HOW TO GET CRUSHING ROCK BASS TONES! Tone Secrets #10
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- Опубликовано: 19 мар 2020
- Pete shows you how to achieve a killer rock bass tone- all "in the box"!
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So basically 3 tracks going into a single bus. 1 DI, one mid focus amp sim, and the last high focus amp sim with distortion. I can't wait to try this!
Edit: This has improved the sound of my recordings so much Pete. Thanks!
A Warwick is a good start, they all have that specific growl!
So do Ricks
@@TheAsdsdswww Ricks don’t have enough top end. But they’re ok too
I like Rick’s top end , especially with round wounds ., and if you use a pick .,, oh ya
Diggin the style of this video Pete. Hopefully there will be more with your tips and tricks on other stuff. Killer bass tone btw!
Thanks!
Pete, I really loved this video. As a guitarist who moonlights as a bass player (because there's just way more work available), this was super entertaining and informative. I wouldn't hate it if you made more bass vids. Thank you.
This was awesome! Don't have the Slate stuff, but will definitely try the 3 track setup. Baby steps! Great content as always, Pete.
Great mix tip. Enjoy your production based content as much as your traditional videos. Thanks.
This is great. Very helpful to see details of how you record/mix.
wow ! I knew that trick already but Pete your such a talented and good professor !!
What a great musician you are, we are lucky to have you around RUclips !
This is an awesome vid. I'll be trying out these techniques to get a better bass sound. Thanks. And very nice little palm trees too...
Thanks Pete!!I saw Warren Huart do the same thing but he applied low pass on the DI and High Pass on the amp so that the bottom end didn`t collide..Be well!!!
Great sound and tone, fun messing with the plugins. Thank you Pete for your tips and tricks.
So helpful - and timely. Thank you Pete.
Loved this video! Definitely going to try this in band lab.
This rules Pete! Thanks so much for putting this together. That Slate Mix Rack is calling my name.
*You’re the lord of tone! 🎶🏆 Thank you for this video!*
Great Bass tone Pete. One of my all time favourite songs is played with two bass guitars. The Cure - Primary from 1981. Nice flanger on it.
Totally! It was so moving then, as it is now..
Watching studio videos where they used the techniques you showed, but it never really clicked to me WHY they did them that way. Thanks Pete for helping my brain connect the dots lol
This was a great video, really good!
Really great video man. Thank you.
You’ve really helped me straighten out my drums & bass. They we’re getting lost on recordings.
I’m a bit older and used tape machines for a long time. Digital seems counter-intuitive at times.
Great info Pete. Thank you 🙏
If you're a newbie, trying to figure out how to get "that sound" you keep hearing at live shows... it's simply... ... new strings. That's the untold secret to getting that kickass modern rock bass sound.
You mean I shouldn't use a P bass with 10 year old Labella flats for modern rock? Lol jk 🤣
Awesome video Pete. Stay safe mate ❤️
It's very helpful, thank you!
Sounds awesome man
Thanks Pete! Your a great teacher!
This video is pure gold!!! Thanks Pete! Cheers from Colombia!
Thanks David!
Stuff like this makes me want a bass. It looks like a fun instrument to play, and is every bit as important to the sound of rock music as the guitar. You showed how to get some great sounds out of one here.
It is fun. It's also not fun at times. It's a much more physical instrument. Not including the fretboard, it's a good idea to throw everything you know about guitar out the window when you pick up a bass. Have fun with it
I could never mic up a bass amp in my apartment, so plug-ins have been my main bass tones. I will definitely have to give these techniques a try!
That GK adding the mids really makes all the difference.
Great video Pete! I've learned a lot about recording, but I still struggle to get bass tones I'm satisfied with. Also, how about that Soldano in the background!
Cool video!! Meg Doug once had a great smoke session with him what a truly amazing man!!
Hi Pete, I really like the nice pace you kept as you explained each step. Little things like letting us know you used a preset from the VST is helpful also. I've been just recording into the Brainworx SVT-VR as though it was my amp - need to branch out a little.
I love this video man. I also got a warwick streamer. They sound great, don't they. Your approach is the same way I do it. The cool thing about signal splitting with saturating highs, you don't have to use as bright of strings if you want a bit more comfort while playing.
My favourite overdrive for bass is the Tube Screamer. You can use it get a boosted Ampeg grind, to Billy Sheehan chain saw.
That sounds super powerful!
I want to start throwing bass amps into my OX box.. torn between the portaflex 20t, 50t and v4b reissue.. played a vintage v4 into a reactive load the other day and it was awesome.
Nasty tone, love it.
Awesome.
Great video! Love the tone! Any idea how I could emulate this in a patch on my line 6 helix LT with all three signals without getting phase issues between DI and and amp signals?
I play guitar...but for bass tone, Duff McKagan, DD Verni (Overkill) for kinda twangy sound; n for using drive I love Billy Sheehan and Cliff Burton tones ❤
Can't wait to try this, cheers Pete!
Is is where multi fx units shine. I do all the processing and splitting inside of Helix and then go into my interface. A really good bass does make the tone easier to get for sure.
Wow, I accidentally already do something very similar, I discovered it from trying to achieve that exact sound, and I thought I was cheating, didn't know it was a legit technique. The only big difference is instead of a D.I. track, I double the clean track and pan one left and one right to create a wider sound. Cheers!
just got here from the interview from mr Pinnick! bass all the way..
Great tone/Awesome video.
Thanks Pete
Got some great ideas from this video, thanks! Although I'm a bit confused why you're emphasizing not recording the effect- isn't that typical? Just turn the plugin off. Or is that a UA feature to be able to print the effect to the recorded track? If so, I can't imagine wanting to use it.
I am not even a bass player but I learned a lot just watching this video. Thanks
Thanks!
Great video Pete:)!!! I love big, clean/distorted bass tones!🤘🏻
I can't stop thinking about that Soldano head, it wound be great to see it in action in an "Amps in the zone" video or a comparison with other high gain amps (Suhr PTs and Friedman BE maybe...??)🤪
That's a beautiful bass guitar.
Good mix of it, nice and growly but also punchy. I'm jealous.
Do you ever experiment with chorus to "stereoize" the low end of your mix?
Growly and punchy describes Warwicks. I know, I have 5 of them.
Hi Pete! I use exactly the same same technique for recording bass (I am a guitarist). But instead of an amp sim - that for some reason I always hear as "muddy" in the mix - I use a (free) VST simulation of the SansAmp (BOD something...) that sounds more clear and dynamic even with distortion: what do you think about this last one? Did you ever tried it? If yes, do you think is a good option in place od the amp sim?
Great tips and tones. Also noticed the SLO on the shelf. Sweet amp. Hopefully we'll hear some of it in upcoming videos.
If you want these or similar tones, imho it is pretty crucial to have a Warwick or even better as Spector Bass. The source tone is so good, it almost doesn't even matter what you throw on that in the DAW later. In other word, if you have a weak nasal cheap Ibanez style tone, you can't make it sound that good.
Warwick = Spector. Pretty much the same tone as long as both have EMG electronics
@@Farewelltokingz no its not. Spector has a lot more low end
@@BigMuff75 That’s not true at all dude. All the sound is from pickups and preamp. Other than that it’s brand Biasing.
You should try Neural DSP Paralax plug in. The have all your needs in one plug in.
Could you upload your euphoria bass and guitar presets Pete ? This is helpful
What bass strings are you using. Bass sounds killer:)
I really don't get people who dislike a vídeo like this. They probably have very poor taste for tone, I guess. Tks for sharing!
Haters gonna hate!
Fantastic! I was literally just on the same Ampeg/Apollo setup last night with a 1073 on it.. monstrous! 🤘🏽
Q: Why wouldn’t you just enable Record mode in Console, if the amp tone is good to go... rather than just a DI track?
Because then I can’t print the DI track and have one track unaffected! There’s other ways to do this where I could just print the amps him but this is just the way that I found that is so easy. Just get a good workable tone for recording, then split it across three tracks and add the amp simulations on two of them and blend with the DI to taste, Really helps to do this in the mix as well because you can dial in the bass to meld with the guitar perfectly later!
Pete Thorn Major thanx for the tip!
I’m going to test the few tracks as demonstrated, but it logically makes sense... I’ve just done what I can to prevent losing the vibe or even worst, choosing amongst the overwhelming array of options with emulation, sims, etc.
How’d you dial in the tone
You're a legend. I prefer P-bass with absolutely no distortion and I also like to keep also high frequencies audible in the mix. I'm big fan of Steve Harris, Geezer Butler and Billy Sheehan...
I agree,, most of the time I like clean bass, there can be songs with some distortion mixed with that good clean tone.
Do you leave all three tracks or your bus as mono?
Lovely! For us home recording nerds, could I get a similar tone if I started with a guitar that's been pitch shifted an octave down? I always find there's _something_ missing in my tone when I try to emulate a bass with a pitch shifter. It doesn't sound as *thicc*.
Yeah it’s never quite the same! I laid down some bass on the recent looper video I did using that technique
I've been incorporating the busking thing into my bag and I've actually thought about getting an 8 string, but until then it might help to throw a bigger E and A string on the guitar, and they get even better when you tune them down-you can either transpose, or just tune the whole guitar down, it just makes it easier to play, and if you're solo you don't have to tune to anyone else so you can put it anywhere you want. I've been playing out with one of those Hotone ravo HP 10's (because it's battery powered, although that really doesn't make any difference because you can have a battery pack at any voltage really) I use the bass boost along with the acoustic sound from the drive settings, along with bass EQ with the mid backed down and the bass of course up, with the Acoustic360 in the Cabs for less definition and just a little boom. Then I add or subtract chorus for my pseudo Jaco tone. Sometimes I'll go with an mxr envelope filter
& blue box, with treble rolled back for a sort of phoney bass pedal sound. To my ears with most of the digital stuff & The Sim stuff, the less-is-more approach usually works, with pre output, fx, held back and then amplifier output kicked up. Then I do my tower of power Rocco Prestia thing and with the 16th notes you don't have enough time to tell!
Great video! Now I want a bass! Lol thanks Pete.
I really love playing bass- I'd like to do a tour on bass! It's a really fun departure from guitar
Pete Thorn you play it with so much assertiveness and feel, awesome man! Cheers
@@PeteThorn Totally.....best thing I did was buy a bass to track with, being a guitarist. Love tracking with it. Awesome content btw. Cheers from Australia :)
Here's a helpful tool for people recording or mixing bass: www.teachmeaudio.com/mixing/techniques/audio-spectrum/
This page has a graph showing the frequency ranges of various instruments: www.studybass.com/gear/bass-tone-and-eq/bass-frequency-range/
Stuff to consider: what people hear as boom and growl is mostly in the bass band: 60-250 Hz. Most stereo speakers can't reproduce sub-bass (the rumble, not the boom), so nobody is really hearing the fundamentals of the open B, E and A strings; they're hearing only the harmonics of those low notes. So if you want a bassline to be heard in a mix, you can't cut anything in the 60-500 Hz range (bass and low mid), because that's where most of the tonally identifiable information is. Cut any of that, and the range of guitar that sits in the same range as bass will overpower the mix and drown out the bass.
That's why most modern metal and hard rock mixes suck; most mixers these days focus on boosting sub-bass and cutting bass because they're misidentifying bass as midrange and sub-bass as bass. They think they're going to leave room for the guitar and put the bass in a notch that will distinguish it from the guitar, but it doesn't work because they're cutting the tonally identifiable information of the bass tracks. Back in the 80's, they left that stuff in; that's why you hear that warm bass hump on top of the mix in most glam metal songs and can identify the notes they're playing.
I would like to hear the clean and distortion sounds separately in the same song. Like a guitarist stepping on a pedal.
"I like to turn up the mids to cut right through!" says the guitarist playing bass. What's the other poor guitarist left to do? Lol. Great playing as usual.
I've seen a lot of professional bass players make the mistake of dialing in a very midscooped sound in a rock or metal setting and then suddenly they're completely lost in the mix. Listen to Billy Sheehan. His tone has TONS of mids. And it sounds great because you can always hear the notes he's playing
Okay but how do i get my bass to sound like this?! Damn
Too much work. I'll just turn the Big Muff up until all the clean goes away🤣
Sounds just like Mike Inez tone from the first notes.
Yep and he plays a bass like this- his tone is always killer, recorded and live
I’d like to summarize with the comment above.
I wonder if Warwick is still paying a licensing fee per unit after they ripped off Spector. I have played both but Spector is where it's at.
Amplitube Ampeg. That's all it takes.
. . . John Entwistle . . .
You can always tell when it’s a vst bass. At least as of now it will never replace a real track or be used in a production that is multi million download as a replacement to an authentic bass player. I’m not sure how to describe in words what makes them so fake sounding. It’s like the volume of the note and the actual reaction of the screen is so immediate and the notes never hold out right. They are either too short or too long. It sounds terrible when the next note is hit. They are incredibly stiff.
1:35 "incredible sustain & piano-like quality"
_(that is how i approach guitar method)_
Phewwww...not my thing.
Sounds like elephant farts...😆😆
Possible you just don’t realize how dirty the bass tone is on tracks by folks like Geezer Butler, Dug, soundgarden, RATM etc. Because generally the distortion just blends/melds with the guitar. Listen to the video I put up yesterday - for the euphoria plug-in. This is the bass tone from that song. Listen to how the distortion just melds into the track, and locks the bass with the guitars.
And of course - you have that Fader with only the distortion on it, you can just pull it down, The beauty of this approach is you can get a great clear tone and then grind it up just perfectly however much you want or don’t want
Pete Thorn yep. If I have space in the track, I will often slightly pan the dirt channel. Fun
Or... we came for guitar!!!
You're using a pick. That's ILLEGAL
Tell that to Eric Avery! Or Mike Anthony! Or Paul fucking McCartney! Or Roger waters! Or Phil Lynott! Or...
@@PeteThorn - lol. I know. It's an inside joke / Davie504 thing ( ruclips.net/video/XQetzL1kzg4/видео.html& )
@@PeteThorn Exactly!
Kind of a stupid joke.
Bass is for people that can’t play guitar.
...and vice-versa! DA 🤦🏽♂️
Lol Most of the best players I’ve played with are the best musician in the band
@@PeteThorn Yes when the bass and drums are solid it will make any guitarist sound decent(ME). LOL
Bass players are SOOO FREAKING EASY!!
Davie504 is not happy because you use picc
DON’T EVER BOTHER WITH A VST BASS IT WILL DESTROY ANY CHANCE OF YOUR RECORDING or ATTEMPT AT A CAREER FROM EVER GOING ANYWHERE ANYWHERE ANYWHERE *ECHO ECHO*
I know this is 4 years old… but damn that DAW seems like more pain.
Ableton… Live!!! for one: you can record DI and not have the Amp Sim burned in.