outbreak is by far the most laziest & boring zombies mode I have ever played
@@thebigal123 Facts. 🙏
I’m also annoyed that we have to call classic zombies “round based.” Even when we had modes like Dead Ops, Grief, Turned, Rush, or Gauntlet, modes that were not technically round based, they didn’t feel so alienating to where we had to rename classic zombies.
Good point, calling zombies round based is just a way of segmenting the community.
@@CJSantaTrue. And it’s because Outbreak got so much traction. If Cold War had more classic zombies content throughout the year, I don’t think the divide would be as big. But because they spent half of Cold War’s life cycle updating Outbreak, it’s no wonder there’s such a divide.
I think we should call outbreak/ vanguard 'objective based' and 'round based' should just be 'zombies'. I dont mind the terms but i agree with what you say about the community
@@arnathan1792 The Outbreak updates were literally just weapons,enemies and pieces of other round based map. Not very much original content was spent on updating Outbreak, outside of the EE’s. A majority of the new content Cold War received was through round based releases, then Outbreak would get that same stuff a half season later. Since Outbreak is just 1 play space/mode it looks bigger or looks more supported than 4 separate round based releases.
@@Ermac43 the fact that they were able to drip feed recycled content for outbreak for over 5 months is pretty bad
I wouldn't say it's Treyarch but the scummy suits at Activision that keeps ruining zombies.
Nah fr real
right like do we really think this is what trey arch artists WANT to do?
No
Treyarch IS the one tasked with making the zombies mode now. It's clear that they don't have the passion they once did. Probably because Activision is forcing them to put zombies in every game. Even ones they aren't developing themselves.
@ellismark2750 You don't have friends Jordan so your opinions don't matter lol.
This is why so many people still play bo3 zombies to this day
Playing bo3 rn so fun man if they stuck with bo3 mechanics for zombies outbreak would never be a thing
@@tylerlanier3010 so true. it was the best zombies and then they just ruin it
I just miss how much lore waw and bo1 maps had. The difficulty was on point and locations amazing.
We have more lore than ever, play the games and you’d realize that
There was barely any lore in WaW and bo1 lol and barely any depth
@@k1tchN there was a plausible back story. after origing they just started to add time travelling and alien bullshit
@@cakes9962 so you mean you missed WaWs and half of BO1s lore was more scientific conspiracy lore instead of what they did after half way through BO1? Because when it got to Shangri La it got .. well confusing I’ll say but if you actually look into the new CW lore it’s pretty good the world building so far is great imo, because the zombies are basically only in breaches and don’t spread like a virus it makes sense by we get maps that we got it wouldn’t make too much sense if we got maps like Origins and MOTD simply because well it was completely overrun by element 115 while here the zombies can’t get too far from the anomaly or breaches or else they’ll .. die lol, either ways I’d suggest actually looking into both CWs lore and Chaos Lore they’re pretty entertaining now for characters and plot well that’s something else but the world building is certainly interesting imo
@@Fckituppp i liked the scientific, consipiranoic hidden story telling. I liked how they made richtofen a manipulative villain. They used aether and mystical stuff like the mpd and shangri-la, but still it felt roooted. Basically the zombies was a failed belic experiment. Also in each map you felt like you were on your own and isolated.
CW does not even have playable characters, only the side people that chat. To me it very boring and lazy how they did the story in bocw.
I never played bi4 so idk about chaos.
Fortnite killed zombies. I’m very serious
I’ve never understood why they can’t just add a few survival maps the size of farm or bus depot to Cold War, or really any others. I can’t imagine that it would take much dev time, and in such a content drought I’ve always thought it to be such a no brainer.
Damn, they're taking out everything I love about zombies. My favorite parts were the story, the easter eggs, the ability to chill and go for high rounds. Now, all we get is this BS.
It's sad, but the good thing is we can always go back to those old classics and appreciate how good they are 🥲
We will probably never have the bo1, bo2, bo3, bo4 or iw quality zombies again 😔
Iw was the shit man so fire
@lucasguevara9242 the super ee rewards were nutty good
You are very underrated. I couldn't even tell I was watching a vid with less than 1000 views, very polished on all things and you come up with great points. New sub.
Thanks my dude 👍 I've been doing my best to up my editing game 😁
I appreciate your bluntness. People often conflate that with being toxic but no, you're just passionate. I've been saying this since the end of Cold War's lifecycle nobody wants to admit Treyarch is taking the mode in the wrong direction. They read the room wrong with BO4 and tried to change everything instead of building off the great original foundation they've had since WaW. I hope they right the wrongs with 2024, but I'm sure they won't.
It's a bad feeling knowing deep down zombies will die in 2024, but I'll still stay on the copium.
Bro I just want infinity ward and sledgehammer to make their own unique mode. I’d kill to see extinction again
This is a perfect summary of the current state of Zombies. As a OG Zombies fan myself it's super disheartening to see the mode I love go down like this. I don't feel like it will get any better but I hope it does. I hate outbreak, and idky people actually defend it still
My brother likes Outbreak a lot.
This aint cod. This is a completely different game now. They should just stop calling it cod at this point
You're not alone. One of my friends thinks outbreak is the best CoD zombie mode 😂😂. I said fuck no, it's not even close. But he is a warzone fanboy. So whatever.
I still play custom zombies to this day
The main people who made the original zombies good all left Treyarch after Black Ops 4 so the whole "Treyarch zombies" thing these days means absolutly nothing
Sadly true, I wish some new talent would come in and at least make the new things fun and creative, but that seems too hard, apparently.
The Quality of this vid is so good you deserve so much more attention, keep uploading you got your self a new sub :)
Only part i like of zombies is seeing how long i can last with the ever increasing speed of the zombies running trains and camping on certain parts with friends to see how long you can hold the line is fun easter eggs are interesting to do once but i dont like when it feels like the whole map is made just for it all i need is my pap and perks and mystery box to have fun dont like boss zombies really or even dogs theyre fine as long they dont change every other round but it honestly kind of ruins it for me when theyre included part of the reason i like nacht is due to feeling like you locked your self inside along with other survivors just seeing how long you can make it just like the classic zombie movies
you saying why BO3 is getting custom content and cold war isn't let me tell you COD Cold War doesn't have the Workshop like BO3 so that can't be used in a arguement
Black Ops 2 and 3 are still extremely popular online and very repayable and black ops 2 doesn't have a very large custom map selection.
I just don't feel with how easy and hand-holding cold war is that it will have the lasting power of previous games.
Erm. who let bro cook
And then imagine this new zombies mode ends up being fire
I would be surprised but happy if it was. I want zombies to be good, and I will give mw3 zombies a fair chance.
I hope that Treyarch make their new Cod Zombie game with round based maps, and that the maps will have the feeling of a CoD Zombie map.
I'm happy this appeared in my recommend. I haven't played cod in lile 5 years and it's sad to see what has happened to it
It's been rough in these trenches 😔
Thank goodness microsoft blessed us with the cod library with all the games.
Well personally I think what led to vanguard zombies downfall was more a lack of time and money and a small dev team with little to no experience with making zombies if I recall correctly, pretty sure they were multiplayer guys. (It was 100% activisions fault vanguard was bad, treyarch literally did nothing wrong-) so while I guess you could call both the vanguard dev team and the cold war dev team "treyarch" they arent the same so it's not really the same situation between Vanguard and MW3. I actually trust Kevin Drew and the gang. We havent really seen anything much on MW3 yet so I'd hold off on judgements. I think it's okay to have zombies be an umbrella for all of call of duty's pve ventures and not just roundbased. I like outbreak just as much as roundbased, hell I like extinction just as much as roundbased. It's kind of a cope to call the success of outbreak a lie just because you dont like it. Personally I'm excited to hear more news on MW3 zombies and am excited for another attempt at open world zombies. Some of the details I'm hearing like it being a mix between outbreak and DMZ sound like great concepts. So I dont personally think treyarch is killin zombies, infact I'm pretty dure cold war was like an all time high in the zombies playerbase and got a ton of people over from multiplayer and actually appealed to normal people instead of youtubers who wanna make hour long wonder weapon build tutorials. Anyway just wanted to write this. Thank you for reading and have a good day/night.
You mentioned extinction, extinction had effort, depth and character. Didn't play like zombies because it was a diffrent thing. And it was great. I feel treyarch just don't have a clear direction after bo4 zombies.
@@CJSanta Idk I think they have plenty of direction. Cold war they were focusing on gameplay and it fuckin worked out, I agree they lacked some personality but I do think they made up for it in inivation and gameplay design. For all the bad things that Vanguard did, one thing it did well was show they were willing to listen to the community. The biggest complaint with cold war was its lack of personality and Vanguard had alot of personality. I'm hoping MW3 can be a mix between those two games best parts. Cold wars gameplay design and the vanguard personality. We're gonna ignore that the archon was a reskinned map and all that. When I say personality I mean characters and the art direction for Der Anfang and the dark aether area in Terra. If MW3 can have the best of both worlds they'll knock it out of the park.
The point of me mentioning extinction was that I dont think it needs to be roundbased to be a really great zombies mode. If they just have a better version of outbreak with the same amount of personality put into as vanguard I think we'd have a hit. And until we get more info we dont know enough to say whether or not it'll have that personality or that gameplay.
I actually agree with most of your points. Zombies fans saying round based is the only way that zombies could exist, is a path to a dark road after the release and disaster of BO4.
The reason Outbreak blew up and had neck and neck player count wasn’t because it was “like Warzone”, but because it was finally something new that people who grew out of round based could play. I’ve been playing since WaW and Outbreak and these new steps they’re making towards expanding zombies to be more than just 1 map per season and have an ever evolving playground is just cool to me.
I hate this negativity and the idea that there are “real zombies fans” or “true zombies” is so horseshit. Watching so many people, including myself fall back into love with zombies through Cold War after whatever BO4 was, was incredible to see. I still play Cold War to this day and plenty other do. Zombies was revitalized after Cold War and that’s an objective truth and it’s just starting to branch out alittle bit after 14 years.
@@Ermac43 I mean... I actually liked Bo4 lol. But I'm glad you enjoyed Cold War and I hope you enjoy whatever MW3 does next with the mode. Thank you for leaving this comment, it was very fun to read.
i was sitting at my computer just saying "trueee" over and over ahahaha. I hop they realize they can still fix it before its to late. And Great video flow i usually cant sit through videos but was really engaged with this, thanks for this banger!
This is exactly how I feel about Zombies! I've sunk thousands of hours into Zombies since the early days and this is exactly how I feel. Modern Zombies is too far easy and boring despite the fact that I play the same old legacy maps and RARELY feel bored.
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Thanks. That means alot 😊
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the loss of round based gameplay isn't the only issue, i can list 100 problems with zombies past bo3, it's far from good now
Not to say bo3 was perfect, but there's a reason zombies chronicles made the most money of any cod dlc.
@@CJSanta yeah fr i didnt even like bo3 zombies when it first came out, thought it was way too much, but in recent years i really appreciate it being the last good zombies game, it did literally everything right pleading hardcore fans, casual fans, has custom zombies etc
@aprazoh As someone who always saw the passion put into bo4, it's sort of a good feeling now having that game be reevaluated. Bo4 has become one of my favorite zombies games. I've been working on a video project talking about one of the maps in that game, it'll be our within the next month or so.
(Please read the whole comment if you don’t at least respond talking about what i am saying and call me a activision rider I will ignore you) Heyo long time zombies player. Am I the only one that loves outbreak? I got sick of round based because of boredom of at this point in round based zombies SINCE BO3 round based zombies has turned into time based zombies. No matter what you do you just sit there and keep shooting your wonder weapons. I got sick of it. Every map plays the same. It isn’t how long can I last? It’s how long can I play or how long before it crashes. That’s the point of zombies. How long can I Iast is the main thing missing since bo3.
This is where outbreak comes in and fixes that issue as it introduces the objectives and go at your own pace.
The objectives bring extra difficulty as you not only need to worry about yourself but the objective as well. The difficulty is higher too. I made it to round 100 on all Cold War maps (except fire base z) and the enemies health are WAYYYY higher in outbreak than round 100. )remember when trearch almost killed Cold War when they raised the health cap to 85? Because they were no one shot wonder weapons or traps which makes all weapons useless? Nothing just to remind you that.
You can rush into objectives is a choice you can do, or take your time and do the side objectives for points. The difficulty curb increases until like round 15-20 and at that point the difficulty has peaked and only rush the objectives. And even while doing that the panzer and tempest chase you down so the stakes are still high.
Anyways my point is. That outbreak introduces choose your own play style while also being challenging for the objectives. That returns the concept of how long can I last?
The current world record for outbreak (2100+) ended in a death not a crash. I also love the maps. Spawning on top of a giant hill and parachute your way down Is really fun. Or fighting your way to get on top of the hill. Or your standard big building map that takes half of the map. And more. Which makes each map stand out :0. Exepct for zoo your forgettable.
Thank you for reading
Honestly, reading all these comments and watching the video, it just feels like a bunch of unwarranted hate for new modes and even new zombies players. I’ve also been playing zombies since WaW and played tons of WaW customs back in the day and I enjoyed Outbreak and wanna see those ideas grow. It wasn’t something I played all the time or replaced round based with, but I loved seeing Treyarch try something new and it working out for them. Both these modes can absolutely coexist together, some zombies fans just get toxic.
@@Ermac43 you're literally getting half arsed modes stripped straight from multiplayer I can't believe this game mode gets any defence
I play cold war zombies because host migration (which is basically guaranteed on bo3) is an instant end game.
I go back to bo3 because cold war is easy and feels like it's made for people who liked to play in easy Rebirth matches
damn bro thought youd have like a quarter million subs, good video man keep it up
That's what alot of people have said, I'll keep trying my best to make quality vids 👌 🙂
Words well said man
I dropped off zombies but I do hang around and my friend said in one of zombies servers
Dude why do u not play any cod zombie games anymore
and I said simple
It's lost its way
I grew up with waw zombies and later on moved on to bo1 bo2 and bo3 (were u had to learn a serten skill level to be good( maybe bo3 aswell but meh gobblegums even tho they were fun dont get me wrong), and the main reason why I used to like it was because when achieving a goal of a round on a hard map it used to be so satisfying, + I loved the clostifobic maps that are small and have loads of deal witch is the complete opisit now these days.
I will always remember as a kid being so interested what was out of bounds, for example,
(People are gonna hate me for this lmao ) but not being a big fan of kino cuz it's more of the easy map over 5, no matter how many times I played it i was always intrigued on what was on the other side of the barricades, for example the one at spawn were it was pitch black.
It makes your mind think anything could be there.
Sorry for the bad spelling 😂
wow I didnt know outbreak was a repurposed BR, that makes so much sense
It's a shame, I liked Blackout and would have loved to see its sequel.
The Battle Royale craze was what inspired Treyarch and Activision to kill Zombies, I will forever hate Battle Royale games and Warzone for this.
i liked Outbreak and i still play it from time to time, while it doesn't have your typical arcade structure, it does bring a breath of fresh air to the mode i think was necessary (while paired with the classic zombies of course), tho i have to agree on the overall theme of the maps, they feel as lively as they were in multiplayer, they didn't bother adding some blood around, corpses, debris, broken vehicles, nothing, but imagine how good a map like Tranzit would play with Outbreak's "rules", that would sell like hotcakes imo.
I love Classic Zombies and i like Outbreak, i think the only real flaw with the mode is how zombies only pop around to bother during objectives, so outside of them the game as a whole feels incredibly empty, while for the maps, i think the best fix would be to give Treyarch more time to "zombify" the maps while still recycling them, if not outright let them make completely separate maps for the mode.
This was my take on the subject, you don't really have to agree to it, but we should acknowledge that whenever or not we like it, Outbreak is here to stay, so we might as well give some feedback on how to improve upon it instead of just saying "it doesn't feel like zombies".
MWIII Zombies gonna be like a casual CoD DayZ😳
Oh no 😢
Just got this recommended today your channel is dope
Appreciate it. Most all my other videos are much more positive than this, I don't like being to negative on cod 😅
I think you're the first youtuber that I've seen perfectly describe why Cold War Zombies felt like ass. I only ever played the first map but when I played it I just kept thinking it felt like shit. I couldn't ever describe why, it just felt bad. I never even got to doing the EE, I never got the wonder weapon, I never experienced the boss zombie of the map. I just couldn't stand the mode from the start of it and everyone online seemed to praise it and I couldn't figure out why.
The lack of an actual crew feels like they're too scared to make a replacement to the original crew. They tried so many different crews and the only ones that seemed to generate a good response was the Primis and Ultimus crews and the MOTD crew. Primis worked since it was an evolved state of Ultimus, the characters felt like they grew from what they were in Ultimus. I think the Ultimus crew had character and their interactions with each other helped a lot, one of my favourite memories from Zombies was in BO1 on Kino when you interact with the portraits of the other characters and your character has some random sentence to bash on that character. This added a lot of depth to them even if they were gross stereotypes and allowed people to actually develop a relationship with the crew. That kind of interaction couldn't really be captured in the later games. I think the 2 unique crews fans like had something in common (Ultimus and MOTD), the crews didn't actually like each other.
For the longest time I felt like I was crazy because I hated the game but everyone else praised it.
But when I finally gathered my thoughts, and put them out there in a concise way, tons of players really resonated with it.
I was very happy to see and hear a lot of players agreed. 👍
dude you're speaking here is seriously emotionally stimulating. wow i wish so bad that those shits would see this video and understand this is how we all feel and thankfully some genius of speech was able put it into words. Treyarch, WATCH THIS VIDEO.
It all comes from the passion of the game mode 🫡
i like to catagorize mw3 zombies as "Zombie DMZ" Because they took the idea that was dmz and just threw in zombies
I actually think BO4 Zombies is really fun. From someone who ironically started with BO1 Kino and then worked my way back and honestly despise BO3 Zombies, I think that the reason for the death of Zombies is simply yes from the fact that the only reason gaming numbers are up is because of Quarantine and shit. So what game developers did was just simply give up and just say “Oh you see the success of this game/game mode?” “Barely anyone will be able to tell if we just copy-paste all of that and add it to a new title.” And basically rely on brand recognition at this point because it seems they just stopped giving a fuck about releasing full games at launch because they want the rich kids buying more and more shit to give them that good feeling thinking that “Why unlock this shit by grinding hours and hours and hours and building skill and familiarity with this game and its concepts when I can just buy everything the game has to show that I’m better than you even if I am a noob”. It’s really pathetic and annoying to the OG generations of gamers that were dedicated to putting the actual time in to appreciate games. I can’t even tell the difference between Warzone, Fortnite, PUBG, Apex, Overwatch, you name it. But just to re-clarify, it’s also what I’m seeing with 2K and Madden and (sadly) AEW: Fight Forever. They care more enough on the people spending more and more and more money (that not everyone has because thank you COVID) rather than focusing on releasing whole games for the fanbase itself to keep alive year in and year out. It’s why they’ve stuck with the annual release formula, because it’s ***more money*** and again the younger ones will buy into it regardless because of previously stated ***brand recognition***. Zombies just happens to be one of the worst victims of milking the cow or just simply kicking the dead horse (because it was supposed to end THREE FUCKING TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) It’s why outside of AEW: Fight Forever, I will never buy a game made during the Quarantine Era or even after that. Because plain and simple, developers ***just stopped giving a fuck.***
Tl;dr: “It’s not 2012, and it’s not black ops 2 anymore”
Saved you around 13 minutes ❤
@oklahomacityradiowaves5462 this video has nothing to do with Black ops 2, it has more to do with the laziness of the developers post covid who still make games as if they're under strenuous conditions.
What? Did you even watch the video?
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Zombie with the new engine or i guess the new movement style in Modern warfare just doesn't feel right.
Especially with operators qnd no unique characters on the maps like previous zombies modes.
I think traditional zombies is being kept to Blops and they're using the sledgehammer games as a way to experiment since they were probably bored
I'd just like a *new* zombies mode as good as BO3, maybe even better. Because as of now, BO3 is pretty much the definitive experience for zombies. And don't get me wrong, I fucking love BO3 down to my soul, but sometimes I wish we could get something even better.
I think the turning point was Jason blundell. I truly think that he is the worst thing to happen to zombies. Origins is confusing and ultimately boring, black ops three is the same. And black ops 4 couldve been decent if the mechanic were kept the same and they had more time. This is all my opinion but zombies stopped being scary after black ops 2 and the only one to blame is Jason blundell
I am personally slightly am in agreement. Blundell completely misunderstood what made zombies fun. It was never complicated maps it was the fun of survival and discovery. I think maps with lots of content were a good thing, but often he went WAY too far and made the game impossible for casuals.
@@CJSanta i think Jason brought a lot of development to zombies but I said back in BO3 that things started to become too story based. Easter eggs starting becoming requirements in later games rather than things you could chose to do or not and you couldn't really just hop on and try to survive, you had to go through a load of hoops in the process. The community outreach under Jason in BO3 was incredible, I loved it but it just went too far with the magical fantasy aspects. Obviously Zombies are fantasy on their own but dragons and all sort of crazy monsters took away from the original N*zi story and semi-historically plausible nature.
I’ve been playing zombies since WaW and I loved Cold War and what it brought back to the community after BO4’s crash and burn. No matter what people do now after the fact of BO4’s state, honestly doesn’t matter. BO4 had its time, it’s resources, BO3’s success on its back, and still failed miserably. Cold War on the other hand brought fun gameplay back to zombies, listened to community feedback that was given during BO4, was telling a new storyline, and was expanding on the zombies mode, even adding new forms of progression.
I personally hate the negativity and hating on everything that isn’t “traditional”, because it really doesn’t have to be anything, whatever is fun and people enjoy is honestly the most important thing. After playing every single zombies mode for the past 15 years, they are finally spreading their wings, and for the most part, people are enjoying it.
Round based still exists, it wasn’t magically deleted after Outbreak got 1 more play than it, what’s different now is that they have the backing from the community and hired resources to do more than just round based now.
Honestly I’m expecting MW3 to actually be good and enjoyable, not the best mode in zombies or anything, but just a fun mode for this year that lets us have more fun in 2024 with Treyarch’s full game. We’ll have to wait and see what happens, but I’m looking forward to these next 2 years of zombies as a hardcore long time player.
Round based may still exist but at the cost of putting more time into objective. And I stated what the general thoughts on vanguard were. I actually don't mind Der Anfang personally, I think it's better than Outbreak because of the hub area.
@@CJSanta I disagree. It may seem on paper that these objective modes are getting more support, but they’re just easier to produce and make updates for. Making original round based maps would take up resources from their 2024 project and take more time, where as these objective modes just use what resources are already there making it a lot easier to produce in general. Like you said in your video, it’s reused content and that’s what runs the machine. Outbreak received multiple updates, but it was all supported by the round based map that released along side that season. It’s kinda like a massive zombies playground, where round based is like a detailed doll house.
Vanguard was absolutely horrible and really doesn’t compare to Outbreak, outside of the objectives aspect. The whole selling point of Outbreak is large scale/open world. There is absolutely 0 exploration in Der Anfang and nothing of value in its hub outside of the bare necessities. Outbreak had side objectives, chests with loot, random events like the orb or the helicopter. Nothing like that exists in Vanguard, it is just objective after objective. There’s a reason why Outbreak fans didn’t just run over to Vanguard because of some objectives and enjoy it, nobody did.
8:31 stop man my heart cant take it😢 also this publisher needs to stop treating zombies as a 3rd rate mode just to use it cater to bundles also this video is spitting FACTS and we need our main zombies mode back
i’m here for the bo4 is back mentality. skipped it originally because of launch issues. id get it if it wasn’t still 100$ for all the maps
I signature under every word you said
Why can't Activision just look on numbers on bo3 on steam and compare them to cold war to realize that people like classic zombie model?
Why people hated amazing bo4 zombies with unique map setting and balanced gameplay which will satisfy both new players and veterans?
Why have people praised cold war zombies where you can literally get to round 50+ when first attempting to a new map and then quit because it doesn't offer you any challenge?
Why RUclipss are even comparing outbreak to survival maps when doing their tier lists?
These are the questions that I can't find an answer to
Current state of zombies make me sad and I want to believe that bo2024 will return with our favorite gameplay but I can't see any sign of this to happen
At least we have community maps for bo3 which keep giving me new classic experience for years now, we are lucky that Activision haven't close those servers
Cold of war zombies would’ve been great if all of the time and resources from outbreak were into the round based and they stuck closer to the original
I personally have no issue with objective based zombies, but the studios can’t just forget and abandon round based zombies. I believe that they can both coexist in the same game.
After the Blundell era of zombies and how catered it became to the hardcore/RUclips Side of the community thus turning zombies into this hardcore and gate kept game mode when it doesn’t need to be. I think Cold War focusing on its gameplay and it’s foundations is a great first step.
The criticisms of Cold War, it’s lack of style and characters, seemed to be acknowledged in vanguard. Love it or hate it, the art style of VG seem a 100x better than CW. And the introduction of the demons and more of the dark aether did help bring uniqueness into the game mode.
TL;DR: focusing on a good gameplay foundation and art style is what keeps people around
Saying Cold war is too easy is a fair criticism except for the implication that BO4 OR BO3 were really any harder in a high round perceptive anyway.
The easiest high round map EVER is either tag der toten (where you can get to basically whatever round you want in the spawn room) and Revelations (where the strat is basically sit in verruckt and cover two windows with the apothicon servant).
I personally think that some of the easter eggs should be as easy as cold war but I do think they need some that cater people who like origins for instance (I really enjoy Origins and the older more complex Easter eggs too but I do think there is a place for more story based easter eggs that are less complex in some maps).
The difference between bo4 and Cold War is you can run around in cw without camping with the wonder weapon and still have it be a cake walk.
With bo4, you have to manage your ammo, because there isn't easy ammo crates everywhere, you need to time your specialists correctly as they cost more kill to get back each time. Bo4's high rounds are not as easy as you think.
With bo3 it's also a complete joke in most open maps with pack because of the overpowered aats.
Just a matter of which map are you playing on.
@@CJSantaBo4 has stupid OP elixirs though for ammo that you can use along with other effects. (Reign Drops alone to be honest)
@omniversalnihilist The elixirs are a one use each per round, and are much more nerfed from their bo3 counterparts.
Also they cannot be kept forever with that terrible close application glitch from bo3 either.
im still playing black ops 2 thats sad its been 11 years now wtf
I found Outbreak enjoyable, It would be so much better if it wasn't so repetitious and cheap feeling as a half-assed side mode.
Outbreak is so repetitious... and round base zombies? what do you do diferent on round 10 and 20? let me guess....
The way I see it is there's not really anything new they can add to classic zombies so if they put out more of it then people will be complaining about it being "unoriginal". No matter who develops zombies in COD now will get criticism regardless of whether it's classic, open world objective based or time based. The COD fanbase is so split and fickle that there will be hate no matter what the developers do. Personally I'll wait until I've played it before forming an opinion.
Came from lex and staying for your brilliant commentary
Isnt outbreak from a mode from cold war itself, it was like a Warzone type mode in mp and i thought they used those assets for zombies. It might also be the opposite.
Outbreak was made using the location from the canceled Blackout 2 map that Treyarch was developing during the time of Warzone 1. They scrapped Blackout 2 and repurposed those assets to make the outbreak mode in cold war.
I don’t know about you, but my friends and I and a lot of people whose comments I’ve seen only wanted to buy CW for the zombies. A lot of people I’ve seen collectively agreed that the multiplayer look shitty but the zombies looked like it had potential. This was all before outbreak was announced. In conclusion, I think the only reason CW became successful, was because of round based zombies.
Came from Lex's video, I wanted to watch yours first, well, only yours xd
I'm in shock that this vid blew up and lex saw it. I'm so grateful right now lol 😅
i disagree about outbreak being bad. coming from black ops 2 it was great. but it played like a concept piece there was tons of potential but they abandoned it before it was finished. the world was empty and the zombies suddenly gained way to much speed(from 1 round to the next the speed would go from 1 to 2.5x and that was difficult(before they had the grapple gun). story had some depth but needed a lot of fleshing out like the rest of it. game mechanics were great but still needed polishing. the biggest problem was the servers and team management making impossible to find new friends and build a good community around it . i all ways played solo because it would keep kicking me after 15 minutes(ping of 15 to the other side of my country). it's enraging they killed it to make the mw3 zombies microtransaction dumpster fire.
@householdhacks the issue is it was half baked, on reused content and took time out of developing better maps to update it.
I just wish they could back to the usual formula since I hated outbreak just because it was boring I just wished they would have focused on a new map instead
2:08 BRO IS SPITTIN
I would play Bo4 but there are no players. Everytime i start it i am just in que for several minutes and close it again.
It's tragic 😥
This was never supposed to be round based. That's for their own next game.
I remember when every studio made their own zombies mode for their own games and didn't have treyarch do it for them. We got some very creative modes, like ww2 and iw zombies. But now they don't, all the studios have become so lazy at making content and new modes.
I’m right here with you I hate this bs I miss training zombies and surviving played mw3 zombies once hated it
Honestly, for me BO4 Zombies failed cuz they were changing things that we never asked like the perk system; that shit never need to be touched. Another thing is that with BO4 I was more lost than ever, the story didn't made to me a lot of sense, the DLCs maps were all re-skin or re-adapted MP maps. It was a hot mess. I cant rethink my opinion since I cant play BO4 zombies since im more than a party zombies player than a solo and no friends want to touch that again
With CW imo, yes it is a fairly more casual mode compared to others zombies, but I liked it because they changed some systems, without losing the core: the weapons system I loved it (although they fucked the mistery box to a point that is worthless); the perk system that we know is back, but you have the shot to earn all perks; the "skills" system was good, helping them fusion similar perks like tombstone/who's who, making wall weapons stronger overall and dont feel peashooters at round 30. Outbreak was a whole boring show tbf
Overall, I don't think that CW "killed zombies"; but more than "Vanguard Killed it"; since ACT wanted to kill the core by making it "more casual" and doing shit no-one ever asked
I'm honestly hoping Microsoft fixes this mess. I liked Cold War, however after reading a Reddit post about the cut map from Blackout 2, that shit pissed me off so much. I blame Activision for overworking Treyarch and making a mode THEY KNEW would draw in Warzone players. They don't care about the long time zombies fans at all they cater to MP players. Looking back tho, I'm starting to think BO4 zombies wasn't as bad as I thought it was (still hate BOTD and the perk system tho).
I have a video on some of the cool things you can do with the bo4 Perk System, you should check it out. Some of that stuff is pretty neat 👌 🙂
I cannot play zombies modes from BO4 onwards. Mainly its down to cluttered UIs and the tendency to lean on Boss Zombies. Then when I heard about Battle Royale Zombies then the Vanguard Zombies, I felt a bit hollow at how a mode I was fascinated with (even scared of when I first saw it) for years felt like a farce, a cash-grab and completely uninteresting.
Bo4 has so much content and care put into it its very much worth it.
I am a long standing zombies player World at War-Black Ops 4, and I got Cold War/Vanguard after the bulk of the lockdown had passed, and things were starting to open up. Vanguard itself was just ass. I play it now only to shit on the remaining player base or to entertain myself on Zombies. I am mixed on Cold War, though. While you have the "round based" maps that are arguable mixed on decent, excellent and ass. (yes I am going to use that 'dreaded term' because its how you describe the game being different than warzone remastered but zombies) you also have Outbreak. I personally played more of Outbreak at first because it was easier to get myself challenges and guns/camos etc done faster, and to get a feeling for how the game functioned after being off a video game console for almost 3 years.
After a while I switched over to the 'round based' ones and it made a lot more for a zombies experience. I also think the reason the term exists in the first place, to tell a large community if said Zombies mode is going to be dogshit or can go in the trophy case under WaW-Black Ops 3. (lot of cringe whining @ 7:00 - 7:25 )
I don't like Warzone DMZ. It's ass. I have on occasion gone back to play Outbreak just for the shits and to beat my longest time in-game.
As far as MW2.0/MW3.0 the whole game is set to go up in flames the moment the game is launched...or not. MW2 has been a roller coaster of a game in itself. MW3 is going to be one of two things ... a complete turn around or it's going to make Activision, Treyarch and SHG lose the remaining people who play CoD still.
The only think I want to be clear on is the Campaign. That much is fine. But obviously you cant sit and replay that 500 times for the year. It will depend on how dogshit they want to make multiplayer and zombies.
However, they could still ultimately shock us all and make great shit. Or, they can seal their coffins and make a terrible game.
Right now I've gone back to Battlefield 1, 4 and Five and even played Hardline for the first time to cleanse my hate for both games at the moment and return to a neutral state. 2042 is ass. MW2.0 is ass. Consider this my way to returning myself to an open mind for when MW3.0 comes out so I am not "pre-biased" to hate the game.
From what things sound like mw3 isn't looking too bad in terms of multi-player and campaign, and I'll still give the zombies mode a fair shot.
However, it's Treyarch's next game that needs to step up and be excellent. I'll always have black ops 4 to replay and if sonic can turn itself around and make Frontiers great, call of duty can do the same.
Here's hoping it gets good again 🙏🏻
I just wanna old cod zombies system, not a new one or re-desigh it
i beg people to share this video to noahj456 and all the other zombie youtubers, they need to react to this
I would love to see them react to it, too, but I don't want to come off as pushy or anything 😅
@@CJSanta tweet to them see what happens, noahj's a nice guy iv done buisness with him before
@@LuciferMorningstar-tx6ce would if I had a Twitter lol
ok let's be honest, i'm not 100% defending cold war, but it was released, and was being developed when covid struck, so they HAD to re-use assets, and the zombies was still fun, but i agree with you in the fact that they made it too simple, however vanguard, that had NO right being as bad as it was.
You can’t really say outbreak is repetitive without mentioning this entire mode itself, also the entire mode of zombies was reused assets, some original maps too but mainly reused assets as the game mode was developed last, just look at five 🥴
I love round based and it should always stay in zombies, but to call Outbreak repetitive when round based is literally just rounds endlessly is pretty funny. The whole point of COD zombies is repetition into growing your characters strength, which Outbreak does well, and on paper so does this MW3 zombies mode.
@@Ermac43 I mean that’s basically what I said, also to add on we shouldn’t expect round based in this game but in treyarchs next game since these “off years” give them time to experiment. It would be best to just see how this game plays and if it’s bad, they’ll note it and move on
@@k1tchN Yeah I know I’ve just seen so many of the same comments of people complaining about Outbreak’s “repetition” but not saying anything about the repetitive round based mode we’ve had for the last 14 years. I hope this mode is good and changes peoples mind about different zombies modes in the future.
@@Ermac43 yeah! People in this community gotta learn to move on and stop being stuck in 2012-15
@@Ermac43 I Still dont understand how people keeps calling outbreak repetitive...but Round base is the same mode over and over again,, at least outbreak it was a different experience, different objectives and also easter eggs in it, it was not perfect but was fun for a while
i like outbreak but if i was to choose between one of them It would be Round-Based ngl
I just recently bought a xbox one to try to get back into gaming since i havent played zombies since bo3 or grinded multiplayer since mw3. I bought cold war just for zombies since i heard it was the latest installment of "zombies" and boy was i disappointed. IT IS SO BORING! I mean extremely boring. Im glad they brought back the old cod servers, now i can go back to mw3 (the original!) And bo1 zombies but man cold war was a waste of money. Oh yeah and multiplayer on cold war is unplayable, everyone either has walls or aimbot.
Sad to see the state of cod right now. Not just zombies but multi-player too, bo2 and bo4 are my personal picks for favorite cods.
Treyarch is working on a new engine and are trying to innovate. Granted, VG:Z was terrible and had no real narrative. But again, it’s a new engine
It’s activision holding treyarch at gunpoint that’s ruining zombies** and the fact that a couple of the senior devs are gone
I agree, the term "Round based" is fucking annoying. Its just zombies not "Round based". When grief and turned were introduced nobody retroactively calling it something else until black ops cold war.
I also miss when other studios had there own take on the mode instead of just using treyarch to make the whole thing, taking development time away from their own game. IW is one of my favs and treyarch had little involvement with it.
On a different note Cold war is too easy, bland, repetitive, not replayable and boring. Im pretty sure it was gonna be a ww2 sequel but since treyarch was put in charge of it they had to essentially reskin everything, making it feel almost nothing like treyarch zombies.
Hope they start moving away from objectives and go back to making zombies and not warzone maps with zombies thrown in with 7 boring ass objectives (Outbreak).
I'm dying for a copy of bo3 zombies chronicles I've never played it pisses me off that I didn't spend my money to buy it instead of mw2
I do agree that Outbreak is lazy and gets pretty repetitive, and I try not to look at it as zombies because it isn't, it's a casual mode with zombies in it and a few objectives. It's not a masterpiece but it can be fun to run some outbreak with the boys and mess around, and then exfill on the 3rd round because it gets painfully boring really fast.
I cannot stress this enough, they are probably going to make mw3 zombies like DMZ, PvPvE only and it’s going to ruin zombies, I mean they can do PvPvE but for god sake make it a separate mode do you can play solo
I think they stated there will be no pvp only pve, so in a lobby of 24 players, expect Bullet sponge bosses that everyone has to shoot for 5 minutes.
It’s only PvE thankfully. That was my big worry aswell, but it’s 24 players against the rest of the zombies. They’ve listed most of the gameplay detail’s already if you haven’t checked it out, MrDalek does a good job covering everything.
i will give treyarch the benefit of the doubt because Cold war (While having a very mid story IMO) wasnt too bad for the first two maps. and both cold war and vanguard had huge development issues. So honestly next year is the last year ill ever look forward to cod, if treyarch cant prove they still got it when they are making their own full fledged title then i cant expect anything good ever coming in the future.
I've heard this before, and less development time doesn't always have to mean bad product.
There have been many instances in cods past where devs had less than optimal, and they managed to pull out a great game or map.
Ever since Modern Warfare 2019, it seems that all of the devs at Call of Duty have become increasingly lazy.
When single, lone modders can make amazing custom maps in bo3, there is no excuse for the 1000+ people at Treyarch and Activision.
Cod 2024 is make or break for zombies. Let's hope it's good 🙏🏻
@@CJSanta Understandable. I wont be buying the new COD after the garbage fest mw2 was, and how they lied about 2 years of support. Cold war was too easy, and vangaurd... im glad i never looked into it lol.
MW2 and MW3 are big evidence that COD will continue to resuse stuff from their warzone maps for other modes and its sad. I miss treyarchs amazing map design and atmosphere.
I can’t believe they are exhausting treyarch every single year for zombies…..at this point it makes me think that treyarchs only use is to develop zombies for other studios.
And I fully agree that RUclipsrs ruined bo4 zombies, imagen bo4 wasnt cancelled and got 12 maps😭
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Honestly I agree that the community in general (and activision) is what makes zombies terrible. We just gobble anything up without question like a hillbilly looking for a partner even if it's bad. Hell i can't find the fun in any zombies game really. It's all the same boring stay in one spot, spam wonder weapon./run around, spam wonder weapon. Schtick which gets very boring very quickly. Only time where im not bored is if im either doing a challenge, playing bo4 on hardcore or playing waw. Other than that's it's all a snoozefest. Especially bo3.
I find bo3 to be very overrated, it's either too frustrating or too easy because of the double pack abilities and gobble gums.
This time it wont be rushed tho.
I hope not, but I have my doubts.
12:19 This is true in all aspects. If you do it for passion and making money while at it its gonna be good. If you just chasing trend and a number to make money its gonna be bad and weak. Not just in games in anything.
People who work at Activision who never played a game in their life look at the statistics and they trying to replicate the success by statistics, its just funny how people who work at top level who has brains literally cant see this. Game development companies are super weird about this and destroyed many games and game dev companies chasing someone elses or their own success.
BTW Whats the ultimate zombie game to play right now? Bops3? Can I play solo?
Well bo3 has the most maps, but I personally think bo2 has much more diversity in its maps.
🤣🤣im a zombies fan that like both but ill be lying if i didn't tell the truth on the complete smugness oozing from this video and its sad and one of the reasons why the zombies community gets neglected the way it does because y'all always complaining then when you get zombies yall still complaining even when Modern warfare 3 version of zombies is different here yall go complaining about zombies and round base when that's coming out next year for the 100th time 🥴🤦🏿♂️. If its 🐶💩next year ill be right there complaining but dont be a smug Debbie downer on something thst haven't been released yet
I didn't intent to come off as smug whatsoever, I'm just passionate about zombies and want it to be good. My issue isn't just modern Warfare 3 zombies. The majority of this video is talking about cold war.
Cold war and outbreak stans are mad at you for speaking the truth. Shocker. People just cant accept that Outbreak isn't true zombies because they enjoy it. People miss the point that True zombies is just zombies (round-based). Period. I and over 70%+ play for that. Not that there's anything wrong with having other modes. Its fantastic for zombies! However, it should NEVER come at the expense of true zombies
i watched this video, and you my friend are the True voice of the zombie community, round if applause to you buddy, you spoke the truth!
This video is just the biggest gatekeeping post I have ever seen
It wasn't meant to be, I'm simply giving my opinion on cold war and the current state of the zombies mode. I'm passionate about the mode, and I want it to be better. 👍
He literally mentions how blundell catering to the hardcore fans and alienating the casuaual was one of, if not THE leading cause for zombies losing players,
This video is nothing but facts. I've completely given up on this mode's future. It's clear that it will never be as good as Black Ops 3 again. I'll keep playing Bo3 and Bo4 for the rest of my life.
To say that outbreak doesnt have fans or the only fans are the new players is flat out wrong. Ive been playing since bo1 and i really enjoy both round based and outbreak. Zombies does NOT need to be round based every time, it limits the opportunity Treyarch can provide
I think with the amount of variety from maps like Verruckt, Call of the Dead, Moon, Tranzit, Mob of The Dead, Buried, Zetsubou, Attack of the Radioactive Thing, The Shadowed Throne, IX, Ancient Evil. To say that round based "limits" anything, is something I disagree with.
What separated cod zombies from every other zombie game at the time of its release is its gameplay style. That's what defines it and gave it its identity.
@@CJSanta you’re not wrong, i believe those maps makes zombies unique, but i feel like theres only so much you can do with round base, like i genuinely think soe or ix is where the limit is (until proven otherwise) but to say that nothing but round base belongs just closes the door to something that might be amazing. Anyways im really excited about bo6 given the 4 year dev time, wbu?
@goodbagel325 I think the fact of how many unique, diverse and creative custom maps that have been made. Not just for bo3 but on world at War, proves that there's no limit to what can be done with the round based blueprint.
With Black ops 6, the fact that they're going out of their way to advertise 2 round based maps as some kind of big selling point is a massive red flag.
Black ops 1 launched with that, along with the 4 world at War maps when the hardened edition was bought.
Ever since cod has moved away from paid dlc to seasonal content, we've gotten less.
If we don't receive a new map EVERY season, I just want to know where those 4 years of dev time went into.
@@CJSanta thats fair, but im hoping it turns into a quality over quantity situation with the maps
Zombies was supposed to be round based if treyarch and Activision continue through the wrong path they will continue to lose their fans and player count there for killing their brand completely
im not joking I only played outbreak to do the cold war super EE and never touched it again
Even if they bring round based back more I will still never touch games like Cold War or anything else to come. Zombies has effectively become multiplayer v2 at this point and I could not hate it any more. As an OG zombies fan the ideas of weapons classes and scorestreaks plus a billion other things is beyond stupidity. Srry for the negativity but they completely lost me and I have zero faith moving forward
It's hard not to be negative when it feels like the soul of the zombies mode has been ripped out. At least we have the older games to always go back to.
Zombies isn’t really zombies anymore and it hurts 😭
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Every single second of this video is straight facts.